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*I am closing this without action at this time, given that I am the only admin that considers this actionable. Nonetheless, I will consider imposing a block or an indefinite topic ban, with or without any prior discussion, in the event of continued battleground-like conduct by Nishidani in this topic area. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 16:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
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72bikers
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Request concerning 72bikers
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- Slatersteven (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:55, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Undid a revert by Waleswatcher and reinstated a bizarre (and almost nonsense) edit that I undid here ] which was made despite objections to the exact wording he used. To be fair we have all been a bit lax over there with the DS, but this is blatant as it is not even well written (and indeed is not even factually accurate according to 72 bikers previous version). And not wholly supported by the sources (indeed as written a blatant misrepresentation of them). It is (in fact) (in my opinion) vandalism (for the purposes of trolling), and a 1RR breach to boot.
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Discussion concerning 72bikers
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Statement by 72bikers
- Slatersteven edit summary today.
- Dr Jones helped himself to compile his statement?
- There is no Dr jones in the article so not very clear what he was trying to say.
- Context
- Slatersteven claimed this source does not list all of the weapons used so OR using it.
- Slatersteven claimed this sources was about mass murder and not mass shootings so OR using it.
- The 3rd source used There are many more but I did not want to overburden the article with overkill, but can provide if needed.
- AR-15 Talk page comments yesterday.
- "Slatersteven the chart defines 4 weapons types semi-automatic handguns, rifles, revolvers, and shotguns. The same as the study." 72bikers
- "Slatersteven there are tools provided that also allow the ability to filter the chart for specific stats, as well a list and link for the sources of every shooting so there is no guessing nor OR" 72bikers
- "Whilst all AR-15's are semi-autos not all semi Autos are AR-15's hence trying to draw definite number form this sources is OR." Slatersteven
- To further support the statistics, "Here is a list of mass shootings in the U.S. that featured AR-15-style rifles during the last 35 years, courtesy of the Stanford Geospatial Center and Stanford Libraries and USA TODAY research". From 1984 to 2018 in the last 35 years only 14 mass shootings used a AR-15."
- But as you point out "Whilst all AR-15's are semi-autos not all semi Autos are AR-15's" I will address your concern to resolve this issue. -72bikers
- Article edits
- Slatersteven's edit today with his edit summery "Dr Jones helped himself to compile his statement?" I honestly I am not sure what he is saying.
- Waleswatcher's right after removing Slatersteven's edit and blanking all of this content with a edit summery "You cannot start a sentence with "Though", and the information here is mostly redundant with the first phrase of this section (and already very well cited). Furthermore)"
- It is not entirely clear what he is referring to, but if I had to guess "While most gun killings in the United States are with handguns" But this has nothing to do with the content removed it is about gun killings in general and not about mass shooting content and RS removed.
- Todays article talk page (Slatersteven "Why was not just providing his direct quote not doing this?" today on the article talk page. )
- My edit after Waleswatcher restoring the content he blanked and addressing Slatersteven concern raised and WW "You cannot start a sentence with "Though".
- Waleswatcher recently has blanked content and not discussed it on the talk page as seen toady. , -72bikers (talk) 18:23, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by (slatersteven)
I said at the ANI I was unsure what to do. I have no idea where to find the remedies, Also I included the discretionary sanctions awareness information , they are aware DS is in place. So I am not sure what you are asking for.Slatersteven (talk) 16:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Fine close it, I really cannot figure out how to report the user, and so an edit that is blatant trolling stands. I will not post here anymore as it is pointless.Slatersteven (talk) 16:28, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
OK how does it misrepresent the sources
1. (also a mild BLP violation (assuming the edit means what I think it means)) the study was by Fox and DeLateur (not just by Prof Fox), in addition the study has no links to the mother Jones source (as the edit seems to imply).
2. the Mother Jones source is just a list of incidents it contains no mention of "very common misconception that AR-15's or similar rifles were preferred". Nor does Prof Jones say anything in it
3. One of sources for the phrase "Rifles have been used 25 percent of time in mass shootings, semi-auto handguns almost half of the time." does not say that, it says military style semi auto rifles (in fact it does not say 25 percent of the time, it is also out of date which is another issue altogether). neither of the other two sources for that claim say it.
But as I said it is so badly written it is hard to follow exactly what is being said about what, hence why I say it is troling.Slatersteven (talk) 16:49, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Note the edit has now been reverted by another edd precisely because ] "RV an illegible edit", it was a nonsense edit designed to make a point. So maybe it should have been battleground conduct I reported them for.Slatersteven (talk) 17:24, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Now I admit (as I did from the start) that many of us breached DS, and I had not reported any of that. It was the trolling nature of this breach of DS I felt actionable, not the 1RR breach. I cannot even fathom the mentality behind it other then being a deliberate slap in the face to any ed who has disagreed with him. It was a willful act of childish vandalism, that is what I find unforgivable, and why I have raised it here.Slatersteven (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
This represents the problem, not one issue. No where do I say that I have final say. There is no attempt to justify or explain the edit he made, just (what is in effect) a strawman. As I said this is not about 1RR but a general tone of PA's, poor editing and general disrespect to anyone who does not share his POV.Slatersteven (talk) 08:15, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Waleswatcher
72bikers has just violated the 3RR rule at Mass shootings in the United States. Diffs: Diffs of the user's reverts:
Edit warring seems to be an ongoing pattern, and what's worse is a continuing refusal to accept the norms of wikipedia editing. 72bikers continually makes edits that are ungrammatical, poorly formatted, riddled with errors, and simply confusing to the reader. When challenged, they post walls of text , aggressively berate other editors , and generally display battleground behavior. They have forbidden other editors from posting on their talk page , which creates a situation where their behavior can only be discussed on talk pages (where it doesn't really belong) or on noticeboards like this one. Personally, I think a topic ban is due. Waleswatcher (talk) 00:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
@Springee: Here and here and again here, after I post on something you immediately follow up and try to claim I'm the problem. This looks like WP:HOUNDing. Please stop. Waleswatcher (talk) 03:07, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Springee
I want to point out that Waleswatcher isn't exactly an innocent party in this case. I'm sorry to see that 72biker violated the 3RR rule but WW's own editing on this and the related AR-15 article has been disruptive and counter to consensus building. 72biker was likely, and rightly, frustrated that WW would come in, make edits or reversions without regard for talk page discussion then only days later decide to join the discussion. 72biker needed the warning but part of this is due to the poor editing behavior of WW. WW has been recently reported for disruptive editing by myself and at least one other editor. They come here without clean hands. Springee (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Simonm223
These topics are heated ones and I've tried to be patient with all participants since becoming involved, out of sympathy for that. I got involved with these pages mostly out of concern for the quality of edits that 72bikers had been inserting. I may have been harsh in my criticism, but I am of the opinion that Misplaced Pages is at its best when major edits are work-shopped at talk before going live and 72bikers does not participate readily in that process, often throwing out tangentially related text-walls or mass-revising their previous comments that have already been responded to, all while failing to provide any constructive response to proposed changes. I will note that my concerns are not primarily a content dispute. I don't agree with Springee on a lot of WP:NPOV and WP:DUE issues on these articles, but they are very willing to discuss at talk and build consensus when disagreement occurs, and as a result we've been able to make progress toward improving the articles. Disagreement on Misplaced Pages is fine. But disruptive behaviour is not. And with 72bikers' tendency to make unreasonable demands of other editors, their generally weak grasp of grammar and syntax, their haphazard use of talk page and their tendency to ignore anything they don't want to hear, I really think they're a prime example of an editor whose competence is questionable. This is an editor who said that the page about mass shootings was, "not a gun article," in an edit summary in which they removed a contentious source that was under discussion at talk. In short, I'd suggest a topic ban for firearms related articles, widely construed, would be appropriate at a minimum. Simonm223 (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Galobtter
Isn't the edit a violation of consensus required before restoration restriction? insertion by 72biker, reversion, reinsertion by 72biker. Slatersteven I think the remedy you're looking for is the DS remedy under-which these page specific restrictions are done. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:31, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Slatersteven, if you can explain how the edit is a clear misrepresentation of sources that can also be something that could get a topic ban, especially/if there is a pattern of doing so. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Result concerning 72bikers
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
- Not actionable as submitted. The request links to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gun control#Neutral point of view, which is not a remedy. Only remedies are enforceable. The discretionary sanctions awareness information is also missing. Sandstein 16:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Sandstein. We can't really figure out if an edit adheres to NPOV or not anyway. You'll need to get consensus for inclusion/exclusion of the material on the article talk page. --regentspark (comment) 16:23, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- User was notified of the gun control DS under WP:ARBGC in March. EdJohnston (talk) 16:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- There is a WP:1RR restriction with a 'consensus required' clause visible at the head of Talk:AR-15 style rifle. Perhaps that is what User:Slatersteven is asking for enforcement of. But strict application of the 1RR might fall on the heads of a number of people who have edited in the last three days. As the filer states above, "To be fair we have all been a bit lax over there with the DS.." EdJohnston (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- As Ed says, the 1RR restriction seems to be ignored on that page, and not only by 72bikers. In lieu of blocks at this point, maybe best to close with a reminder of the 1RR restriction, and warnings to those who have violated it (which, at a glance, would appear to include both 72bikers and Slatersteven). MastCell 19:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, that seems fair. Lord I wish 72bikers would be more careful in their edits and more organized in their thoughts and comments. Their heart is in the right place, I know that, but they are going to have to watch it, and think twice before clicking "Publish changes", because next time--if there is one, on this board or somewhere else--they might not meet so much mercy. (As for Slatersteven, I AGF their work too, and while they are more organized than 72bikers, policy-wise, this very report here proves they also need to be more sharper.) Drmies (talk) 02:54, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- As Ed says, the 1RR restriction seems to be ignored on that page, and not only by 72bikers. In lieu of blocks at this point, maybe best to close with a reminder of the 1RR restriction, and warnings to those who have violated it (which, at a glance, would appear to include both 72bikers and Slatersteven). MastCell 19:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Note: The 1RR restriction — if any? — on the article is kind of moot, as I have just blocked 72 bikers for 3RR violation, per Waleswatcher's report at the 3RR board (permanent link). 72
actually made fivemade four reverts in 24 hours. Bishonen | talk 02:04, 28 August 2018 (UTC).
Volunteer Marek
No violation. Regards SoWhy 11:44, 24 August 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Volunteer Marek
Just to clarify a few things: First of all, I've no "battle" with Marek and I'm not concerned with what he does or where he does it. I've come upon this by chance, and was simply alerted by him following and editing pages he's not supposed to touch at all. It's not a frivolous complaint and it's not "battleground mentality", but if you think there's no "meat" to it then I'll retract it. As for the edits themselves: From my understanding topic bans are "broadly construed" by default: That's my understanding of the policy. If you disagree then I'll retract and file an RfC for clarification. François Robere (talk) 19:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Volunteer MarekStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Volunteer MarekOh. My. Freaking. God.
This is an utterly ridiculous and malicious request, and Francois Robere deserves at least a topic ban of his own for bringing this nonsense here.Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Yeah, I guess the Baptism of Poland in 966 AD was one of the factors that *eventually* led to WW2, so it falls under "broadly construed". Gimme a break. This is frivolous and vindictive.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:24, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by Simonm223I had a look at the diffs provided and Volunteer Marek's assertions seem largely correct. The only one that might require additional validation is this one and only then in as far as to confirm that it was a legit revert of a topic-banned sockpuppet, which should be easy for any admins watching these pages to confirm. However I didn't see any indication of "broadly construed" in the TBan documentation, and all other provided diffs have to do with events that happened either long before or long after the specified time period. Simonm223 (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by AccesscrawlNo one should be sanctioned for reverting socks, but WP:BANEX is not currently clear about it. It only makes exceptions towards BLP violation and vandalism. I think reverting copyright violation should also fall under BANEX. This should be proposed on policy page I guess. Accesscrawl (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by JFGFrivolous report. All reported edits are either outside the topic ban scope, or exempt per WP:BANEX. — JFG 17:48, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by Beyond My Ken=Françoise Robere should probably receive the AE equivalent of a trout for this report. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:28, 24 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Volunteer Marek
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Thomas.W
No violation. Drmies (talk) 03:03, 25 August 2018 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Thomas.W
I found the page because I follow notification boards and saw a previous dispute where it was mentioned. I was galled by the fractured grammar, and didn't believe it had any place in a high-traffic article. So I challenged the edit. Subsequently I was accused of it being vandalism or test activity. A claim which is somewhat laughable. Additional comment I will note that I called the comment "illegible" in the edit summary because I thought "illiterate" would have been too harsh. The point is, the grammar in that edit was not of good enough quality to be on the encyclopedia anywhere. I should note the recent addition to this case by @Springee: is a bit of a stretch; there's pretty strong consensus on talk right now that that text should go; and we are in the process of rewriting it. @Waleswatcher: simply did us all the favour of putting the original text away until such time as we finish a new version. Their actions are reflective of the consensus emerging at talk. Simonm223 (talk) 17:23, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Thomas.WStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Thomas.WAs is often the case on articles about contentious subjects not much of the text above is true. What I reverted, after having seen the edit in my watchlist, was a drive-by removal of a big chunk (1,865K) of sourced text, by an editor who, to my knowledge, has never edited the article before, with a misleading edit summary ("RV an illegible edit"; bad handwriting can be illegible, and old and worn signs also often are illegible, but none of the text on AR-15 style rifle is...). My revert, with the edit summary "Rv wholesale removal of content, with a misleading edit summary", was then followed by me posting a user warning for unexplained removal of content on the user's talk page, and a discretionary sanctions alert for articles relating to gun control, since the user hadn't received a DS-alert for that area before. To be treated as a legitimate challenge of the material the edit summary should have clearly explained what was being done, and why, because it's not up to other editors to guess what the intentions of the editor removing the material were, so claiming that I violated discretionary sanctions is in my opinion laughable. - Tom | Thomas.W 10:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by WaleswatcherThis is (at least) the second time Thomas.W has violated that specific sanction on that specific page: see here. I asked them to self-revert then too, and just like now they angrily refused. I attempted to report them to the ANI at the time, but apparently that's the wrong venue. Before I could figure out the right procedure I was traveling with poor internet and couldn't take it further. In the end a case was opened here against me, with this conclusion: This situation is identical - Thomas.W again reinstated an edit that had been challenged by reversion. That looks to me like a crystal clear violation of the sanction.
Statement by (Springee)I don't have much to say on this other than Waleswatcher has been doing some drive by edits on the topic. Rather than actually engage in discussion WW creates a hostile editing atmosphere by entering the topic area, making sweeping edits then only engaging in talk page discussion after people complain. WW doesn't come here with clean hands and has generally hurt civil editing of the article. Why do I mention WW's behavior in this context? Thomas.W's edits are responses in part to the disruption caused by WW. I agree that the removed material does need to be cleaned up but the originator of this ARE should have worked to clean up the material rather than delete with no talk page comment (there was an active talk page discussion regarding the material). I certainly can understand the desire to revert a wholesale deletion with limited comment and no talk page discussion. I would suggest the actual solution to this issue is use the talk page to clean up the material then add it to the article. Springee (talk) 03:57, 24 August 2018 (UTC) Followup comment. Waleswatcher seems to be intent on edit warring on the article in question. Here the editor is needlessly removing the text in question (again) while there is an active discussion on how to redo the content. ]. Again, this is editing behavior that should be avoided given the disputed nature of the subject. Springee (talk) 17:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by BishonenI'm commenting in this section, not because I consider myself involved in the gun control area, but because I'm on friendly terms with Thomas.W and thus potentially biased in his favour. I agree that the removed material which Thomas.W restored wasn't illegible nor incomprehensible, but merely poorly written. It should have been cleaned up rather than removed, and I agree with Tom that removing it as "illegible" wasn't a legitimate challenge. Nor, however, would I have called Simonm223's removal "vandalism", as Tom implicitly did. I don't believe anybody has violated DS in this instance. None of the editors involved here have a very pleasant tone on Talk:AR-15 style rifle, but then that unfortunately tends to happen on that talkpage. Bishonen | talk 14:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC). Statement by (slatersteven)This is related to my complaint above (and in fact is about the same material). I am not sure Thomas.W violated the DS. I get that they reinserted material that is very poorly written (to the point of being misleading) I cannot see an DS violation. But I do feel that is attitude "drive by", "test edit/blanking/vandalism" is problematic. The edit whilst it may not be (strictly speaking) "illegible" (you can read the words) it is a jumble that makes it hard to follow, thus the edit by Simonm223 was clearly made in good faith.Slatersteven (talk) 10:30, 24 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by IvanvectorI'm commenting up here because I'm familiar with both editors, and what I see here is simply two strong personalities clashing with each other. I don't think it's really any more than that. 72bikers added an edit with atrocious grammar ("illegible" was not an inapt description, I can't follow what they were trying to say or how the references could possibly have supported whatever argument they were making), Simonm223 reverted with an explanation which ought to have been reasonably clear in that case. There was some discussion afterwards about whether "illegible" was the best choice of word, or whether "illiterate" or "unintelligible" were more appropriate, but Thomas.W is intelligent enough to have understood the meaning. In any case, challenging an edit by reversion is widely accepted practice. Thomas.W restoring it because he assumed it was a "test edit/blanking/vandalism" (his words), with all its poor grammar, seems to be a failure of WP:AGF, and somewhat pointy considering he has not participated in the subsequent discussion at all. Maybe he overstepped the "do not restore content challenged by reversion" condition of the discretionary sanctions, but I see no value to a sanction here. There's already a discussion about it moving along well on the talk page, so it seems like the best thing to do here would be to just move on. Ivanvector (/Edits) 17:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by K.e.coffmanThomas.W's comment --
"Take your pick" suggests to me that any of the options, including "vandalism", was indeed a valid choice in the situation. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by 72bikersI feel perhaps this could have all been avoided if some admin would have spoke up an curtailed the incivility posted above by slatersteven with Discussion concerning 72bikers. I to believe I should share blame for having started the ball rolling. Here is what I believed happened. Slatersteven changed this article (placed in the article on the 21st) content (I would point out up to this time no reference of unintelligible) yesterday and left this summery "Dr Jones helped himself to compile his statement?" which made no sense, there was no Dr jones and appeared to have nothing to do with his changes. I posted on the talk page "I can not understand your broken English", perhaps in retrospect I should have used other wording, but in my defense he has very commonly misspelled words and jumbled words in sentences. I can not be sure but I was contemplating perhaps he had a child and they shared the account. I believe this severely offended him, because after that, mentions of others intelligence and the post above with derogatory accusations of others intelligence. Slatersteven "a bizarre (and almost nonsense) edit", "It is (in fact) (in my opinion) vandalism (for the purposes of trolling)", "And not wholly supported by the sources (indeed as written a blatant misrepresentation of them This is false", "so badly written it is hard to follow exactly what is being said about what, hence why I say it is troling.","I cannot even fathom the mentality behind it other then being a deliberate slap in the face to any ed who has disagreed with him. It was a willful act of childish vandalism, that is what I find unforgivable, poor editing and general disrespect" Simonm223 has never edited the AR-15 article before. I would point out Slatersteven comment "It is (in fact) (in my opinion) vandalism (for the purposes of trolling)" would more accurately reflect Simonm223 and his actions. He was posting here though when all this went on yesterday above. I believe he saw statersteven comments picked up the incivility ball and brought it back to the AR article, with edit summery "an illegible edit". This was clearly not justified and way over the top, poorly written ok but cleary not to the degree justifying that kind of hostile uncivil personal attack. Then more on the talk page with his first post right out the gate to Tom "I removed it because it was literal nonsense" his next "I saw mention elsewhere on Misplaced Pages to that paragraph and it's complete nonsense" Clearly not the tone of civility for he saw the hostility posted by slatersteven as I mentioned "picked up the incivility ball and brought it to the AR article. " More insults "It was illiterate" (I would point out he used the wrong word for his insult) How is any of this justified and clearly not a justified reason to simple blank RS on topic content. Wiki policy is to fix content as opposed to just throwing it out. Especially since it was well-sourced. A study by Dr. Fox a professor of criminology and statistics assembled by Mother Jones from 1982-2018 on mass shootings show the weapon of choice overwhelmingly is semi-auto handguns and a very common misconception that AR-15's or similar rifles were preferred. Reworded needed yes, illegible clearly no. This placed between, statistics assembled by (with some help from Fox in the past) by Mother Jones. Clearly just stating professor Fox helped the Mother Jones publication compile the data. Reworded sure, illegible clearly no. (Professor Fox saying "most mass murderers don't use assault weapons".) This was placed at slaterstevens request. This certainly looks out of place, but illegible clearly no. AR-15's specifically in the last 35 years have only been used in 14 (This was a error actually 13) mass shootings. Error needing fix yes, illegible clearly no. Rifles have been used 25 percent of time in mass shootings, semi-auto handguns almost half of the time. Rifles used a quarter of the time, handguns half or 50% of the time. How is this illegible? I do not see how any of this was justification of the tone or general disrespect that was suffered. I believe he appeared more like a vandal than any other editor who was not just a ip at this article. -72bikers (talk) 02:39, 25 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Thomas.W
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Nishidani
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- Debresser (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 00:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
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- Nishidani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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- A highly uncivil edit, with personal attacks, a bad faith accusation, unbecoming language and general unpleasant and intimidating phrases and tone. Completely unprovoked by anything but the fact that I undid his edit, and disproportionate. All of that in an area which is sensitive enough without editors sowing animosity, especially if those editors have been specifically warned not to do that (see most specifically Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive200#Nishidani).
- Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
- Nishidani has been a regular guest here from early stages onwards, with topic bans, blocks, and warnings like the one cited above from archive 200, and even a few self-imposed periods of penitence which failed to last long.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
I haven't seen Nishidani around in a while, but he unfortunately has not mended his bad ways. His inflammatory and insulting language, consciously or not intended to intimidate his opponents, is unacceptable on this project, and especially in the IP-conflict area.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
I tried to reason with him on his talkpage, but he only digs himself in deeper, so instead of arguing or getting angry, I decided to just bring it here and let the community decide if that was an appropriate edit. I so informed him. Debresser (talk) 00:37, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
@Beyond My Ken Since I have conceded the point in the discussion, this report is clearly not for the purpose of gaining the upper hand in the discussion, and it is a shame you should put forward such a bad faith accusation. As you can see on Nishidani's talkpage, I consider this a behavioral issue, and as such it falls within this forum's discretionary sanctions, and I ask the community to give its opinion regarding Nishidani's behavior in view of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA as stressed in WP:ARBPIA. Debresser (talk) 08:40, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
@Black kite Your accusation that this post is to "remove an opposing editor" is a bad faith assumption, and as such is not appreciated. I have interacted fruitfully with Nishidani over the years, but his tone is intended to intimidate and makes working in the already loaded ARPBIA area unnecessarily harder and he has been warned for that several times already. Almost all his comments turn any issue into a battleground, and it is time the community puts a stop to that. Debresser (talk) 17:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
@Black kite If any statement an editor happens to disagree with is called "moronic", "stupid", "backwards" etc. etc., year after year and on article after article, then it becomes evident that these are personal attacks on any and all opponents for the purpose of gaining the upper hand in argument, just that they are veiled as though they are addressing the content, but really they aren't. Especially since all those comments contain additional references to the editor (in this case me) like "you have a POV", "you don't check sources", "you don't know English" etc. etc. I can not but agree with Sandstein, that Nishidani's edits are intended to manipulate discussions, and that in a most unpleasant and disruptive way. See the comments of Jonney2000, Icewitz and E.M.Gregory, who also feel the same way. Debresser (talk) 18:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
@Calton I think everybody here is well acquainted with the concept of "unclean hands". However, in the case I have reported here, my hands are completely clean. Please do not try to obfuscate the issue. The issue is not my behavior, rather Nishidani's. Who is not willing to mend his ways, and continues to disrupt discussions with his unpleasant and unrelated putting down of his fellow editors. How would you like it if every edit of yours (not you yourself, God forbid, just every second edit you make) is called "stupid", "obviously made without looking at the sources" or "based on your lack of understanding of English (we all know that Berkeley graduates don't speak English all that well, now do they)"? Debresser (talk) 18:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@RolandR My original complain was very short. Later replies to other editor's comments (like this one), don't count towards the word limit. Debresser (talk) 23:23, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Nishidani
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Statement by Nishidani
I set about
- 18:31, 22 August 2018 removing to talk what looks like a classic case (contrafactual per Klein 2014) of WP:OR/WP:SYNTH
- 18:33, 22 August 2018 I explain the problem on the talk page. I construed what the English means, and note the two sources used fail verification
- Debresser 21:49, 22 August 2018 justifies its retention saying I‘ misunderstood the intention of the phrase,'
- 21:53, 22 August 2018 1. Undo addition of specific description before the general description. 2. Undo removal of statement which is currently being discussed on talkpage
- Note that, despite the fact I questioned the sentence’s reliability, and opened a talk page discussion, Debresser restored it but did not add the requisite tag. For him, the garbled, piece of WP:SYNTH was hunky dory, and didn’t require further justification.
- Some hours later he then 00:08, 24 August 2018 on the talk pages backtracked and effectively admits my judgement was correct. For in the meantime he checked the sources.
- Having undone my edit, and having rebuffed my talk page reasons for removing the sentence, and taking as offensive my suggestion he hadn’t read the sources, he not only admitted I was correct, that the sources do not give warrant for the phrasing, and that he does not, as earlier, object to its removal. but after acknowledging the facts, 23 minutes later ((00:31, 24 August 2018)), he hauls me before AE saying I haven’t mended my bad ways, intimidate people, and am therefore to be judged an ’unacceptable’ presence’ on this project.
Meaning? Debresser will revert me on an I/P issue (I added content to two pages on August 22, and in both cases Debresser removed it. I.e. also at Jerusalem here). He will contest my reasoning, threaten me repeatedly on my page (, ,), admit I am correct, and then ask that I be sanctioned for my behaviour. The only intelligible sense to this erratic attritional time-wasting havoc is, 'I will cause you problems, even if you are right, because, when you edit, you require my consent here on the talk page.’ It's not the first time Debresser has indulged himself in this kind of of weird shenanigans. In reverting on different pages my two contributions, on the same day, he was patently trying to disrupt my work here. WP:Boomerang per WP:Harass.Nishidani (talk) 08:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Comments in excess of 500 words again removed as an admin action. @Nishidani: you may be blocked you if you continue to make comments that exceed the word limit. Sandstein 14:36, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- .Sorry about that. I thought vaguely that the 500 word rule referred to each single response. I made a calculation and see that even the text you left breaks the rule and that you had been indulgent in not excising, as would be appropriate, the excess wordage. So, as a matter of rule compliancy I've elided to come under the limit. Unfortunately, the part where I contested your readings was removed. I resolutely deny, for the record, that a generalization about bad editing using a plural can be construed as a personal aspersion. (494 words) Nishidani (talk) 16:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Icewhiz. I can't reply per above. But admins should compare my remarks with all remarks in that thread. It is not opinionable that the Balfour Declaration was marginal to the creation of Israel. That is the informed historical 100% consensus.(39 words:494+39=533, apologies) Nishidani (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Beyond My Ken
There is no misbehavior in Nishidani's response which rises to the level of justifying Debresser opening this AE request. It appears to me that it's an attempt to use AE for BATTLEGROUND purposes, to win a content dispute, and is therefore a frivolous misuse of AE.
I believe both of these editors have appeared on this page numerous times, and I have no clear memory (because of the number of appearances) of whom I've agreed with and disagreed with in the past. Being therefore essentially neutral, I've edited the article in question and placed my justifying comment on the talk page, but that edit is not connected with the opinion above; i.e. I've got no dog in this fight. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:26, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Vanamonde
Posting here, as I was once involved in an argument of sorts with Nishidani. Nishidani's behavior is not ideal: phrases such as "This moronic statement was reinserted by Debresser" should be avoided, and it's not good form to say something like "I'm a native speaker therefor I speak English better than you" (aside from personalizing something, it's also faulty reasoning: many non-native speakers I know have a far superior command of English than many native speakers I know). But this is far from the level of incivility necessary to trigger an arbitration enforcement sanction, and I see no reason to take action here. Vanamonde (talk) 10:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Nishidani:, by pointing out at great length your background in the subject, you're missing my point, which is simply that you need to moderate your language. It is possible to be both correct and rude; and it is possible to be unpleasant without violating policy. Food for thought. Vanamonde (talk) 04:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Calton
- User:Sandstein: Nishidani has a record going back to 2007 of blocks and warnings for overly aggressive conduct in the ARBPIA topic area.
- User:Sandstein: According to the AE log, the user has already had two one-month topic bans.
- According to the AE log, Debresser has racked up four topic topics of varying lengths, along with a couple of blocks for violations. Perhaps your research should have included that.
- User:Sandstein: ...in violation of WP:ASPERSIONS
- In light of Debresser's track record, I'd call that "fact-based opinion". --Calton | Talk 18:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Apparently the metaphor of "unclean hands" is unfamiliar to User:Sandstein. Or the actual definition of the word "aspersions". Has he considered doing any research on those? --Calton | Talk 06:47, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Zero0000
As a genius who sometimes writes moronic text, I know very well the difference between my text being called moronic and myself being called moronic. In fact the difference is exactly that which separates criticism of edits (allowed) and criticism of persons (not allowed). Nishidani has my blessing to use insulting words about my text if he notices any words of mine that deserve insult.
Another thing. People who are engaged in disputes in ARBPIA often come here in the hope that they can rid of a pesky editing opponent. Unfortunately the filtering system is very imperfect and on the margin between obviously valid cases and dubious cases there are many which could go either way depending on which administrators are around and how they are feeling today. So this is a type of roulette that can be won by playing often enough. I don't understand why administrators assume that reports are made in good faith for the love of the encyclopedia when, as in this case, they obviously are not. Zero 01:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
To editor Sandstein: On this forum it is permitted to call someone a POV warrior and challenge their motivations, provided evidence is brought. If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or in the appropriate forums. (my emphasis) Well, this is an appropriate forum, so your claim that Nishidani violated ASPERSIONS by writing such things here, with evidence, is just plain wrong. But, in any case, you didn't even read him correctly since he didn't direct those comments at an individual but rather made a generalization about the area that anyone familiar with it would recognise. Exactly as he wrote in a reply you deleted. Zero 16:10, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
To editor Debresser: "Later replies to other editor's comments (like this one), don't count towards the word limit." You are not correct, please read the restriction again. Personally I think that the accused editor should have more space than others, in line with natural justice. I also think that administrators who invoke the limit to delete refutations of themselves are behaving improperly. Zero 07:50, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Jonney2000
Nishidani is basically a good editor. I do not enjoy interacting with him because he is very aggressive. Over the years I feel that repeatedly it has been implied that I am a racist Zionist or just stupid.
The other issue is that I have a hard time understanding him on talk pages in that he uses overly long and overly sophisticated text sometimes mixed with broken English.
I do not want to see him punished, I just find it annoying.Jonney2000 (talk) 06:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Icewhiz
It would be nice if statements such as:
- 15:40 23 August
Do you understand what you imply in stating 'most historical texts'? You are saying you have thoroughly mastered the literature. Nonsense, and in any case .... So stop the bullshit. It's tediously jejune in its nescience.
- 13:34 22 August
writing the 'Balfour declaration was hardly the most central element' etc. is historically illiterate. Not only .... The rest of the obiter dictum is equally and ridiculously uninformed. Idiosyncratic evaluations of history have no placer here and shouldn't interfere with consensus making.
Would avoid claims on other editors (e.g. the extent of their reading on a subject).Icewhiz (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by Huldra
As for Debresser not wanting to "remove an opposing editor", just some info: a year ago I brought Debresser here, to AE, as he had called Nishidani and myself for "anti-Jewish", ie racist, and that is not a label I will accept.
Now, the interesting thing is that Debresser at once blamed .....Nishidani(!) for the fact that I reported him! See User_talk:Debresser#AE...even though Nishidani had asked me to "sleep on these things overnight and reconsider". (Hmmm, are we living in a Saudi world, where every female must have a male guardian who is responsible for her??)
Sigh, and we all do moronic edits at times....I once stupidly misread BCE for CE...(and therefor placed a whole paragraph under the "Roman era" heading). Debresser at once reported me to AN/I...before I could explain, or undo my stupidity. I would actually have preferred that he had called my edit moronic (it was) on the talk page ...instead of wasting everybody's time on AN/I..Huldra (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by E.M.Gregory
Encounters with Nishidani, often at AfDs on I/P articles, are marked by his aggressive, dismissive attitude towards fellow editors:
- "it is incompetent trash, as one has come to expect from the editor's work in this area"
- "I suggest you actually read the article"
- "Delete obviously. Apart from the ongoing defiance of policy, E. M. Gregory's attempt to turn Misplaced Pages into an ethnic exclusive version of Yad Vashem fails here, because all of the details in the new article are already comprehensively covered in the specialist article dedicated to this violence List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, July–December 2016" .E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Statement by RolandR
Why is Nishidani restricted to a total of 500 words in response - and even threatened with blocking if he does not comply - when the original complaint itself is well in excess of 600 words? How is it possible to defend oneself against a lengthy complaint, and numerous other comments by others, without being given the space to do so?
If this rule is to be applied rigidly and consistently, then any initial complaint that exceeds 500 words should be automatically disallowed. And once the subject of the complaint has responded, it should be forbidden to raise any further points which require their response. Anything else creates an uneven playing field, and is unfair to the subjects of complaints. RolandR (talk) 08:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Result concerning Nishidani
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- No action, I am more zealous about maintaining civility than most admins, but I can't construe as "A highly uncivil edit, with personal attacks, a bad faith accusation, unbecoming language and general unpleasant and intimidating phrases and tone." The words "stupid", "moronic" and "what in the fuck" are ill-advised but are directed at the content, not the contributor, and are nowhere near the point where a sanction is anywhere near being warranted. And that's even with the lower-threshold mentioned in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive200#Result_concerning_Nishidani, and even if that wasn't from 2 years ago. Fish+Karate 10:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Correction, User:Fish and karate: "what in the fuck". Drmies (talk) 03:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- The content dispute about Jewish or Arab identity etc. is irrelevant here, AE only cares about user conduct. Referring to a user's contribution (and therefore by extension the user) as "moronic" violates WP:NPA, and Nishidani's overlong wall of text does not address this. Moreover, in the now-removed parts of their response, Nishidani refers to the complainant as a "POV warrior indifferent to source control, the proper application of policy and whose purpose in numerous edits is to cleanse pages of anything that might trouble a nationalistic POV", in violation of WP:ASPERSIONS. This is unacceptable conduct, and Nishidani has a record going back to 2007 of blocks and warnings for overly aggressive conduct in the ARBPIA topic area. According to the AE log, the user has already had two one-month topic bans. I am therefore considering imposing an indefinite topic ban. Sandstein 18:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Calton: Because no misconduct by Debresser has been alleged here, their past record is not relevant. See, generally, WP:NOTTHEM. Sandstein 18:48, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Regardless, I think it makes a difference. If a complaint is brought by someone with a history of sub-par editing in that area, and/or is clearly an attempt to "remove" an opposing editor, then IMO our lines should be drawn a lot higher. Like the Volunteer Marek complaint just above, this request is both. Black Kite (talk) 11:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- In my view, these aspects should only factor into an AE decision only insofar as concerns any sanction imposed on the complainant, but no evidence for any such sanction is being submitted here. We use sanctions to protect the community as a whole from disruption, not the specific complainant. Sandstein 14:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Regardless, I think it makes a difference. If a complaint is brought by someone with a history of sub-par editing in that area, and/or is clearly an attempt to "remove" an opposing editor, then IMO our lines should be drawn a lot higher. Like the Volunteer Marek complaint just above, this request is both. Black Kite (talk) 11:08, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Calton: Because no misconduct by Debresser has been alleged here, their past record is not relevant. See, generally, WP:NOTTHEM. Sandstein 18:48, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Per Fish & Karate, this behaviour, whilst obviously not ideal, does not rise to the level of a sanction, especially an indefinite topic ban. As F&K says, the invective is aimed at the content, not the contributor. Black Kite (talk) 18:59, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- If we start indeftopicbanning for "moronic comment" we're going way too far. I do wish that Nishidani would take "overlong wall of text" to heart. It's a good thing I don't see a reason for a sanction in Debresser's complaint, because I can't figure out what Nishidan's defense is supposed to be. Word to the wise: focus on the issue. Drmies (talk) 03:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- The "moronic" as such wouldn't warrant sanctions, but the additional aspersions, as mentioned above, do. Sandstein 14:34, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- I am closing this without action at this time, given that I am the only admin that considers this actionable. Nonetheless, I will consider imposing a block or an indefinite topic ban, with or without any prior discussion, in the event of continued battleground-like conduct by Nishidani in this topic area. Sandstein 16:41, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
149.241.170.48
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- יניב הורון (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 19:32, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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IP (and his new user account) keep restoring disputed, POV, speculative content based on unreliable sources. This is ARBPIA-related so he shouldn't be able to edit there in the first place. But even if it wasn't, he already broke 3RR.
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Statement by Ymblanter
I blocked the IP for WP:3RR for 31h.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- I also extended-confirmed protected Labour Friends of Israel
, will log it tomorrow if I do not forget.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:20, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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יניב הורון (et al)
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Previously blocked twice for arbitration enforcement in the ARBPIA area.
Background: I removed a report by User:ThurnerRupert to WP:AIV earlier, where he was complaining about the reaction of User:יניב הורון who swore in an edit summary after being templated for vandalism. Since the templating was completely wrong, I felt that the reaction by יניב הורון was reasonable. However, this dispute has led to a small edit-war on that article, covered by ARBPIA, where both editors have broken 1RR. יניב הורון also appears to have broken 1RR on another article obviously related to ARBPIA, although that article does not have the ARBPIA DS notice (see above). I note along with this report that יניב הורון was unblocked (correctly) at 13:49 UTC today, since when they have reverted edits on twenty-three other articles, mostly in the ARBPIA area, many controversial, including seven in the first five minutes of today's editing (and I ignored the ones that were obviously typo fixes or vandalism reverts). I do start to wonder if this editor is a net positive in this area of editing. Black Kite (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
Discussion concerning יניב הורוןStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by יניב הורוןStatement by ThurnerRupertStatement by DebresserI just wanted to make a procedural note, that I am not happy with an editor who regularly comments on WP:AE reports as an uninvolved admin, starting to report editors himself. Debresser (talk) 23:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC) Statement by IcewhizPoorly crafted report. Neither are ARBPIA violations. ARCA has ruled that Iran/Israel is not part of ARBPIA which makes the first set of diffs moot as it is entirely about the Iranian's PM comments on Israel. The second set of diffs is an enforcement of the general prohibition against an IP editor which is explicitely exempt from ARBPIA 1RR. Most of Yaniv's reverts are vandalism or reversion of extreme POV related. ThurnerRupert questioning the reliability of long standing content sourced to WaPo, Reuters, ABC, and no lack of additional sources being rather extreme. One should note Yaniv has been the subject of frivilous reports at AE and a SPI complaint (form a long dormant editor) which was false - he was unblocked after being blocked for false reasons.Icewhiz (talk) 04:06, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
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Activist
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- 16:31, August 23, 2018 and 17:33, August 23, 2018 Content is first added by Activist in a series of two edits
- 17:44, August 23, 2018 and 17:47, August 23, 2018 I remove it and start a discussion on the talk page per the consensus required restriction on the article
- 08:39, August 24, 2018 Restoration of the content
- 22:52, August 26, 2018 Different content is removed by an IP editor per a previous consensus on the talk page
- 04:12, August 27, 2018 Restored by Activist without discussion
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- Received DS alert on user talk page 13:33, August 27, 2017
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There is a consensus required restriction on this article. After the first violation, I informed the editor about the editing restrictions on the article on 19:57, August 24, 2018. This was followed by a second violation on August 27th in which the editor restored content that was removed after discussion. I asked the editor to self-revert a second time on August 27, but the editor has not self-reverted or responded. I am filing here because I would like the editor to self-revert - I don't want to confuse the situation further with back and forth reverts. There are discussions open for both of these edits on the article talk page.
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