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http://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Editing TalkAbout 05:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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TalkAbout has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

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TalkAbout 13:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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Shrink down your picture

The picture you added takes up too much space, shrink it down or you will need to use { { - } } marks. But by all means add it in if it is an real picture. Since your are a photographer maybe you can help add in pictures to other politicans because I have trouble getting them for many pages I edited. Just wanted to make sure you were not an vandal because there was a lots of vandalsim on pages by random ip adress users.

CS California

Cs_California,

Yes, it is a real picture, my own work, with varification given to the wikipedia. As to the current picture my understanding is that we can not lift pictures, even from their public pages as all have copy rights on them. Thus, the reason that the wikipedia folks remove them. You have to provide them with the information as to the source and one can't provide others work.

Regards, TalkAbout 02:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

You can shrink down your picture and up load a new one (check in file history of your file). Someone also needs to find out when he is born and where in guangdong he came from.

CS California

Problematic Biased Input Response

Is it just me or is the entire article a word for word copy from his website?

It sure was, but I've reverted it back to a free version now. -Wiccan Quagga 05:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

There was no articles that were given to me that were campaign bias that left nowhere. the picture was the only one available from an old chronicle newspaper I had. The empty braket sign { { - } } was to organize the article around the large picture that was imputed.

Point 4 Please don't use brackets that lead to no where Which brackets lead nowhere

If the information was "disputed" just change it and indicate why, you dont have to make a big deal about it. As you commented no "bias information should be added." I agree that bias information should not be added. The secondary bracket edits were to fix the links so they just summarized the information instead of showing the whole link. NO LINKS were Deleted.

Your link were listed in an unorganized manner displaying the adresses check links on other politican cites they were all organized

History page of leland yee articles:

• http://news.asianweek.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=3321133d76a4fdf39bab8c50fcf7a0c6 Death Threats Over Video Games
• http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/e/a/1998/03/31/NEWS16011.dtl&hw=Leland+Yee&sn=058&sc=309 Supervisor Yee's plan includes ban on new ventures in the Tenderloin, March 31, 1998
• http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2005/02/22/gta_killers/index.html Salon.com, Grand Death Auto
• http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=16707 Suit tying video game to murders may proceed
• http://www.safegamesillinois.org/media/releases/Tuscaloosa%20News%202_16_05.pdf Violent video game blamed for deaths
• Matier and Ross

"By all the useless re-arranging you make it hard for people to research and cause some delay in accessing said information." (TalkAbout) How do people find stuff if it is unorganized?

You mentioned:

• Police and parent groups are concerned about violent video games causing children to be desensitized to violence. (why are you talking about parents when the article relates to Leland Yee?) They also believe that the video makers should be held accountable in these type of crimes. Others believe it is not the direct cause of the violence. (you indicated believed twice which is not factual. Why are they included. It still is unrelated to the main article leland yee. We are not writing about the relations between video games and desensitizing children) Both of Yee's bills passed with a wide support due in part by all the media attention and support by parents.(this last sentance should be added to the point with bill 1792)

Note that the bottem two points can be combined because they relate to Bill 1792 & 1793. Why was the combination reverted??? Death threats is a minor aspect and should be combined.

• Yee is the author of California Assembly Bills 1792 & 1793, which was signed into law on October 7, 2005, which would prohibit the sales of "ultra-violent" games in California to persons under the age of eighteen. Judge Ronald Whyte issued a preliminary injunction against the law on December 22 2005. Judge Whyte will soon deliver his final opinion on the constitutionality of California Assembly Bills 1792 & 1793

• Yee received death threat as a result of authoring Assembly Bills 1792 & 1793.

• Why were these point made significant since the article should be factual?

• Points I made still incorporated the non-bias information provided?

Point 7 The photo you uploaded has been removed on two occasions by the wiki folks...see your talk page because you do not cite the source.

Which wiki folks removed this check history! the only people who modify it are not even members of wikipedia.

I have been modifying this page since 06:18, 30 May 2006 (check history) and the picture only has been taken off by non wikipedia users.

The picture sent in by TalkAbout does not cite the source either.

Point 3 Please check your spelling. You wrote:

• Finance Committee, he championed fiscal responsibility and accountability and established the largest "Rainy Day" budget reserve in San Francisco's history. Yee

Why start an new sentance with just yee and not finish it? Everyone makes mistakes just fix it and indicate that it is an minor edit. You dont have to wine about spelling when it is such an minor issue.

It seems like you copied this information through cutting and pasting. It is not problematic if you can easily change it and write bias information read articles linked.

I don't know why you have to make such a big deal about such a small problem

CS_California

Cs_California,

My intentions were not to make such a big deal, it was simply just to make it workable and functional. If I have offended you I am sorry.

As to the source of the picture submitted. The source was provided to the wikipedia... I have a hobby of photographing politicians and so I have a wide array of photos that are my own work. I have many of former Governors, congressman/woman, State Senators, State Assemblymen/women etc.

My hobby has close to 20 years of interest in politics and how they influence our society and global society at large. We are a more global community today than at any other time in history. Information is a valuable tool and sharing information is a key to communication.

Regards, TalkAbout 02:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Signing in Wikistyle and use of links

Hi

just a hint on how to use the Wiki.

Signing comments ;

When you leave a post on a discussion page, sign off automatically using four tilda signs from your keyboard, that is the ~ sign usually made by an alt-n or similar depending on your input settings. Four tilda will automatically sign your username and time of post whilst hiding your IP address.

Making links ;

Likewise, the use of two square bracket signs such as [[ is to make a Wiki link automatically is NOT used to turn text red. It is NOT used for long sentances but for words with Wiki topic pages already established or worthy of establishing. When a single word turns red, it means that there is no existing wiki topic page for it to link to.

Vandalism and 3RR policy

It might serve you to read up on some of the official policies of the Misplaced Pages such as the Three-revert rule (or 3RR) and the processes by which to report vandalism or rouge users/IP address to the admins, e.g. Requests_for_investigation.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/3RR

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Vandalism

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_investigation

If you do enough good work and contributions, you can asked to bemade an admin which gives you more power to protect the Wiki and defend it against vandals.

Good luck. 195.82.106.244 14:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Indenting contributions to discussion pages

• To indent contributions to discussion pages, use one or more colons, e.g.

one colon

two colons

three colons

and so on.

It is convetion that each new contributor indents their contribution to a discussion to make it easier to read and see where one finishes and the next starts.

Thanks. 195.82.106.244 14:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Brackets

• Headings don't use brackets.

• If you use brackets to link to topics with no pages, learn how to make new pages.

• Check to see if singular nouns already have a page, it is not necessary to make new pages for plurals as well. Learn how to make a link from a word to a slightly different equivalent topic.

195.82.106.244 10:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Stanger195.82.106.244|195.82.106.244,

I don't know how to reply so I gather you have access here some how?

Sincerely, TalkAbout 01:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Learn the Wiki

Hi

learn how to use the Wiki. Read the manual and guidelines.

When reverting an article state that you are reverting and to which version. By doing so, you establish the pattern which makes it easier for the admins to decide who is right and who is doing wrong. Likewise if making an edit, state what the edit is in a brief impersonal manner, in the window provided for doing so, so that others know what you have done.

Thank you.

195.82.106.244 21:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

ShotSpotter Gunshot Location System

Talkabout,

Thanks for adding that trivia. I recently added to the folklore of RWC, also. However, it seems I am destine to inform you that the very system you describe has never been shown to be effective. The reasons vary. In any case, I would be remise if I did not point this out, let alone add that to your fine addition. In any case, I considered it in poor taste if I was to edit your addition. I will allow you that happy privelege(sp?).

Best Regards, 05:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)meatclerk

Jesselp

Hi Apparently i am deleting the dicussions page.... All that i can say is that i am not. and loose all of them valuable discussions . jp

Pre-eclampsia

Thanks for comment and suggestion to come up with some other addition. I had rather intended to imply in the edit summary that steroids were given for sake of the baby because a premature delivery could occur, rather than specifically for the reason why premature delivery was to occur - my attempts to abbreviate this for the edit summary comment were less clear thna I had wished. I also thought the phrasing (of mother/family having to request) needed reworking for better encyclopaedic style; much monitoring is required and sentances such as "X & Y are monitored" or "Where a premature delivery is likely to occur administration of steroids helps minimise ..." seem, to me, to read better. More importantly the article already mentions the use of steroids, so this seemed duplication. However I agree some further mention of issues seems indicated :-) I have therefore copied your post to Talk:Pre-eclampsia, placing a response and possible suggestion there for other editors to join in over. David Ruben 03:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

link to bosnian

Hello, when you want to link to the article about Bosnia, please do not link to Bosnian, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as Bosnia (region) or Bosnia and Herzegovina by writing out ]. Regards, Jeff3000 02:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

my Bot

Please note the reason for the removal of Category:Allied health professions was because the category does not exist. Betacommand 06:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Passing by

cheery smiles! -all in all your page in a whole lot better nick than over my neck of the woods right now. Can we chat offline? searchin man

Saving you from on unwanted e-mails! TalkAbout 17:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

substantial unequivocal evidence already supplied

I gave you substantial unequivocal evidence in my nine point reply under 'Searchin Man complaint' as to why there is an urgent need for an NPOV on the article. Re-visit point 1 of the reply before vandalising the NPOV. And please don't accuse me of personal attacks, ..not yet anyway. searchin man 22:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I need some HELP

Hi,

I am having a mediation problem and would like some help on this in the Brahma Kumaris discussion page. I have a fellow Named:Avyakt7 AKA Riveros11,72.91.28.223 AKA 72.91.151.117,

It would appear that he wants some thing removed. I can't seem to find it, but will remove what I do find. Now here is the problem: This fellow has been placing others information up too. It all started with him sussing someone and coming on the wiki to complain about a forum. Now, I don't know how to go about this, nor am I authorized to removed it permanently. Any help/advice you can offer whould be most appriciated. TalkAbout 05:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you're asking. I can suggest, though, that you try a dispute resolution process, which will perhaps help clear things up. If you need an article to be deleted, you can look at Articles for Deletion for information. Good luck! Replace the {{helpme}} template if you need additional help. —Keakealani 05:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Keakealani,

No, I don't want the article deleted. He says there is some thing there in the Discussion Page that he wants deleted. On the other hand he has been actively trying to out other wiki participants? So, who do I write to get this resolved or how do I start with mediation for him. He seems to have several IPs.

The article is fine, he just wants to turn it into an advertisement for the organisation rather than a neutral informative article. Thanks TalkAbout 06:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

As Keakealani said, please read and try one of the methods listed at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution if the problem persists. Cheers, Tangotango 08:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Greetings TalkAbout

Please realize that user.244 has been lying. DO you see that? Please do not try to cover this. Both of you are antagonistic to Brahma Kumaris. Both of you have been abusing it by placing your biased views in it. Currently, you are not qualified to mediate anything in this article, we need an "unbiased" mediator if you want to go that route. I would like to work that article so that it is "unbiased." In other words, I would like to work with you, so neither BKs feel left out nor user .244 and yourself. This article needs to be neutral. I don't know what happened with you and user .244 and to vent your views in a such a strong way, but WIKIPEDIA must not be the place for that.

Sincerely, avyakt7 Ps: If you would like to discuss about this article, feel free to contact me avyakt7atyahoo.com

Discussion archived and still no response to 9 point reply

That's over 4 days now and nothing, look I'll happily accept a response from the 'Old one' himself if he has anymore clue. searchin man 01:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

If I was you I would check your email

Signature problems?

TalkAbout, I've noticed that your signature does not seem to be working, where you have to go back and wikify your userid. If you've set this up intentionally, fine. If not, the problem could be that you have "Raw signature" checked on "my preferences" under the "User profile" tab. Unchecking this box should make the software automatically include your userid linked in your signature. –RHolton≡– 22:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

RHolton,

Problem solved! Similar to looking for my glasses only to find they are on my head.:) Thank you! TalkAbout 01:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

You can vote here

Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Recovery_from_Cults_(book) Andries 18:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Andries seems to think I could let you know about other relatd AFD's if I tell you in a neutral manner about them, but from past experience I think that's a bad idea. Suffice it to say this: let it be known to you that there might perchance possibly be other related AFD's out there on a related topic that you may also be interested in commenting on at some point in the future. Perhaps. There, I hope that will sound to any random roving Misplaced Pages Administrator just like a friendly pointer and not like canvassing. Yours, Smeelgova 19:28, 21 October 2006 (UTC).

External links

I have removed some of the links you added, as they pointed to a page that pretty much only contained links right back to Misplaced Pages, and doesn't appear to be a reliable source anyway. Please use wikilinks to point to other articles at Misplaced Pages. Thanks --AbsolutDan 19:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

While I understand you are trying to provide information to help people, Misplaced Pages is not here to be an instruction guide or a collection of external links. Information must be verifiable and notable to remain here. If the information isn't already out there in a WP:RS, Misplaced Pages simply cannot have it. --AbsolutDan 21:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Recovery from Cults, XBK info: A guide to life after leaving the Brahma Kumaris, 2006

I placed the {{external links}} tag on that article primarily because of the number of links. When an article needs its external links broken down into sub-sections, we've passed over the spam event horizon. If you disagree feel free to contest it at the article's talk page, but I feel the tag should remain until the links are culled quite a bit more. Thanks --AbsolutDan 23:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Cults

• I have changed the formatting of Template:Cults, so that it can now run down the right side of an article, like

Smeelgova,

Sorry for the delay in replying, been having trouble with my camera memory cards for my projects. Looks great! It is Gold. PEACETalkAbout 18:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm currently debating whether to leave Misplaced Pages altogether or simply take a break. I've become disillusioned by all of the personal attacks and overall bad manners by users of opposing POV. Therefore, I would most appreciate it if you would post your opinions/comments on the Template:Cults Talk page. Hope you are doing well. Yours, Smeelgova 19:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC).

Images

Hi, you uploaded several images such as Image:Drum Trance,.jpgor Image:BBP Archives 2006.jpg with conflicting statements: YOu wrote: "My own work, attribution required, not for commercial use or profit", which is incompatible with GFDL license. Please keep in miong that wikipedia material may be used commercially. Please review 'all your images (using, eg., your complete list of contributions) and update descriptions accordingly. Otherwise your images may be deleted from wikipedia.`'mikkanarxi 21:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

NPA

I am seeing that I am being implicated, along with the BKWSU IT team, in some kind of conspiracy or unethical behavior ]]. This is a personal attack in the form of repeated accusatory comments so I am issuing you with the first NPA warning.

I should point out that I am currently the only representative of the BKWSU IT team posting on Misplaced Pages and that means that anything I post is circulated and approved by the team first. Other BK contributers are posting autonomously and have to take responsibility for their own conduct on Misplaced Pages. In communications I have had with other editors off-line I have basically recommended following all of Misplaced Pages's guidelines and policies since, apart from being unethical, bad conduct makes any editor less credible and liable to be banned.

If you would like to clarify anything with me by all means use my talk page or email me via my talk page but please don't just post sensational headlines on an article talk page implying "guilt by association".

Regards Bksimonb 04:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Bksimonb,

Dear Bksimonb, it was searchin man via an e-mail that said you three were in direct communication and even provided details of your activities. So, given that I see that there is no personal attacks on my part, as I stated prior I was going to be discreet about this, but since you bring it forward I see no need to be. So, perhaps you need to State in a public way that you do not support sussing people out,tracing IPs, attacking them personally (including starting rumors of others) and that Avyak7Riveros11 andsearchin man are not in direct contact with you or working at your direction. That you do not approve of language that is demeaning, sexually condescending towards females since you profess that you are a woman run organisation. Even though you acknowledge direct contact with them and offering guidance to them on how not to be banned, you have now established a secondary working relationship group. In any effort it is not a good idea to be in contact with others while trying to remain un soiled by their activities while in Official capacity of BKWSU IT team as the PR Voice of BKWSU.

When you came on I had some high hopes of working on a neutral but truthful way. I thought your first posts indicated that the BKWSU was perhaps having some thoughts about the following:

• Child Abuse
• Ex-Member attempting suicide
• Ex-Members committing suicide
• Member being asked to break all contact with their families
• Ex-Members having sever psychological problems due to the Tenents/Teachings/Indoctrination
• Ex-Members not being offered any Exit counseling.....

That is why I was so happy to address you as I truly sensed that this was the case, which it apparently is not. See, my motivation is seeing all the post problems and the havoc it causes in the lives of the Ex-BKs and their families. From a PR point I say you are loosing some points in the way Avyak7Riveros11 treated Green108 as I am sensitive to individuals and on-going issues. So, if you, Riveros (with numerous IPs) and Seachin Man see that I am delicate on how I handle a few....it is because I am aware. Perhaps I am taking on more concern, perhaps some that really should be shouldered by those that told them day after day of Destruction and of jumping off 5 stories to their death if they left. If someone such as my self has taken the time, I pose this to you and the organisation: Why are you not listening to the cries of those that have served you for years/decades, the children abused while in your care and why have you turned a blind eye and continue said practises?

To call some one BROTHER or SISTER is to indicate a bond, a bond that would say that you would carry this individual through times of hardship, to not leave them alone to suffer if it was the system that caused said suffering.

Bksimonb why deny the tenets or teachings. Be truthful, be a light of goodness that does not hide the wrongs, be a soul that is loving, as in loving those in need one find the ultimate truth. Do not abandoned nor thrash these brothers/sisters about for wanting to WARN others of the suffering they have been through or are going through.

Humanity is judged by the way we treat our weakest in society.

So, continue to try and have me banned if that is the only solution you see to hiding the truth.

In closing I must say one thing since Searchin Man has made it public in reference to the individual and that individual’s spouse. To pose even the question would say that you do not know who some of your most loyal people are. Do a little more reading and you will see the truth in bold print.

A lot of what Avyackt7Riveros11 erased had the citation in the bibliography which you have yet to address.PEACE TalkAbout 18:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear User:TalkAbout,

I have no personal interest in whatever email exchange you had with User:Searchin_man. I also don't see it as any concern of yours what communication I have with other editors by email. Other that what I have told you it is our own business who and what we discuss amongst ourselves.

Here is a suggestion. If you believe a user has violated Misplaced Pages's policies then use the correct channels to address this. Keep your complaint only to the user concerned. Do not rant and rave on the discussion page of an article. That is for discussing the article only.

Most of your response seems to consist of a rant against the organisation and my not addressing the points you raise. Let me make it clear that I am not here to address that. It is beyond the remit of the IT team of an organisation to answer to sensational allegations. I am here to stop the damage the article is causing the organisation by the disinformation and bias it currently consists of. I intend to do this by learning how Misplaced Pages works and bringing the article up to a standard more appropriate for an encyclopedia. I am confident I will achieve this simply by following Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines and taking the sound advice from admins such as User:Rholton.

Also, if you really want to rant about the organisation why not find a more appropriate outlet such as a personal blog? Misplaced Pages is just simply not for that purpose.

Finally, as to whether I trying to get you banned, well, that is really in your hands. You always have the option to remain civil and respectful of other editors, their beliefs and their affiliations.

Regards Bksimonb 06:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

Bksimonb,

First, Sir I feel personally attacked by this: “Do not rant and rave on the discussion page of an article. That is for discussing the article only." I have been civil to you and your members of the Brahma Kumaris organisation. What I see here is that you are trying to work the system to hide your true practices, to suit your PR needs under a shield of "verifiable" sources approved by your members, while leaving others out that are quite legitimate. The truth cannot be forever shielded in secrecy. TalkAbout 21:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)