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Revised my article once again after it got declined the first time- Will it pass this time?

Hey everyone,

My article got declined a few months ago for not having enough reliable sources and I have recently started working on it again, revising it to meet Misplaced Pages's standards and on the request of the reviewer who declined my article. My question is, how many reliable sources do I need really? When is enough enough? Here is a link to it, https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Electronic_Lock_Bumping. Please let me know what you think,

Daniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by ASAP David (talk • contribs) 23:01, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Every statement should be accompanied by a quality source of fact even if what is stated in an article is an aside or obvious.2605:E000:1301:4462:904E:DC75:3814:4202 (talk) 23:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

This isn't true, Misplaced Pages:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue, or to cite other obvious facts. Iffy★Chat -- 09:58, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

But in this draft, very few of the factual statements, including many that are not obvious and undisputed, have references. Also rejection-worthy is that the writing style is completely unsuitable for an encyclopedia article. Instead, it reads like an essay. See the Wikilinked Lock picking article for an example of appropriate style. David notMD (talk) 10:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi ASAP David. David notMD is correct, it looks like an essay so edit out parts like "in conclusion" or a conclusion section itself. You should avoid making your own arguments or injecting your perspective. For instance, "It is apparent that criminals are using lock guns to gain unauthorized entry to residences..." Here, you are stating your own assumption. Also, attribute information to sources ("The field of Forensic Locksmithing aims to investigate these crimes" - where is the source?). However, your article is very comprehensive. Keep working on it. :) Darwin Naz (talk) 23:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

--ASAP David (talk) 21:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)Thanks a lot guys, I have revised the article to make it less persuasive and convincing to one side since then, let me know what you think now and if it needs any more work. Cheers, Daniel--ASAP David (talk) 21:08, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

It is also better to use the strongest source possible. For example, when discussing something related to law, it is better to reference an actual statute or judicial interpretation, than it is to reference a law review, because of the fact that the former reference would be an absolute authoritative source, while the latter is more of a third-party opinion. USN007 (talk) 20:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that advice, USN007; our policies generally favour secondary over primary sources. See WP:PSTS for more on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:40, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Cordless Larry So then, for example, your saying that according to policy it's better to take a law review's explanation of a supreme court decision rather than going directly to the words of a decision itself, when only the direct source is binding president that can be relied on in actual practice? That is something that would seem to me to be a bad representation of fact, especially in an area where word play (i.e. the way you say something) has just as much import in practice as what is said. While I understand that there is a need for policy, it would seem that it is also equally important to adhere to the fundamental rules of the given area with respect to what is considered a reliable citation, otherwise, it seems that we will loose respect as a credible source of information. (being the reason why some colleges explicitly prohibit the use of Misplaced Pages as a credible source for assignments.) USN007 (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Reporting the wording of a legal decision using a primary source is fine, but as WP:PSTS explains, going beyond that and into interpretation of the decision would require a secondary source and appropriate attribution. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Cordless Larry Except that this is exactly what a decision does- the holding of the decision is nothing more than an interpretation of sorts, and usually an interpretation of other cases- For example, Lockhart v. Fretwell 506 U.S. 364 (1993), further interprets the applicability of Collins v. Lockhart 754 F. 2d 258 (8th Cir. 1985) and Strickland v. Washington, 468 U.S. 668 (1984). Of course, explaining that in anything other than the court's own words could be considered to be the practice of law, to begin with. (depending upon which state one is writing from.) Therefore, it is wise not to paraphrase anything with that sort of thing, and I would say wise not to use third-party sources at all with this kind of thing. Misplaced Pages, since it is located in Florida, must generally adhere to the following on this point: "A nonlawyer may conduct a seminar at which general legal information is given, however, the nonlawyer may not give specific legal advice. The Florida Bar v. Raymond, James and Associates, Inc.,215 So. 2d 613 (Fla. 1968). Therefore, while the nonlawyer may give general information, the nonlawyer may not answer specific legal questions." USN007 (talk) 23:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure that this discussion is helpful to ASAP David, so I won't add anything else other than to point out (in response to the comment above rather than the draft article) that Misplaced Pages articles should not be giving legal advice under any circumstances. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:08, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

DVD may have been out a little earlier

DVD may have begun as early as August or September 1994. There is likely evidence that DVD may have come out around that time (no earlier). That may mean DVD may have been out for 24 years; it came out in America around 1996 or 1997. It replaced VHS somewhere in the mid-to-late 2000s. Can someone clarify this?

Angela Maureen (talk) 22:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Angela Maureen, welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming that the evidence you have is reliable and authoritative, my advice to you is simply to repeat you question on the Talk Page of the article itself. i.e. Talk:DVD. But don't forget to include full details of your source(s). If you wanted to, you could even suggest the form of wording change you'd like to see. Whilst any editor (including you, of course!) is free to be bold and make those changes themselves, this is a popular page (2000 views per day), so discussing changes and their sources is a sensible way for you to proceed. The Teahouse hosts are unlikely to get involved directly, as we're here to help editors who encounter difficulties in editing Misplaced Pages, rather than making changes to specific pages. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 06:29, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

How to upload my profile on wikipedia

Tell me sir anyone.... So that... i can uplode my profile on wikpedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prasant kumar panigra (talk • contribs) 06:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Probably not, see Misplaced Pages:Autobiography. Your WP:USERPAGE can, if you want, be used to tell a little about who you are and what you do/like to do on Misplaced Pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

How do I disclose COI?

Hi there, I've tried to publish a page about a professor. However it got rejected due to being an autobiography. Therefore, I re-edited it to comply to a more neutral point of view. Upon trying to publish for a second time - I have received the comment "please disclose COI". I have clicked on the COI link, but I have no idea how to disclose it. Any help would be much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlyovich (talk • contribs) 06:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jlyovich, and welcome to the Teahouse! WP:DISCLOSE will hopefully have what you seek. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:02, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Witcombe Cider Festival - approval

Good morning,

Please can someone approve my edit/ add for Witcombe Cider Festival?

https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Witcombe_Cider_Festival

Many thanks Guys — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appletree8 (talk • contribs) 07:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Appletree8, and welcome to the Teahouse! Your draft is not ready to be an article, if that's what you mean. But since it's a draft, you have plenty of time to work on it. I suggest you next take a look at Help:Referencing for beginners and Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Appletree8. I agree with Gråbergs Gråa Sång assessment of the draft and also suggest you take a close look at Misplaced Pages:Notability (events) and Misplaced Pages:Your first article as well. Bascially, what's going to ultimately determine whether the draft is approved as an article is going to be whether it is deemed to be Misplaced Pages notable enough for such an article to be written. I'm going to add Template:AFC draft to the top of the draft, so that you can submit it to Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready; however, I really don't suggest doing so right now because it's almost certainly going to be declined by a reviewer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Tea

Welcome. I have a tea, thank you Chickeo 08:52, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Chickeo. Welcome to the Teahouse. I see you've got yourself a drink already. That's great. Once you start to make edits to the encyclopaedia itself, do come back and let us know if you encounter any difficulties, and we'll try and help you. Regards, from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:24, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

After editing page alignment

Hi, I've recently edited the Kelty Hearts page to ensure their squad is updated, however, I seem to have an issue with the pages alignment after Current Squad.

It appears fine while editing but comes out of alignment when published.

I've using the viewer to edit rather than source.

If anyone could tell me or fix the alignment for me.

It would be much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cipow (talk • contribs) 09:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Cipow, welcome to the Teahouse. I fixed it by moving {{Fs end}} to a new line. VisualEditor has problems with table-generating templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:00, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Tea house

Is tea house in Asia?

Do they serve tea or any other refreshments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan Aranha (talk • contribs) 13:04, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Stub template for dancer?

Does Misplaced Pages have a stub template for entertainers who were known for their dancing? I found Dance stubs, but they are for types of dances rather than for performers. Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types#Entertainers seems to be the appropriate place, but I don't see dancers there. I'm asking because last night I came across Frances E. Nealy, which had focused on her as an actress, but the newspaper articles I found dealt with her more as a dancer. Eddie Blick (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

{{dance-bio-stub}} is listed at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types/Culture#Other culture. It adds Category:Dance biographical stubs. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter! I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 15:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Entry rejected?

Hello -

A friend of mine submitted my bio as an entry for Misplaced Pages at the beginning of this year. I checked into its status and was referred to this board. I am wondering why it was rejected and what to do to make it eligible for publication. Since that time, I have announced my candidacy for a political position, which is the one change I have made to the original biography. Thank you for your time!

I will paste the entry below:

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabrielpiemonte (talk • contribs) 15:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

This isn't the place for a draft, so I have collapsed its display. The reason why Draft:Gabriel Piemonte was rejected was given at User talk:Twain1872, & eventually the draft was deleted after it had been abandoned un-edited for more than 6 months. Please read the advice at WP:Your first article but firstly WP:Autobiography. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:40, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Need help from a native speaker of Spanish

My Spanish is good, but not native. I'm translating es:Historias breves, work in progress at User:Jmabel/Historias Breves. Two things need help from a native speaker of Spanish. One relates to possible connotations or pun on envuelto; the other pivots on the phrase "una tarotista que trabaja en una línea erótica" ("a tarot reader who works in an erotic line," but what on earth does that mean?). Please see User talk:Jmabel/Historias Breves and the draft article itself for more details. Thanks in advance for any help. - Jmabel | Talk 15:50, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Jmabel! Try these people Misplaced Pages:Translators#Spanish-to-English – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:53, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Monkeytheboy and MX: - Jmabel | Talk 16:30, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Jmabel and Finnusertop: Thanks for the ping, guys. Happy to help! I've responded to the translation requests at User talk:Jmabel/Historias Breves. Please ping me if you have additional questions. Cheers, MX (✉ • ✎) 18:29, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

How to handle undiplomatic participation in a discussion.

I am writing to ask what recourse one has when, in a discussion about whether to delete an article or not, an editor gets fixated on one's input/participation even if not directed at them, specifically. The editor seems to be questioning my intentions and mischaracterizing my responses to two *other* editors.

I voted to "Keep" the article (which I was one of the original creators for, four years ago), and stated my reasons. The editor in question responded to my "Keep" vote on why they think it should be deleted and I responded to let them know why I disagreed with their response (which circumvented the substance of my reasons to "Keep"). I feel that was the end of discussion with this editor on the substance of the piece and I moved on.

My brief responses to two OTHER editors since have been in the form of dialog as to what might improve the article (so they don't carry a connotation so much in favor or against it as it does addressing how the article could improve). This includes two posts toward the end of the discussion where I illustrate what I edited to help improve the article based on what the last voter articulated in their own comments.

The problem I am having is the person who had initially responded to my "Keep" vote in disagreement continues to respond to comments that are not directed at them but to the other editor who made suggestions as to what would improve the article. It's beginning to feel as though this editor is questioning my intentions (stating I am monopolizing the dialog and discouraging others from voicing their opinion - I have done nothing of that sort) and responding to even the most innocuous and neutral comment I post - in this case what I have posted is purely technical, e.g., "posted links, did this, did that, hope this improves the article" type of response. I almost feel they are trying to do what they are accusing me of doing.

This is the "delete" discussion I am referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ahmed_Emad_Eldin.

One reason I tend not to edit a lot on Misplaced Pages is this type of unnecessary contention. Since making a number of edits to the article in question I had reached the conclusion I had done what I could to help improve it (and I still think it should be "kept," of course) and have moved on. So I don't have more to say about the article deletion debate itself but do find it undiplomatic dealing with this type of unnecessary response: this person stated why it should be deleted, insist it should be deleted, and that's fine - I have simply responded to other editors on the suggestions to improve the piece. I'm trying to understand how what I did monopolizes or excludes others from participating. Am I missing something here?--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, 1987atomheartbrother. Welcome, and thank you for setting the controls to the heart of the Teahouse. To answer your question directly - I don't think there's an 'recourse' needed, nor would any particular action on your part be appropriate, apart from listening to what other editors also say. For what it's worth, I'd say don't take it personally. I've just skimmed though the deletion discussion. My (albeit rapid assessment) leads me to suggest that it's not personal - and you shouldn't take it to heart - but they might have a point that accords somewhat with the essay called WP:BLUDGEON in terms of how much of the discussion you (and also one of the other editors to a lesser extent) have occupied - but those discussions looked quite healthy and acceptable up to now. Your responses to the Articles for Deletion discussion seemed ok to me, yet I see the perspective of the other editors who simply asked you not to come back to answer every single point, and has cited that essay. Sometimes, when an article has been in existence and edited by many users over quite a few years, a seven day deletion discussion (even with a number of editors commenting) doesn't seem enough time. But sadly that's how we have to operate. I think you're probably right to 'move on' now and to let others contribute to the debate. As I say, I don't think there's any 'recourse' needed. But that shouldn't stop you from improving the article if you're able, or responding to any new concerns expressed in that debate. I hope this opinion helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, thank you for the feedback - it is helpful. And thanks for the clever intro in your paragraph! My controls are indeed set to the Teahouse: it has served as a great frame of reference of the modicum of experience I've gained on this site! Thanks for taking the time to respond, I've taken your advice and have pretty much moved forward as suggested. Thank you.--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 01:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome 1987atomheartbrother. I've learned a lot here, too, though I still make mistakes, of course, just as all most active do from time to time. Having looked at the article and the sources, I was going to leave a 'weak keep' !vote at the AfD but, as I had specifically alerted another editor to the discussion, I think it would be wrong of me to add my own voice on this occasion. I hope the article is retained, though. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:18, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Two articles submitted for the same artist

Hello, thank you very much for the invitation. I've been working in the page of a korean singer now i submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Jungkook however i just noticed there's another draft for the same artist that was also submitted but that it's incomplete https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Jeon_Jung-kook

I know one of both will be declined, but I wanted to know if in case the other article is the one declined the information that contains in the discography can be used to create a new page of the artist's discography? leigiraldo (talk) 17:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Leigiraldo: There is no rule that one has to be declined but even if, it would make sense to have a redirect from one name to the other. Any information can be merged into another page if the rules for attribution are followed. You can even retract your submission and merge your content to the other draft while a review is pending (the template explicitly states that you are free to continue working on it). See Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages:Merging for more details. Regards SoWhy 17:34, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I already wrote to the other editor so we can solve this and give a quality page for the artist. Have a nice day. ↳ LeiGiraldo . . . 21:15, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Leigiraldo: Just adding to what SoWhy has said, it's worth mentioning that there is already a redirect from a similarly-named page titled Jungkook (singer). After creating, it was almost immediately redirected to BTS (band) as that page (see this version) had no references, so that wasn't surprising. Nor was it very well named, as there's no other Jungkook on Misplaced Pages, so really no need to differentiate him from anyone else. I would be extremely surprised if, by collaborating, the two of you can't create an article that gets accepted. In my household, I hear little else but how wonderful Jungkook, Suga, Jimin and all the rest of BTS is (my daughter is off to see them in concert in London later this year, too, so I shalln't hear the end of it!). I realise BTS fans can be a teeny bit on the keen side when it comes to their idols, and it's easy to want to cram in as much as you can into a new article. I would suggest you resist that temptation, and pare down the draft a bit, removing all trivial content and information that is sourced from minor mentions or unreliable sources, sticking only to the bare facts and Reliable Sources about this heart-throb singer. Then I'm convinced you'll get your draft accepted as being Notable, or meeting WP:MUSICBIO. You are to be congratulated in wanting to take the collaborative approach to adding to this encyclopaedia. Good luck with it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

User:Nick Moyes Thank you very much for your message, I'll be fixing those recommendations to improve the article and make it more professional, I've been searching for all the reliable sources because I really think these boys deserve their own page. Many try to search them now that they have individual music and producing releases that are charting around the world for the first time ever for korean artists and it's frustrating they can't find any english article about him. I hope your daughter has the best time in the concert, I'm so happy for her. This is the first time they go to UK and it's already in such an iconic venue. Those boys are such an inspiration how starting from zero and being ignored by their own country they now became in their pride. I'll been supporting via periscope it's going to be a really amazing iconic night.

I also talked to the user that has the other article and she agrees to retract her submission but doesn't know how to do it so I'll try to search and send her the information. I'll do my best working on this so it can be accepted, it would be an honour to be added as Notable and meeting WP:MUSICBIO (I changed my username recently it's not leigiraldo anymore) ↳ GiovannaG . . . 23:50, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

My quote

I'm a beginner and I'm really confused I would like to start editing, but I don't know were to go or how to go about it. - Selena L - S3e3l3e3n3a2030 (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

You could start by following the various links in the messages on your user talkpage. If you have specific questions after that, please feel free to ask. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@S3e3l3e3n3a2030: If you want to test editing, Misplaced Pages:Sandbox allows you to edit as much as you like. Once you have familiarized yourself with how to edit, check out Misplaced Pages:Tutorial for a quick guide. Regards SoWhy 18:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Selena L. I'm sure you're frustrated by having your first article deleted, but don't be downhearted. Another suggestion to get you started, and to enjoy learning about how Misplaced Pages operates, is to have a go at The Misplaced Pages Adventure. It's a fun, interactive tour, during which you can earn up to 15 separate badges for achieving different assisted tasks. Learning to edit Misplaced Pages is a little bit like driving a car for the first time. Whilst you could just jump in and set off down the road at high speed, there's a high probability that you'll crash and never want to drive again. Luckily, no-one here gets ever killed from editing, but it's always best to drive slowly and on familiar roads to start with. What are your interests? Why not go and look at a few articles about the things that really interest you - then see if you can find any spelling errors, better ways of stating known facts, or adding in better references? Working on the things you find of interest to you personally is often the best way to start off. Failing that, there's a few hundred thousand other tasks that need fixing - see the 'Help Out' section at Misplaced Pages:Community portal! Regards and best wishes at the start of your own personal Misplaced Pages journey. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:01, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

creating an article

HI! is it necessary that I have to create a draft article? on my side, I don't want a draft but a new article because the draft takes long to be reviewed, kindly I'm requesting for your help, please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rinyakila (talk • contribs) 20:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

You created a draft today Draft:The loss of Traditional Knowledge and you are already concerned it has not been reviewed yet???? Having looked at it, it will be rejected, as it has no references. David notMD (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

The draft (Draft:The loss of Traditional Knowledge) certainly isn't fit for publication as an article because you haven't supplied any references. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Rinyakila, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, there is no rule that says you have to create a draft. At present you cannot create a non-draft article, but once your account has existed for four days, you will be able to.

BUT, I strongly advise you not to do so. The articles for creation process exists precisely because writing an acceptable article is very hard, and working in draft gives you the opportunity to get it up to scratch before submitting it for review. My standard advice is always to create a draft, unless you are very certain that you can create an acceptable article on the first attempt. I also advise people not even to try creating an article until they've had at least a few weeks' practice at working on existing articles.

In any case, I strongly advise you to read your first article; and I also suggest There is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Rinyakila, and welcome to our Teahouse. Right now, for you, it is absolutely essential. The reason is that you only created your account on 12th September, and we have a very low bar on allowing new editors to create or move pages. We call this being ("autoconfirmed"), and you have to have an account for at least 4 days and have made 10 edits or more. So you do need to wait. After that, yes, it is possible to start a new page from scratch. But i really don't advise you to try it. For an absolute beginner, creating a completely new page from scratch that survives review is one of the very hardest tasks anyone can perform here. A really do urge you to work on a draft first. And having your work summarily deleted because it fails to meet the essential criteria of an encyclopaedic page can be extremely demoralising and the probably cause of many new editors not lasting long as productive contributors.

I also note that you created Draft:The loss of Traditional Knowledge, which you subsequently blanked. Looking at the early version (see here), it looks more like an essay or 'opinion piece', which wouldn't be accepted in that form. So, what I'd earnestly advise is that you take the time and trouble to learn the basics of Misplaced Pages before trying to create new pages. Perhaps you'd read Misplaced Pages:Your first article and have a go at The Misplaced Pages Adventure. (I wish I'd had these when I first started here; I think it was 9 months before I felt confident enough to create an article based on Reliable Sources that met our Notabilty Guidelines) Anyway, welcome again, and I hope this isn't too disappointing. I wish you all the best for a long, well-referenced and productive Misplaced Pages journey. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rinyakila. Somes words of encouragement. I have noted that the problems raised so far did not include lack of notability, so the topic may have merit. I understand the difficulty of the writing process but writing the draft, as some have suggested, is helpful so you can develop the article further and avoid getting an outright rejection due to incomplete elements. Specifically, I suggest that you expand it in subsections, outlining information like: country-specific data, threats or factors that lead to the loss traditional knowledge, and initiative that address these (if there are), among others. I am also underscoring the need to cite sources. If you need any help, please let me know. - Darwin Naz (talk) 03:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Site review & acceptance

Hello Folks,

I started creating a new Misplaced Pages page a few years ago for a well-known musician in Harry Belafonte's band, Mr. John Cartwright. He's has become an important mentor to musicians in the Los Angeles area. He's approaching 80 and I wanted to make sure the world knew about him and his contribution.

The page is mostly finished, but I got pulled away from the project. Can you tell me if it's approved so I can complete it? I also want to start a new page for a historic bookstore that should be remembered.

Thanks for your help. As an author and editor, I like being part of the Wiki team.

Diana Weynand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diana Weynand (talk • contribs) 20:56, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Diana Weynand: There's a huge problem that's going to prevent the draft from being approved -- it doesn't cite any sources. Another issue (more easily fixed) is the use of editorializing phrasing, such as "distinguished" and "accomplished." In such cases, show, don't tell.

My usual advice for writing articles on any topic:

1) Choose a topic whose notability is attested by discussions of it in several reliable independent sources.

2) Gather as many professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources you can find.

3) Focus on just the ones that are not dependent upon or affiliated with the subject, but still specifically about the subject and providing in-depth coverage (not passing mentions). If you do not have at least three such sources, the subject is not yet notable and trying to write an article at this point will only fail.

4) Summarize those sources left after step 3, adding citations at the end of them. You'll want to do this in a program with little/no formatting, like Microsoft Notepad or Notepad++, and not in something like Microsoft Word or LibreOffice Writer. Make sure this summary is just bare statement of facts, phrased in a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with.

5) Combine overlapping summaries (without arriving at new statements that no individual source supports) where possible, repeating citations as needed.

6) Paraphrase the whole thing just to be extra sure you've avoided any copyright violations or plagiarism.

7) Use the Article wizard to post this draft and wait for approval.

8) Expand the article using sources you put aside in step 2 (but make sure they don't make up more than half the sources for the article, and make sure that affiliated sources don't make up more than half of that).

Doing something besides those steps typically results in the article not being approved, or even in its deletion. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Diana Weynand. Your draft is located at User:Diana Weynand/John R. Cartwright. I am sorry, but your draft is entirely lacking in references to reliable, independent sources, which are the building blocks of an acceptable Misplaced Pages article. Please read our core content policies Verifiability and No original research. At this time, your draft article is not in compliance with those policies. I recommend that you read and study Your first article and Referencing for beginners. Cullen Let's discuss it 21:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

To add to what Ian.thomson and Cullen328 have said, Diana Weynand: however distinguished Cartwright may be "mak sure the world knew about him and his contribution" is precisely what Misplaced Pages is not for: that is called promotion, and is strictly forbidden. Misplaced Pages is for summarising what uninvolved people have already chosen to publish about a subject. --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Block self request

Block 666thedevil2222222 reason keep on making bad page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 666thedevil222222 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello 666thedevil222222 welcome to the Teahouse. Whilst I'm not convinced your username will be seen by some people as particularly appropriate, I see no reason for you to think you should be blocked at this stage. Yes, you've created some rubbish new pages which have been deleted or turned into a draft. But so long as you learn from the experience, and don't create silly articles for the sake of it, you should be OK. The best way to get blocked is to continuously ignore the reasonable advice of other editors, or to demonstrate that you're WP:NOTHERE to build an encyclopaedia. You haven't done that as yet. So, why not give The Misplaced Pages Adventure a go, and win up to 15 badges in our fun interactive teaching tutorial? Then read Misplaced Pages:Your first article to help you decide if making new pages is really for you, or if perhaps there are other things you can contribute to here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

My edits are accurate but keep getting deleted

Info on my Wiki page is way out of date and I'm trying to update/delete. I keep getting blocked or reverted. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bethanybee (talk • contribs)

@Bethanybee: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this relates to Toben Seymour. If you are Tobin, you should be aware that the page is an article about you, and not "your Wiki page". Please read the guidelines on autobiograpical edits at WP:AUTO. You should also confirm your identity with Misplaced Pages by emailing the address listed in the paragraph this link takes you to, as we have no way to know you are who you say you are. If there is information on the page that is incorrect, we want to know what it is, but you should not edit the article yourself. You should post your concerns on the article talk page, which is Talk:Toben Seymour. This will allow other independent editors who follow that article to review your comments and determine how to proceed. To draw additional attention to it, you can make your comments an edit request(follow the instructions at that link) 331dot (talk) 22:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Related at Misplaced Pages:Help_desk#Editing_my_own_page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

articel genrated wrong place?

Dear Teahouse. I think I was a bit confused while generating the first draft article. I am not sure, if I made any mistake in placing it not in the sandbox? I can't check somehow the status ? Is about corn sauce. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WuHaiJie (talk • contribs) 01:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, WuHaiJie. You were trying to write a draft on your user page. That page is for some information about you as a Misplaced Pages editor. I moved your draft article to Draft:Corn Sauce. I recommend that you read Your first article, and use that information to improve your draft. Your can ask questions here at the Teahouse at any time. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

What should I do?

My article, Feng Timo, has ben nominated for deletion. I think it's still possible to save it. But what should I do? Omega68537(talk) 04:56, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Omega68537: Don't panic. It's possible to save it provided there are reliable sources report about the subject. Now, go to the deletion discussion and using reliable sources explain why you think the subject merits an article. Since it's about a musician, the guideline is WP:NMUSIC, compare the points there with your sources and then write the reason in the discussion. Also, in the event it's eventually deleted (or even retained) just know that it's not your article, it's Misplaced Pages's. None of us has ownership of any text here, we only contribute.–Ammarpad (talk) 05:11, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ammarpad: Thanks, but Feng Timo is NOT a professional musician, so it's difficult to find sources to proof that she meets WP:NMUSIC. In fact, Feng Timo is a professional network anchor. So is WP:NMUSIC fully applt to it? And what should I do? Omega68537(talk) 10:10, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, generally you should be looking for "multiple reliable sources" about her, irrespective of whether the guideline fits her profession or not. Since she's an anchor, then WP:JOURNALIST may be closer to her. But just find sources that can make her to pass WP:GNG and present your argument there. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ammarpad: Thanks. I think she probably meets this notability standard, but I can hardly find more reliable sources. Unfortunately, Feng Timo is gettine less and less popular due to much negative news, see, . So the probility of being deleted may be increased. This is why I'm panic. Omega68537(talk) 11:05, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

"Much negative news" should make it easier to establish that she is notable. Maproom (talk) 13:08, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

First time user

Dear All,

I created wiki business page and started getting surprises with spam etc. I am surprise how other companies (there are millions of company web pages) are able to write about their business. I am very new to wiki and would appreciate if someone could help me with this.

Please note, this is the FIRST time i am landing on wiki and getting warnings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bookcheap (talk • contribs) 07:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

It would appear from your username and your draft article that you are in direct conflict with Misplaced Pages's conflict of interest guidelines. Do go to that link and read all of it, but the key words are "COI editing is strongly discouraged on Misplaced Pages." HiLo48 (talk) 07:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bookcheap: Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia, not a business directory. We have articles about notable businesses but they are written by volunteer editors, not by people associated with that business.

Your username is also a problem. I'll leave a note about that on your talk page in a moment. – Joe (talk) 07:46, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Follow-up to Sikhareswar Jena

Esteemed sir,

Though there are no newspaper cuttings,press releases of 1980s available due to lack of Archival facilities in Odisha at that time.His activites were widely publicised those days in leading Oriya newspapers,Samaj and Prajatantra and ALL India Radio,Cuttack.But,i have cited various websites/links where references to him are available.Once it is available online,many discerning editors will contribute ,vet and enrich the piece of writing.Though I am related to him,I exercise abundant caution and meticulous vigil to ensure objectivity to avoid any COI,as the write-up is purportedly based on verifiable information.I have nothing more to add.Let other esteemed editors help improve it .There are very few or no personalities in Fire engineering in Odisha. Warm regards and submissions Jena Amiya Kumar (talk) 08:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC) Sir I am extremely grateful for editing the write-up and designing references.Looking forward to your further editing and improving the same for a proper article.With warm regards Jena Amiya Kumar (talk) 14:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Zeremariam Fre - new page

Dr Zeremariam Fre founder of the Pastoral and Environmental Network in the Horn of Africa (PENHA) has just been awarded the prestigious Desmond Tutu Reconciliation Fellowship. The award ceremony is on 4 October and will attract media interest. My page for him is ready to upload. Do I need prior approval and where do I upload the content? Thank you for you guidance. Nicole — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolekenton (talk • contribs) 12:33, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Did you read the replies which you received at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 825#creating two pages - Dr Fre and PENHA? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:43, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

wanted to create a new article about news website

i want to create a new article for news website which is few years old and does not have lots of blogs or sources. the only source it has right now is its website and its social media pages. can anyone please help me out here, wheather i can create this new article or not with respect to the souces/references required in wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appu bhatnagar (talk • contribs) 12:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Simples. No independent published reliable sources means no article. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:57, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

hi david thanks for the reply. need a bit more clarification on the following.

what about forum pages and blogs of well published and accepted journals. the one posted by scholars and researchers with proof of data. can that be used as a reliable source? though this is mentioned in the source link you shared, but based on that i am not able to make a conclusion. can you help me on that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appu bhatnagar (talk • contribs) 14:52, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

A journal may have a forum or blog (although I have seen little of that), but if anyone is allow to post stuff not subject to peer review, in my opinion - not. David notMD (talk) 00:25, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Why I edit

Where i can explain why i edit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suchasbloom (talk • contribs) 16:11, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Suchasbloom: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If this refers to the post on your user talk page asking you to make an edit summary, I can explain. Below the window in which you type your edits, there is a smaller window below the words "edit summary". This is where you can type a brief explanation of what your edit accomplishes. This helps other editors to know what you did. 331dot (talk) 16:23, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Suchasbloom: The above applies to the desktop version of the site, reached by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom of the mobile site. I see you use the mobile site. There you get a box saying "How did you improve the page?" after clicking "Next" and before saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Starting a new page

Can someone please direct me to where i can start creating a new page. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayse73 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ayse73: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please understand that successfully creating a Misplaced Pages article can be difficult. You may wish to spend some time learning about how Misplaced Pages works first. You can do this by first using the new user tutorial, and then taking some time to edit existing articles to get a feel for the process. However, if you still want to dive right in to creating articles, you should read Your First Article, and then visit Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 16:47, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

How thorogh must initial articles be?

Exactly how through must an article be for initial submission? I'm wondering exactly how far we can go into discussion of certain disciplines, such as explaining United States supreme court cases, while still refraining from what is, in some states, defined as the unlawful practice of law. USN007 (talk) 20:27, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello USN007, and welcome to the Teahouse. If what you put in article-space clearly meets the General notability guideline, WP:GNG, "thorough" can came later. Let me give you an example: Norse Mythology (Neil Gaiman) is not "thorough", but if you check the cites it's clear it meets GNG, so it "sticks". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:24, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi USN007. You won't be putting your own analysis of the case in the article, so there is not a problem. See Misplaced Pages:No original research. Instead you will need independent secondary sources that explain why the case is notable and what the consequences of the decision were. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Undid revision 859569058 by Bankster (talk) History has been updated by Telearuba employee previously on Sept 12th 2018

Hello,

We are trying to update a page of Telearuba13 on Misplaced Pages by adding the correct information as well updating the logo with the right one, but twice the changes has been rolled back by an editor, it is a little frustrating that the correct version cannot be updated because it has been rolled back already two time by an Misplaced Pages editor. Any advice what should be done or if there might be an editor that can give advice to have it done right that it would not be rolled back ? Thank you, Richinald — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telearuba (talk • contribs) 21:18, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, If you are being paid to edit Misplaced Pages, Please read WP:PAID Thanks. :) Thegooduser Let's Chat 🍁 21:20, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Telearuba Hello and welcome. You will also need to read about conflict of interest. As you work for the company, you should not edit its article directly, instead making edit requests on the article talk page(Talk:Telearuba 13). You should also see your user talk page for important information about your username. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for all the replies, No I am not being paid for, the reason for the update is because this month the station would celebrate it's 55 anniversary and would like to update the history page on Misplaced Pages of the station from it's start from 1963 up to now — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telearuba (talk • contribs) 21:58, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

I would say that if the editor that is doing the roll-back can't provide a specific policy statement to defend the roll-back (which isn't clear from the OP) than the roll-back counstitutes vandalism, and should be dealt with accordingly. USN007 (talk) 22:09, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

USN007, please read Misplaced Pages's definition of "vandalism".   Maproom (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

How to handle undiplomatic participation in a discussion.

I am writing to ask what recourse one has when, in a discussion about whether to delete an article or not, an editor gets fixated on one's input/participation even if not directed at them, specifically. The editor seems to be questioning my intentions and mischaracterizing my responses to two *other* editors.

I voted to "Keep" the article (which I was one of the original creators for, four years ago), and stated my reasons. The editor in question responded to my "Keep" vote on why they think it should be deleted and I responded to let them know why I disagreed with their response (which circumvented the substance of my reasons to "Keep"). I feel that was the end of discussion with this editor on the substance of the piece and I moved on.

My brief responses to two OTHER editors since have been in the form of dialog as to what might improve the article (so they don't carry a connotation so much in favor or against it as it does addressing how the article could improve). This includes two posts toward the end of the discussion where I illustrate what I edited to help improve the article based on what the last voter articulated in their own comments.

The problem I am having is the person who had initially responded to my "Keep" vote in disagreement continues to respond to comments that are not directed at them but to the other editor who made suggestions as to what would improve the article. It's beginning to feel as though this editor is questioning my intentions (stating I am monopolizing the dialog and discouraging others from voicing their opinion - I have done nothing of that sort) and responding to even the most innocuous and neutral comment I post - in this case what I have posted is purely technical, e.g., "posted links, did this, did that, hope this improves the article" type of response. I almost feel they are trying to do what they are accusing me of doing.

This is the "delete" discussion I am referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ahmed_Emad_Eldin.

One reason I tend not to edit a lot on Misplaced Pages is this type of unnecessary contention. Since making a number of edits to the article in question I had reached the conclusion I had done what I could to help improve it (and I still think it should be "kept," of course) and have moved on. So I don't have more to say about the article deletion debate itself but do find it undiplomatic dealing with this type of unnecessary response: this person stated why it should be deleted, insist it should be deleted, and that's fine - I have simply responded to other editors on the suggestions to improve the piece. I'm trying to understand how what I did monopolizes or excludes others from participating. Am I missing something here?--1987atomheartbrother (talk) 17:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, 1987atomheartbrother. Welcome, and thank you for setting the controls to the heart of the Teahouse. To answer your question directly - I don't think there's an 'recourse' needed, nor would any particular action on your part be appropriate, apart from listening to what other editors also say. For what it's worth, I'd say don't take it personally. I've just skimmed though the deletion discussion. My (albeit rapid assessment) leads me to suggest that it's not personal - and you shouldn't take it to heart - but they might have a point that accords somewhat with the essay called WP:BLUDGEON in terms of how much of the discussion you (and also one of the other editors to a lesser extent) have occupied - but those discussions looked quite healthy and acceptable up to now. Your responses to the Articles for Deletion discussion seemed ok to me, yet I see the perspective of the other editors who simply asked you not to come back to answer every single point, and has cited that essay. Sometimes, when an article has been in existence and edited by many users over quite a few years, a seven day deletion discussion (even with a number of editors commenting) doesn't seem enough time. But sadly that's how we have to operate. I think you're probably right to 'move on' now and to let others contribute to the debate. As I say, I don't think there's any 'recourse' needed. But that shouldn't stop you from improving the article if you're able, or responding to any new concerns expressed in that debate. I hope this opinion helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, yes, this is helpful - thank you so much for taking the time to respond and for the clever intro - indeed the controls are set to the Teahouse as it serves as a frame of reference for the modicum of experience I have been able to gain on the site! I truly appreciate the feedback! --1987atomheartbrother (talk) 01:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

New on Misplaced Pages

I just joined Misplaced Pages and want suggested articles to edit MrOrhin (talk) 22:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

All of them! Okay, that is being glib, but with more than five million articles in English Misplaced Pages, the answer is start with what you know. If, because of your profession or hobby, you are informed on specific topics, look at those articles to see if improvements (additions OR deletions) are warranted. A general sense of an existing article's quality can be learned by clicking on Talk. The top part of Talk should show whether the article is considered a Stub, Start class, C-Class, B-Class or higher. The lower on the scale, the more likely you can identify what to improve. David notMD (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

• @MrOrhin: You can also take suggestions from SuggestBot. Best of luck and happy editing :) Knightrises10 (talk) 10:47, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@MrOrhin:, to follow up on the first response, I suggest that you look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types. Find a link in a subject area that interests you and follow it to locate articles that are likely to need improvement. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Dipper Pine's hat color

According to DIsney, Dipper Pines' cap was colored dark moderate blue not cerulean nor royal blue. Is it a myth? I was wondering I used Pipette on my Android and the hex color is #437CA0. Apollo C. Quiboloy fans (talk) 01:42, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Apollo C. Quiboloy fans. The Teahouse is for asking and answering questions about editing Misplaced Pages. For general knowledge questions, please try the Reference desks. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

It was corrected because of color scheme. It was used the color picker and reveal the hex color #437CA0 meaning dark moderate blue not cerulean blue or royal blue. Apollo C. Quiboloy fans (talk) 11:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Are getty images free to use on wikipedia pages?

Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JarrodT (talk • contribs) 02:51, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/ says at the bottom, "All contents © copyright 1999-2018 Getty Images. All rights reserved." I'm automatically redirected to the British page, but I assume https://www.gettyimages.com/ has something similar. So no. Rojomoke (talk) 06:05, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The copyright language is the same when the website is accessed from the United States. Cullen Let's discuss it 08:17, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

How do I change my username?

Hello, there. Hope someone can help. I just created my account and I've got "the The" in the name. Can I alter it to Scribbles by The Scribbler? I'm not usually so inept. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scribbles by the The Scribbler (talk • contribs) 05:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Scribbles by the The Scribbler: Dude, your first edit is asking how to change the name -- just make a new account. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:53, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

(ec)Looks like you've since found Misplaced Pages:Changing username/Simple, so you should be sorted. Rojomoke (talk) 05:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Jon Doscher

Hi

It is my intention to resubmit this declined article and I have made further edits as suggested by the reviewer. Jon Doscher is a filmmaker and had a Misplaced Pages article from April 2010 to its deletion in March of this year - . He came seeking my help to have the article reinstated because his current article only redirects to his film 4Chosen: The Documentary. It is my opinion that he meets the notability criteria for a filmmaker as detailed on WP:FILMMAKER I have rewritten and re-referenced the present draft.

Does any editor have any further comments/suggestions they might care to offer before my re-submission of this article. Gibmul (talk) 09:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Apart from anything else, you need to get rid of the numerous misplaced external links. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Very flimsy references - none I looked at had substantial content about Doscher. And the article has too many name-drops. Mentioning notable people Doscher has had an interaction with does not make him notable. David notMD (talk) 10:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Remove any references to IMDb which, because it contains user contributed content, is not a considered a reliable source. Gab4gab (talk) 13:43, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

help

Please help me in improving this artical It is having references please help Jahnavi Ellore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamheentity (talk • contribs) 14:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Iamheentity: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Based on the deletion discussion, where you may want to comment, there does not seem to be independent reliable sources that have extensive coverage of this actress, and she would not seem to meet the notability guidelines written at WP:NACTOR. If you have independent sources that have chosen to write extensively about this person, please offer them. 331dot (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@331dot: Apoorva (actress) what about this page can you help Iamheentity (talk) 14:19, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Iamheentity: My knowledge in that subject area is limited, but that article appears to have the same issues as your first. You should review the notability guideline I link to above, and find independent sources with significant coverage of the person(not just press releases, brief mentions, or routine announcements).

As you seem to be getting an idea of, successfully creating an article is very difficult, probably the most difficult thing to do on Misplaced Pages. I might suggest that you step back from creating articles and take some time to get a better idea of how Misplaced Pages works and what is being looked for in articles. I think you may want to do this new user tutorial which will provide much information to you. Reading Your First Article will also help you. 331dot (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Please help me in improving this actical Vinay kuyya(channel) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamheentity (talk • contribs) 14:26, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Iamheentity: Again, the same issues as your first two articles mentioned here. You need proper sources. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The source i lrovided is from times of india and deccan Chronicle and they are independent. Iamheentity (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

That might be, but those sources only provide a routine, brief mention. The Times of India story mentions a warning by police, something which police all over the world do every day with tens of thousands of people and organizations. That is not the significant, in depth coverage required to establish notability. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

One of the continuing situations with English WP is that its articles are from people using English as their primary language from sources that are primarily in English. There are many significant topics and people in the world that are unable to be qualified as notable when those that are deem something qualified do not know the non-English language. India is a very large nation with many different cultures the qualities of which can to varying amounts with many other nations and societies. As an example, the film and other entertainment industries. There are actors with a greater following than some English speaking actors yet their careers cannot be justified in the English WP because the sources are not in English and therefor cannot be evaluated as qualified because those that do that within WP do not know or understand the source or its quality or significance. That is not a negative statement on any one in WP but that it has its limitations. Unfortunately, some English communicating people think that the lack of English language sources is a judgment on the significance of the subject or person. I hope that this explains what may be encountered in this situation. One thing that would help the English WP is getting to know the levels of non-English sources common in India especially there being so many different languages and cultures..2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC:That is an extremely unhelpful and incorrect reply sources do NOT have to be in English and the suitability of sources is in no way connected to the language they are written in. Theroadislong (talk) 17:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

That is not what I said and any characterisation as such is not unexpected. The respondent is using what is available. That does not seem to be acceptable. No one can deny that in India there are many things that are just as significant as in other places of the world but if those that judge what is an acceptable source are limited in their language choises then how can people who rely on English or western language based sources judge non-western language sources if they cannot be evaluated. Also, if significant sources in a non-English language are not understandable to those who communicate in English such as book publishes and communication mediums such as newspapers, journals etc then just how are Indian topics of significance to become known to the world when they are trapped in non-western languages. Like I said, I do not expect for anyone that is not up for a critical review of their weltenschaunng to understand this or accept it as anything other than an attack. I am not here to pick a fight with anyone and anyone who thinks it as an attempt at a fight are wasting energy. Knowledge can be controlled by what is available. Translation is not instantaneous and those things that are not translated may be lost to someone whose only communication is in one language. Thank goodness there are people in the world that communicate in many languages, translate and make known things of one language in another. English WP will always suffer from content that is suitable for it based on its significance but you cannot judge that significance if it is not in English and all you communicate in is English. No one ever writes a doctoral statement on a subject such as Russian literature without knowing how in some form being able to communicate in that language to some degree even if all it means is that they can translate and not compose. Yes, a subject matter may be popular enough in a language other than its primary but then for years the translations of Mesopotamian clay tables said to be love poems that were studied and in reality financial accounts.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Sad

Please, I want the information beacause yesterday i did some hand info on Hurricane Maria (2017). Regards Chickeo 14:39, 16 September 2018 (UTC) Please. 4 hours rest before dissipated florence. Maria celebrated 1 year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickeo (talk • contribs) 14:48, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Chickeo: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not really sure what it is that you are asking. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Excuse-me, Hand info is the info every day, Hurricanes, Sports, Records, Others. Yesterday, in teahouse i did a vandalism for Maria for 1 year. Regards. Chickeo 14:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Chickeo: I still do not understand what it is you are asking. The purpose of this page is to ask questions about using Misplaced Pages. Do you have a question about using Misplaced Pages? 331dot (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

What is "Hand info"?2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 15:40, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Welcome. Yes. 331dot. Hand info is thé info every day with a hand, Hurricanes, Sports, Other. Regards. Chickeo 17:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

IMO, Chickeo does not appear to be here to contribute to Misplaced Pages, as contributions to date mostly (all?) own User page, Teahouse, other editors' Talk. David notMD (talk) 17:05, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

So WP had on its hands a registered user name apparently seeking to accomplish something other than contributing to WP in a more socially beneficial way. I guess he just should have left his user indentification his IP so that just what was his intention could have been detected sooner.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

That is irrelevant to this matter. Constantly bringing this up is bordering on WP:POINT. Please stop. 331dot (talk) 18:11, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Seconded. If you feel that unregistered editors are treated unfairly, there are more appropriate venues to discuss that. The Teahouse is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Misplaced Pages. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

And where would those avenues be? Thank you.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 19:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

If you have specific proposals, a good place to start would be Misplaced Pages:Village pump. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Redirect

Is redirecting a semi automated edit.--PATH SLOPU 15:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean semi-automatic? Automatically accepted? All edits in WP are subject to consensus. If that did not hit the mark please advise with appropriate details. I hate when things intended do not solve themselves.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 15:36, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

2605:E000... if you do not understand the question please do not try to answer it. Please just ignore it and let someone else handle it. Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Path slopu it can be semi-auto, for example when a page is moved a redirect is usually automatically created at the original location. A redirect can also be created manually. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Uploading a new version of a picture?

Right place for a question about Wikimedia? OK? There is a nice photo by user Wrongfilter:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Oort-birthplace-Franeker.jpg, but unfortunately it has a distorted perspective. Since it is licensed CC BY SA 3.0 I wanted to correct the perspective and I uploaded it as a new version. But unfortunately it didn't show up and I was unable to return to the first version. What did I wrong? Thanks! R a mueller (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Did you try to revert your previous action?2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

R a mueller the file history here shows that you uploaded the changed image but then reverted to the original version. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:10, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

What is the point of an ediying process

Is it not the point of the talk page and the projects pages to draw from the WP comments and building consensus in order to reach that star quality that articles seek to be evaluated? Then TheOldJacobite makes an edit it is not reverted especially if in the plot and when any one else does the ubiquitous ":not an improvement" is supplied even when the issue has been brought to the talk age. It seems that this editor believes that it is not necessary to follow the WP guidelines of using the talk page to reach consensus. I have been told that despite the call to discuss the matter on the talk page that i must provide the basis that the new plot is an improvement if only for the reason that it is more concise. At least I have brought to both the talk page and the

This is not the forum to lodge complaints about another editors conduct. That said, the editor you mention gave a reason for their reversion in both the edit summary and on the article talk page. If you disagree with it, it is indeed up to you to demonstrate your changes would be an improvement and discuss the matter with other interested editors to achieve a consensus. If discussion fails to resolve the matter, there are dispute resolution processes available for use. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

How are people to read the changes when they have been edited out of the article? That is the point of calling a halt to changes and discussing the item on the talk page. The editor in question is not abiding by WP standards. That is imposing their will on the entire WP community.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 15:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

All changes to an article are saved in its edit history; you can link to specific edits by selecting them in the edit history and copy/pasting the link to them. If another editor is edit warring, that can be reported to WP:ANEW(though your own edits will be examined as well). 331dot (talk) 15:45, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately not everyone performs due diligence and find what is needed to understand what is in question. Otherwise there never would have been allegations issued. Sometimes, it seems that it is rather difficult for some things to be accepted and incorrect information reinstated by reverts.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 16:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

This guy has been pestering TheOldJacobite under multiple IPs. For that, he should be blocked. Binksternet (talk) 15:47, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

You seem to be under the impression that I have control over my user identifier on WP. I use my IP. It is issued by my provider. I edit only a few things on WP. One of them is film plots. TheOldJacobite seems to have a very intense control over this area of editing. You really should understand a situation before calling for unfortunate actions. IP addresses are an endorsed means if identification on WP and to say that there is something wrong with that type of identification is erroneous on any one that believes so although you may have encountered people using IP's doing rather unwanted things on WP. OH, it was not my idea to erase and thwart film page discussions by erasing the posts from WP talk pages. TheOldJacobite did that on his own. This can be reviewed in the archives of the TeaHouse. If you have any other concerns please advise. 2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Binksternet, you really should disclose that you have a personal dislike of style of those on WP that do not use a "registered" name and therefore are not logged into WP by a registered name. Computer technology is at a point that use of a registered name or even being logged into WP will prevent people from doing unwanted things on the system. To advocate that would give a false impression of security. I can understand that this will not make you any more receptive to the status quo but that is an issue that must be overcome in time. I have no control over your thought process.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 16:32, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

You have been WP:HOUNDING TheOldJacobite, which is the point I was making. For instance, without any proof you accused him of bad behavior, you post childish taunts, you called him a bully here, and you have repeatedly called for limits on him. You are wasting the project's time with this nonsense. Binksternet (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I am not here to pick a fight but it might be said that when someone jumps to a conclusion without due diligence then their judgement is questioned. When someone says something should be done merely because they do not agree with what is happening is not a legitimate conclusion. Yet when that judgement is questioned it is all the more easier to convince others that it is merely for picking a fight instead of resolving the issue. You called for someone to be blocked merely for IP =use without getting a better understanding of just what was going on. Or do you always come to the decision to block someone just because of IP use? I would believe that use of multiple user names, even registered user names is fir actions that others at WP do not find consistent with the intent of WP. That seemed to be lacking in your call to banishment. I cannot tell just what was the intent of your call to action because I do not know you or agree that IP user identifications should be banished from WP. At best for your purpose of banishment would not be served by edits that are not fraudulent.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 18:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Limits? Following standards and processes are limits? Of course you always have the option to disregard comments made in the TeaHouse. I do not compel you to respond to anything. That is up to you. I do not have to confer on you that right or responsibility. Again what you may not like is not an automatic justification to thwart others although it may be the most convenient to create the atmosphere desired.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 18:32, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Binksternet--You want evidence? Well, it is somewhere here (https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:2605:E000:9143:7000:3832:5234:5BA4:7DB6) in February but for whatever reason there have been text deletions although the history of an action remains. As I post I did not want to make an issue of TheOldJacobite's actions but if others want to join in on his defense without regard to what have been his own actions then I guess you all subject yourself to the results and any potential ridicule of your judgment. His deletion on talk

Binkternet--Youyare in luck thanks to the help of the WP community: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_725#Citations_for_Film_Plots. Like I advised TOJ long ago. I did not want to make an issue of what it is that I edit: film plots, and errors at spelling, grammar and fact. Yet it seems every time I go to edit a film plot there goes TOJ reverting with the edit summary (when on occassion provided) "not an improvement". But can every edit done to film plots not be an improvement? But to show what may be vindictiveness of some WP editors they latch onto a user name and they seem to revert every film article plot edit associated with it yet seem to miss a few because maybe they were functioning in in high speed mode? What, for some unstated reason one plot edit is not as agregious as another in the same plot? Not a negative statement--just a reflection on the situation. I understand you may not like that because it does not make you look good. But if you want to challenge people this is what may happen. Yes, I know this may not bt the appropriate WP section for this but sometimes you have to take the opportunity presented. You cannot throw tour cocktail into someone face and not expect to be slugged. Personally, you have already committed the assault and all I have to do is call the police and file a report anmd let the court system deal with it and you have a complaint record. I may be simple but I am not stupid.2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 13:23, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Not to be confused with/This article is about

How do you add a "Not to be confused with" or "This article is about" paragraph to the top of an articles page?

For example

The Office (U.S. TV series) has this written at the top of it's article page:

"Not to be confused with The Office (UK TV series) or The Office (1995 TV series)."

However in source mode it looks like this:

{{distinguish|The Office (UK TV series)|The Office (1995 TV series)}}

Jericho (2006 TV series) has this written at the top of it's article page:

"This article is about the 2006 CBS television drama. For the 2005 ITV British television drama, see Jericho (UK TV series). For the 2016 ITV British television drama, see Jericho (2016 TV series)."

However in source mode it looks like this:

{{About|the 2006 CBS television drama|the 2005 ITV British television drama|Jericho (UK TV series)|the 2016 ITV British television drama|Jericho (2016 TV series)}}

Can I just copy one of the above templates, paste them at the top of the page I want to distinguish, and change the article pages? Danstarr69 (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Cut and paste is not prohibited from WP but do make certain that what is done is what is needed since it is not too difficult to apply what is pasted to many places and then have to br edited due to a mistake. Make certain to do a preview to make certain it is what is needed.2605:E000:1301:4462:8C64:A6E3:E51C:CFEC (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Just FYI: Directions for using the templates can be found at Template:About and Template:Distinguish. Those and other useful hatnote templates are listed at Misplaced Pages:Hatnote#Hatnote templates. Choose the appropriate template for the form of hatnote you want. Deor (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm trying to add this <nowiki>

<nowiki> to the LIFE Church UK page, and the opposite to the Life.Church page, but you can see the square brackets for some reason, as well as a mysterious colon. Where am I going wrong? Danstarr69 (talk) 17:25, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The square brackets around Life.Church are not required. Theroadislong (talk) 17:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

How to make the references not be separate?

Hi, i would like to know how to make the references do the a b c d thing on my Draft:Twilight (1837 steamboat). Thanks. ~HuffSlush~ 17:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC) Huff slush7264

Welcome to the Teahouse, Huff slush7264. You accomplish that by giving the fully defined reference a name, and then invoking that name whenever you are using that reference again. You have to be careful about the syntax of the coding. You can find the details at Footnotes: using a source more than once. Cullen Let's discuss it 17:26, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Question

How to block a Misplaced Pages user? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:418D:4922:791:F957:6A77:4E68 (talk) 17:50, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Only administrators can block a user. What is the issue? 331dot (talk) 17:54, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The reasons for an administrator to block an editor are shown atWP:Blocking policy. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

First ever edit, and that is your question? David notMD (talk) 23:28, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive administrator - what to do?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

In recent days, a specific administrator has, in my view, been performing some disruptive edits.

I will not name the administrator here, because the purpose of my post is not to embarrass them but is rather to ask other Wikipedians for advice about how to best respond to the situation. Unfortunately, their identity will be obvious from the diffs, and I am not aware of any way to avoid this.

Examples include (but are not limited to):

1. I created a redirect from Master locksmiths association to Master Locksmiths Association per WP:RPURPOSE. (The former is simply the lower case orthography of the latter, but because MediaWiki is case-sensitive, it regards the two as different pages, so without the redirect, a user visiting the former page might never learn that the latter page exists.) Despite the redirect's accordance with Misplaced Pages guidelines, and despite the fact that the typo is very plausible (because it is just the lower-cased version of the original article's title, and because most people do not use capital letters when searching websites), the administrator deleted the redirect as WP:CSD#R3 ("Implausible typos").
2. In this edit and this edit, the administrator overrode a WP:BLP objection to the inclusion of an unsourced claim about a living person. Neither of the administrator's edit summaries included an explanation of why they believed WP:BLP to be inapplicable, and the second one rather uncollegially dismissed my concern as "nonsense".
3. In this edit, the administrator changed the meaning of a sentence from being true and in accordance with the cited source, to being false and not in accordance with the cited source. The administrator also marked that edit as minor, despite the fact that WP:MINOR says, "Any change that affects the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it concerns a single word".
4. The administrator marked as "minor" this edit which added a visible template to an article, despite WP:MINOR#When_not_to_mark_as_minor_changes, which states that "Adding or removing visible tags or other templates in an article" should not be marked as minor.

The edits have the following things in common:

• they involve either reverting my work, dismissing my concerns without providing justification, or adding non-minor changes to pages that I have edited, under the guise of "minor" changes;
• they concern pages to which the administrator had never previously contributed, and which they only started editing following this interaction in which I called them out for being not WP:NICE (following which they blanked the page).

As such, this feels to me like a plausible case of WP:WIKIHOUNDING, albeit in early stages.

I would like the administrator to stop making disruptive edits, and I would like the WP:WIKIHOUNDING to stop now, lest it worsen. Fellow editors, and uninvolved admins, I would appreciate your advice. Zazpot (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I would note (as stated at the top of its page) that WP:MINOR is not a formal policy or guideline, but merely information. Also note that WP:MINOR states "Administrators and rollbackers can semi-automatically revert the edits of the last editor of a page; all such rollback reversions are marked as minor by the wiki software." 331dot (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I would also state that I don't think you are being singled out per se- it's not as if once the user in question interacts with you, they can never do so again. If you wish to pursue some sort of grievance against the user, you can do so at WP:ANI, though be aware that you must inform that person of the discussion and your own actions will be examined as well. 331dot (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

331dot, the significance of minor edits is that, because they don't show up in some editors' watchlists, they are less likely to be noticed. (In the worst case, an editor might see my "major" edit as having been the most recent one, despite the fact that a subsequent "minor" edit exists that has changed the meaning of the text. I.e. they may, if in haste, mis-attribute the erroneous content to me.)

As for your point about semi-automated edits: it doesn't look to me as though the non-minor "minor" edits I mentioned above would have fallen into that category. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Thanks for the reminder about WP:ANI. Unfortunately, I can't guarantee a block of time to devote to this, so ANI doesn't seem a viable venue. If avoiding the hounding comes to a choice between not editing or having to take them to ANI, I'd therefore probably just have to just stop editing. This would be pretty upsetting, frankly. That's essentially why I came to the Teahouse, to look for more manageable approaches. Zazpot (talk) 18:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I would certainly encourage you to take in some other opinions and not just rely on me before making a decision. 331dot (talk) 18:18, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and agreed. I will probably put Misplaced Pages aside for a few days, before coming back here to see what others may have suggested in the meantime. Zazpot (talk) 18:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Zazpot, this is a help forum for newer editors to ask about how to do things on Misplaced Pages. Despite you not directly naming the involved editor (and her status as an an administrator is irrelevant here, as she performed no adminstrative tasks), the diffs you've added clear identify them, and you are accusing them of a serious policy violation. That belongs at a noticeboard, not here. I see no policy violation (IMO), but rather a content dispute. Content disputes should be discussed on the talk page of the affected article, not user talk pages. Administrators have as much right to edit in a normal fashion on any article as any other editor. Their administrative role only becomes an issue if they perform adminstrative action (block, page protection) on an article where they are actively involved as an editor. See WP:INVOLVED. Warnings are not administrative actions. Checking another editor's contributions is not administrative actions. You want advice? Talk it out. John from Idegon (talk) 19:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Zazpot: I second what has been stated by John from Idegon in regards to these being serious allegations in an inappropriate forum. I recommend that the advice of both John and 331dot be taken into consideration. If you do not wish to talk it out, then WP:ANI is the appropriate venue to take this to, the Teahouse is not. Before filing at ANI (if that does become your chosen route, I would recommend reviewing Misplaced Pages:BOOMERANG; that is not to imply anything against you or a comment about whether or not it would happen in this case, just an essay to be aware of as it does ring true in a lot of cases (just like at ArbCom, ANI can blow up in ones face if one is not careful). --TheSandDoctor 19:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@John from Idegon: @TheSandDoctor:, thanks, but WP:ANI says that it is for "urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems", and that if unsure whether to post there, asking at the Teahouse is recommended. As such, the Teahouse does seem to be an appropriate venue for this discussion.

On John from Idegon's remarks about the relevance or not of the editor's status as an administrator, I agree that Administrators have as much right to edit in a normal fashion on any article as any other editor, and I was not suggesting otherwise, nor was I alleging WP:TOOLMISUSE. However, the editor's administrative status is relevant to this discussion, because:

• administrators should be held to the highest standards in their editing;
• raising a concern about an administrator is arguably a "bigger deal" than doing so about a non-admin editor; and
• administrators might well tend to support each other (even with the best will in the world), in the case of a concern being expressed, making it harder for a concern about an administrator to receive an unbiased hearing from other administrators, e.g. at WP:ANI.

Also, as can be seen from the diffs (or from later diffs in the edit histories), I have indeed tried to Talk it out on a case-by-case basis, in each instance. This is not necessarily sustainable though, hence my starting this thread.

Anyhow, thanks for the suggestions, I do appreciate the effort to help. Zazpot (talk) 21:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Zazpot: You ask "what to do?" - I'd say "nothing" as you have no grounds for complaint. Having used the Editor Interaction Analyser Tool, and checking the edits made by you and the person you have accused here of Wikihounding you, I see nothing to suggest anything of the sort. I would certainly advise against going to WP:ANI, and I feel the subject title of your post is not at all justified. What disruptiveness do you perceive? You've shown no evidence of it at all. That the two of you have had slight disagreements over what is and what is not notable, and that you have both made very minor errors of judgement is self-evident. We all do that. There's no disruption or hounding here that I can see, and your sensitivity expressed here could indeed boomerang and be interpreted very differently were you to choose to pursue it. To avoid lengthening this somewhat pointless thread any further, I've collapsed my more detailed observations on your concerns and your diffs below. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

A question about Talk:Jeon_Jung-kook

Hello. I previously asked about two articles being created for the same artist here in The Teahouse (see here). Recently Talk:Jeon_Jung-kook was approved as a redirect that ends in BTS probably because it's start-class. Just a day before I wrote to the creator and we were in discussion to work together to merge and improve our articles just before hers was approved. What I wanted to ask is can I merge my work draft:Jungkook with hers? What should I do considering it would be more appropriate for the artist to have his article under his stage name instead of full name knowing there's no other Jungkook on Misplaced Pages.

Is it possible for her to change her approved draft to "Jungkook"? I hope we can have some help in how to solve this. Thank you and I'm sorry for disturbing here so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GiovannaG (talk • contribs) 18:24, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Creation of an entry (or article): 'Akihiro Yamada - Misplaced Pages'

Dear Administrative Editors,

I am glad to find online a Japanese entry about me: ‘山田昭廣 - Misplaced Pages’. However, I think that an English entry would be of more use since I am a specialist of English literature, especially Shakespeare.

I know that I am not entitled to create it myself, so I wish you to be a host for the English entry titled ‘Akihiro Yamada – Misplaced Pages’ on your website. What I would like to state in it is very short and the text would run as follows:

Akihiro Yamada (born 1929 in Nagoya) is a Japanese scholar specializing in English literature and bibliography. He published some twenty books on Shakespeare and his contemporaries. For further information, visit him at http://researchmap.jp/yamada-akihiro-6002/?lang=english

Thank you. With best wishes. 124.40.70.66 (talk) 18:25, 16 September 2018 (UTC)Akichan Yamada

Welcome to Teahouse. I'm glad you know that creating an article about ones own self is not considered appropriate. However, remember Teahouse is a place to ask questions related to editing on Misplaced Pages, and not suggestions about creating an article. If you are a notable person, someone else interested in this subject will probably create an article about you. Getting an article about yourself is not something to be proud of, since Misplaced Pages is merely an encyclopedia developed to help people know more about a particular subject. Thanks - Knightrises10 (talk) 18:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Also this Anwser on Quora about having a Misplaced Pages article, I think is a good read. –Ammarpad (talk) 06:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Heading in list not working

List of noise musicians — can anyone more familiar with WP markup fix the "A" heading? RoseCherry64 (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

RoseCherry64. Welcome to the Teahouse. I have fixed the heading for you, two curly brackets had gone astray. Theroadislong (talk) 20:46, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! RoseCherry64 (talk) 20:50, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Theroadislong: It seems like that was intended for formatting reasons, not stray brackets. Having a Template:Columns-list without anything in it is pointless. RoseCherry64 (talk) 20:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@RoseCherry64: Yes, it seems the actual problem is that you can't start {{columns-list}} with a header – probably some parser quirk. You can fix it by inserting some body text before the ==A==, but I don't think using columns like this is the convention in lists, so if I were you I'd just leave it out. – Joe (talk) 21:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

I fixed it by using Template:Div col for every header, which should be more stylistically coherent? It's what List of progressive rock artists uses, at least. RoseCherry64 (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Simultaneously unrelated and related question: Would it be considered gaudy to add {{Citation needed}} to every unsourced entry on the list? I've cleaned it up a bunch (it had zero references earlier today). RoseCherry64 (talk) 21:29, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The Third Man film

Why does not your Misplaced Pages entry about this 1949 film plot include information about the trafficking of ineffective antibiotics during that time period in Western Europe? Wasn't that the whole, entire reason that people doing these dirty deeds disappeared, were murdered, turned up dead, et al? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3754:6610:5A6:DCD4:F53B:1DA2 (talk) 22:34, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Welcome, and thanks for your question here at the Teahouse. Yours is the type of question best left on the talk page of the article concerned, rather than here where we assist other users who encounter difficulties editing or using Misplaced Pages. That said, the plot summary of The Third Man does actually contain the following sentences: "...Calloway reluctantly reveals that Lime had been stealing penicillin from military hospitals, and selling it on the black market diluted so much that many patients died. In postwar Vienna, antibiotics were new and scarce outside military hospitals and commanded a very high price. Calloway's evidence convinces Martins. Disillusioned, he agrees to leave Vienna."

If there is another Misplaced Pages page whose title or content shows it clearly relates to the topic of trafficking of ineffective antibiotics at that time period, you would be very welcome to add a link in the 'See also' section, just before the References. It would not, however, be appropriate in my view to add any more than that, or we'd have every film article having a historical and social context section of their own. Does this sound a reasonable reply? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

There is a difference between mention as part of the plot of a film and what the literature on the subject may say for a subject article. A film plot is what is from the film plot--is not a history lesson and not an academic paper. A subject article can be whatever is found in the sources that fit what is qualified by WP.2605:E000:1301:4462:EC3E:AE50:96D8:6F9 (talk) 03:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

alternate usernames?

Not sure if that's the correct term — but I see some users sign their talk page comments with <two left brackets>User:NAME X|'start span tag' NAME Y 'end span tag'<two right brackets>. Where are instructions on the various mechanisms available for making such alternative usernames? Are there variants on 4 tildes or other shortcuts used to invoke this alternative 'signing' mechanism? thx, Humanengr (talk) 22:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Humanengr. See Misplaced Pages:Signatures#Customizing your signature. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Finding a bot

Are there bots on Misplaced Pages that can update stats on my userpage? CoolSkittle (talk) 23:17, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@CoolSkittle: You may program one by yourself. —AE (talk • contributions) 01:54, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

CoolSkittle and Abelmoschus Esculentus, please be aware that all bots must be approved by the Bot Approvals Group. Cullen Let's discuss it 02:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

New To Misplaced Pages - Some Advice?

I'm new to Misplaced Pages. I've done a few edits, but the most I've received was (probably) an automatic message thanking me for my first edit. I'm not angry or anything (actually, I think an automatic welcome bot can be a good idea for places like this). I think I've tried to embrace the idea of a "bold edit" and I also contributed some thoughts on a talk page for an article. I guess I'm just hoping that I can get some sort of feedback - am I doing everything right? If I'm making mistakes, how do I fix them? Is there anything else I should know as a new Misplaced Pages user? Clovermoss (talk) 02:16, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Clovermoss and welcome to the Teahouse! Automatic welcoming bot isn't a good idea. Welcome messages from a bot are impersonal and cold, which is much worse than a welcome message by a human Misplaced Pages user. Also, the bot may accidentally welcome vandals or trolls which may become the motivation of them to vandalise.

Yes, your contributions are fine. Keep it up! You may read various policies, guidelines and essays listed here and here. Happy editing —AE (talk • contributions) 02:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I totally get what you mean by robots making it easy to sound cold and impersonal. I didn't mean that I thought welcoming should be solely an automatic process, but just that it might be useful to have an automatic welcome before a human can actually get in touch. I thought I should just clarify what I meant by that. Also, thank you so much for your reassurance! I kept trying to read all the links I could find from the initial notification and double-check and such, but there's just so many links I was kind of scared that I was going to miss something vital. I can see the links you sent being useful, especially since they're concise, informative, and easy to access. Sorry for my block of text, but I also have another question. What are the different ways people can (or usually choose) when contributing to Misplaced Pages? I got to learn a bit about templates through one of the links, and I've seen references to backlogs, but I'm going to take a wild guess and say that those are usually used more often with experienced users and there are usually different paths that new users take edit-wise, at least initially? Clovermoss (talk) 02:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Clovermoss. Welcome to Misplaced Pages and to our Teahouse. We're here to help (mainly new) editors with any difficulties they encounter. You have started off exactly as we advise so many newcomers to begin. You've started slowly, making a couple of typo corrections and altered capitalisation, then you engaged with another user on a talk page to raise concerns over the meaning to be inferred in an article. What better could we ask for? In time, you'll want to make bigger and bolder changes, supporting each with evidence (citations) where necessary. If you do make mistakes, other editors may revert your edits, but don't be upset or reinstate them - chat to the editor and discuss any concerns. You might like to try The Misplaced Pages Adventure which is a fun way to learn some of the basics, gaining up to 15 badges along the way. Before you get around to creating a new page (it took me 9 months before I felt confident enough to do that!), bear in mind you have your personal sandbox (link at very top of the page). You can also work on draft articles in what we call 'draftspace' and submit them for review and feedback - which is the ideal way to go. Learn more at Misplaced Pages:Your first article. I've left a welcome and some useful links on your Talk Page. We do have our own special bot that also sends out a welcome message from the Teahouse, but that normally kicks in after a few more edits than you've made so far.

As suggested above, we do have a ton of policies and guidelines that editors to this amazing encyclopaedia are expected to follow. But let's just get you started and you can discover detailed stuff like WP:MOS (yes, we do love our hyperlinked shortcuts and acronyms here!) in due course, Just shout if you want feedback or advice on anything you get stuck with. Best wishes at the very start of your own personal Misplaced Pages adventure! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 02:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, yet again! Honestly, reading 'what better could we ask for?' made me feel a rush of pride. I'm going to try my best not to make mistakes, but it's nice to know how things work here and how to discuss them. In regards to sandboxes, I created one earlier but I'm not exactly sure how to use it for when I decide to (writing articles sounds cool, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that yet). If I do end up writing an article though, and I 'draft' it in my sandbox (would it be like the basic page editing everywhere else - save but it isn't actually a 'published' thing?) how would I make it not a draft, when it came to that point? I still don't know if I'll even get to that point, and it probably won't be for a while, but I like knowing answers to stuff like that just in case I do need it. Clovermoss (talk) 02:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I have some other questions too, now. I've been going through the tutorials involved in the Misplaced Pages adventure, and I'm kind of stuck at a certain point. It's where your supposed to use wikilinks in regards to stuff like circumference on the tutorial Earth article in Mission 7. I think I was doing it right, but I don't know because I got to the point where it'd let ask me to write 'added relevant wikilinks' or something like that in the summary box and hit publish... I do that and then nothing happens. I wrote the same message they said to put in the summary box about three times, so I'm guessing I'm probably doing something wrong with the tutorial part itself. The problem is, I don't know what that "something wrong" would be. Anyone here have any suggestions for what I should do? Clovermoss (talk) 04:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Clovermoss, usually you'd want to create your draft not directly in your sandbox, but on a "subpage", basically a standalone page associated with your userspace area. This is to make it easier to just move the page into a normal article when you're done with it. There's a tool to help you with creating a draft that way at Help:Userspace draft, you can just type the title into the bar and it should make a draft page for you. You can also make your draft in "draftspace" instead of "userspace"—there's more information on that at Misplaced Pages:Drafts, along with another bar-widget thing.

As for how to make your draft article a normal article, you can either move it yourself or submit it to the Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation process, where it will be reviewed by an experienced editor, though this may take around 2 months due to high demand. You can move pages using Special:Movepage/<pagename>, like Special:MovePage/User:Clovermoss/sandbox, and it'll ask you to select a destination.

About the difference between a draft and a live article, it is essentially the same editing process. Drafts are generally less strict on certain specific content policies such as Notability because it is understood that they are a work in progress, but otherwise it's basically the same. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

About adding wikilinks in TWA, it looks like you've done that fine here. If it's not showing up on your end, it's probably a glitch. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi again, Clovermoss. The Misplaced Pages Adventure can be a bit glitchy. I cant test it for you right now as I'm currently on a mobile - and its not designed to work on them (hence the warning notice at the start). That said, I remember getting stuck and finding the only way to continue was to scroll right to the bottom of the page where I spotted a popup box in which to enter the next required bit of data. So do have a good look round the page and see if that will set you off on your way again. Regarding the use of a sandbox, you can, if you wish, treat it just like a scrap pad in which you add notes, ideas and bits of information as part of your planning process to eventually create a new article. I've got half a dozen or more on the go right now, like User:Nick Moyes/sandbox/S41 that's over a year old and still just random jottings. Had it been made as a proper draft, it would've been deleted after six months with no activity. So sandboxes are a great place to slowly compile your thoughts, references and statements that you might eventually want to turn into a better draft or turn directly into an article. In contrast, User:Nick Moyes/sandbox/Gouter is almost complete and nearly ready to go. Meanwhile, another page I've been working on as a proper draft (see Draft:National Pollinator Strategy still needs more work, but I make sure I stay working in it so that it doesnt time-expire and get deleted. Hope this helps a bit more. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

It does! Thank you very much! Clovermoss (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Revising a moved link

Hi All, I brought vanilla wafers if anyone's interested in a little munch to go along with their cuppa. I've updated a link from

    cite web|
    last1=Glaser|
    first1=Kyle|
    title=Carolina League To Add Two Franchises In 2017|
    url=http://www.baseballamerica.com/business/carolina-league-will-add-two-franchises-2017/#zV3GaHcbMbU1IDIR.97%7C
    website=BaseballAmerica.com|
    accessdate=23 August 2016

to

    cite web|
    last1=Glaser|
    first1=Kyle|
    title=Carolina League To Add Two Franchises In 2017|
    url=https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/carolina-league-to-add-two-franchises-in-2017/%7C
    website=BaseballAmerica.com|
    accessdate=16 September 2018

Is it either required or preferred that a mention of the original link be made? If so, how? thanks! Dumboldboy (talk) 03:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dumboldboy! If the new link is the correct link is the correct one (and its contents support the material in the Misplaced Pages article), I don't think you need to mention the old link anywhere. People can always find it in the article's Page History. rchard2scout (talk) 10:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Rchard2scout - I really do appreciate all the mentoring I've received from this village Called Wiki Dumboldboy (talk) 12:27, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Inquiry for the suitable subject

Hello, It is sub-article for Trump-Kim summit: under aftermath, Please refer to the related summary information below and let me know suitable subjects below.

• Possible subjects:
• Delay in peace declaration leads to hostile rhetoric.
• Inside the dispute delaying resolution of the nuclear issues.

On August 29th, the Atlantic reported on an interview with Moon Chung In who is the special envoy from South Korea. His understanding is that the diplomatic team of Mike Pompeo is having difficulties discussing with the defense team National Security Adviser John Bolton; This divided stance between the US Diplomatic team and the US defense team may have played a significant role in the delay of the signing of the promised peace declaration. Diplomatic Team Secretary Mike Pompeo is strongly in favor of adhering to the agreement set out in the summit, whereas John Bolton insists that a complete denuclearization of the DPRK must be established first before a peace treaty can be formally imposed and thereby ending the Korean War. Also on August 29th, The Hill reported on the U.S. presidents verbal agreement with DPRK to end the Korean War, on both the June 1st meeting at the White House, and during the Summit held in Singapore. However, soon after the Summit meeting, the U.S. demanded denuclearization from North Korea before signing on the Peace Declaration document which eventually leads to an ever more hostile rhetoric from North Korea.

The deadlock above between U.S and DPRK was the repetitious events for over 25 years based on the report by USC Korean Studies Institute Director David. He summarized the previous efforts resolving the North Korea's nuclear and Military Challenge, there are several trials of agreement between the U.S. and North Korea in 1994 by Agreed Framework, 2005 and in 2007. The fundamental reason for the stalemate between the U.S. and North Korea's stance; the U.S. requested North Korea - “DPRK should disarm first; then we'll discuss security guarantees.” However, North Korea's position is - “we need the security guarantees from the United States first, then we will disarm. It appeared over 25 years ago, but it is happening again this year.

References

1. "Inside the Dispute Derailing Nuclear Talks With North Korea". Aug 29, 2018.
2. "Moon adviser says end-of-war declaration won't lead to pullout of U.S. troops". Aug 29, 2018.
3. "Moon's Adviser: War-Ending Declaration Will not Affect Alliance with US". Aug 30, 2018.
4. "Trump reportedly promised Kim Jong Un he'd sign a declaration ending the Korean War". Aug 29, 2018.
5. "Trump promised Kim Jong Un he'd sign an agreement to end the Korean War". Aug 29, 2018.
6. "Trump promised Kim he'd sign declaration ending Korean War at summit: report". Aug 29, 2018.
7. ""Prevented war with North Korea in 1994 – here's what needs to be done". .inews.co.uk. Archived from the original on 2017-09-10. Retrieved 2017-09-10. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
8. "Agreed Framework of 21 October 1994 Between the United States of America and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea" (PDF). IAEA. 2 November 1994. INFCIRC/457. Archived from the original (PDF) on 17 December 2003.
9. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKVNkh1KEhE |title= North Korea Beyond the Headlines Part 2: Dealing with North Korea's Military Challenge
10. International Institute for Strategic Studies (10 February 2004), North Korea's Weapons Programmes: A Net Assessment, Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 978-1-4039-3324-9, archived from the original on 11 March 2009, retrieved 2009-03-05 {{citation}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Goodtiming8871 (talk) 06:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Goodtiming8871. The purpose of the Teahouse is to answer questions about Misplaced Pages's policies and procedures, and the various techniques of editing. We do not get deeply involved in content issues, except as they relate directly to the purposes of the Teahouse. Content issues should be discussed on article talk pages, and there are various forms of dispute resolution available if you do not come to consensus there. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How can I become an administrator?

Hi I want to become an administrator .How can I become? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kigagan (talk • contribs) 09:46, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Kigagan: Hello and welcome. The process is described at WP:RFA. In general, however, you will need to build up an edit history that shows you generally understand Misplaced Pages guidelines and contribute positively to the encyclopedia, in order for the community to be convinced you merit possessing admin powers. This will likely take several years. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How to give warning to a Misplaced Pages user?

If a user cause disruption how can I give him warning?Can only administrators give warning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kigagan (talk • contribs) 09:54, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Any user may issue a warning. You may write one yourself on the user's talk page, or there are template warnings you can post, listed at WP:WARN. However, you may wish to take some time to learn more about Misplaced Pages. There is a new user tutorial you may find helpful. 331dot (talk) 09:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How to create a bot?

I want to know how to create a bot.And what is a ClueBot and SineBot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kigagan (talk • contribs) 10:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I think it's good that you seem so enthusiastic about participating here, but I would strongly suggest that you take the new user tutorial and spend some time learning about Misplaced Pages before you get into very advanced things like creating bots. I've been here for many years and I don't know how to create a bot. 331dot (talk) 10:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

ClueBot has retired. It used to detect and remove vandalism from articles, but has been superseded by ClueBot NG. You can read about ClueBot NG and SineBot on their user pages. Maproom (talk) 10:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

What are ClueBot,SineBot and HostBot

Hey I have seen them editing many articles and learnt that they are not humans ?Then who are they? (Kigagan) 17 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kigagan (talk • contribs)

Hi! You have told about this earlier too. According to WP:B, On Misplaced Pages, bots are computer-controlled user accounts performing various tasks in order to maintain the encyclopedia. Bots are used for many purposes, for instance removing obvious vandalism and archiving talk pages. All bots must be approved by a special group before they are put into use.. You may visit that page to know more. Similarly, visiting the userpages of those bots will tell you about their tasks. Thanks, Knightrises10 (talk) 10:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How to create a bot?

I want to create a bot at any cost.223.223.138.222 (talk) 10:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC) Thanks for asking a question at teahouse.But I would strongly suggest you to read tutorials and log in or create an account otherwise you won't be able to create a bot.Kigagan (talk) 10:42, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Why are you so desperate to create a bot? 331dot (talk) 10:43, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

First of all, creating a bot is not an easy task. It requires some experience in programming. Secondly, contributing to the encyclopedia constructively is way better. This is what Misplaced Pages was made for, right? Creating a bot won't make you be considered a great user, but contributing in building the encyclopedia will develop trust among other editors. Knightrises10 (talk) 10:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Help

Help me in improving this artical Nayeem(gangster) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamheentity (talk • contribs) 11:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Why does the full article coding not appear in the link?2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 11:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

You have tried to create an article on your User page User:Iamheentity/Nayeem, a common new user error. Your User page is for a brief description of your background and intent as an editor. I suggest your Sandbox for the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How do I search the archives of teahouse to locate previously answered questions ai have asked?

I am looking for a message string concerning film plots that due to my changing IP address I am unable to locate. Is there a way of bringing up a string of IP dresses within a certain range? Thank you.2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 11:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The first part of your IPv6 address doesn't change, so try putting 2605:E000:1301:4462 into the archive search box. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

or you can narrow it down further by using 2605:E000:1301:4462 film plot into your search. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

What about reviewing questions made as far back as February? Does anyone have the ability to delete discussions before they go to archive? And how does the search capaboility go if the word film plot does not appear in the title of the question?2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 11:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether the words appear in the title of the question, so long as they appear in the text of the thread. If they don't, then don't put them in the search string. If you want to be able to find discussions in which you take part but your IP address is changing, that is another advantage of using a registered account. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I would refrain from endorsing what is contrary to WP policy. Registered user names might be good for you but i have no need to go contary to WP policy when using it with my IP address even if that changes. How much of my IP number can be used in a teahouse archive search?2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 12:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

You can just try the start of the IP address. Only search whole groups like "2605:E000:1301:4462" or "2605:E000". We don't know exactly how your IP address changes or which posts are from you. If you use another Internet connection then the IP address may be completely different. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, IP editor. Why not simply try it for yourself and learn in the process? You're the one with the changing IP, so you're best placed to determine what doesn't change. It took me 10 seconds to find this by including part of your IPv6 address. Is that what you sought? Nick Moyes (talk) 12:40, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

If you're looking for a discussion in February, I found one in the revision history here, seemingly hit by revision delete. The actual contents appear to be untouched and can be found here. The archive it ended up in appears to be Misplaced Pages:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 725#Citations for Film Plots. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

That is exactly what I was seeking. Thank you. I will send the address to my provider as a reference records for any future use.. Again, thank you.

There are no useful user links at the top of my talk page.2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 11:43, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

David did not say they were at the top, because they aren't. They are at the bottom.You also should remember to log in before you post. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I am following WP endorse user policy. Log in? You seem to be under the impression that everyone has a "registered user" name. I use the endorsed WP IP address as my user identification and it is not necessary to log in especially if you are not a registered user name use of WP. I hope that you are not implying that all people that use WP need to have a registered user name and be logged in That is contrary to WP guidelines and endorsements. I can understand that you might have some issues with that user action but it i not contrary to WP, never should and would make WP all the more a closed network if that were imposed. That would be sad especially as WP is supported by tax deductible donations that if not paid to the state as taxes would certainly otherwise be used for the uses of the taxpaying public..2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 11:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

To 2605 - David B was answering Kigagan's question. Your query and responses are the previous section. David notMD (talk) 11:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

To the IP user, please consider this a final warning. Please stop bringing up your views on IP vs accounts on this page. It has already been suggested to you that you proceed to the proper forum to air any grievances you have about how IPs are treated or the benefits registering an account can have. I urge you to do so now. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Agree that this started to become disruptive a while ago, not just cooping unrelated threads into a discussion on the treatment of anonymous editors, but otherwise providing answers that are either wrong, or wrong rambling and off-topic. GMG 12:22, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I agree too. These constant pointy responses are tedious to read and are now becoming disruptive. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:45, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Creating a new page

Can someone please tell me from where I can start creating a new page? Kigagan (talk) 11:34, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

You could start by reading the useful links which have been placed on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How to block a Misplaced Pages user?

I want to know how to block a Misplaced Pages userKigagan (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Only administrators may block users. I will now ask you to take some time off from asking questions, and use the time to instead read some of the links posted on your user talk page, which will likely answer many of your questions. 331dot (talk) 12:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

There are no links posted on my talk page.Kigagan (talk) 12:39, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@Kigagan: It's a lie. There obviously are, right here: User talk:Kigagan#A belated welcome!. --CiaPan (talk) 12:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kigagan: Maybe you have biscuit-blindness? Go to User talk:Kigagan and read the post entitled 'A belated welcome'. This contains useful links for newcomers to read. I can send you a whole shed load more if you really want them! Nick Moyes (talk) 12:54, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

That was posted after the fact of drawing attention to their lacking. 2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 12:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

1. CiaPan: Lets not accuse people of lying. Thanks.
2. Anon, the links were posted on their talk page at 10:13 UTC. The thread here was opened two hours later at 12:31 UTC. Kindly refrain from providing unhelpful and/or wrong information here. GMG 13:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I apologise for not seeing the whole page.Sorry for that.I will surely read them. Please don't block me.Kigagan (talk) 13:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

No worries Kigagan. You may also want to consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Misplaced Pages Adventure, which can help better acquaint you with how things work on Misplaced Pages. As always, if you have any questions you've found the right place to ask them. GMG 13:03, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks GreenMeansGo#top.Kigagan (talk) 13:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Made an article in a snadbox - what's next?

Hello everyone,

I have just created my first article in an area which I know best - music industry in Lithuania. I wrote about one of the oldest local record label however quite soon got a message froma another user that he marked my article for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article. I do not feel like it is promotional because before writing it I read many record label websites on Misplaced Pages and also used patterns from those. So I filled the contest the deletion form. However since then nothing happens. Neither my article was deleted from a sandbox nor it is publicly seen aor nobady contacted me. Can you please help me to understand how it all works. Maybe I just do not know where to find the correspondence. Many thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skidpatch (talk • contribs) 13:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The speedy deletion request was deemed invalid by another editor, as you'll see from the history tab on your sandbox. If you wish the sandbox draft to proceed to being published as an article, you would need to provide references, as shown in WP:Referencing for beginners, and then submit it for review. Please read the advice at WP:Your first article. Before that you'll also need to address the point about conflict of interest and paid editing, see the message on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Question

If sometimes I forget to sign after writing in a user's talk page Who signs then? Kigagan (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey Kigagan. There is an automated program called SineBot that monitors pages for unsigned comments and adds them when the user has forgotten. GMG 15:08, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It's the SineBot. But it seems now you deliberately unsigned this time. Why don't you go through those links and start making some constructive edits to some articles? Teahouse is a place to ask serious questions, not irrelevant random ones. Knightrises10 (talk) 15:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The Teahouse is also intended to be the friendly place to learn about editing Misplaced Pages, and the friendly bit is as important as the learning bit. GMG 15:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorry GreenMeansGo, but I just felt that the editor should now start editing some articles too, as they are the first step to learn about Misplaced Pages and editing. Knightrises10 (talk) 15:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Teahouse participation

Hello there, I look forward to participating more in the teahouse forum and other noticeboards as well, but I am new and don't have the skill or experience to do so. Can you please advise how can I increase my presence here and what recommendations do you have or any feedback is appreciated. I do contributions to articles on a daily basis, maybe I can start from there? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon york (talk • contribs) 15:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey Anon york. Certainly the first step in helping others is to become thoroughly familiar yourself, which you can do by helping to improve articles, and participating in talk page discussions regarding article content. It can also be helpful to hang around at the Teahouse, and read through answers, even if you don't know them yourself yet, because many questions here are asked and answered over and over again. So the next time someone asks a question, you might know the answer because you've read it before. When in doubt, it may be helpful to make a note of what you think the answer is, and then see if you were right, because a wrong or misleading answer can often just be frustrating and confusing to very new editors. GMG 15:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How to create a bit?

Hi I want to create a bit but how can I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kigagan (talk • contribs) 15:46, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hit the self destruct button and you are on your way. Bye!2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 15:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Ignoring 2605, this is the second time today you have asked a Teahouse question about how to create a bot (assuming you meant that, and not "bit"). Please consider going forward as an article editor and not solely as a habitual teahouse querier. David notMD (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Crew

When is crew singular and when is it plural? Thank you.2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 15:46, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

In English, "crew" is always singular; the plural is "crews". However, it may be used to refer refer to one member or multiple members of a crew. You may be interested in WMF's online dictionary, Wictionary, which explains this and is a more appropriate place to find this kind of information. General Ization 15:48, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The confusion is that in British English (and presumably other Commonwealth variations), collective nouns like crew, team, etc. are treated as plural, because it's a collection of individuals. That is not the case in American English. Parsecboy (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

So what do you do when the subject is British English concerning an American aspect?2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 15:58, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

If it's an American topic, it should not be in British English per WP:STRONGNAT. If it's a British topic, then British English is fine (you might have noticed I didn't revert your edits that corrected "crew was" to "crew were" to articles on British ships). Parsecboy (talk) 16:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

How to create a bot? (redux)

I want to create a bot.But how can I do it?.Kigagan (talk) 15:53, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Already asked and answered. General Ization 15:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

To the left of this page is a word "HELP". Click on that; locate the search box, enter bot and go to town.2605:E000:1301:4462:F495:A42E:3279:868B (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

This editor is obviously not here to create an encyclopedia. He has taken no notice of the copious advice which he's been given. Hopefully an admin will take the necessary action. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Now has a you-may-be-blocked warning on Talk. David notMD (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

SOURCES AND REFERENCES

What if in adding sources from Articles, all I have are publications from online Newspapers and News Websites, can they stand alone as reliable sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IbibioEditor (talk • contribs) 16:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Depends on the sources you are using. Can you name some of the sources that you are willing to use? Kraose (talk) 17:00, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

trying to build a page called Derek Reese American singer-songwriter and musician

Good afternoon everyone, my name is Carol and i am trying to add an article about Derek Reese. This is a learning process for sure, but i was wondering if anyone would be kind enough to give it look and give me your opinion ? i hope it is ok for me to add a direct link to my article here ? Thank you all so very much, Carol https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Derek_Reese_American_singer-songwriter_and_musician Carolcappetta (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

You appear to have put the same content twice in your draft and you need to sort that out, but the content is certainly not acceptable. You need to read the advice at WP:Your first article, and particularly you need to put references in the text, see WP:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:55, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much David for helping me. I deleted the double post, and i added the links throughout the course of my summary. I will keep reading, but i am hoping that what i did so far is an improvement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carolcappetta (talk • contribs) 17:17, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

You've got a lot of misplaced external links in the next, but only one reference. When you do supply references, it will make the job of the reviewer easier if you supply reasonably comprehensive citation detail, such as by filling in relevant parameters in {{cite web}}, rather than merely a bare url. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:34, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Need help with changing name of page and redirect

Hi,

I created an article that was meant to be named— "Bullionville, Nevada", and I mistakenly named it "Bullionville". I usually can change names, but this time I am not able to. I also think there is a redirect page involved, because this page: List of ghost towns in Nevada, redirects the name "Bullionville" to Panaca, Nevada. Could you help me with this? thx MauraWen (talk) 18:09, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

MauraWen  Done GMG 18:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

GreenMeansGo Thanks for the quick response! MauraWen (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

No problem at all MauraWen. Thanks for helping us build a better encyclopedia. If we can ever be of any help, feel free to drop back by. Happy editing! GMG 18:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles About Published Literature On Misplaced Pages?

Hi again. I know I had an earlier section, but it's getting long and I was kind of afraid if I was to update it at this point someone scrolling through the Teahouse might not see it. Anyways, my question is about another topic entirely. Basically, I'm interested about creating an article eventually, and I was thinking I would like to write an article on a published book that doesn't yet have an article on Misplaced Pages. I was wondering some basic do's and don'ts users at the Teahouse might suggest on an article like that. I'm thinking that I should mention stuff like publication date, publisher, and the funding involved in helping research and write this book. I remember seeing Misplaced Pages articles with tables before... how would I include them? Or should I just be bold and try to start my initial draft first and get some advice here after writing it? Clovermoss (talk) 19:31, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

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