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Template:Infobox UK school

I have converted this template to a wrapper of Template:Infobox school per your TfD closure in January. Would the intention be eventually to replace all these instances so that they call {{Infobox school}} directly. Or do we normally retain these wrappers indefinitely? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

There are three (ish) ways to deal with a template merger.

• If there is a large similarity between the templates (i.e. only a few different params) it's generally easiest to just add the differences as alt params and redirect to the final target.
• If there are a lot of differences, I've done bot runs to replace all of the different parameters, followed by redirecting the template itself.
• The third (and personally least liked) is to convert the template into a properly substable template and subst it out of existence. This is probably the most disruptive way.

UK school falls kind of halfway between the first two options (mostly because of the switches for plural/singular), so I'll have to give a think as to the best way to proceed. In the meantime, though, a wrapper is perfectly acceptable and I thank you for doing that! Primefac (talk) 16:02, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

So to clarify, I take it from your answer that it is not common practice to leave template wrappers indefinitely? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Correct, especially if it was created post-TFD. Creates less confusion in the long run and avoids having the wrapper further modified/convoluted. Primefac (talk) 11:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac, I see MSGJ has posted here, that's good. Can have you both to read on this and let me know. So I was thinking once everything has been merged and documentation updated etc. Can Infobox UK school be redirected to Infobox school as was the case with other templates that were merged and can its talk page be moved/archived with a link under "Merged template archives" stack that is currently present on the Infobox school talk page? I'm thinking of producing a list of parameters to be changed and parameters to removed, would you be up for running a bot again? I know we got a lot of unsupported params removed and changed before. Please let me know, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

That was basically the gist of my original reply - I'll take a look and see what will be the most effective method of converting the wrapper into a redirect. Primefac (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Yep haha and thank you :) - I've produced a list at Infobox school talk page of an overview of the UK parameters that are already present/was merged with some changes to simplify things. Perhaps you could take a look at this too Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:55, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac, hope things are well, just wanted to ask a question, if you were to run a bot, would it be able to go through articles using Infobox UK school only? Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:48, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I'd only pull up the pages that transcluded the template itself. Primefac (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Advice

Howdy! I wanted to see if you might be willing to give me some advice. Your insight on the Brandon issue makes me interested in your take on a situation I'm involved in. I'm trying to make sure I avoid WP:CANVAS so let me be clear, not looking for someone to just pat me on the back and agree with me... I'm turning to you because you are an admin who's opinion I value. I'm hoping that you will give a neutral opinion on the matter including pointing out areas where I am in the wrong.

The issue stems from converting Briarcliff Manor, New York to use {{Infobox settlement}} over {{Geobox}}. Currently that page is the only settlement page to use the Geobox. Every other page has been converted. There is a user who has worked hard to make that article a FA. They feel strongly that the page should keep the Geobox. I obviously disagree. This has led to a WP:AIV report by me and the page being protected. I would like to get your advice on the matter on what the best way forward is. If you could, please read this thread for some insight. I'll hold off on saying more on the matter for now. If this isn't an issue you are interested in getting involved with, just let me know. I'll understand that. But if you have the time, would greatly appreciate your advice! Thanks in advance. --Zackmann (/_{What I been doing}) 18:13, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Full disclosure I've also left this message on EdJohnston's page. I'm interested in their opinion/advice as well. --Zackmann (/_{What I been doing}) 18:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, didn't see this until just now. I'd agree with the convo at Ed's page, in that TFD is the way to go to "formally" show that it's a deprecated template and can/should be removed from any extant use. Primefac (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

@Primefac: so I did that and the TFD was speedily closed... However the user is still blocking any efforts to actually implement the change. --Zackmann (/_{What I been doing}) 07:44, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, in light of a speedy-closed TFD which said that the template shouldn't be used, continued insistence of its use is grounds for a report at AN3 or ANI, depending on how much of a nuicance they're being. Primefac (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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Orphaning Template:New unreviewed article

How to orphan Template:New unreviewed article so that it can be deleted. I need a bit of help doing that. It also needs to removed from the Twinkle "tag" tab. How to do this? Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I'll take care of the orphaning. Leave a note at WT:TW to notify them that the template has been deprecated and will be deleted soon. Primefac (talk) 19:44, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:User Commonwealth

Hi Primefac. It looks like somebody wanted to create a userbox and just did so just by tweaking the syntax or another userbox. A non-free image was being used in the template which I removed, but there seem to be other issues as well and I'm not sure how to resolve them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Contacting the user first might be a good idea, if only to clear up any potential misunderstandings. Of course, if you think the issue needs wider discussion there's always the folks at WP:WPT, WP:UBX, or WP:WPUBX. If you can find the original template they copied from, then attribution can be given, though with a UBX they're all so similar I would probably be hard-pressed to find the specific template it came from. Primefac (talk) 11:44, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. I wasn't concerned so much with there being a copyright violation involving the template syntax, but rather that I wasn't able to see the template at all. However, you seem to have fixed that so now it's visible on its page. The creator seems to have created lots of userboxes, so I'm sure they know more about them than I do. As long as they don't re-add that non-free image, I probably never look at the page again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Now for some reason the creator has made the template unable to be seen again. It seems like it would be beneficial for anyone wanting to use the template so be able to see it. Maybe there's a coding reason or something else for doing this? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

They're putting it in <includeonly>...</includeonly> tags. I've left them a note. Primefac (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Killing of Jamal Khashoggi Rename Discussion

Hi Primefac, It's been more than seven days and the consensus appears to be to move the article to Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi. Can you close the rename discussion since there appears to be a consensus and the requested move is more than 7 days old. Thanks. Octoberwoodland (talk) 01:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

I guess you are not going to respond to me, that's fine, I will ask someone else for assistance, I can see you are very busy fixing your bot and other matters. Octoberwoodland (talk) 01:18, 12 November 2018 (UTC).

My apologies, I saw this post and was reading through the discussion and kept getting sidetracked. If I get to it, I'll close it, but letting a second set of eyes take a look might be a good idea. Primefac (talk) 02:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You are a very wise and intelligent man my friend, I think there already are a bunch of eyes on it, but I think they are all waiting for you to review it. The rest of us are involved on it and are not allowed to close it. God Bless and thanks. Octoberwoodland (talk) 03:52, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Assassination has been confirmed by WP:RS based on the released recordings of Khashoggi's killing which state that the Saudi Royal Family ordered the killing. Time to rename the article. Octoberwoodland (talk) 02:25, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

That's up for the closer of the RM to decide. Primefac (talk) 11:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

OK. :-) Octoberwoodland (talk) 02:50, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

References

1. "'Tell Your Boss': Recording Is Seen to Link Saudi Crown Prince More Strongly to Khashoggi Killing".

Greetings from the Arbcom Recruitment Kittens!

We've got some former arbs in the mix for WP:ACE2018, but we need more fresh blood bright-eyed and bushy-tailed first-time candidates! If you love all the functionaries email, think how much more you could have in your inbox! ;) Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:24, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Aaagh, it's so tempting (and the kittens insanely cute), but being a responsible adult (gasp!) I must decline to put my hat into the ring this year; I find myself with very little personal time and it would be a disservice to ArbCom to be able to devote so little time to it. Maybe next year? Primefac (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, keep an eye on the candidates page and see if you change your mind on Tuesday...? I mean, "tempted but" is a much better response than the usual "keep your flaming bag of shit off my front steps thankyouverymuch" ;) Opabinia regalis (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox school

Hi Primefac, I can see you're doing a bot run, awesome work. I've noticed that you are changing |type= to |schooltype= but this doesn't need changing, type is perfectly fine :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah, cool. I was just going off the UK school wrapper, which changed the param. I'll leave it off the swap list. Primefac (talk) 04:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. How are you dealing with |image= and |image2= because of a slight variation between the two infoboxes for this. I came up with a solution where |image2= and its respective parameters can be deleted, and I'm currently going through and doing the necessary changes. You can see what I mean here (at the bottom where I've put "I have a solution"). Please let me know, thank you Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm doing |image= → |logo= and |image2= → |image= (and related size/alts) per the wrapper. Primefac (talk) 04:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Ah that's right anyway haha - We're still discussing other parameters with possible deletion and there's some already in a list to delete and some to rename. Would you be willing to do a bot for them once we've finished the discussion? Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:13, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Outright removal of parameters can be done, sure. Primefac (talk) 04:17, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, that's perfect, thank you :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 04:21, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

I am surprised to see this bot running already. We should have had a detailed discussion about parameters to remove and change. For example, |approx, |c_approx=, and multiple other parameters could be removed, even if they are blank, since they are not supported. Also, |enrollment= does not need to change to |students=, |dfeno= should be removed, and more. Perhaps it would be better for the bot to pause while we have a brief discussion on the template's talk page. Also, the bot appears to be doing something incorrectly with |website=.

So far, the bot (and changing the template to a redirect before the bot's work was properly done, which I have reverted) appears to have put 1,800 articles in Category:Pages using infobox school with unsupported parameters (547), which was empty before the bot started editing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:39, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Primefac: The bot is making mistakes (see the website parameter with box_style inside the URL template). The bot's edit also placed that article and many others in Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Dumping a WHOLE bunch of pages into error categories there my friend. --Zackmann (/_{What I been doing}) 06:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

How is it that you are referencing a WP:BRFA from February for this task?? @Cyberpower678: you approved that WP:BRFA can you shed some light? It seems to me that this is a new task and should have required a new BRFA. So far approx 2,000 pages have been broken by this task and the bot is still running... --Zackmann (/_{What I been doing}) 07:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Zackmann (/_{What I been doing}) 07:22, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

• The "website=" parameter in the infobox is being mangled in a variety of different ways - see the bot's talkpage. Please stop, and revert the damage. PamD 10:11, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

My comments copied from User talk:PrimeBOT, as this seems to be the better discussion venue:

• Yes, the bot is malfunctioning. The school website should be left visible, not hidden using the 2-parameter version of {{URL}}. And some are completely broken - will mend Sutton High School, London now, but please revert this damage to all the others. Thanks. PamD 09:43, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Sutton High School, London was broken. Ilkley Grammar School unhelpfullly gave the school name rather than the URL. Lawnswood School displayed "School website". Not improvements, any of them. PamD 09:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

And just one more different example - I had a look at the bot's contributions list (enormous), clicked one at random and found {{URL|1=|2=| box_style =}}n added to a page which didn't have a URL in the infobox - producing this mess. Actually the school does have a website as an EL so I'll add it to the infobox. But what a mess this bot has caused. PamD 10:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

End of copied section

Yes, the bot was malfunctioning. This was an oversight on my part mainly because I did not see this situtation pop up in the 100 or so manual edits I made before going fully-auto. I deeply apologize, will fix my mistakes, and in the future not assume that multiple posts on my page asking me about performing a Bot Run means that a bot run is ready to be performed (which is what happens when one assumes...). Primefac (talk) 13:34, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Please read through Template talk:Infobox school, or at least the last couple of sections, before proceeding. Ask questions if you have them. Thanks. Please let us know your plan to fix the bot's edits before you start. We'll be happy to take a look at a couple of test batches of edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Will do. I'll make sure discussion has reached a conclusion and it's time to implement the final step of the merger. Primefac (talk) 17:28, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Primefac, I'm here to give you credit. First of all, it was around 4am UK time for me when I noticed Primefac was online and doing a bot run as you can see from my comments at the start of this section (was offline after replying). I mentioned "awesome work" (pretty much a backing of the bot run) and the short convo looks like everything is well; the bot was running properly, it was changing the parameters to the right ones, such as |religion= to |religious_affiliation= etc. The only thing I noticed was the changing of |type= to |schooltype= which I said above was not needed, which Primefac had rectified. I did query how |image= and |image2= was being handled, however, I failed to notice the adding of another caption parameter which I'm pretty sure was not there in the first few articles I checked (should have checked more), and which is mostly the reason for the large increase in the duplicate template arguments. Ok the bot should have run after we had finished the parameter discussion on the talk page, but Primefac was willing to do another bot run for the other params which you can see above. So I can say I'm also partly responsible and for that I apologise. In terms of parameter issues, I can see it's mainly just the |website= parameter where |website_name= should have been deleted instead (an issue with UK schools that are using this parameter for adding custom text to the URL, with many having unhelpful names, predominantly the school name and as you can see noted by PamD "Ilkley Grammar School unhelpfullly gave the school name" (already there before) and "Lawnswood School displayed "School website" (already there before). My only concern is why Zackmann08 had taken this to ANI, very disappointed. I'm sure there's a workaround, I'm sure Primefac will have a solution (maybe doing another bot run and removing the duplicate caption and the 2= in the URL? I don't know), but Primefac has done 2-3 bot runs for me in the past for Infobox school, removing and renaming parameters and had reduced 7,000+ in the unsupported and deprecated categories, with the unsupported one reducing to around 1,000+ (because there was a lot of single-use/very low ones that didn't require bot removal and can be done manually) and the latter which I think became empty - this was excellent. I appreciate your help, always friendly to work with and I hope this doesn't affect you wanting to do another bot run for when we finish the parameter discussion on the talk page, hope all is well, Steven :) Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:25, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh yeah, no worries. We'll get through this. No articles appear to have been harmed (much) in this process, just a couple of maintenance categories and their watcher gnomes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

That's good and haha, oh I'll let you know on the talk page when I'm done regarding the image/image2 approach, I'm almost there just taking a bit of time because I'm also doing that tedious part I mentioned Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:56, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Templates

Hi,

"If you have any questions or doubts about what you are doing, please feel free to ask me or another administrator to weigh in on the situation. "

Can i create templates? i want to create Template:Lotay Tshering cabinet.— Bukhari (Talk!) 13:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

What sort of information would you be putting in this template? Primefac (talk) 15:12, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

His cabinet members like Template:Khan Cabinet.— Bukhari (Talk!) 17:00, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Hrm... currently his cabinet only has one blue-linked member, meaning that it's probably not a good time right now to create a template. When/if the other cabinet members get Misplaced Pages pages then the possibility of a template can be discussed further. Primefac (talk) 17:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Now can i User:BukhariSaeed/sandbox/1.— Bukhari (Talk!) 19:04, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I have created all articles (in draft namespace), can i convert this sandbox into template?— Bukhari (Talk!) 17:50, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Sure, go for it. Primefac (talk) 17:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

rugby league template help

Hi, I'm trying to create a template {{rlnt}} which if you input a country name like Australia or the iso code AUS will return ] I've got all the data at {{rlnt/nations}} and I thought is would be a simple use of #switch so while I can get it to work (apparently), every example seems to be followed by a line break - see the Examples section at Template:Rlnt/doc. Any idea what I'm missing? Nthep (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You had whitespace between the {{rlnt}} call and the <noinclude>. Primefac (talk) 20:01, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

How unintuitive! You'd think whitespace after closing the call would be ignored. Thanks Nthep (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

On the page, yes, but not during a transclusion. I've had many an issue like that due to an errant hard return! Primefac (talk) 20:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Portal-inline/doc

Would you mind replacing the current version of Template:Portal-inline/doc with User:BrandonXLF/sandbox/2? Basically, it adds documentation for parameter short, which was recently added after an TfD. – BrandonXLF  03:06, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)  Done Galobtter (pingó mió) 03:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Please respond on List of bitcoin forks

You know you should have discussed your reversion on the talk page before making them. You're being unpleasant. Please respond on the talk page. Fresheneesz (talk) 05:09, 19 November 2018 (UTC)