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| : There is no need to discuss this. It is a wrong source, and the claim has no base. NisarKand should discuss the issue before editing the article. | : There is no need to discuss this. It is a wrong source, and the claim has no base. NisarKand should discuss the issue before editing the article. | ||
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| ::You are not providing any data or sources that refute what NisarKand has backed up with the data he has provided, you simply say "there is no need to discuss this. It is a wrong source, and the claim has no base." You do not even say what is correct. Nothing, not what is right, not how or why it's wrong, simply that it is wrong. This is not an argument against the data, but simply your pushing your POV. | |||
| ::Herat is an important world city, so it would be useful to research the underlying statistics and add them to the article--maybe Human Rights Watch has the data, or researchers at UNOmaha (theirs may even be on-line), or researchers at the American University of Afghanistan may be able to answer questions about the current demographics of Herat. Until then, NisarKand has bothered to provide a reputable source, and you have not provided a source contradicting it, or alternative information, but have merely provided your point of view that the source and NisarKand are wrong. | |||
| ::Statistical data can be validly presented in graphs of all sorts, including maps. This map presents the information within the limits of its scale that metropolitan Herat is a city with two major ethnolinguistic groups. | |||
| ::The article still needs a lot more work to be current and useful, rather than an edit war. ] 00:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Were the original inhabitants ArIans or ArYans? As the former is asserted between two paragraphs talking about 500 BC and the 4th century Alexander the Great, I'd be very surprised if it were true, unless there are time-travelling Christian missionaries involved. So I'm guessing they were either Aryan or else the reference needs to be moved to a later spot in the chronology. -- Paul Drye
- Just thought that a gallery would better serve this article.--Zereshk 06:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I go to Herat at least 3 or 4 times every year. From my observation...Tajiks (approximately half Shia and half Sunni) and Pashtuns (mostly originating from Kandahar area) appear as 50%/50%. Most people in the city speak Herati (localized Persian language). In other words, Herati is the official language of the city. Pashto is also spoken among some of the Pashtuns, although most Pashtuns rather speak Herati. This confuses the westerners, assuming all those that speak Herati are Tajiks. Anyone who is Afghan and familiar with Herat will tell you that Pashtuns make up the second largest population. User:NisarKand November 11, 2006
Map? and Ethnic Populations
What map? The map of ethnic populations in Afghanistan with the main article? The scale is not sufficient for the municipality, if that is the map you think is used. Why not put this on the talk page for the article and discussion instead, or ask for a reference? KP Botany 21:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- User NisarKand is claiming that "Pashtuns are the second largest ethnic group in Herat", and he have this map as a reference (see here). Beside that fact that no other source actually mentiones the second largest group in Herat (who could be Pashtuns, but also Hazaras or Turkmen), the a map can never be a proof for such a claim, because it does not show the number of speakers but only the geographical range of a certain language.
- There is no need to discuss this. It is a wrong source, and the claim has no base. NisarKand should discuss the issue before editing the article.
- Tājik 21:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
- You are not providing any data or sources that refute what NisarKand has backed up with the data he has provided, you simply say "there is no need to discuss this. It is a wrong source, and the claim has no base." You do not even say what is correct. Nothing, not what is right, not how or why it's wrong, simply that it is wrong. This is not an argument against the data, but simply your pushing your POV.
- Herat is an important world city, so it would be useful to research the underlying statistics and add them to the article--maybe Human Rights Watch has the data, or researchers at UNOmaha (theirs may even be on-line), or researchers at the American University of Afghanistan may be able to answer questions about the current demographics of Herat. Until then, NisarKand has bothered to provide a reputable source, and you have not provided a source contradicting it, or alternative information, but have merely provided your point of view that the source and NisarKand are wrong.
- Statistical data can be validly presented in graphs of all sorts, including maps. This map presents the information within the limits of its scale that metropolitan Herat is a city with two major ethnolinguistic groups.
- The article still needs a lot more work to be current and useful, rather than an edit war. KP Botany 00:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)