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Proposed deletion of Waco: Madman or Messiah and Proposed deletion of Warren Jeffs: Prophet of Evil

H Levivich, Greetings to you. You have page 2 PROP notifications of the on my talk page of Waco: Madman or Messiah and Warren Jeffs: Prophet of Evil articles. First of I am NOT the creator of the page, why are you sending me the notifications? and secondly, the articles do have independent, reliable sources to support the claimed and passed notability requirements, so why are you PROP the pages ? Please familiar yourself on the notability and independent source, and reliable source. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA 03:37, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

• Thanks for your message. I responded on your talk page. Levivich (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

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2018 Senate elections

I'm hoping that a recount won't be required for the Mississippi special election, after tonight ;) GoodDay (talk) 17:43, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

LOL. Counting my blessings that it’s down to just one race per chamber. Levivich (talk) 18:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lois Graham

Hello! Your submission of Lois Graham at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! SusanLesch (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

• Earwig flags copyright violation for Graham's oral history. Maybe you could try shorter quotations.
• The term STEM didn't exist in 1981 so we could add a note.
• "Degrees awarded" belong under education.
• Could the citations be simplified? (Piggybacking several doesn't help the reader to find the source for a given fact. I object to having to read a whole list of references.)
• Your edit simplifying the section headings helped a lot.
• I would like to see the lead cut way back. Suggestion is here.
• Comment: The subject appears to be wearing a Graham tartan in this photo. Graham is my family name and is what caught my eye.

Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

• Earwig is still too high. I'm probably not the best person to judge that, because I sometimes push it to the limit. You're right "first woman in the United States" and "PhD in mechanical engineering" are not copyright violations.
• The lead is better but I still prefer mine (sandbox). I would like to see her identified as a person with a job who did that job, not as a "first woman to" something.
• Citations

1. Generally speaking, DYK's rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph. That said, DYK rules have evolved to require a cited hook: "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient." I have on occasion cited every sentence. One citation per unit is enough.

2. I would split apart the bundled cite. There are rare cases where a few sources are required to cover all facts inside one sentence and so a bundle is helpful. This particular article does not seem to be controversial and so single sources are enough.

3. Yes, some sources could go. Rather than delete them, you can add a section titled "Further reading". See MOS:FURTHER.

4. RPI and IIT are both reliable sources. So are ASHRAE and SWE.

5. While they are primary sources, I think her oral history and obituary are both fine to use, see WP:PSTS.

6.North Country Now seems to be a legitimate newspaper, so yes it's very good source.

You're doing great. Misplaced Pages needed this article. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The citations look beautiful! Thank you for the new lead. You put a lot of work into this! (I dropped a few words to lower case; generally only POTUS is a capitalized title.) Great job. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:05, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

2018 US House election

There's a few idiots at 2018 United States House of Representatives elections article, who are 'bleeping' it up. I can't stop them all. GoodDay (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Alexandros Schinas

Good job! Cinadon36 (talk) 07:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Levivich (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Schinas

I have many objections to your edits in the article. But i think that you did a true honest work without any concerns for doing propaganda. If you want, you can consult the greek article. Thank you. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 09:47, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I have some questions I will post on your talk page later today. Levivich (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

ok! please use simple english. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

On Schinas being an anarchist

Αντικαθεστωτικός reverted by edit at his talk page,(he was the one claiming that there is censorship in en.WP). So I 'll add my answer in your TalkPage if you do not mind.

Greek article is exremely POVish as it does not state that he was an anarchist. Plus, the way it is writen, it lets the reader to conclude that the conspiracy theories are the mainstream view. The article was mostly shaped by Αντικαθεστωτικός by far . Anyway, Misplaced Pages is not a RS, in general. So as for RS that claim Schinas being an anarhist, here is a not all inclusive list.

• Kemp, Michael (2018). "Beneath a White Tower". Bombs, Bullets and Bread: The Politics of Anarchist Terrorism Worldwide, 1866-1926. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. pp. 178–186. ISBN 978-1-4766-7101-7. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Tomai, Fotini (2012-10-21). "Ο Γεώργιος Α' και ο δολοφόνος του - νέα - Το Βήμα Online". Βήμα Online (in Greek). Retrieved 2018-12-01. {{cite web}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)CS1 maint: date and year (link)
• Jensen, Richard Bach (2015). "Anarchist Terrorism and Counter-Terrorism in Europe and the World, 1878–1934". In Law, Randall D. (ed.). The Routledge History of Terrorism. Routledge Histories. London: Routledge. pp. 111–129. ISBN 978-0-415-53577-9. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Jussi M. Hanhimäki; Bernhard Blumenau (2013). An International History of Terrorism: Western and Non-Western Experiences. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-63540-0. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• Henry E. Mattox (8 June 2015). Chronology of World Terrorism, 1901–2001. McFarland. ISBN 978-1-4766-0965-2. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Cinadon36 (talk) 10:32, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

in EL:RP the prologue is. Η επικρατέστερη εκδοχή είναι ότι είχε ψυχολογικά προβλήματα ενώ έχουν διατυπωθεί θεωρίες για την συμμετοχή του σε συνωμοσία εναντίον του αγγλόφιλου βασιλιά Γεωργίου καθώς και θεωρίες για αναρχικά πολιτικά κίνητρα. (loose translation-->)The most prominent version is that he had psychological problems while exist theories about his involvement in a conspiracy against the English-friendly King George and theories about anarchist political motivation. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 10:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Source? Plus it discusses the motives of the crime, not if he was or wasn't an anarchist. Cinadon36 (talk) 10:54, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't want any furher discussion with you. I am just talking to Levivich. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 11:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

1. user:Levivich You are the only one to read Kemp. Last page about Scinas. He conclude he just was sick.

2. In Tomai article there NOT such claim. Εις τους πλησιάζοντας αυτόν ανέπτυσσε περιέργους ιδέας περί σοσιαλισμού -->he had weird ideas for socialism. This is the opinion of young diplomat. It is primary source. Tomai says (her opinion) iδιόρρυθμο άτομο aka weird person.

3. It is a copy paste from NYT of 1913. The writers don't know -at all- the Greek sources. But i have provide this citation in Greek article.

4. Same with 3. I have also provide it in Greek article.

5. Same with 3. I have also provide it in Greek article.

If you bring me more, i will add them. Check also Greek article talk page. 5 users says their opinions. There are users with contribution in English Misplaced Pages. I am not here for propaganda, but i am here for hoax hunting. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 11:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Note: After asking Αντικαθεστωτικός about the source of the Greek text and his refusal to talk to me, he finally mentioned the source. Kind reminder: Wikipedias are not RS Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. (and the reason is lying in front of our eyes). Cinadon36 (talk) 13:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

lol. i didnt suggest that it was a RS(!!) but i bring what the greek wikipedia wrote cause the user wrote article is exremely POVish as it does not state that he was an anarchist. Plus, the way it is writen, it lets the reader to conclude that the conspiracy theories are the mainstream view. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 13:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

See, you are misleading the public that a)the most prominent version is that he was insane and b)you are downplaying the fact that he was anarchist, while no author claims the otherwise. Cinadon36 (talk) 14:05, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I am going to write my answer on the article talk page, so more editors can join the conversation. Thank you. Levivich (talk) 15:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello friend. Clogg and Gallant are english speaking sources. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 17:22, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

As it was pointed out in the talk page: A) Clogg is using only one word to comment on Schinas. He cannot be taken as a source for the articcle. B) Gallant uses only one sentence on Schinas. In that sentence, he does not claim that the Schinas was an actor of Spies, he claims that " most Greeks believed that the killer was a Bulgarian agent.Cinadon36 (talk) 17:49, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello friends. I was thinking earlier, "Clogg" and "Gallant" don't sound like Greek names... :-) So yes I was confused about them. I found them. I will post my thoughts on them on the article talk page. Best regards, Levivich (talk) 19:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

hello again friend. i will explain when i will have time the citations. par example Gallant suggests that during the death of the king it was the first suspision that the assasin was a bulgarian spy and the forces give order to publish that he was a greek to prevent reprisals. This was the first impression. I will go more deeper in a future post. in about 3-4 days i hopeΑντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 19:54, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

it is a good job what you did. I disagree with your view. But i think that is a beautiful article.Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 23:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Levivich (talk) 00:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Citations tools

I found these two citations tools really helpful. (citation App for books or this one for journals and websites). Have a look if you wish. Cinadon36 (talk) 16:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I will check them out! Levivich (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

I checked them out and those are very helpful! Thank you for showing them to me! Levivich (talk) 19:36, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Sustainability in construction

It reads like WP:OR & WP:SYNTH to me. I'd have removed the addition rather than spinning it out into its own article. Cabayi (talk) 10:18, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

@Cabayi: I agree with you. But I am a very new editor and the submission was approved by a pending changes reviewer (I was surprised by that), so I didn't feel comfortable "overruling" that by removing the admission after it was reviewed and approved. I also didn't feel comfortable leaving it in as it was. I thought spinning it out, tagging and parking it was better than either leaving it or removing it. I think the topic (green building) is good and deserving of a stand-alone article (of sufficient quality), and actually many of the sources cited seemed pretty good. My intent was that it can be cut down/edited/improved, but I wouldn't object if the whole thing were reverted. The "green building" article (or section) can always get re-written using those sources from the history. As a newbie, I just didn't want to be the one to pull that trigger, but I felt strongly it couldn't be left in the article as it was. Levivich (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2018 (UTC)