Misplaced Pages

:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement: Difference between revisions - Misplaced Pages

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
< Misplaced Pages:Arbitration | Requests Browse history interactively← Previous editNext edit →Content deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 18:41, 15 February 2019 editSandstein (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Administrators188,206 edits →Result concerning Cristina neagu: cmt← Previous edit Revision as of 19:06, 15 February 2019 edit undoCristina neagu (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users2,996 edits →Result concerning Cristina neaguNext edit →
Line 379: Line 379:
<!-- When closing this request use {{hat|Result}} / {{hab}}, inform the user on their talk page if they are being sanctioned (eg with {{AE sanction}} or {{uw-aeblock}} and note it in the discretionary sanctions log. --> <!-- When closing this request use {{hat|Result}} / {{hab}}, inform the user on their talk page if they are being sanctioned (eg with {{AE sanction}} or {{uw-aeblock}} and note it in the discretionary sanctions log. -->
* Well, most of these edits don't indicate much more than some serious competence issues (in terms of the English language and perhaps otherwise) on the part of Cristina neagu, but the "you know nothing about Romania since you are a Canadian trapper" comment is quite a bit more concerning. Cristina neagu doesn't come across to me as the type of knowledgeable, competent and collegial person we want to be editing sensitive and complicated topics. Thoughts by other admins? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 18:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC) * Well, most of these edits don't indicate much more than some serious competence issues (in terms of the English language and perhaps otherwise) on the part of Cristina neagu, but the "you know nothing about Romania since you are a Canadian trapper" comment is quite a bit more concerning. Cristina neagu doesn't come across to me as the type of knowledgeable, competent and collegial person we want to be editing sensitive and complicated topics. Thoughts by other admins? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 18:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
**I am really sorry for my reaction and I am apologising again. I worked with Borsoka and Rosenborg fan for many hours on that project, and then the work was removed instead of a talk page message first. Nobody opposed to the spamming (image gallery) after he discussed the matter. You are a very qualified user but you are understimating me as a person and also my work. Btw you are using "much better" words in describing me than I did when I used "trapper". If it would be myself to judge, honestly I would not even judge users like me or you. Because we are a community here, and you can't really say I really break the rules of Misplaced Pages (I am talking for myself). Forbidding work on a topic, Sandstein? Really? Did you see previously what kind of users we had on those topics? All kind of mockers, I can prove most of them are still active and were never forbidden. Where was you or where were the others to keep the good work of Wikipeda as an encyclopedia and not the mockery site regarding Romania? I have seen for long time administrators banning the Romanians instead of the haters, because they treated the problem superficially. Don't you think I can also request enforcement for some users, but why would I do that since I try to get along with all? And then you call me non-collegial. You draw conclusions from two words. It's easy to talk from the outside. ] (]) 19:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:06, 15 February 2019

"WP:AE" redirects here. For the guideline regarding the letters æ or ae, see MOS:LIGATURE. For the automated editing program, see WP:AutoEd.


Noticeboards
Misplaced Pages's centralized discussion, request, and help venues. For a listing of ongoing discussions and current requests, see the dashboard. For a related set of forums which do not function as noticeboards see formal review processes.
General
Articles and content
Page handling
User conduct
Other
Category:Misplaced Pages noticeboards

    Click here to add a new enforcement request
    For appeals: create a new section and use the template {{Arbitration enforcement appeal}}
    See also: Logged AE sanctions

    Important informationShortcuts

    Please use this page only to:

    • request administrative action against editors violating a remedy (not merely a principle) or an injunction in an Arbitration Committee decision, or a contentious topic restriction imposed by an administrator,
    • request contentious topic restrictions against previously alerted editors who engage in misconduct in a topic area designated as a contentious topic,
    • request page restrictions (e.g. revert restrictions) on pages that are being disrupted in topic areas designated as contentious topics, or
    • appeal arbitration enforcement actions (including contentious topic restrictions) to uninvolved administrators.

    For all other problems, including content disagreements or the enforcement of community-imposed sanctions, please use the other fora described in the dispute resolution process. To appeal Arbitration Committee decisions, please use the clarification and amendment noticeboard.

    Only autoconfirmed users may file enforcement requests here; requests filed by IPs or accounts less than four days old or with less than 10 edits will be removed. All users are welcome to comment on requests except where doing so would violate an active restriction (such as an extended-confirmed restriction). If you make an enforcement request or comment on a request, your own conduct may be examined as well, and you may be sanctioned for it. Enforcement requests and statements in response to them may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. (Word Count Tool) Statements must be made in separate sections. Non-compliant contributions may be removed or shortened by administrators. Disruptive contributions such as personal attacks, or groundless or vexatious complaints, may result in blocks or other sanctions.

    To make an enforcement request, click on the link above this box and supply all required information. Incomplete requests may be ignored. Requests reporting diffs older than one week may be declined as stale. To appeal a contentious topic restriction or other enforcement decision, please create a new section and use the template {{Arbitration enforcement appeal}}.

    Appeals and administrator modifications of contentious topics restrictions

    The Arbitration Committee procedures relating to modifications of contentious topic restrictions state the following:

    All contentious topic restrictions (and logged warnings) may be appealed. Only the restricted editor may appeal an editor restriction. Any editor may appeal a page restriction.

    The appeal process has three possible stages. An editor appealing a restriction may:

    1. ask the administrator who first made the contentious topic restrictions (the "enforcing administrator") to reconsider their original decision;
    2. request review at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") or at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN"); and
    3. submit a request for amendment ("ARCA"). If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by email.

    Appeals submitted at AE or AN must be submitted using the applicable template.

    A rough consensus of administrators at AE or editors at AN may specify a period of up to one year during which no appeals (other than an appeal to ARCA) may be submitted.

    Changing or revoking a contentious topic restriction

    An administrator may only modify or revoke a contentious topic restriction if a formal appeal is successful or if one of the following exceptions applies:

    • The administrator who originally imposed the contentious topic restriction (the "enforcing administrator") affirmatively consents to the change, or is no longer an administrator; or
    • The contentious topic restriction was imposed (or last renewed) more than a year ago and:
      • the restriction was imposed by a single administrator, or
      • the restriction was an indefinite block.

    A formal appeal is successful only if one of the following agrees with revoking or changing the contentious topic restriction:

    • a clear consensus of uninvolved administrators at AE,
    • a clear consensus of uninvolved editors at AN,
    • a majority of the Arbitration Committee, acting through a motion at ARCA.

    Any administrator who revokes or changes a contentious topic restriction out of process (i.e. without the above conditions being met) may, at the discretion of the Arbitration Committee, be desysopped.

    Standard of review
    On community review

    Uninvolved administrators at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") and uninvolved editors at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") should revoke or modify a contentious topic restriction on appeal if:

    1. the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),
    2. the action was not reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption when first imposed, or
    3. the action is no longer reasonably necessary to prevent damage or disruption.
    On Arbitration Committee review

    Arbitrators hearing an appeal at a request for amendment ("ARCA") will generally overturn a contentious topic restriction only if:

    1. the action was inconsistent with the contentious topics procedure or applicable policy (i.e. the action was out of process),
    2. the action represents an unreasonable exercise of administrative enforcement discretion, or
    3. compelling circumstances warrant the full Committee's action.
    1. The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.
    2. This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.
    Appeals and administrator modifications of non-contentious topics sanctions

    The Arbitration Committee procedures relating to modifications and appeals state:

    Appeals by sanctioned editors

    Appeals may be made only by the editor under sanction and only for a currently active sanction. Requests for modification of page restrictions may be made by any editor. The process has three possible stages (see "Important notes" below). The editor may:

    1. ask the enforcing administrator to reconsider their original decision;
    2. request review at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE") or at the administrators’ noticeboard ("AN"); and
    3. submit a request for amendment at the amendment requests page ("ARCA"). If the editor is blocked, the appeal may be made by email through Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee (or, if email access is revoked, to arbcom-en@wikimedia.org).
    Modifications by administrators

    No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without:

    1. the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or
    2. prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).

    Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped.

    Nothing in this section prevents an administrator from replacing an existing sanction issued by another administrator with a new sanction if fresh misconduct has taken place after the existing sanction was applied.

    Administrators are free to modify sanctions placed by former administrators – that is, editors who do not have the administrator permission enabled (due to a temporary or permanent relinquishment or desysop) – without regard to the requirements of this section. If an administrator modifies a sanction placed by a former administrator, the administrator who made the modification becomes the "enforcing administrator". If a former administrator regains the tools, the provisions of this section again apply to their unmodified enforcement actions.

    Important notes:

    1. For a request to succeed, either
    (i) the clear and substantial consensus of (a) uninvolved administrators at AE or (b) uninvolved editors at AN or
    (ii) a passing motion of arbitrators at ARCA
    is required. If consensus at AE or AN is unclear, the status quo prevails.
    2. While asking the enforcing administrator and seeking reviews at AN or AE are not mandatory prior to seeking a decision from the committee, once the committee has reviewed a request, further substantive review at any forum is barred. The sole exception is editors under an active sanction who may still request an easing or removal of the sanction on the grounds that said sanction is no longer needed, but such requests may only be made once every six months, or whatever longer period the committee may specify.
    3. These provisions apply only to contentious topic restrictions placed by administrators and to blocks placed by administrators to enforce arbitration case decisions. They do not apply to sanctions directly authorized by the committee, and enacted either by arbitrators or by arbitration clerks, or to special functionary blocks of whatever nature.
    4. All actions designated as arbitration enforcement actions, including those alleged to be out of process or against existing policy, must first be appealed following arbitration enforcement procedures to establish if such enforcement is inappropriate before the action may be reversed or formally discussed at another venue.
    Information for administrators processing requests

    Thank you for participating in this area. AE works best if there are a variety of admins bringing their expertise to each case. There is no expectation to comment on every case, and the Arbitration Committee (ArbCom) thanks all admins for whatever time they can give.

    A couple of reminders:

    • Before commenting, please familiarise yourself with the referenced ArbCom case. Please also read all the evidence (including diffs) presented in the AE request.
    • When a request widens to include editors beyond the initial request, these editors must be notified and the notifications recorded in the same way as for the initial editor against whom sanctions were requested. Where some part of the outcome is clear, a partial close may be implemented and noted as "Result concerning X".
    • Enforcement measures in arbitration cases should be construed liberally to protect Misplaced Pages and keep it running efficiently. Some of the behaviour described in an enforcement request might not be restricted by ArbCom. However, it may violate other Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines; you may use administrative discretion to resolve it.
    • More than one side in a dispute may have ArbCom conduct rulings applicable to them. Please ensure these are investigated.

    Closing a thread:

    • Once an issue is resolved, enclose it between {{hat}} and {{hab}} tags. A bot should archive it in 7 days.
    • Please consider referring the case to ARCA if the outcome is a recommendation to do so or the issue regards administrator conduct.
    • You can use the templates {{uw-aeblock}} (for blocks) or {{AE sanction}} (for other contentious topic restrictions) to give notice of sanctions on user talk pages.
    • Please log sanctions in the Arbitration enforcement log.

    Thanks again for helping. If you have any questions, please post on the talk page.

    Arbitration enforcement archives
    1234567891011121314151617181920
    2122232425262728293031323334353637383940
    4142434445464748495051525354555657585960
    6162636465666768697071727374757677787980
    81828384858687888990919293949596979899100
    101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120
    121122123124125126127128129130131132133134135136137138139140
    141142143144145146147148149150151152153154155156157158159160
    161162163164165166167168169170171172173174175176177178179180
    181182183184185186187188189190191192193194195196197198199200
    201202203204205206207208209210211212213214215216217218219220
    221222223224225226227228229230231232233234235236237238239240
    241242243244245246247248249250251252253254255256257258259260
    261262263264265266267268269270271272273274275276277278279280
    281282283284285286287288289290291292293294295296297298299300
    301302303304305306307308309310311312313314315316317318319320
    321322323324325326327328329330331332333334335336337338339340
    341342343344345346

    Arbitration enforcement action appeal by muffizainu

    Appeal declined. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
    Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

    To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

    Appealing user
    muffizainu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Muffizainu (talk) 07:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
    Sanction being appealed
    Sanction appealed. sanction case
    Administrator imposing the sanction
    AGK (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
    Notification of that administrator
    diff

    Statement by muffizainu

    The topic ban was initiated after I created the article “Khafd”, which is the Arabic term for the term for female circumcision. Misplaced Pages has similar pages defining Arabic terms, for example, the male equivalent practice, which is called “Khitan”. The Khafd page was created after a lengthy discussion on the FGM page, here and here. Following that talk, I reverted to doing doing research on the term Khafd, and drafted the page accordingly. In this page, I added multiple credible dictionary references (including Britanica) to define the Arabic term.

    I am also aware on the difference of opinion on the debate around FGM vs Female Circumcision vs Cosmetic Genital Surgeries; it is for this reason, and to be neutral, the “Khafd” directed the link to the original FGM page for more information.

    I have also pointed out many inaccuracies in the FGM articles in the past, which have all been ignored. The topic around FGM is an extremely sensitive topic in which there are many different opinions. Misplaced Pages must be a platform where multiple sides of the story are shared with good references, and that is what I proposed to do. However it seemed that only one side was heard. In the past few years, more and more academics are having reasoned dialogue around biases surrounding FGM, and I’d be happy to continue that dialogue on Misplaced Pages.


    Going forward in good faith. I propose a lifting of the ban on the following conditions:

    1. I will no longer directly make contributions to articles or edit war. I will also not make excessively long debates over any part of content and instead I will use consensus from RFCs where there's a very controversial issue.
    3. There was some confusion ie. when I created the new article, the editor did not object to its deletion via proper articles for deletion venue so I had concerns about a single editor redirecting it to another article calling it POV fork where as it was thought to have its own references. In the least it was supposed to be AFD'd. I feel it was unfair to request a ban based on that. I will ofcourse accept any consensus in all regards. I'm not going to enforce my views, this, I can of course agree to.
    5. Editors decide content where as admins enforce behaviour as far as I understand. I will definitely be happy and agree to abide by all rules including avoiding any kind of POV pushing which was perceived of me. However, I simply want a say in consensus.
    7. I agree to go for new controversial articles via articles for creation process if that is necessary ie. if the admins think it will help as a good faith gesture from me to lift the ban. I can voluntarily do this.
    9. I have not violated the ban through the ban period as of yet and want to support Misplaced Pages with constructive edits.

    Statement by AGK

    Thanks to GoldenRing for notifying me.

    Reading the appeal, I suspect muffizainu still does not grasp why I topic-banned them to begin with. Muffizainu would need to display a radical change of attitude in order to convince that the problems exhibited in 2018 had been addressed. Consequently, I cannot recommend lifting or amending this sanction.

    AGK ■ 21:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by (involved editor 1)

    Statement by (involved editor 2)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by muffizainu

    Result of the appeal by muffizainu

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

    Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Karumari

    Declined. Karumari needs to demonstrate that they understand WP:NOR by editing constructively in areas that are not connected with India or Pakistan. --regentspark (comment) 16:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
    Procedural notes: The rules governing arbitration enforcement appeals are found here. According to the procedures, a "clear, substantial, and active consensus of uninvolved editors" is required to overturn an arbitration enforcement action.

    To help determine any such consensus, involved editors may make brief statements in separate sections but should not edit the section for discussion among uninvolved editors. Editors are normally considered involved if they are in a current dispute with the sanctioning or sanctioned editor, or have taken part in disputes (if any) related to the contested enforcement action. Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED).

    Appealing user
    Karumari (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Karumari (talk) 18:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
    Sanction being appealed
    Topic ban from the subject of India-Pakistan, imposed at ]

    I was informed about it here: that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement topic ban

    Administrator imposing the sanction
    JamesBWatson (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:MobileDiff/882241628

    Statement by Karumari

    I have avoided editing articles where other editors raised objections to some of my edits. Subsequently, I have asked on the talk pages of articles if a particular reference could be used as a source before editing any other article. I want my topic ban to be lifted completely as I believe I am refraining from editing articles where there are objections, voluntarily. I have not indulged in any edit war. I am not sure if my links are as they should be-someone please correct them if they are not. Thanks!

    Statement by JamesBWatson

    Karumari has certainly made a good-faith attempt to keep out of topics where his or her editing has been considered problematic, and I acknowledged that on his/her talk page when I imposed the topic ban. However, as I also said then, the effect has not been to end the problems, but merely to move them to another topic. More than one section of Talk:Anti-Hindu sentiment shows Karumari unable to understand what he or she is told. To give just one example, he/she seems to be sincerely unable to understand that women entering the Ayyappa temple at Sabarimala because they think excluding women is wrong does not mean that they are doing so to express "anti-Hindu sentiments". Indeed, many of them are Hindus themselves. It may be, in fact, that Karumari's difficulty in understanding the problems with his/her editing will be there no matter on what topic he/she may edit, so that they will not be able to edit successfully anywhere. However, I have gone for a topic ban rather than a block in order to give Karumari a chance to learn, away from issues to do with Pakistan and India, where there are issues on which he/she clearly has strong feelings which may make it more difficult to stand back and see things in perspective than for other topics. I really think that accepting this topic ban, and editing for six months on other topics, will give Karumari the best chance of eventually settling in as a Misplaced Pages editor, and being able to continue to edit, without either getting blocked from editing altogether or else leaving in frustration because of continually finding that every attempt to be helpful is rebuffed by other editors. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:55, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by Vanamonde

    The problem here is not that Karumari has edit-warred, but that they have demonstrated a persistent inability to understand our policies on verifiability and WP:NOR, as is seen here, here, here, and here. As such, I recommend that this appeal be denied; I think Karumari needs to learn how to edit in compliance with these policies in a less contentious area. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by (involved editor 2)

    Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Karumari

    Result of the appeal by Karumari

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

    Willwill0415

    User indefinitely blocked as a normal admin action by Black Kite.
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning Willwill0415

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Wumbolo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:19, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Willwill0415 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    AP2 topic ban
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 7 February 2019 Copyediting a politician's article
    2. 7 February 2019 Editor should probably not edit in the incel topic
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 27 November 2018 AP2 ban for 6 months
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    I'm unsure if the gender ban was appealed. If no, the edit #2 above is a violation of it.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning Willwill0415

    Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
    Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

    Statement by Willwill0415

    All I did was put a comma in the Mosler article lol, how is that bad? I wrote maybe a third of the article, and people liked it, so I think Ive been useful to that article. I already submitted an arbcom request and an ANI about the incel article months ago the only people who care about the article basically bullied me and everyone else who wrote neutrally about incels on that article (last year). I got sent from Arbcom to ANI last year, where a group of ideologues and people who admit on wikipedia about a political agenda against incels topic banned me to get me to stop challenging them on the talk page. To repeat myself, Involuntary celibacy as a sociological concept was purged from Misplaced Pages as a political goal by veteran Misplaced Pages and ideological feminists that dominate the incel talk page. Its a 30 or so person "consensus" that roams Misplaced Pages engaging in political fights under the pretense of preserving Misplaced Pages. Involuntary celibacy as a sociological phenomena isnt dependent on the misogyny of the incel boards. But people claim that is so, and thats utterly ridiculous, and the lack of professionalism of the Misplaced Pages community continues to astound me. Also, note that love-shy redirects to that incel page full of yellow journalism in a negative-feedback-loop from Misplaced Pages too. This article reads like an encyclopedia dramatica article. If someone complains about the incel article, theyll probably get topic banned, even though involuntary celibacy (or incels) isnt fundamentally a gender issue. Its a mental and societal health issue as defined by academic sources. Also, my recent contributions to the incel article today were kinda sloppy, but my contributions last year were better.

    Statement by Jorm

    Willwill0415 is not here to edit the encyclopedia in good faith. A simple glance at their history will tell you all you need to know about them - including their stated intent to immediately violate their topic ban from American Politics and to the surprise of no one, they've done it.

    This will continue ad nauseum.--Jorm (talk) 23:28, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Willwill0415

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Note As Willwill0415 has continued to violate their topic ban since this AE report was opened, has removed large amounts of content from Incel (twice), and given their previous history, I have blocked them indefinitely. Note that this was not an admin action taken in response to this AE request; I saw the problem as I have Incel watchlisted and have come here after looking at Willwill0415's previous edits. Black Kite (talk) 23:40, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
    • User has been indefinitely blocked by Black Kite. User still has an active TBAN from gender issues listed at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration enforcement log#GamerGate 2, and the edits at Incel are a clear violation. The politician edit is a minor violation of the other TBAN, but I would consider that to be intentional boundary pushing. I would favor reindeffing the user as an AE sanction, over Black Kite's discretionary block. Is that something we can do here, or nah? Maybe it's not necessary, IDK. ~Swarm~ {talk} 23:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
    • Bureaucratically speaking we can't do that, Swarm, as discretionary sanctions blocks can only be up to one year long. That may be the reason why the shrewd Black Kite chose a common or garden block. Though I have seen an arrangement whereby a user is blocked for a year per DS, with a regular block waiting in the wings to take over when the year is up. To my mind, there is something displeasing about that.. sort of lawyerly. Anyway, I think Black Kite's indef will do the job, and I support it. Bishonen | talk 03:11, 8 February 2019 (UTC).

    Request concerning Koertefa, Norden1990, Borsoka, KIENGIR, Fakirbakir

    Procedurally closed. Please resubmit using the format provided by the instructions at the top, and provide all required information. Sandstein 16:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    cealicuca (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The editors have formed a practical "cabal", with the purpose of fixing what they call "ethnic bias" on Hungarian, Slovakian, Romanian history articles and they have been doing this for a long time (translation sometimes required, google translate should be enough to get the general picture):

    Assistance/Collaboration/Consensus building

    • Norden asks for support on Battle of Hermannstadt (was Sibiu at the time)1. The same plea is made to Koertefa and Fakirbakir. Borsoka, Fakirbakir, and Koertefa support it 2. None of the editors had previous input into this.
    • Fakirbakir asks for help, emphasizing that it's about a Serb editor and Slovak editor, and asks to make the article "free" again3. Koertefa obliged4.
    • KIENGIR asks for help with an editor "disrupting" the Austrian Empire (and bring reinforcements) 5. And Fakirbakir helps6.
    • Norden1990 asks for opinions7. And is swiftly supported by Borsoka, Fakirbakir and Koertefa 8.
    • KIENGIR again asks for help (some weird things going on, read it) 9 and both Fakirbakir and Borsoka support him 10. The supporting editor had no previous input on that page before.
    • Norden1990 Asked for support here 11, and Koertefa obliges 12.

    One Team, One Mission

    • How communicating in Hungarian on the talk pages presents certain advantages 13.
    • Stubes99 (a sock of his) makes and angry jab at Borsoka. At one point Stubes99 makes a personal attack (several actually) on Borsoka, but the one answering is Norden1990 - who by the way reminds Stubes99 how little he had to add to the "project", and that he's more of a liability than an asset. Stubes99 fights back against Norden1990, angrily juxtaposing himself to the new "star" of the year - Borsoka. Stubes99 fights back and... whatever. Please notice though the "ethnic cleansing on sensitive topics" 14.
    • How 15 the team consensus is used to push the PoV they want.
    • A rally call, fight the good fight, for the credible PoV.16.
    • And how a discussion about a map exemplifies what PoV the team is working on 17. Fakirbakir calls things as they are (which is not a NPOV...). But they go further... and decide to call that a NPOV basically. And you can read about the team's map-creating business here 18.
    • Norden1990's temporary departure, and his goodbye to Fakirbakir, Borsoka, Koertefa (which all respond in kind - Koertefa just above the section, Fakirbakir and Borsoka in the section). Some of the administrators here may also notice a pattern - how the block was "unfair" in the PoV of the "team" 19.
    • A lengthy conversation on how they must fight against Slovakian and Romanian editors, on how KIENGIR is admiring Borsoka, Koertefa, Norden and Fakirbakir for doing the "right" thing, about how the administrators cannot understand their fight, about how the Balkan and Eastern European mentality needs to grow up and lots of other exciting stuff. About the mission, in general. Very nice read until Borsoka reminds KIENGIR that maybe this is not the right place for such a conversation (obviously).19.
    • And last, but not least, a combined activity 20 of the users, that needs no comments, as the list of topics combined with their own admission on what their "mission" is on Misplaced Pages is more than enough to give the full picture.
    Other users whom may give more insight
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    Discussion concerning Koertefa, Norden1990, Borsoka, KIENGIR, Fakirbakir
    • Statement by Koertefa
    • Statement by Norden1990
    • Statement by Borsoka
    • Statement by KIENGIR
    • Statement by Fakirbakir
    Statements by other editors with insight in this case
    Result concerning Koertefa, Norden1990, Borsoka, KIENGIR, Fakirbakir

    VwM.Mwv

    Blocked for one week. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:46, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning VwM.Mwv

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    RolandR (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    VwM.Mwv (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:A/I/PIA :General prohibition, 1RR, disruptive editing
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 13:14, 13 February 2019 re-addition of reverted material to an article in the topic area
    2. 16:20, 12 February 2019 Disruptive editing - using Talk page as a forum
    3. 04:12, 13 February 2019 Disruptive editing - reversion of collapse of off-topic Talk page comments
    4. 04:40, 13 February 2019 Edit-warring - second re-addition of collapsed section, following reversion of first reversion by a third editor
    5. 05:32, 13 February 2019 Edit-warring - third re-addition of collapsed material (subsequently self-reverted)
    6. 10:12, 21 January 2019 Editing in topic area, following notification of General Prohibition
    7. 21:02, 22 January 2019 Another example
    8. 17:00, 30 January 2019 And another
    1. 17:57, 9 February 2019 One more
    2. 20:14, 30 January 2019 And yet another
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Date Explanation
    2. Date Explanation
    If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
    • Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. Here
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    VwM.Mwv is a very new editor (account created on 6 January 2019). Almost all of their 200 edits have been to articles in the Palestine/Israel conflict area, and they were notified of the arbitration ruling and general prohibition on 9 January. Despite this, they have continued to edit extensively in the topic area - a sample of such edits is listed above.

    The editor has also been using Talk pages as a forum, polemicising about the subject rather than discussing improvement of the articles. See for instance this edit at Talk:Walter Guinness, 1st Baron Moyne, and several edits at Talk:Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. In the course of thewse edits, the editor explicitly states that another editor is "anti-Semitic".

    After I collapsed (without deleting) some of the editor's off-topic comments and the replies, and left them an explanation on their Talk page, they started to edit-war to reverse the collapse, as detailed above.

    The editor has already been warned about edit-warring on another article in the topic area, but continued to edit the Talk page disruptively. Under the Genetral prohibition, "Editors who are not eligible to be extended-confirmed may use the Talk: namespace to post constructive comments and make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive". This editor's comments have become disruptive. Combined with the personal attack and edit warring, they cross the threshold for a sanction.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Here


    Discussion concerning VwM.Mwv

    Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
    Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

    Statement by VwM.Mwv

    Statement by Shrike

    • Some of his edits for example in Resilience party has nothing to do with the conflict and the article is not marked as belonging to the area the same applies to other articles.
    • user:RolandR Did you ask the articles to be ECP protected if you really thing that they belong to the conflict? --Shrike (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

    Result concerning VwM.Mwv

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

    Cristina neagu

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning Cristina neagu

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Tgeorgescu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Cristina neagu (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

    Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/CASENAME#SECTION :

    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Discretionary sanctions

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 14 Feburary 2019 Misplaced Pages is not comparative, it brings to mockery, please read the rules (regarding the EU, I will leave it that way in order Romania to do more efforts) Explanation: Hi Cristina, I don't know why you interpreted as "mockery" the mere fact that Romania is ranked at the same corruption perceptions' level with Cuba and Malaysia - is it not your perception that Cuba and Malaysia are somehow generally "inferior" to Romania and the fact that the perceived corruption level in Romania makes them as "inferior" as them? Mentatus (talk) 19:26, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
    2. 13 February 2019 Look, I was pissed off because our greatest kings, Burebista and Decebalus (Dacian), and Emperor Trajan (Romania) were deleted. Explanation for her psychological drive to perform WP:TE. Our kings? Romanians did not exist back then.
    3. 13 February 2019 First came the Hungarians who removed parts of our history in order not to be offensive to anyone, secondly you are coming and you are deleting everything. I will probably choose the most important images, because you know nothing about Romania since you are a Canadian trapper. Explanation: not necessary.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)
    • Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above. Not applicable.
    • Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above. Not applicable.
    • Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Not applicable.
    • Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. 11 February 2019.
    • Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date Not applicable.
    • Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date. Not applicable.
    • Successfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on Date. Not applicable.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    This editor shows a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality and pushes a nationalist POV. A six months topic ban from East-European politics and history, broadly conceived, would be all right.

    @Mr rnddude: I agree with a formal warning and subsequent scrutiny. My impression was that she did not get the point to refrain from WP:TE, although she did not lack wise advice. Tgeorgescu (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

    @Cristina neagu: We rarely have problems with holding opinions off-wiki; we do have problems with on-wiki behavior. Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:45, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested


    Discussion concerning Cristina neagu

    Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
    Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

    Statement by Cristina neagu

    Hello! I am not "nationalistic" user in the terms of battling (patriotic person yes, is this forbidden?), I created 145 new articles on Misplaced Pages. Thank you, Tgeorgescu, that you are hunting my profile and every words. Then you pretend you are a Christian, because I am really not problematic at all. Burebista, Decebalus and Trajan are part of the Romanian ethnogenesis (Dacian and Romans, Romania comes from "the people of Rome"). See what Britannia says. But I obeyed, it was a talk about a gallery of images. Banned for what, and why so harsh? In 2 and 3 those were my comments indeed but find out we reached the consensus, most likely I agreed with the user's actions and the "spammed" gallery was removed. The user even educated me in Misplaced Pages rules on nations articles. Regarding 1 I just removed "at par with Cuba and Malaysia", I remember I have seen on some pages the same thing (that comparative notes are not really necessary). I didn't keep going, I had a removal, then a removal with explanation and that's all. The user came back and put it back, ok. I can live with that. Remember, I obeyed every time!!! With everything, I tried to make this work. I am really not problematic at all, just show me from where to read and tell me what I have broken. I have a positive attitude and I will really educate myself more. I accept any decision, just hoping Mr admins will be wise. Tgeorgescu already warned me, but he is a single user, he might have been subjective. Anyway, I still listened to him but maybe I am still wrong in some aspects. If you think I am wrong, dear admins, let me know. Why ban if I was never even warned by an administrator? I just hope women are also welcomed on Misplaced Pages. In all the 3 cases presented I obeyed the opinions of the users at the end. Battling is a lot said, believe me. We can't have different opinions at all? Did you see wars involving me? Most of the times I didn't have the last word. Ok, I can reproach myself I might have been rude in some comments, and I really do apologise. 145 articles in 1 year and my activity was really light. I try to be human with everybody. Christina (talk) 09:22, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

    Some users were blocked for 1 WEEK, FOR WORSE THINGS, examples are at the top. Whilst you are asking for me 6-month block... Thanks a lot! Christina (talk) 12:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
    Hello! But that was a only a comment on a gallery of images (regarding the images, it was not even written anymore as Romanian king - but Roman soldiers salute Emperor Trajan during the Second Roman–Dacian War (the war marked the downfall of the Dacian Kingdom), I didn't write on the article that and in the end we agreed to keep only some images in order not to spam (I just wanted to keep more photos, including one of Trajan, but we had a consensus not to re-post again the gallery since it's spamming; at the end we kept the Dacian map, the Skull, and the Dacian and Roman Dacia as colony sanctuaries). Yes, TBAN, some other users were blocked for 1 week for worse things. Thank you very much, I consider your comment to be really objective! You see I am as passionate as you on history also. PS. You don't have to agree, but Romania will always consider Trajan as a forefather. We speak Romance language and that's why we pretend we are the descendants of the Roman cohorts, some also mixed with the Dacians (very few). Let's leave this way, Tgeorgescu is trying to twist things up, those were only my personal comments (on the article we did exactly what the other users decided, regarding spamming with the gallery, also previously regarding the content). Christina (talk) 12:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
    I don't want to accuse anybody, but this could be written on my Misplaced Pages CV. I never had reclamation. This is a like divide et impera following the policy of small steps in order to remove me from the site. First, a warning came from him from nowhere. Then this. Tgeorgescu's opinion about me is probably not good, I am like an obsession. Guess what, he is also a Romanian and we never interacted, that's why I am so emotional! Do you also use another user Tgeorgescu? I love when you report your mates, like I am some bandit of Misplaced Pages. I only reported once a troll who kept doing that, replacing good info with false info.Christina (talk) 13:00, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

    @Tgeorgescu: Just that it was off-article, I expressed my opinion but I didn't add it on the article. Just saying... Cristina neaguu (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by Mr rnddude

    Procedural comments: 1) Cristina neagu, comments are to be posted in independent sections. That is, don't post in another person's section. If you need to notify them, use the messaging system (WP:PINGs). 2) Tgeorgescu is pushing for a six month TBAN, not a six month block. A TBAN will prevent you from editing in a specific area of Misplaced Pages, but will not exempt you from contributing elsewhere.

    Comments on proposed TBAN: That said, a six month TBAN is an extremely harsh first step. For one, the issue presented is entirely localized to Romania. I can see no fathomable reason to extend a TBAN to cover all of Eastern Europe which spans from Poland/Croatia/Greece? to Estonia/Russia. Far too broad in scope. But, at this time, I don't really see a need to prohibit Cristina neagu from contributing to Romania topics either. The diffs presented are problematic (I loathe that word), and if persistent might be cause to TBAN. Right now, however, a warning to refrain from posting remarks about users ethnicities, or using ethnicity to further an argument, and to be more civil should suffice. Every editor, who is editing in good faith, has as much a right to edit/discuss any article on Romanian history as you.

    Short comment on content: Our kings? Romanians did not exist back then - You can practically ignore the ethnogenesis issue here. Trajan, emperor of Rome born in Spain, could under no conceivable definition be claimed to be a Romanian king. Mr rnddude (talk) 12:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Cristina neagu

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Well, most of these edits don't indicate much more than some serious competence issues (in terms of the English language and perhaps otherwise) on the part of Cristina neagu, but the "you know nothing about Romania since you are a Canadian trapper" comment is quite a bit more concerning. Cristina neagu doesn't come across to me as the type of knowledgeable, competent and collegial person we want to be editing sensitive and complicated topics. Thoughts by other admins? Sandstein 18:41, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
      • I am really sorry for my reaction and I am apologising again. I worked with Borsoka and Rosenborg fan for many hours on that project, and then the work was removed instead of a talk page message first. Nobody opposed to the spamming (image gallery) after he discussed the matter. You are a very qualified user but you are understimating me as a person and also my work. Btw you are using "much better" words in describing me than I did when I used "trapper". If it would be myself to judge, honestly I would not even judge users like me or you. Because we are a community here, and you can't really say I really break the rules of Misplaced Pages (I am talking for myself). Forbidding work on a topic, Sandstein? Really? Did you see previously what kind of users we had on those topics? All kind of mockers, I can prove most of them are still active and were never forbidden. Where was you or where were the others to keep the good work of Wikipeda as an encyclopedia and not the mockery site regarding Romania? I have seen for long time administrators banning the Romanians instead of the haters, because they treated the problem superficially. Don't you think I can also request enforcement for some users, but why would I do that since I try to get along with all? And then you call me non-collegial. You draw conclusions from two words. It's easy to talk from the outside. Christina (talk) 19:06, 15 February 2019 (UTC)