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Response to Hunger in the United States

Thank you for your support in my plans to revise the page. I want to first say I am sorry if I offended you. I did not mean to slam the page and was simply wanting to share my thoughts. Please note that I'm in the process of making changes, so if you see something that is not perfect please don't immediately delete a significant portion of my work. If you have any suggestions or comments feel free to share them with me. I really do want to help improve the page and hopefully draw more traffic to it ~~MBouchein — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBouchein (talk • contribs) 04:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Archiving: I tend to delete content on this page after about a month. If you prefer a lasting record Im always happy to come to your talk page.

Big welcome to the article rescue squadron

Articles tagged for deletion and rescue Category Articles tagged for deletion and rescue not found Hi, FeydHuxtable, welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron! We are a growing community of Misplaced Pages editors dedicated to identifying and rescuing articles that have been tagged for deletion. Every day hundreds of articles are deleted, many rightfully so. But many concern notable subjects and are poorly written, ergo fixable and should not be deleted. We try to help these articles quickly improve and address the concerns of why they are proposed for deletion. This covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated! Some points that may be helpful: Our main aim is to help improve articles, so if someone seeks help, please try to assist if you are able. Likewise feel free to ask for help, advice and clarification. Many times we are asked to help rescue articles by people new to our notability and sourcing policies. If the article is not fixable we can help explain why and offer alternatives. Many of these editors are also new to Misplaced Pages so may see deleting "their" article as "bitey". Encourage civility and maybe even {{welcome}} them if they have only been templated with deletion messages. The Articles for deletion (AfD) discussion is where the concerns regarding each article are brought up and addressed. To be an effective member of the project you need to know how AfD works as well as how to improve articles. Introduction to deletion process gives a good overview and some good advice for newcomers to deletion. Our primary work is improving articles tagged for rescue. On this template you can see a drop-down list of current articles tagged. You can install it on your own page by putting {{ARS/Tagged}}. A more dynamic list with article links and description is on our current articles page. It is highly recommended you watchlist it. If you have another language besides English, please consider adding yourself to the list of translators available. Articles and sources that use non-English languages often need translation for those of us who cannot translate for ourselves. Many important discussions take place on the project's main discussion page; it is recommended that you watchlist it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. And once again - Welcome! Ikip (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Ikip/89 -- full list of rescuable AfD discussions

FeydHuxtable, if you need any help at all, please let me know. Happy to see you as a new member! Ikip (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! Im impressed with how you guys operate. ARS seems to be the place to be and to be seen at :-) FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

A page you started has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Hunger in the United Kingdom, FeydHuxtable!

Misplaced Pages editor Theopolisme just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Looks good, thanks for the new article! Have you considered a WP:DYK?

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Council

Yes, probably a non-starter. OK...maybe no "probably" LOL! Funny thing though. Right after I wrote that I noticed that someone was proposing a "committee" for BLP issues. Who knows what will be accepted or rejected on Misplaced Pages these days. Just trying to get new editors to understand COI and other more basic concepts of policy and guideline seem wasted on deaf ears these days. So many are here just to make a point or fix a perception of their company or as actual paid marketing staff.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I never really attended an Occupy GA, until I helped to organize a very short lived version of an OWS demonstration in my own town. Our group considered the fact that we lived in our town and owned homes and worked in the area to be our "occupation". We didn't protest, we demonstrated and we actually worked with the local authorites to insure we were not doing anything that would put a single person in harms way. But...it fell apart because of the very things you mention and all due to a single person that refused to accept the consensus others.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps its a common feature of quasi anarchist communities. Jimbo's idea to start Misplaced Pages was so timely, fitting so well with the wider need of internet users, and so well protected by positional factors from rivals, that the project survives and even thrives despite these issues. Although probably a lot less efficiently and with much more unnecessary distress caused than if we had good old fashioned hierarchy, lol. It might even be better if the community doesnt fix RfA, as it will force the Foundation & Jimbo to act, setting a useful precedent. Thanks for the chat, its been most interesting! FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I agree. One last classical analogy...Rome began as a Monarchy, became a Republic and then went back to singular rule...which then attempted to resurrect a dual leadership that split the empire. Hmmmmmmmmm. Misplaced Pages I and Misplaced Pages II perhaps. LOL! (I wonder how close to reality that will turn out to be? I'm no oracle but....)--Amadscientist (talk) 22:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Maybe Misplaced Pages needs a King. Someone to take Jimbo's place. Someone with a far-ranging vision that doesn't get stuck in the mud of drama. Winston Churchill-like. Protective to a fault. A final arbiter. Completely trusted by the Misplaced Pages Society. Some enemies, sure, but would see them as just a pack of wild un-trained dogs nipping at his/her heals. ```Buster Seven Talk 13:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Shadow banking system

Hi there, Feyd. I left a reply at Talk:Shadow banking system with a suggestion to add some sources, if you're game. I wish to avoid direct editing, but I'd also like to avoid being annoying! Hope to see you back there when you have a moment. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI)

Hey, I appreciate your update on the page over the weekend. I can leave alone the request on which we don't see eye-to-eye, and I've actually got some additional improvements in the works. I've just posted a request to update the first, fourth and fifth paragraphs of the article's first section: mostly adding citations, but also making a few changes for clarity. Would you mind looking at them? Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:37, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 22:53, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Andy Haldane

Firstly, for info only, I've plagiarised your wikiotter. Re Haldane, the article needs expanding. Any chance of a good photo? I'm familiar with uploading -as I suspect you are. Regards JRPG (talk) 13:14, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Nice work on Credit theory of money

Hi Feyd, Just want to say that you've done a bang up job with Credit theory of money. I've just read through it and am really impressed with what a nice article it's turned into (especially considering the conspiracy theory inspired malarkey that used to be there). Great job! LK (talk) 06:21, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks LK! The kind words are most appreciated, especially coming from your good self. Ive been finding the concept useful, to think Id not have paid it much attention if it hadnt been for the Colonel. Quite a coincidence you should mention this now, have some interesting RL work going down involving this. It might all come to nothing depending on events next week, so wont bother you for now, but if things go as planned I might email you as I suspect youd find it pleasing to know. Thanks again. FeydHuxtable (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Simone Weil

Thanks for your comment Feyd, I'm glad you found it useful. Whether Weil would have eventually been sent to France is debatable (inevitably some recruits were weeded out during the training courses) but SOE did send some pretty unusual agents into France. (SOE2009 (talk) 17:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC))

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	For Chonga. Great work--you put me to shame. Drmies (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree, excellent expansion efforts and quality improvement work. :) — Cirt (talk) 18:25, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much

Feyd, thanks very much for your comment about my research, here. It's really most appreciated. Thanks again, — Cirt (talk) 23:14, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Feyd...

Happy Bobs 'yer Uncle Day

Happy Bob's 'yer uncleThanksgiving, FeydHuxtable!
As we Pilgrims sit down at the dinner table and say our thanks, I would like to give thanks to you for your wonderful contributions and wish you a very happy "Bob's 'yer Uncle day" or what ever your next Holiday is in Jolly Old England. May your turkey or venison or goose or ham or beast of choice satiate you until next year! TRA! Buster Seven Talk 17:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)}

Shadow banking system

Hi there, Feyd. It's been awhile since you looked at a previous request of mine for the Shadow banking system article and I've made another couple of requests there, one of which has been resolved and another that has not yet received any reply. I wondered, given your interest in the topic, if you'd be willing to consider the latest change that I've proposed for an update adding citations and further context to the Shadow banks' role in the financial system and their modus operandi section. My request is here on the Shadow banking system Talk page. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:48, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much

Feyd, thanks very much for the Barnstar over at Wikimedia Commons, I really appreciate it! I hope you're doing well! Thanks again, — Cirt (talk) 07:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

You're most welcome Cirt, hope all is well with you too. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar'd

		The Original Barnstar
		For coming back to help out on Shadow banking system and especially for the thought and energy you put into reviewing my contributions, I am extraordinarily grateful. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Chonga

On 29 November 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chonga, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Chonga has become a Miami icon, influencing fashion in South Florida and beyond? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chonga. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

• Woohoo! Drmies (talk) 03:25, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Information

I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 08:36, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I'll give it some thought and maybe contribute in the next week or two. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:43, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

It's great to see how active the community seems to be! Tpafla82 (talk) 18:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Brands

Hello, FeydHuxtable. You are invited to join WikiProject Brands, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Misplaced Pages's coverage of brands and brand-related topics. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000 08:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas FeydHuxtable

— иz нίpнόp is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Happy holidays!

Hello Feyd: Thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages and friendly disposition, and have a happy holiday season! Northamerica1000 12:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday cheer

		Holiday Cheer
		Michael Q. Schmidt is wishing you Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings.

Happy Holidays to you and yours

I've run out of cards and all the stores are closed. Have a very Merry Holiday Season and a wonderful and peaceful New Year. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:02, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

2013

An invitation for you!

	Hello, FeydHuxtable. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's article for improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members. Happy editing! Northamerica1000 10:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Feyd

You should drop me an email some time, we should get to know one another. best, —Tim /// MutantPop@aol.com /// Carrite (talk) 01:58, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Please take a look at this article

I reviewed your vast experience and wanted to contact you about helping to resolve a dispute. I'm being teamed up against by a group of self-avowed libertarians. I don't care that they are libertarians (or if you are) except for the fact they are using their ideology to skew the Koch Industries article. When I post positive things about Koch, they don't blink an eye, but if I dare put up anything critical, it gets deleted and frowned upon without balance. I'm trying to round up some disinterested third party input so I'm not getting steamrolled by biased editors. My goal is to make the article more informative and encyclopedic and that's it. Here's the current critical part of the Talk Page. Thank you. Cowicide (talk) 20:48, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

I see it's been just yourself versus 4 editors who all seem to be either Libertarians or conservatives. But from a quick look, wikipedia policy is broadly on their side, and the articles not too far off from NPOV (something that can be very different from the truth). So sorry but I'd advise disengaging. I'll try to give you a more detailed and helpful reply later. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:59, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I was expecting to post some advice on the advantages of assuming good faith when dealing with Libertarians. But checking your recent interactions , it looks like my advice would be unnecessary. Im not up for getting involved directly with KB articles, but if you wanted to know my general thoughts on the matter I'd be happy to either email or continue this discussion on your talk page. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

(stalker) I was just passing by when I saw this. Sad to say, without looking, I was sure I knew who at least one of the editors was. ......I just looked........I was right. You would be better off trying to "herd cats".```Buster Seven Talk 01:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Very true Buster. You remind me of an article I've been looking at about honest politicians. If there's a task that makes even coordinating wikipedians look easy, its trying to forge consensus with political activists, who tend to make even the average editor look softly spoken and unopinionated. Any many think politicians are incompetent as they often find it far harder to get things done than say in a well run work place. No wonder many turn into habitual liers, as without that or supernatural charm or force of personality they might as well be farming felines. FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:48, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) case evidence phase closing

This is a reminder to all parties as well as to those who have submitted evidence, that the evidence phase of this case closes at 00:00 UTC on 23 February 2013, which is in just over seven hours from now. For the Arbitration Committee --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Homeless kitten

User:Occono just gave me a kitten but, as I'm allergic to cats, perhaps it will be more welcome here :) Warden (talk) 21:20, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

It certainly is Colonel. It wants to watch over my talk for a while, and then it can find a permanent home over at kitten central. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:24, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

April 2, 2013, Kitten award for Kgrad

Thanks for the good words ! It's nice to know that my editing is appreciated. Having grown up in a grammar-conscious house, I enjoy improving any text. Kgrad Kgrad (talk) 00:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Breakfast

Hello, FeydHuxtable. You are invited to join WikiProject Breakfast, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Misplaced Pages's coverage of breakfast-related topics. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000 17:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks North. Im not usually up for joining new projects as you know, but as this one seems to have been created by one of most impressive model editors, I'll probably make an exception. I'd like to write an article on Breakfast Clubs, to complement our coverage of other food aid facilities like Food Banks and Soup Kitchens. Will join the project once I get a few hours to research and write it. Thanks again for the invite! FeydHuxtable (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Feyd: Thanks for the kind words, and for signing on with the project. When your article is published, please feel free to post it at the New articles section at the project page. Cheers, Northamerica1000 08:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week, for willingness to help other users out by editing and simply being friendly. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Misplaced Pages Editor Retention Project)

User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

FeydHuxtable (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a man of Peace, a WikiOtter. He does not have an abundance of edits but the ones he has are purposeful. He has created half a dozen articles on noted economist John Maynard Keynes and has worked extensively on others. Always respectful to his fellow editors, Editor Huxtable is a true example of what a collaborator should be. This is an editor that obviously works at the hard choice of resisting drama and focuses instead on the article. Insightful, reasonable, and a healthy partner in the editing process. I am proud to nominate him for Editor of the Week. ```Buster Seven Talk

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

{{subst:Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Recipient user box}}

Thanks again for your efforts! Go Phightins! 18:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

FeydHuxtable

FeydHuxtable is a WikiOtter

Editor of the Week for the week beginning April 28, 2013

With us since 2008, FeydHuxtable is an editor who prefers to stay under the radar and away from the drama. He believes that Nothing lasting is founded on force and never forgets that there are real people behind the usernames who edit Misplaced Pages. He calls himself a WikiOtter, and is willing to help other editors by being friendly. He has been with the Article Rescue Squadron since 2009 and has been responsible for rescuing many articles from AfD. He is a true example of a friendly and hardworking editor all of us should emulate.

Recognized for

Work at Article Rescue Squadron

Notable work(s)

Currency war

Nomination page

• A sincere thank you for the gift of your time here. One of the nice things about the Editor of the Week program is it gives me a chance to go through and check out the contributions of a recognized editor, and what I found was highly constructive edits and sound reasoning in discussion. It isn't about quantity of edits, it is about quality, something you obviously already "get". Glad to see you recognized for your dedication over the years. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
• What I said in my nomination is so very true. I am proud to call you a Wiki-friend. ```Buster Seven Talk 23:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
• Thank you for being such a great editor to Misplaced Pages!! :) Congratulations! You deserve it! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 05:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

~blushing~ Thanks all! I really appreciate this award. Buster, thanks especially for the very kind nomination, and I'm equally honored to count you as a wiki friend too. I'm not sure I deserve to be called a man of Peace, but it's nice to hear :-) . FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

• I too endorse the finding that He's a Jolly Good Fellow. Kudos!

In considering the matter, I notice that Feyd styles himself a WikiOtter, which seems appropriate. Myself, I'm more of a WikiDragon and it is said that "...a WikiDragon and a WikiOtter working in collaboration could potentially form a powerful team that could accomplish nearly any goal". There's even a meeting place to bring them together. By coincidence, I have just created a fresh topic which Feyd might wish to playfully explore. This combines economics with biological insight, rather like the WikiFauna concept. And IIRC, Feyd is quite tall too — it all makes sense...

Warden (talk) 11:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Colonel, it's certainly an honor to have worked together with yourself as a team, saving many valuable articles from destruction. If only I had the heroic character needed to venture into AfD more often. It is quite a conincidence about the your new creation - the Lucy Kellaway piece was one of the first articles I read on Monday, as it was featured on the front page of the FT. I was glad to read that for business success going bald is seen as a positive, lol. FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

• As a mark of awesomeness, you also get to keep this cool box you see on the right, and have bragging rights to display it anywhere you want :)

You also get your own place in our very own Hall of Fame.

Cheers,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations on EOTW! A special note...you are the first recipient to receive this since this went onto the community portal! Thanks for helping out!--Amadscientist (talk) 21:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again all. It's especially good to know about the community portal. I hope it raises awareness of the mighty Article Rescue Squad, a project that contains several editors who are much better model wikipedians than me. This editor of the week initiative has to be the single greatest wiki invention since barnstars, if not since ever! FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:55, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey Feyd

You mention several editors who are much better model wikipedians than me. Why dont you pick one or two, do a little research, and nominate someone. Take it from me, it is truly a good feeling to acknowledge a behind-the-scenes editor. TRA! ```Buster Seven Talk 12:09, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I know it Buster. In fact I couldn't agree more that the behind the scenes / social side of Misplaced Pages is both very rewarding and vital to our mission. Im glad I come across as a content builder, but I've never been totally focused on it. One of my first edits back in 2008 was to join the kindness campaign. I was lucky that one of the first editors I encountered was the phenomenal Chris the speller , which set a positive tone at the start of my Misplaced Pages experience. I've since been frequently awarding barnstars to good editors, and last year I wrote an essay on the value of positive recognition. Im not sure about nominating any of my fellow squad members though. The problem would be that while I think they're brilliant, others find them controversial. I not sure how I could write a nom that would be both sincere and non provocative. I'd hate to be the one to bring division to your lovely and peaceful part of Misplaced Pages! I do have some ideas about how to ensure ARS heroes receive the recognition they deserve, but I plan to wait until the conditions are right. Dont want to risk doing more harm than good. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree on both counts. I was extrememly lucky to have Alastair Haines as a mentor who set me on a focussed and happy Wiki-career. Early on I tried to create a squad of Wiki-knights that would go around defending the down-trodden masses. ITs still a good idea and I may ask you one day to Join (SHHHHH!. Its a Secret!) Also, my long time WikiFriend Editor Writegeist is a true character that no one else understands. I would love to give him an EotW Aaward but he would not get past the guards at the gate. Controversial and willing to stick his neck into a noose to get a laff.```Buster Seven Talk 17:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Writegeist certainly seems to be quite a character :-) . FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and have some pierogi!

	Pierogi Award
	Thanks for your support of my RfA. It didn't succeed this time, but that's no reason not to have some nice pierogi. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:25, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	A barnstar for your creation of the new School breakfast club article. Thanks for working to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of breakfast- and school-related topics. Cheers, Northamerica1000 04:16, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Northamerica1000 12:59, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello. You have a new message at Northamerica1000's talk page. Message added by Northamerica1000 13:54, 18 May 2013 (UTC).

Long time no see...

...hope you're doing well. Drmies (talk) 16:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Oslo breakfast

On 28 May 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oslo breakfast, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Oslo breakfast was provided free of charge to all primary school children in Oslo from 1932? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Oslo breakfast. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :-)

Thank you Feyd, haha, I remember it back when I review the article history and saw Northamerica1000 contribution to rescue it from deletion. You and him are a very great rescuer editors! :-) — иz нίpнόp 23:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Hunger topics

Per your idea creating a Misplaced Pages portal based upon topics related to hunger, here's some links I located. While you have likely seen some of these, perhaps you haven't seen them all. Misplaced Pages has a great deal of coverage relating to this important topic, as evidenced below.

• Action Against Hunger
• Adventist Development and Relief Agency
• Afghanistan Relief Organization
• American Refugee Committee
• American Relief Administration
• Australian Freedom From Hunger Campaign
• CARE (relief agency)
• Children's Hunger Fund
• Church World Service
• Commission for Relief in Belgium
• Cross International
• Delhi Food Banking Network (currently nominated for deletion)
• Episcopal Relief and Development
• Famine
• Famines in Ethiopia
• Feed the Children
• Feeding America
• Focus Humanitarian Assistance
• Food and Agriculture Organization
• Food bank
• Food Donation Connection
• Food First
• Food Force
• Food for the Hungry
• Food security
• Foodways
• Freedom from Hunger
• Global Hunger Alliance
• Great Famine
• Hare Krishna Food for Life
• Hunger in the United Kingdom
• Hunger in the United States
• Hunger Prevention Act of 1988
• Hunger Task Force, Inc.
• Jewish Relief Agency
• Kids Against Hunger
• Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl
• List of famines
• Local United Network to Combat Hunger
• Meals on Wheels
• National Crusade Against Hunger (Mexico)
• North Korean famine
• Oxfam
• Share Our Strength
• Society of St. Andrew
• Soup kitchen
• Stop Hunger Now
• Walk the World
• We Are the World
• World Food Council
• World Food Programme

• World Hunger Relief Week

• World Hunger Relief
• World Hunger Year
• World Relief

It appears that there are many more Misplaced Pages articles available. Again, as time allows, I can assist in the development of a portal to cover this under-reported and vitally crucial topic. Sincerely, Northamerica1000 07:21, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ever so much for this North, you're right I didn't know about all those articles. Im not expecting to have a clear couple of hours to work on this for the next 7 days, but should do the following weekend. There's no deadline, but Im going to set myself a target of cop June 9th to create the portal, or at minimum, to post on my talk or subpage the full info you advised per this diff. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:00, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for replying! Here's a few more pages that are useful:

• Category:Hunger relief organizations
• Category:World Food Programme: has several biography articles that could be used in a selected biography section
• Category:Food banks
• Category:Misplaced Pages Portal templates: vital, and makes portal creation easier and standardized

 – Northamerica1000 02:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

KW block length

The discussion at this thread is about a single edit, which, unless I missed something, has nothing to do with RfA. I accept that an editors complete history is relevant to determining the appropriate block length for this edit, but I think it is an abuse of process to propose anything related to RfA in this thread. If someone wants to create an RfC, which can cover the waterfront, they should do so, but using this one edit to propose remedies unrelated to the original incident is not something I think should happen.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 00:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

For me there's a strong relationship with RfA. If you read the overall thread, 'Request for Adminship' / RfA was mentioned about 10 times prior to the problematic edit. Although I don't think KW is helpful at RfA, I've no strong desire to see him topic banned, his presence might hasten the radical reform that process needs. I made the proposal as a sort of compromise solution, as I'd hate to see him remain indeffed. As I implied, KW is an all too rare scholar, and I like him due to our shared interest in topics like Simone Weil, universal reconciliation, and his defense of a certain excellent but sometimes misunderstood editor.

Maybe I was being pessimistic, but prior to my comment it seemed there was strong endorsement for an indeff. A community consensus for an indeff can be effectively a permaban, even when some say "indeff doesnt have to mean infinite". I couldnt defend KW by making light of the comment, as I did think it was extremely OTT,the sort of thing that drives editors away, or at least discourages essential intergenerational collaboration and mentoring. Anyhow, while I can't agree with you at all here, its good some are unequivocally taking KW's side , and thanks for the comment. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

You bring up a good point I glossed over, that the block and subsequent block duration discussion was not a standalone thread but a subthread of the iban discussion. I'm not a fan of ibans imposed in this way, so while I looked at the earlier material, I didn't study it, and didn't appreciate that it involved RfA that much. That complicates the situation.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 11:56, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. Im gutted to see the indef its still in place. At least the AN was closed in such a way that Keifer can easily get the block lifted if he makes a commitment to take care to avoid the appearance of making such insinuations again. FeydHuxtable (talk) 22:39, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Hunger relief

Portal:Hunger relief updated. Scroll down and view the categories and topics sections. It's a start. Cheers, peace, Northamerica1000 13:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much North. Great selection of articles, all of those are either examples of hunger relief or highly relevent. A shame some of them are only stubs or have unsightly tags, but as you say, it's a great start! :-) FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Workmanship

I was musing about barn raising in another discussion recently. Here's a barnstar for yours too:

		The Workers' Barnstar
		Awarded for outstanding workmanship. Warden (talk) 15:18, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

This week's articles for improvement - 22 July 2013 to 28 July 2013

posted by Northamerica1000 12:22, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Just want to say a big thank you for giving Occupy (book) its GA review! Much appreciated! Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for your kind reply at my talk page, and happy editing! Northamerica1000 06:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update

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We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

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Clarification

I provided some of the sources cited on Talk:Bradley_Manning/October_2013_move_request, but not all of them. Josh Gorand (talk) 10:49, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Evidence phase open - Manning naming dispute

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Re: Simone Weil

Ti ringrazio, ma il merito è soprattutto di MLWatts. È stato lui a capire quali sono i criteri adatti per caricare alcune immagini di Simone Weil su Commons. Speriamo che almeno queste non vengano cancellate. :-) Ciao --Spinoziano (talk) 16:16, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar you awarded me! I'm glad the pictures I uploaded to Commons were helpful for many articles in different languages... making sure they were out of copyright took some doing, but it was worth it. Cheers, --M.L.Watts_{Watts up?} 11:34, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Kinetic architecture

Dear Feyd, I understand your point and will find the best way for Jose Leonidas Mejia's contributions to be included at the article. A blog is not enough and I agree. But I will insert the link on Arkinetic House, that Jose Mejia invented as one of his contributions to kinetic Architecture. Thanks again and see you around. kitaro —Preceding undated comment added 18:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Dear respectable Mr. Feyd Huxtable, Please give me a hand on a revised editing at Kinetic Architecture as I added again the following paragraph to the Historical view point, so you can see my grammar and make possible the content of this editing to be part of the whole article.You did a nice change on some words in September 2013 and would like if you approved my suggested editing to that portion:

History ..... In 1989, Architect Jose Leonidas Mejia from Columbia, did improved the concept in a deep application. He experimented with multiple displacement of the structure to make the building to transform every day with different shapes. Mr. Mejia is working on an experimental project he called "The Arkinetic House", which is feed by renewable energy sources as Biomimicy is a concept that he says is relevant to imitate nature into architectural designs. http://kinetic-architecture-jose-l-mejia.blogspot.com/2010/02/kinetic-architecture-of-jose-leonidas.html kitaro

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Changes to Energetically Modifed Cement Page

Dear Feyd:

I have been editing the Energetically modified cement page since Jono2013's sad demise. Jono2013 has not returned since he collapsed in May.

I am writing to you because, having read certain entries, you had an insight into "self-healing" so I thought you might find the EMC page interesting. I have spent entire weekend adding a section on pozzolanic chemistry, also with a short sub-section on EMCs' self-healing (autogenous effects). It is all fully-referenced and you may find it interesting.

Also, you may find some of the papers mentioned in the autogenous section regarding Hagia Sofia, very interesting.

On account of Jono2013's work the page was rated a "B" by the Chemistry portal. I have done a lot of work since, and want to drive that rating higher. I think you are the type of person who will "appreciate" the full enormity of the requirements for writing a decent page on applied material sciences, the implications of the subject-matter of article, and also the "multi-disciplinary" approach needed in order to fully capture matters in the article.

I.E., I think it is already a very good page but you may have thoughts.

I also plan to write about EMC Activation itself. This will require a deeper analysis of mechanical activation theories, which are not fully understood. Then again, 200 years since its advent, and Portland Cement's role in concrete formation is not fully understood either.

Kind regards 213.66.81.80 (talk) 08:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

God jul på dig!
Hello Feyd!

Thank you for your message and kind offer. I am sorry I have not been able to respond but I have been very busy especially with xmas approaching. In Sweden we have it one day earlier than in UK and so it has been busy busy busy. I have not been able to contact Jono. I don't know what happened there but if I do manage to hear from him I will be sure to pass on your kind messages.

Regarding your thoughts, well I am going to be away in the mountains here in Sweden (no internet!) for at least until after the New Year so I would not want you to ruin your xmas break working on EMC!

Why don't we "re-convene" in New Year sometime? By all means if you have a suggestion for the intro section to the page, then why not drop it on my talk page and we can have a play with it together before posting it live? I will get back to you as soon as I can but I do not know when that will be as in the new year I must travel to China in first full week back and I do not want to be accused of using multiple addresses and get blocked. So whenever you feel like it -if you feel like it- have a go some time in the New Year and let's take it from there!

Thank you to you once again and kind thoughts with you and your family during the festive period.

God jul och ett gott nytt år! mvh 213.66.81.80 (talk) 22:08, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. ```Buster Seven Talk 19:13, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hunger in the United Kingdom

Thank you for creating this article. I've added the "Europe topics" template at Hunger_in_the_United_Kingdom#External_links; can you believe your article is the first article on famines in a European country? Through I wonder if the Category:Hunger and Category:Famines may not overlap; I've written Famines in Austrian Galicia a while ago. I wonder if articles discussing hungers and famines in a given country shouldn't be renamed to a certain standard, i.e. what do you think about renaming your article to Famines in the United Kingdom? (If you reply here please WP:ECHO me, thanks). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

@User:Piotrus I might have supported your RfA again if I could have got a nice kitten like everyone else. The rename you suggest is out of the question, over 95% of the article, and over 95% of the sources, are about hunger not famines. I shouldn't have to explain the difference between hunger and famine to a professor of your obvious talents and knowledge. If someone like you rushes about the wiki making random suggestions without taking the time to assess situations first, you run the risk of being annoying or even coming across as a troll, as per some of the diffs on your RfA. A shame as to me you come across as someone of the highest potential ( I don't just mean on Misplaced Pages). Many would respond to the hazing you've had at RfA by becoming more cynical and perhaps embittered. But perhaps you'll be courageous enough for a little painful introspection, and come out with less ego and so much more ability to read (and change) situations. FeydHuxtable (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Your thoughtful hazing here is noted, and added to my ongoing introspection. Thank you for the constructive elements found within. Cheers, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:14, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

New article

Hello Feyd: Here's a new one I created today, feel free to improve it if interested: List of public house topics. Cheers, Northamerica1000 13:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much for that North, it looks great. I was just checking in and don't have time for any more wiki work for a while, so just pinging pub loving editors @User:Andrew Davidson and @User:Edwardx as they might like to appreciate/ work on it too. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

It's all good. Thanks for taking a look, and hope all's going well for you and yours in your part of the world. Northamerica1000 13:34, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Citadel spread

Hello there Feyd! – Per your interest in hunger relief topics, check out and feel free to improve the new Citadel spread article. NorthAmerica 13:36, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Data doubling

I was interested in your 12 hours quote. The ref you gave in turn referred to an IBM document, designed to sell IBM services, written in 2006, that said "it is predicted that" data will double every 11 hours, with no reference (or mention of the Internet of things). Of course, as you will be aware, doubling every 12 hours is an increase of a thousand fold every 5 days, or a billion-billion-fold every month, so the claim is ludicrous on its face. If you have any further information on where this claim originated, though, I'd be interested to know. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC).

Hi Rich. No, I don't have further info on the IBM claim. I agree it seems unlikely the 12 hour rate could be sustained, on reflection perhaps I should have not have included that claim as it's not necessary to the main point about exponential growth. Was a little excited to see Idot had finally (IMO) cracked the riddle about the forces driving the death spiral across all the different language wikipedias. If you're interested in this sort of thing, then in case you didn't already see it, the recent cicso report about data growth over the next few years is much more believable. Here's a nice summary with reference to Internet of things. All the best to you too. FeydHuxtable (talk) 04:44, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

I noticed an old comment of yours...

...at an AfD someone linked to, and I just wanted to drop by and say that I admire your position regarding BLPs of folks who don't want one. I don't know how popular a position it is, but IMO it's a kind and decent one, and I just wanted to tip my hat to you. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Can't believe Im being thanked for a delete vote! For what it's worth it's still my view that the subject's preference should be decisive in case of borderline and even intermediate notability. Some very moral editors seem to take the opposite view, so I guess there must be complexities Im not seeing. Thanks for the appreciation! FeydHuxtable (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

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We're back baby

shall we rework the article? (for other stuff too)Lihaas (talk) 12:21, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Keep it comings.Lihaas (talk) 20:18, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Are you seeing the yen? talk about a currency war..From 79 to 113 in about less than 5 years? that's almost a 40% depreciation!Lihaas (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

WE AINT don't yet...Lihaas (talk) 10:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

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Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
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RfA

Hi Feyd: Since you're interested in the RfA process, a matter of note is that several people who contributed to my first RfA (RfA1) in early November 2012 were later blocked for various reasons or even banned from Misplaced Pages. I'm interested in learning your opinion/perspective regarding all of this.

• User:BarkingFish – Indefinitely blocked. Asked question #9 in the Questions for the candidate section at RfA1
• User:Kiefer.Wolfowitz – Site banned
• User:Qworty – Site banned
• User:Intoronto1125 – Indefinitely blocked
• User talk:Northern Antarctica – previously edited as User:AutomaticStrikeout, this person was my nominator at RfA1. Indefinitely blocked per a self-requested block.

Meantime, I continue to perform in the management of AfD discussions, including closing discussions, relisting discussions, adding deletion sorting, managing AfD logs, etc. with absolute objectivity and precision, and have never been blocked. I find the irony of some of this to be slightly humorous, but only ever so slightly (e.g. being opposed by some as not being competent by those who were later found to be incompetent per Misplaced Pages processes). What would you think? NorthAmerica 12:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey North. I find it much too tragic to see much comedy value - as said before I think you have the qualities to be one of the best admins ever. (This is not to say I think you'd be good in the even more advanced roles. You're too peaceful a person to be much of a tactician, and an Arbritator needs good tactical awareness.)

Other than KW and Automatic, Im not familiar with those accounts, but in the general case I did say even five years ago that serial opposers seem to especially despise friendly and helpful candidates. So for that reason it was not a big surprise your first RfA had so much opposition. I especially exempt good Kiefer from this criticism. We had quite a few things in common, I think he was an excellent chap for the most part, we even talked off wiki about a possible meetup in Sweden, as I sometimes visit there. Must admit though he could sometimes be rather aggressive, and did have high standards for RfA. I remember he always used to label even Kudpung's very moderate reform project as "RfA deform". AutomaticStrikeout is quite different - Id say he is a very good natured person, but way too young to have the tactical awareness to understand RfA. Not a good nominator for you at all. Spartaz on the other hand would be perfect, and now is still a good opportunity if you wanted to take the risk. Bit of a shame you don't want anyone talking to TParis, although you did give good reasons not to to Stalwart. I was thinking months back that if it was possible to talk to TParis face to face, he could probably be talked out of any false perceptions he might have about you. So I kept checking the wikimania attendance list to see if he was coming, as then I'd have made a point of going. Ah well that's in the past now. I think there is a chance a 2nd RfA would succeed even if Paris decides to attack. And he may decide not to on his own. I've never understood why he attacked your first, before that I'd perceived him to be a man of honor. And on paper you should in many ways be an ideal candidate by his standards - he makes a big deal of liking folk who are open minded, and good at recognizing others point of view, a quality you have in abundance. Btw I emailed you a week back to advise on RfA tactics. You are only the second person I've ever offered my free services as a campaign manager! Not sure if you didn't reply as you only like to talk on wiki. Anyway hope this is of some help. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Feyd. A brief note: As I stated here, I don't mind if anyone else notifies TParis ("Do however you please outside of this talk page"), but I'd rather not because that user has stated in the past that he prefers to limit communications between ourselves (diff). See additional diffs I provided at the discussion linked above for more context. I remain neutral, so if that user changes their mind about the matter, then so be it. However, commentary at the end of the discussion here (second post from the last), appears likely be about me (although not certainly), and doesn't inspire confidence. NorthAmerica 01:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I think you're right North. I'd seen that thread before, but not the comment near the end, as I was focusing on the reasons folk were declining to run. Based on this up to date info, probably best to not to say anything. On the bright side, if the person in question appreciates they're not objective where you're concerned, it's more likely they'd not involve themselves in any 2nd RfA, or at least not attack it too forcefully. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:04, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Pinging User:Stalwart111 here per the above. NorthAmerica 22:28, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Appreciated. As on NA1K's own talk page - I'd be keen to see him run again and would happily put myself forward as a nominator or co-nominator. My only concern is that I spend plenty of time around here in contentious AFDs and subsequent ANI discussions. There are plenty of people who dislike me for reasons completely unrelated to my desire to see NA1K given the mop. I'd hate to have that process (the "campaign" as Feyd nicely puts it) derailed because of irrelevancies. In the same regard, I'm familiar with most of those accounts but none of their reasons for leaving (forced or voluntary) had anything to do with NA1K as far as I'm aware. I'd object strongly to any suggestion that NA1K isn't suitable for adminship because he was previously supported by those no longer part of the community. Spartaz would be an outstanding nominator if you could get him on board. St★lwart 23:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Agreed that Spartaz would be ideal. Unless Im totally misreading, he has already said he's up for nominating North: I have reviewed your closes and for this reason I'm suggesting we make this official following on from his previous statement "If you are interested in being nominated please let me know....." .

North as your co campaign manager with Stalwart, I recommend if you're up for taking the risk, you post on Spartaz's talk saying you're ready to stand if he's still willing to nom. And ask Spartaz if he thinks a co nom from Stalwart would help. I personally think it would, but Spartaz can write a very powerful solo nom, and there are a few that think having more than one nominator is over baking. FeydHuxtable (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Data... please.

Hey there. I'm a very visual person. Could you give me a table with active editors, failed RfAs, Passes RfAs, failed RfBs, & Passed RfBs per month? I could turn these numbers into predictive graphs showing a few things that might help your case. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} 17:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Email

Some thoughts on your RfA proposal

I know this discussion has only just opened, but with the flurry of activity so far, I've been reflecting on it and my own stance since I've opined there. It's pretty clearly met with some serious disagreement, but at the very least, there are some ideas on the table that I hope can be productive takeaways so far based on my read of things:

• Many editors who want RfA to be maintained still recognize where you're coming from in this proposal. I certainly do. Even though they disagree with this approach, I think these are editors you want to seriously consider working together with on the other side of this proposal if you want to see something happen.
• Many editors are flat out not going to accept abandoning the process without some alternative done or in the works. This point can be debated based on the premises you laid out in your proposal (perhaps another waste of time), but I don't think this is unreasonable even in consideration of past failures to arrive at a new model for RfA.
• Anna Frodesiak and many others agreed that they aren't convinced there are significant problems with how RfA works. This is fair, since claims for declining participation in RfAs lack evidence outside of personal observations and self-reporting, which, speaking as someone with research experience, are not the greatest methods of data gathering for the kind of claims being made. (I saw you note there was "non anecdotal evidence" somewhere-- but looking WP:RFA2011 and its associated pages, I didn't see anything like that.) It might be good to consider identifying folks who might consider running an appropriate study, like a factor analysis, perhaps through an Individual Engagement Grant.

This is all to say, there is a lot of work ahead, as I'm sure you expected no matter what the outcome of this discussion was. I, JethroBT 14:33, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The decline worries many of us. It is the cause that is in dispute. Being certain about the reasons for the drop in numbers seems like the best place to start. I asked for views here. What are your thoughts? A study? A simple poll? A survey? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 14:42, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@Anna Frodesiak: Sorry this has spilled onto a couple of pages. Let me express a couple of thoughts on methodology:

• One approach is to conduct an exploratory factor analysis. We've advanced ideas about why adminship has been declined already: Some of these factors deal with the specific editor (attitude, preparation, interpersonal factors), some of them deal with the system (instances of behavior that disrupts the process, that bad questions are permissible, degrees of harshness in opinions, general expectations). Some deal with the behavior of other admins and editors (the degree to which they invite and nominate). There is also the case that some of these factors interact with each other (i.e. problematic factors in the system might create bad attitudes about RfA), which is fine, because I doubt any of these factors are completely independent from other ones. Researchers would need to think hard about what things go into what factor and how to measure them, but this approach might allow us to look at what factors were most responsible for the decline.
• If we do a survey asking folks about why they chose not to engage in RfA, I think a hugely important thing needs to happen is that editors needs to avoiding reading into responses or conclusions as though they mean something else entirely. That comment about how someone says "RFA is too hostile" really means "I don't actually want to take on that job" just isn't a valid unless there is context suggesting it. (There are, of course, responses that can be multiply interpreted, e.g. "I am afraid to do an RfA" could be because it's hostile, or because they simply don't like being visible, or because they feel like their chances are slim because no one will nominate them, or whatever).

I, JethroBT 16:53, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with all you say, except the possible implication that I might be taking part in the future hard work. IMO if you play a prominent role in a reform effort and it fails, then especially if you're a fairly low profile editor like myself, you become a liability to future attempts. So the best thing you can do is get out of the way, at least for several years. This is why I took no part in RFA2011 even though I've long strongly felt the brokenness of RfA is one of the biggest reasons our community is less collegial than it could be, and doesn't achieve it's full potential. (Id previously took a big part in the sept 2009 reform efforts. ) So no more serious RFA reform work for me until at least 2019.

Thanks though for the message and for supporting the proposal, it's good to know there's others who see the RfA beast as a serious issue. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	I may not agree with your proposals on RFA reform, but you've stimulated the most in-depth discussion on the topic that I've seen for some time, and for that you deserve considerable acclaim. Thanks for having the nuts to propose something very much outside the box. Yunshui 水 15:49, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank so much Yunshui, I love the barnstar. Although editor Townlake deserves one much more than me. I lack the imagination to conceive such a genuinely new approach to the RfA problem - it was Townlake who originally made the proposal on the RfA talk page, Im just his point man. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:10, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

RfA Talk

Reading of the RfA proposal at the Village pump and elsewhere caused me to revisit my failed administrator attempt and to re-live a rather painful period in my WP-life. Since then I have been silent on many important issues that concerned me before I withdrew. I think I was thrown under the bus by the first oppose and never was able to recover. In hindsight I'm glad I didn't make it. I know I thanked you at the time for your support and your rebuttal to some of the opposes, but let me thank you again. I know there are good editors that suffer the bad results of a failed attempt at "adminship". The support is easily forgotten but the sting of the opposes lingers on. ```Buster Seven Talk 19:03, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for inadvertently being the cause of painful memories Buster! I hope you're also able to see the marks left by some of those stings as badges of honor? The brightest light casts the darkest shadow. c.f. John 3:20 , John 15:18 . At least you're still here and remain a positive presence. As you'll know several good editors savaged at RfA just withdrew completely. It's not just candidates that suffer due to the current system, it's the existing admin corps, the wider community, even the serial opposers themselves. On the bright side, no harmful thing lasts forever, and only Love endures in Eternity. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hi Feyd: After significant consideration, I have decided to move forward with another request for adminship. Per your previous input regarding this matter, please see the Request for adminship discussion I have started on my user talk page. Thanks for all of your input, and I look forward to hearing from you. NorthAmerica 12:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

• Feyd, this seems like a nice place to say hey, I got nothing against NA1000; I like them a lot better then I did three years ago, in the Occupy time and all. But to vote for them in RfA takes more than that. Since the admin tool has so many applications I simply need to see more experience in all kinds of areas--and such experience often follows from the creation and discussion of different kinds of articles. AfD is an important area, but it's not the only one--just look at all the "civility" and admin abuse cases on ANI. Drmies (talk) 22:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

It's always nice to see you here Drmies. I think I see what you're saying, and I agree. Like you I know of no evidence North would be good at making the touger admin calls such as distinguishing tool misuse from firm but useful adminship, or dealing with our talented but sometimes uncivil FA writers. If anything, I'd guess they'd struggle with that sort of thing. But that's by the by, North just wouldn't be the type to try muscling in on the more challenging sort of admin work. They're mostly a cautious person, who'd stick to the mop and bucket side of adminship, like backlogs, maybe some anti vandal work, and mainly deletion processes where they clearly do have the experience and communication skills to satisfy the vast majority of editors who might take issue with their closes - one of many examples. Granted, there's an element of faith in trusting that North will stick to the things they're good at, but if there's one thing RfA stats these last few years show, it's that there simply aren't enough good candidates who posses the qualities to be an ideal all rounder.

To address the other reason you gave for opposing, North did actually reflect on the lessons of their first RfA in detail and ask for further input on lessons to be learned. As many have noted they've changed their behavior based on feedback from they first RfA. I can see why you suggested North may lean towards recentism, but they sometimes show a good feel for history in their article work too, for example History of breakfast. Which brings us back to cookery. Another reason North's fave topic could be seen as non trivial is that pleasure from eating becomes an essential sex substitute for those older people not lucky enough to stay active in the bedroom. We all need regular doses of pleasure in one form or another to stay sane in this wicked world. Im not sure if this is enough for you to support, but perhaps you could consider withdrawing your oppose? Adminship is too important to the health of our project for us to miss out on good new additions to the corps. FeydHuxtable (talk) 23:47, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Feyd. (Did you just call me old???) I looked at those notes and they make me think that NA won't break the project if he gets the tool. But I can't withdraw my oppose, though I appreciate your asking, because of--well, the things I've mentioned before. If I had seen more of NA in other venues (not just ANI, though that would have been helpful) I might well have felt differently, but again, in their note to Stalwart, nothing but deletion is brought up, and there are so many other things to do. As far as I can tell, we don't need more admins to clear up AfD and CSD and all that. We need admins to settle disputes, to close contentious RfCs, to block and unblock, to monitor and patrol SPI, to keep an eye on ArbCom pages and AN/ANI, to make decisions in light of the ever-increasing list of articles that fall under discretionary and general sanctions, to (semi-)protect articles, to deal with BLP matters... And like it or not, NA will be installed, if it happens, with a complete set of tools, not just deletion, and I have no idea if they'll put that block tool, for instance, to good and not excessive use. (Not using it at all is also not helpful.) I simply want to see more. Let's not stare ourselves blind on my comment about some food article or other; I think too many people misread that, and in the end that's not where it's at. NA, if you're reading this, good luck. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Certainly was not meaning to call anyone old, after seeing yourself and Andrew discuss the various sex articles I just thought I'd add another reason why cookery can be of increasing interest to some of our readers. I hear what you're saying about North's fave topic not being your main reason for opposing. FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Sorry for the horrid delay. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 23:17, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)#Time_to_replace_RfA

Hi Feyd. Just reading through your proposal at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)#Time_to_replace_RfA and it appears that there has been a good discussion but the time has passed beyond when the vote should be closed, the majority view seems against the proposal and the turnout has also been insufficient to justify such a significant change. For these three reasons do you agree to close the debate? AndrewRT(Talk) 21:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Hey Andrew. I agree with your first two points. Im surprised it hasn't been closed already. I'd be up for closing it once Im able to give the debate a good 40 mins attention so I can sum up the outcome. Obviously the consensus is clearly against the original proposal, but a sizable proportion of the 'Maintain' votes are open to changing RfA if an alternative was decided upon first. The current debate is not well structured to produce consensus for such an outcome - much as I respect lTopGunl's good intentions, their counter proposal would have had a much better chance if they had closed the other two options first . It's probably too late for that now and would be best to close the whole debate, possibly re-presenting TopGun's plan in fall 2015, assuming our net decline of active admin continues. It would be tomorrow evening at the earliest that I'd close the debate - it's obvious the debate has produced no consensus for any sort of change, but I think whoever closes should carefully read everyone's input first so they briefly sum up the balance of views. No objection at all if yourself or anyone else wants to close before I get round to it. FeydHuxtable (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the ping. I guess I was a little late to observe the impromptu structuring of the proposals (and start a dedicated section for something that was being supported); I admit it would have given some steady course of action if it was even better structured. With that said, I am confident that it will still be taken into account regardless of the fact that many old comments that would have been in this subsection still lay in the old one(s) as they express their intent per se. I'm not an admin, so didn't think an NAC was appropriate as the discussion seemed to be atleast a bit contentious. --lTopGunl (talk) 08:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome TopGun. I hope you don't mind too much that I've close the whole discussion. With hindsight, I agree your proposal would have had a vastly bigger chance of success than mine & Townlake's. But as we made ours first, for now most of the oxygen available for RfA reform has been used up, and IMO leaving the discussion in place would do more harm than good. If you're not happy with this, you're welcome to revert my close. I'd love for some kind of direct change to come out of the discussion, I just feel that time for that has passed. If you wait for the current recruitment efforts to run out of steam and relauch your proposal, I think you might be onto a winner. FeydHuxtable (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

The discussion wasn't structured well for a clear consensus, so it was the right thing to close it. the linked proposals are already independently being worked on. Hopefully they'll get consensus given that this discussion did conclude that another parallel was needed. Cheers. --lTopGunl (talk) 11:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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"another editor living in Japan (強斗武 ) also questions your views on the matter"

That's not unusual: professional scholars never agree on everything, and virtually everything they publish relates primarily to those details on which they disagree, even if there is a general "consensus" view to which they all adhere, and Wikipedians are no different -- we agree on a general principal like "articles should be based on reliable sources", and to those who don't hold this view this can look like we agree on everything. If you look at our discussions of content minutiae, you'll find that User:Curly Turkey, User:Nishidani, User:Sturmgewehr88 (whom you mentioned -- no idea why you copied the kanji string from his sig) and I hardly ever agree; we usually agree to disagree. The reason it looks like we agree is that we all hold the view that Misplaced Pages should summarize the scholarly consensus and generally not give special weight to any of our more idiosyncratic views.

There are some things virtually everyone who knows anything about Japanese culture and society agree upon ("modern Japanese are not descendants of Chinese horseriding invaders who arrived 4,000 years ago and wiped out the indigenous population", for example), and when we are forced by circumstance to spend time on such questions it looks like we are all friends who hold the same point of view, but we're not necessarily going to agree on more controversial points like whether Clarke or Arudou is a better voice for Euro-Australio-American ex-pats in Japan, or whether it would be more in Misplaced Pages's interests to avoid systemic bias by putting too much emphasis on World War II in our History of Japan article by potentially risking going too far in the other direction by making it look like a Japanese second-level social studies textbook that whitewashes Japanese war crimes in China while placing a peculiar emphasis on the Sengoku period. We have had cordial disagreements on these matters quite frequently, but if Sturmgewehr88 knew you were essentially citing his cordial disagreements with me to justify editors I criticize for adding content equivalent to the "Chinese horseriding invaders" stuff, he would probably be aghast.

(In case you are wondering, the above two cordial disagreements are oversimplified versions of things over which I actually argued with CT and SG88 back in 2015, while the "Chinese horseriders" thing is something a friend of mine back in Dublin told me a university professor in Akita had told him when he studied abroad here; it is just silly-enough-sounding that I think any educated layman who read my slightly caricatured form of it would realize it is gibberish, though, and it bears a reasonable similarity to the view several of Andrew's non-specialist sources in the "Korean influence" AFD were pushing. To be clear, I don't think Andrew actually holds to the "horserider theory" or the Covells' or Diamond's variations thereof: I just think he didn't read the sources before saying at AFD that they looked reliable.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

To be clear, the above content equivalent to the "Chinese horseriding invaders" stuff refers to the claim that Mottainai Grandma was a novel and other similarly disastrous content claims added to the article space out of sheer clumsiness, not to AFD arguments. In the past few days you have justified both Andrew and the editor who did that, so they both seem relevant. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

A link to what is being referred to here, or indeed Andrew's discussion re the "horserider theory" would be helpful for those who follow this up.Nishidani (talk) 13:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nishidani: Apologies. I mistakenly thought you had been pinged in the relevant discussion; both you and Gordon were named. Andrew didn't discuss the "horserider theory" specifically. The discussion, which is already closed (hence my coming here) was at WP:ANI#Andrew Davidson disruptive editing in AfD. The discussion where he cited both the Covells and Diamond, who each present a version of the theory that Japan was "invaded" in the Yayoi period, is Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Korean influence on Japanese culture. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:24, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and the clarification Hijiri88. I think I understand the gist of your message. The sort of disagreements yourself, Sturmgewehr88 , Nishidani etc sometimes have are the sort of respectable differences of opinion that inevitably arise between scholars. I didn’t appreciate this before, but I now see that in your view the disagreements with the Colonel were of a different nature. In your view, he may have been pushing views that no one with even a half decent grasp of the topic class could possibly hold. I do understand that sort of thing can be come across as an annoying waste of time. I may have made a few such edits myself in the past, and got a slap for it. Hopefully though you can understand why I don't want to come to a swift opinion when it comes to the Colonel. On the one hand, you come across as having good specialist knowledge, though this isn't something I can be 100% confident about as its outside my field. On the other hand, as said I've known the Colonel for 10 year, and am completely confident he has a good command of a wide range of topics, and a generally meticulous approach to assessing sources, even though he may conceivably be over confident when it comes to Japan & India related topics. I've had a quick further look at the discussion and some of your links, and I couldn't identify any mistakes the Colonel was making. (This may be due to my ignorance of the topic.) If /when I next have the privilege of meeting up with the Colonel, I'll try to remember to ask him about this. In the mean time I think I'll bow out of this discussion as I lack both the time and expertise to contribute usefully. If others want to continue to discuss here then no worries. Hopefully we can maybe have a good discussion about Japan or other parts of SE Asia sometime later, a most interesting part of the world. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I read Hijiri's link: there is nothing personal in this and I found Andrew's approach far more intelligent than the other interlocutors whose position he was, independently, endorsing. There is no doubt he put in a genuine effort to grasp some complexities: the problem is that the topic is, like the I/P area it reminds me of, a minefield of POV obsessions, and even a polymath can easily miss things. No one would doubt A Toynbee's magisterial command of many fields, yet he completely misread the intentions of the leader of Sōka Gakkai when inveigled by its leader to spend time working on a book length exchange of views on religion, Hijiri is correct in his insistence that the several people he mentions should not be bundled together as a clique (the same thing happens in the I/P area with myself and a few other 'pro-Palestinian' stalwarts, whose only common trait is an insistence on a high RS bar, scholarly methods for assessment of claims or facts, etc., something which means, operatively, that we appear to agree with each other, whereas were we to meet up, each being strongheaded, the probability is that we would disagree on numerous I/P issues): I have been, often, harsh with him, rightly or wrongly, and reverted by the others at times, but we do respect each other's work here. Regards Nishidani (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Apologies Nish for, as I said on your talk page, getting the link wrong again. The recent discussion that brought this on was at AN, not ANI.

Feyd: Yeah, that all seems reasonable. Honestly, I think if I had time to put together all the diffs with clear commentary, I could probably convince you that Andrew needs to at least have his recent cautioning regarding Indian articles expanded to all articles at AFD; I would be happy with a warning that further comments of the kind he has been making could result in a TBAN, but I didn't expect even that to come of the mess of an AN thread that that was. As I've said a few times, I'm more inclined to place the blame on Zxcvbnm's carelessness and haste than any of the people who opposed any action, even Andrew's "friends" such as yourself. I don't expect you or anyone else to "come to a swift opinion", and I apologize if my comments on the Andrew Davidson AN thread or the Dream Focus ANI thread came across as assuming bad faith on your part. (That said, I linked AFDs where Andrew's errors were specifically pointed out by myself or other users, so I don't understand how you couldn't identify any mistakes he was making.)

On an only loosely related note, what do you make of these edits by Dream Focus? This would be the second time he has mistakenly described a book that was not a novel as a "novel", and essentially argued with me that it actually is a novel when I've pointed it out. The last time was here but this time there was no direct interaction; I, not wanting to directly revert him under the circumstances, asked User:Curly Turkey on his talk page to take a look at it, since he was involved in the previous incident, and DF, apparently noticing my comment, responded by amending his "novel" to say "non-fiction novel", which is still inaccurate as the latter term describes a genre of narrative prose that purports to accurately portray factual events, whereas the book under discussion is apparently pure non-fiction. But all that said, I think the revert would perhaps come better from a "friend" than someone DF has previously conflicted with, and you seem to be a good-faith editor who can perhaps be more effective in explaining to him the difference between a "novel" and a "book". The text I think would fit best is here.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:55, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, CT apparently went ahead and made the fix while I was writing the above. I guess you could still take a stab at explaining to him what a novel is. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:08, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

• I do in fact know what a non-fiction novel is. If you want to change it to "book" instead, I honestly don't care. It'd be great if your edit history didn't show that most of your edits involve you still going around talking about me and others you don't like, but instead you found something else to do. Dream Focus 02:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

If you know what a non-fiction novel is, then why did you call Washington's Spies one? It seems much more likely this ties into your having previously claimed (in the that novels and books were interchangeable.

Anyway, I was editing happily in my Manyoshu hole until February, and I would love nothing more than to just go back to it. You are on notice about harassment and personal attacks. You should be very careful about how you interact with me and other editors going forward. Your recent activity (the change of "novel" to "non-fiction novel" and your showing up here when you hadn't otherwise edited this page in six years) indicates you are monitoring my edits; I would ask you to stop. Yes, I was talking about you, and yes, you are entitled to know when people are talking about you, but you are not allowed monitor my edits for harassment purposes: if you have a legitimate concern about my edits long-term (say, for example, I routinely make content errors of a particular type, leave poor grammar in the article space, etc.) then you should raise it on my talk page.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

You talk about me, I can respond. You don't like it, then don't mention me at all. And you don't control FeydHuxtable's talk page. Anyone can monitor the contributions of others, its only harassment when they follow you around to edit wherever you do, or ask someone else to do that for them. Dream Focus 05:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

@Nishidani , thanks so much for the balanced post, and the reminder of how rewarding Toynbee can be. (My guilty pleasure is Spengler, I know there are massive problems with him, he certainly was one to make over confident assertions about cultures he didn't really know, but for me he succeeds in bringing certain mysteries to light in a way no one else ever has.)

Spengler is certainly more apt, perhaps, for out present age, but I must confess I prefer other pathologists of history. As to Toynbee, he has been for 50 years regular bedtime rereading. His son Philip once, with some cause, complained that his father's poring over weighty tomes made his son's childhood unduly solitary, but, when I think of that I recall Evelyn Waugh's wolfing down a rare packet of bananas, destined for his kids, shipped to England, before the hungry eyes of his children. Auberon never quite got over that, and by comparison, Philip had it easy. Noting the banana incident doesn't detract from Waugh's novelistic brilliance: but it does remind one, as one giggles, to recall that satirists trading on human follies shouldn't leave a dense paper trail of their own inhumane foibles. Best regards.Nishidani (talk) 08:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. On the other hand, my mistress Simone Weil had this to say: If one looks at the actions of the great authors in seperation from their works it "neccessarilty ends up revealing their pettiness above all, because it is in their work that they have poured the best of themselves". FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Mention of her name always saddens me. I read her Attente de Dieu as a boy. Browsing through my old copy, I note something that resonates with your quote: 'Je crois qu'il ne sert à rien de combattre directement les faiblesses naturelles' (Fayard 1966 p.24) Regards Nishidani (talk) 10:25, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@ Dream & Hijiri, please give me a chance to compose a comment on this before continuing this argument - might take me a few hours.

@ Hijiri - it might be an assumption that Dream followed you here, perhaps he has this page on his watchlist. For my part, Dream is one of only 3 editors who I watchlist. Dream & I almost never talk, but that is because there is nothing to say, I typically find myself in complete agreement with him. There's always exceptions of course. I think Dream may have made some incorrect assumptions about you, which got your relationship off to a bad start, and is why he's been so uncharacteristically unfriendly towards you. This is a shame as you've clearly several rare qualities, you’re definetly not the sort the project can afford to have driven away. Always important we editors don't demotivate each other. Secondly, I would agree on the general point that when it comes to SE Asia topics, it's often a better for generalists like myself or Dream to give way to specialists, and not force them to explain in laymans terms. (Some would say the generalist should always give way to the specialist, but that's not the wiki way, yet IMO it does make sense for SE Asian topics.)

On the Novel / Book distinction though, Im 100% confident Dream understands it. Huh, he obviously knows more about it than me, I didn't know non-fiction novels could be seen as a formally recognised thing until I clicked Dream's link. Any apparent misunderstands were probably due to hasty editing, the sort of mistake everyone occasionally makes.

I've got a bit more to say on this which you might find interesting, may take me a few hours though. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

See thing is, the assumptions about me he made were incorrect, but his user page makes it look like he routinely makes the same assumptions about other editors; I haven't examined his past interactions with others, but when his user page says things like The deletionist have finally had their way, in each battle more and more people began quoting these deletionist guidelines and using that as an excuse to destroy ever more articles, an organized cabal of deletionists did appear, the deletionists have taken over Misplaced Pages, Inclusionist are good, and Deletionist are bad, The insanity of deletionist (this in particular really should be blanked now that DF has been explicitly told he is not allowed question other editors' sanity -- actually "insan-" appears eight times on the page, and all but one -- "insanely popular" -- of those are malignant), the deletionists grow in power and destroy more articles, Deletionists often don't like to think for themselves, etc., it's difficult to believe that his unfriendly behaviour toward me was "uncharacteristic"; is it possible that you just agree with him on the stuff you happen to have looked at, and so have never seen how he interacts with anyone who has any conflict with him? Because I find it hard to believe that you could agree with the above "non-fiction novel" edit, his similar edits to the Mottainai Grandma article (which have all been revdelled, but descriptions of them were linked both above and on the recent ANI thread), etc., and honestly I'm hoping that you can talk to him and make him consider not making edits like this anymore. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

FWIW, I too had never heard of "non-fiction novels" until yesterday, but it seems to refer to a subset of historical fiction novels that purport to portray purely historical events. It's not a widely used category, as such works are classified as "fiction" in every library/bookshop I've ever visited. It does not appear to be synonymous with "non-fiction book that tells a narrative", and would not apply to Washington's Spies. The distinction doesn't really matter, though, as DF's comment on CT's talk page implies he synthesized some reliable sources describing it as though it were a work of historical scholarship with less reliable tertiary sources that, probably inadvertently, assumed it to be a novel. And your explanation doesn't explain how he said here that books and novels were interchangeable. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:59, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I just did a bit of digging: our article's lead, which defines it as a sub-genre of historical fiction, is apparently total bull, as the cited sources seem to take both "non-fiction novel" and "creative non-fiction" as euphemisms created by Glenn Boyer to describe his hoax books. Describing a work of apparently legitimate historical scholarship in this matter, if it was done intentionally, would border on defamatory, but I doubt it was intentional; DF apparently just Googled some keyword, our article came up, he assumed its lead was accurate, and linked it as though it proved his point that non-fiction can be described as "novels". Those sources that aren't primarily about Boyer, such as this one, also don't seem to mention "non-fiction novels". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

And a Googling indicated that our sources are also ... not bull, but not representative, as the phrase appears to be associated more with Capote than Boyer. That said, the scare-quotes Nuttall puts on "non-fiction" indicates that it is still inappropriate to describe a work of pure non-fiction in this manner. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

• You are quoting things, out of context, from my user page from 7 and 8 years ago. The "Inclusionist are good, and Deletionist are bad. ;)" comment clearly had a winky smiley face after it. You also quote various parts of a section User:Dream_Focus#Heroic_reasonable_editors_against_the_negative_hordes which clearly says as it starts Note: the following is a bit of humor. Just in case you didn't notice. You are also misrepresenting how I used the word insane or commented on the insanity of the situation at that time. In AFDs people would ignore the notability guidelines quite often back then. As time went by, things changed. Countless thousands of articles that had been around for years were suddenly wiped out in a nonstop purge. But there was the wikia, and you could use Misplaced Pages:export to send entire edit histories of articles, or large number of articles at once to your hard drive then upload there through the import option they had at the time, so things could be preserved. So less reason to fight about it anymore, for certain types of articles anyway. Anyway, the television show is historical fiction, but the book is a history book. Simple mistake, no need for all this drama. Dream Focus 13:33, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

If you maintain content on your user page (even after consensus on an MFD was to remove it, despite the "no consensus" result on deleting the page entirely) you continue to "own" it, so defending it with the fact that you wrote it "7 and 8 years ago" is nonsense. The context I removed was no better; basically I quoted a random string of standalone clauses that include the word "deletionist", and every single one of the twenty or so that I checked displayed a battleground mentality (the ones I didn't quote were not "better" but rather just wouldn't make sense as quotes out of their original context). Given this context, it's difficult to take the winking emoticon as indicating tongue-in-cheek facetiousness, but rather that it is your sincerely held belief and you are amused that others don't seem to share it. Anyway, it is good to know that you have finally accepted that the book is not a novel: do you know what a "novel" is and promise to make a sincere effort not to make the same mistake again? Because of the five or six book articles I've seen you edit in the last four months, you made the same mistake on two of them. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

There was no consensus to remove anything. It ended in "no consensus" plenty of people saying KEEP. Previous deletion discussion was KEEP. Don't care how you read it, most understood it. Dream Focus 23:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Take the personal attacks and battleground polemic off your user page. This is a warning. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

No rule was violated, so you can't really give out any "warnings" about it. Going to try my best to ignore you now. Dream Focus 00:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

So, you're not going to remove, for example, the unambiguous personal attack If it was an article they liked, they would've protested, but all those who said this was fine didn't like the article anyway, that their reasoning. The insanity of deletionist. If they can change the rules to be what they want, they just ignore them entirely and do what they want anyway.? (And yes, I did read through Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2010 July 6: editors on both sides had reasonable arguments, and your referring to the ones on the side you disagree with as "deletionists" and "insane" is highly inappropriate.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

When you things out of context, it paints a false narrative. My complain was when an article was closed one way, another administrator could ignore that and come along and just delete it.

Now kindly stop this pointless arguing about something I wrote 8 years ago about a problem that happened there. I don't think anyone wants you filling up their talk page with this sort of nonsense. FeydHuxtable, feel free to hat all of this. Dream Focus 09:26, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Dream. I too am hoping this discussion will close soon, though there may be some value in me trying to lay out some of the overall context first, and then see if H has any closing remarks. Just trying think of what not to say - I could easilly write a lenghty tomb once I get started on the Inc/Del conflict. To be fair, while H is clearly missing an awful lot of context, they do have a point about the The insanity of deletionist. Even in context, it could be viewed as pointing to specific people. So while most of your user page is fine - indeed I've read it several times, I think it's brilliant - it might be good to cut out just that one line as it could cause offense to good faith editors, or at least be the cause of future time wasting drama. FeydHuxtable (talk) 10:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Makes sense, you convinced me. Got rid of that one line. Dream Focus 10:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Good. Now I guess I'll just have to ask Feyd to deal with the rest; basically any time you label editors you disagree with "deletionists", except in cases where they self-identify thus, it is a personal attack -- I should know, as it was the first personal attack you subjected me to. It is not as clear-cut as "you are mentally deficient", but it is still not allowed under policy. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't recall ever calling you that. And I never said anyone was mentally deficient in my entire life. Dream Focus 10:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

DF, please refrain from communicating via edit summary. I had to justify modifying your comment in the edit summary, but you didn't need to respond to some peripheral aspect of said justification as though it were an argument. Anyway, not quoting text that I don't consider to be a personal attack that needs blanking doesn't mean I am doing so to remove the context to make the personal attacks seem worse. Please never make this accusation against me again, as you have done so probably well over a dozen times in the last week, and it is very frustrating. And calling someone "insane" is calling them mentally deficient. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:55, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

You make a comment like that in the summary, I'm going to reply to it there as well. Kindly stop doing that. As for what the word insane means in context, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insane it can mean "unable to think in a clear or sensible way". You need to stop trying to rewrite what I say and making it sound like something far worse. DreamFocus 11:01, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

{very long and hopefully now redundant comment not related to Japan removed - see talk page history if curious}

• What’s all this about horserider theory and disagreements? (There’s a lot of text and I’m a week behind on the ping) @Hijiri88: ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 15:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

@Sturmgewehr88: It's complicated. Basically the owner of this talk page made a comment on an AN thread that appeared to amount to saying it was okay for another editor to pretend to be familiar with the scholarly literature related to one of several hundred AFDs they have !voted in, because you are apparently familiar with Japanese topics and have also disagreed with me at some point in the past. The editor in question has a habit of !voting down AFDs on scholarly topics with the assertion that he has checked the literature, but in that particular case the literature he was citing was fringe stuff supporting some version of the unpopular horserider theory, but they probably didn't even know that because they had clearly not read (or at least not understood) the sources in question. The argument that because you and I have disagreed on stuff that makes it okay for other editors to push remote fringe content didn't make much sense on its face, but the AN thread was going nowhere to begin with. Most of the content of this thread actually relates to a completely different problem. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:14, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: Ok, I think we’re on the same page now. Ironically, I’m actually a supporter of the horserider theory ;) ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 16:49, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey, to each his own, man. Honestly, I first came across the horserider theory through Ledyard; or more specifically, through Keene citing Ledyard thusly: For an up-to-date, brilliantly reasoned study of this period, see Gari Ledyard, "Galloping Along with the Horseriders." Mostly to get a thorough grounding in the history of continental influences on archaic Japan, but also because the title really intrigued me, I tracked Ledyard's piece down; I didn't find it especially convincing (whenever a mainstream scholar has to preface an argument with "I don't think it's fair to compare proponents of this theory to Ancient Astronaut theorists" it's a giveaway that, whether or not the theory actually is equivalent to Sitchin-Nibiru stuff, it is at best not required knowledge), but it was definitely interesting. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

please look at

I think you remember me, you gave me "The Original Barnstar" for critics of deleters. please look at https://meta.wikimedia.org/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/Identify_and_quantify_toxic_users#What_is_wrong_with_this_idea? (Idot (talk) 06:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC))

да, брат, Idot. I'd already have never forgot you after your stunningly perceptive analyses back in 2014. And I'm deeply grateful to you for drawing my attention to the page on meta. Interesting how you appeared in my orbit after 4 years, on the same day another rare light has dimmned.

Were it not for you, I might not have learnt that the WWF has since at least 2016 been running a project to analyse user interactions with big data & AI techniques, as per m:Research:Detox. A shame they seem to be focusing on "toxic" behaviour rather than a broader range of metrics including the positive, such as community happiness. At least their quantitative approach could potentially identify the truly "negative" users, and make it impossible for the usual suspects to game the system and falsely paint good editors as toxic. It's impressive the Foudation started such a project well before it became fashionable. The story here has not been told in any source AFAIK, so it may be interesting if I elaborate.

Our Cambridge Analytica article comically claims that CA's little tricks were "broke" by the media this March. In fact, their use of big data techniques to influence Brexit and help Trump had been reported by Indy Media even back in 2016. In the first half of 2017, it was also reported on by the Guardian, the BBC and the Observer. Across London, Brussels and New York, at least at the more informed dinner parties, it was the single hottest topic of last summer - and it launched a thousand projects. Behind closed doors, political parties of all cloths began looking at how they could use similar techniques themselves. A good many enterprises set up their own social media analytics divisions around Q3 2017, as did most of the top PR agencies. While similar techniques have been quite widely used in social science from around 2010, many accademics didn't seem to be aware of them until after CA made them famous. So impressive that the WWF started using similar techniques back in 2016. (I obviously mean just the analytics side, WMF would never stoop to using the manipulation side like CA did) On the other hand, said PR agencies have began to deliver results for their clients in less than two months, whereas the foundation seem to be taking years. But hey, they have to start somewhere, and it is a greater challenge to quantify something like toxicity, compared to the more well studied positive sentiments like brand loyalty or happiness

I see your own concern was about permabanners. Again, something I've been thinking about recently. The old ban hammer seems to be seeing more frequent use of late. Like you I don't think it should be used lightly. Some editors have been on wiki for over a decade, devoting to it the greater part of their energies. Being an editor here can become a part of their identity, and a major source of their social interaction. I don't consider it far fetched to think that for some, being permabanned has similar RL impact to a bereavement. Then there's the loss their ban inflicts on the rest of the Wiki - in terms of a lost contributor, and the effect on others wiki morale, especially if the ban was perceived as unfair. There's even the concern about the effect on the permabanners themselves. It would be quite normal for a young man to gain great satisfaction from inflicting such a blow on his opponent. Also quite normal for a certain bloodlust to take hold, driving them to seek to permaban more and more frequently. But while it may be superficially thrilling to clock up a string of banned foes, in a deeper sense they are hurting themselves most of all. Sadly, many never learn this until it's too late. And it's no use telling them, they have to experience it themselves. Only a fool trusts to the surface. With some exceptions, MSM news dosen't tell the whole story. Behind every protracted drama here on Misplaced Pages, there's a whole slew of off wiki messages being sent. You can rarely fully understand what happens on wiki unless you know (or can guess) what's been said via channels. And more generally, what on the surface seems to be a flawless victory, is sometimes in reality the most crushing defeat.

btw, does your user name allude to that most perfect of positive literary figures? You know, Joachim of Fiore long ago prophesised the coming of the third great Age, the age of the Holy Spirit, which would see the world bathed in universal love. A brotherly love that in at least one circle, we still see as set to emanate from mother Russia, with the limitless plain as its prime symbol, where doing good will at last be freed from our western tendency to mix it with satisfying our own ego. This may not chime with deleters apparently being an even bigger problem in Russia than elsewhere, but again, appearances and reality are sometimes two different things. "Tolstoy's Christianity was a misunderstanding. He spoke of Christ and he meant Marx. To Dostoyevsky's Christianity will the next thousand years belong." FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

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DM discussion

LOL at the editors objecting to the RfC not being "neutrally presented". we're literally discussing a review of an RfC that began "the paper is trash, pure and simple"FOARP (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I cannot see in the OP of that RFC where it says this, care to provide the Diff?Slatersteven (talk) 14:19, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

First support vote, directly under the proposal (you know, in the same place where the supposedly non-neutral arguments in favour of the proposal in the present RfC are) FOARP (talk) 14:38, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

A vote and an argument are not the same thing. Look at the structure of the other RFC.Slatersteven (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

"A vote and an argument are not the same thing" - in this case they are, quite literally, exactly the same thing with a different name. In the 2017 RfC the proposer wrote their reasons for making the proposal right under the proposal, and in the present RfC the proposer wrote their reasons for making the proposal under the proposal (but separated by a section about the conduct of the RfC). Seriously. FOARP (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

It was a vote in the survey section, not the opening statement. The difference is that the section immediately following on form the proposition is not ta vote, it is a statement that can be read as part of the RFC opening statement (maybe incorrectly, but still possible).Slatersteven (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

The reasoning in the present RfC is separated by an intervening section and clearly labelled "arguments in favour". Are you really saying that proposers should explain their reasons for proposing, or that doing so in a support vote posted right after the proposal by the proposer is somehow different? FOARP (talk) 15:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, as one is clearly a vote (and thus can be seen as a vote) the other is not a vote and thus has the advantage of putting its case (as opposed to a vote) first, as the OP acknowledges, going first gives you an advantage). A vote carries less weight then a statement,.Slatersteven (talk) 15:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

The argument in favour is always counted as a !vote, so it even functions as a !vote. !Votes, on the other hand, include arguments. Honestly, what's the difference? FOARP (talk) 15:45, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Well it should not, as in the past I have lunched RFC's I do not agree with in order to get it started and to solve an impasse. RFC's should be neutral when launched, that is why you make your vote separate.Slatersteven (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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Please read WP:RFCST, it will help you the next time you try to launch an RFC to follow this advice.Slatersteven (talk) 14:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. I had already read that, but I appreaciate the thought. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:27, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Honestly this debate is probably one of the most disappointing ones I've seen on Wiki. It's just degenerated into personal attacks and implications of bad faith. The attempt to close the debate right from the get-go, for the apparent crime of arguing in favour of the proposal, is pure abuse of process and par for the whole. EDIT: though the debate about the Sun appears to be headed for no consensus which is heartening. FOARP (talk) 19:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Well, it looks like we may even get to no consensus on the DM RfC as well, so long as it avoids being procedurally closed. Puts a good peg in the ground for a 3rd RfC late in the new year. FOARP (talk) 22:39, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Possibly. At the start I thought we might even lift the ban on first go; the evidence based case seemned overwhelming, even from a fair minded left wing perspective. Sadly it doesn't seem to have been an evidence based debate, despite the excellent contributions of yourself, Dom, Andy etc. Having to wait a whole year for a 3rd RfC rather seems like adding insult to injury, but I agree that's starting to look adviseable. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:03, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

For info the questions about signing the opening statement are pretty much the direct result of the discussion being posted to the centralized discussion template. ^^ (sorry if that is an annoyance, it has indeed seemed to attract new voters) :-| — 🍣 SashiRolls 01:47, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

It's no problem. It says in WP:RFCST that you can sign the opening question with ~~~~~ , so it doesnt display your name, which was my preference. But no big deal if others prefer a regular sig. Thanks for the good editing on yellow vests btw. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Feyd: Kensington Soup Society has potential to be created, if you're interested. Here's some background from an (unreliable per Misplaced Pages's purposes) source. North America 16:55, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks North. It looks a most interesting soup kitchen collective. I'll add it to my (long) wiki todo list. Let me know if you cant wait and I'll bump it up my priority list. Always happy to return a favour to a good wiki friend like yourself.

Generally speaking though, I'm the last person that needs telling about our missing hunger relief articles. I'm already painfully aware of said coverage gap. I'd guess I've added more content on central topics in this field than possibly any other editor. There's over 3,000 food pantries and soup kitchens currently operating in GB alone that don't have articles. Here's the thing though, it's not lack of coverage that's the underlying problem.

Hunger is something that's getting more prevalent across the world, and in both the US & GB. Here in GB it's been increasing at an especially alarming rate. UK goverment isn't even collecting official stats on these things until later in the year, but from non gov sources it looks like we now have a greater prevalence of children going hungry than on your side of the pond, or in the less developed EU countries like Romania. Like Gandi says, judge a society by how it treats it's most vulnerable members. Brits used to be role models for the world in this regard. Now we're world leaders only in cruelty.

In the past, it always used to be possible to build support for tackling this problem with awareness raising - whether by good NPOV factual articles, or by emotionally affective images and narratives. At least here in GB, something has changed in the political unconscious these past few years that makes much of this awareness raising counter productive. This may seem extraordinary, but it isn't just my opinion, its shared by many working in the field, including our all party group of MPs. For the last 18 months one of my side projects has to prep a socially media campaign with psychographically targeted micro nudges. I'm now starting to see that even that is likely to fail. Strange that I have my buddy Dream to thank for that. It's a non trivial problem to solve. I don't think you're the religious type North, but maybe you could pray that society will decide to stop the problem getting worse. Extreme hunger is a condition that even all decent right wingers should hate as it can destroy all possibility of self reliance. Yet as the UN says, both our countries have made the political choice to inflict the condition on a rising share of our populations. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Wow, great response. Regarding the new article idea, it's just an idea, and you came to mind when I stumbled upon the topic while performing some sort of search. Some sources are out there, but there could be wiki-notability issues. Regarding hunger, a big problem is that there is a stigma which occurs once a person or group of people have reached a point of needing assistance. People make assumptions about the person in need, and then may ascribe their situation to personal traits (e.g. laziness, not willing to work, mental illness, drug problems, etc.) Once a person is on the street, it's rough, because people make these assumptions unconsciously, ultimately unknowingly committing the common fundamental attribution error. I've met homeless before who were in their situation simply because they were laid off from work and were living from check-to-check. When the income ran out, they had no choice. Regarding food, fact is, there's no shortage of food, and we need better distribution models that get food to those who need it most. Capitalist societies may not value this notion at times, though. Ever notice how around the holidays (and here in the U.S. Thanksgiving too), everyone is all concerned with hunger relief, but after the holidays end, it's back to the status quo. Also, restaurants throw away literal tons of food that could be used. Some organizations here work with restaurants to prevent this from occurring, enabled in part by allowing restaurateurs to not have any liability in the matter. They pick up the food at close time and then bring it to soup kitchens, etc. This liability waiver is a good thing, because restaurateurs are already busy and don't want to worry about being sued if someone gets sick from food they were just going to throw away. Blemished produce is antoher matter, whereby some supermarkets and stores just throw away perfectly edible food because consumers prefer blemish-free foods. North America 02:28, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again North. The soup society has dedicated press articles and an entire book on it published by Arcadia Publishing so hopefully noteability won't be a problem once someone gets round to creating its article. How right you are about the tendency to blame the hungry for their condition being a big part of the issue. In GB at least, social historians say that's an attitude that largely vanished after WWI, but it seems to have made a come back these past few years. FeydHuxtable (talk) 15:13, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again

		The Friendship Barnstar
		Its just so confusing to me the "deletion" thing. If you have two strong keeps, I keep thinking the others are biased or criticising me. I wish they would explain why just my articles, and not the other ones. Its hard. I know I've taken on the toughest topic in the world for an encyclopaedia article pretty much, but I think its good as it is. so thanks for your help. I just wish we were as happy and kind as French, Spanish, Ukranian and Serbian wikipedia. French especially. E.3 (talk) 17:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

As you and my best mate say who basically supervises my wiki edits and tells me when I get too intense, my writing is very very difficult to understand. With Prof you know who I've gone from incoherent maniac to "interesting what data do you have, what is happening on wiki?".
I'm quite serious about the words thing though. Do I make absolutely any sense here? https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#%22Deletion%22_-%3E_%22Removal%22_and_%22Warning%22_-%3E_%22Notice_of_policy_violation%22 E.3 (talk) 07:25, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Please be careful to close the small tag correctly. Glrx (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

The Sustainability Initiative

Hello FeydHuxtable: An invitation for you to check out the Sustainability Initiative, which aims to reduce the environmental impact of the Wikimedia projects. If you're interested, please consider adding your name to the list of supporters, which serves to express and denote the community's support of the initiative. Thanks for your consideration! North America 09:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Your comment in the MfD for the Signpost Humour

Wow. I hadn't expected to read a comment in an MfD that would make me both smile and tear up at the same time, but your recounting of the Chelsea Manning naming issue struck me. Honestly and sincerely, thank you. -- ArglebargleIV (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

You're most welcome, and your kind words are most appreaciated. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:40, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

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Yum! Thank you. FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:53, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

"I doubt there is a scholar alive who couldn't learn from him"

Not two days after you wrote that did he create a two-sentence article on a Japanese topic (an area you previously claimed he had some kind of "close ties to") that contained a fairly obvious error. It was not supported by his source (which simply referred to "Togenkyo – A Paradise on Earth" as a title, not implying "A Paradise on Earth" was a translation of "Togenkyo". This kind of clumsy editing is fairly typical of Andrew's writings, at least on Asian topics (see also the "water roux" debacle): if it were one or two tiny errors in a long article, it would be understandable, but his tendency to leave one- or two-sentence substubs in the mainspace makes the errors stand out a lot more.

(BTW: While trying to find the "close ties" diff above, I noticed you referred to Japan several times as being "SE Asia" further up this page. Japan, China and Korea are usually referred to as being in north-east Asia, for what it's worth.)

Anyway, the reason I'm here rather than confronting Andrew directly is that (a) I've tried confronting Andrew over this and similar issues several times, and I've made my piece with the fact that he's just going to keep ignoring me and (b) I'm legitimately curious what close ties you think he has to "the region" when he seems to show so little interest in it except when such topics show up at AFD or when he comes across a name in a British popular media source.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me on Japan not being SE Asia. To clarify, the Colonel's close tie is with SE Asia proper, not with Japan. I'll ask him if he minds me emailing you the details. I'm not sure what he'll say, personally I'd be 99.9% sure that you'd keep to yourself anything I told you in confidence, but not sure the Colonel would trust my judgment. (On thing I can say, though you most likely already noticed, is he was at the wiki mania in HK per his user page. Of course there's a lot more to it than that.)

Looking at Kazuyuki Ishihara, I'm not sure the Colonel's version necessarily implies a translation, though I concede the ambiguity is there, and that your improvement was better. It would be unexpected if the Colonel is making even minor mistakes with any frequency. I don't remember encountering a more meticulous editor (unless you count Fram, who I don't really know.) Still, that impression was formed almost a decade back, perhaps things have changed, age has certainly dimmed many of my skills, perhaps it has with the Colonel too. That wouldn't change the fact he has a vast treasure trove of useful knowledge and wit for others to learn from.

That said I've little doubt you'd be correct in at least 9 out of 10 Japan or Koera related disagreements. And IMO East Asian topics are especially hard for outsiders to understand, so in those areas its extra advisable for generalists to yield to the specialist. As said before though, the Colonel is not likely to be receptive if I tried to pass on my view as advise. Sorry this probaly isn't a very helpful answer, hopefully it clarifies at least a tiny bit. FeydHuxtable (talk) 02:45, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Okay, that sounds reasonable. It might be argued that vaguely alluding to supposedly non-public information in someone's defense, and then saying you need their permission to elaborate on it is ... weird. But that's not an argument I'm interested in having, especially when getting your opinion on the "rv" part of this edit would be much more useful. I honestly can't think of any possible justification for removing all Japanese text from the article, and the only explanation I can think of is WP:OWN -- even though Hijiri88 know more about the topic of my article than I do, it's still my article, and I don't want him editing it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 03:14, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

The "rv" part looks most unconstructive, though obviously that's just my opinion. I can't see the Colonel doing anything so petty as reverting for WP:Own reasons. More likely the reason was that your addition was sourced to a blog. Despite policy allowing them, quite a few veteran editors seem to feel that blogs have no place in mainspace, even when it's from a highly notable writer such as Toby Young, e.g. see here , searching for "A blog is not a RS so that can be removed as a source immediately." As a btw, I sometimes get mistaken for Toby per my slightly similar appearance, which is always amusing, except for the sad reminder that I am now near bald, in contrast to the beautiful hair I had as a youth. Hmm, seem to be getting off topic. Brevity is a great virtue, but it can be taken too far. It may have been more colledgial if the edit summary had been more verbose saying e.g. "...remove addition sourced to a blog..." (& to be clear I don't think your edit should have been touched at all, per not having anti-blog views.) I'm hoping to have the chance to speak to the good Colonel later today, so with luck I'll soon have some more interesting and less speculative information for you. FeydHuxtable (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)