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	*'''Keep''': meets GNG by a mile. Naming discussion can be had on the article's Talk page. --] (]) 06:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)		*'''Keep''': meets GNG by a mile. Naming discussion can be had on the article's Talk page. --] (]) 06:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
			::That's a straw man arguement. I never raised a notability issue, it's an attack page.--] (]) 17:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
	* '''Keep'''. The (lack of) veracity of statements by Donald Trump is a notable topic in itself with many reliable sources noting that the amount of untruthful statements are unparalleled. If reliable sources treat the very fact that a president habitually makes false statements as a notable topic itself (and not just as something all politicians do), similar articles can be created for these presidents. If the problem is the name, it can be discussed on the talk page. But if your only argument is ], it's a weak one. After all, just because something is unique does not mean it's not a notable topic. Regards ]] 08:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)		* '''Keep'''. The (lack of) veracity of statements by Donald Trump is a notable topic in itself with many reliable sources noting that the amount of untruthful statements are unparalleled. If reliable sources treat the very fact that a president habitually makes false statements as a notable topic itself (and not just as something all politicians do), similar articles can be created for these presidents. If the problem is the name, it can be discussed on the talk page. But if your only argument is ], it's a weak one. After all, just because something is unique does not mean it's not a notable topic. Regards ]] 08:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
	* '''Keep''' This ought to be a snow keep, but we'll see. -] ] 08:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)		* '''Keep''' This ought to be a snow keep, but we'll see. -] ] 08:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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Veracity of statements by Donald Trump

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This is an WP:ATTACK page. An attack page is "An attack page is a page, in any namespace, that exists primarily to disparage or threaten its subject" No comparable page exists not only for any other president, but any other person in history. The page implies that Donald Trump is the biggest liar in history and contains exclusively negative information about him. Rusf10 (talk) 06:01, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Keep – very relevant and notable topic. Just because it contains information you don't like doesn't mean it meets the attack page criteria. Bradv 🍁 06:04, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Keep, but rename Lack of veracity of claims made by Donald Trump or the more succinct Donald Trump's lies (that already exists as a redirect to this article?). PolitiFact has a list of All False statements involving Donald Trump. The Toronto Star has something similar, while the Washington Post restricted itself to just the first 100 days of his administration. No other president or anybody else I can think of off the top of my head has had such a tenuous connection to the truth in their public utterances. So yes, he's at the very least in the running for biggest (most prolific and most incompetently transparent) liar in history. The guy lights his own pants on fire with a flamethrower daily and repeatedly. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 06:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 06:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Keep: meets GNG by a mile. Naming discussion can be had on the article's Talk page. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:27, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

That's a straw man arguement. I never raised a notability issue, it's an attack page.--Rusf10 (talk) 17:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Keep. The (lack of) veracity of statements by Donald Trump is a notable topic in itself with many reliable sources noting that the amount of untruthful statements are unparalleled. If reliable sources treat the very fact that a president habitually makes false statements as a notable topic itself (and not just as something all politicians do), similar articles can be created for these presidents. If the problem is the name, it can be discussed on the talk page. But if your only argument is no other such page exists, it's a weak one. After all, just because something is unique does not mean it's not a notable topic. Regards So Why 08:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Keep This ought to be a snow keep, but we'll see. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 08:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Keep - Trump's habitual lying is extensively covered in sources around the world. More than 9,000 have been document just during his presidency. The article is not an attack page. The reason "no comparable page exists not only for any other president" is that no other president has lied so often and so clumsily. - Mr X 🖋 10:28, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment. This seems an awful lot like a WP:POVFORK. For example, Tony Schwartz is a journalist who ghostwrote Trump: The Art of the Deal. In July 2016, Schwartz was interviewed by Jane Mayer for two articles in The New Yorker. In them he described Trump, who was running for president at the time, highly unfavorably, and described how he came to regret writing The Art of the Deal. Is it really necessary to tell us how Shwartz feels about Trump? This quote is half the section labeled In The Art of the Deal. If the results are to be keep, I highly suggest we place some sort of cleanup tag on it. It's sourced, yes, but the tone needs work. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 11:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

References

^ Mayer, Jane (July 25, 2016). "Donald Trump's Ghostwriter Tells All". The New Yorker. Retrieved February 10, 2017.
Barrett, Wayne. The Greatest Show on Earth (First Regan Arts. paperback edition, August 2016 ed.). New York, N.Y.: Regan Arts. p. 33. ISBN 978-1682450-79-6. (Republication of Trump: The Deals and the Downfall (Harper Collins, 1992, ISBN 0-06-016704-1))
^ Mayer, Jane (July 20, 2016). "Donald Trump Threatens the Ghostwriter of "The Art of the Deal"". The New Yorker. Retrieved February 10, 2017.
"'Art Of The Deal' Ghostwriter On Why Trump Should Not Be President". NPR. July 21, 2016. Retrieved February 10, 2017.

Keep. Drowning in WP:GNG refs. Perfect topic to showcase how WP:PAG produces encyclopedic content in contested areas. Any issues regarding content (e.g. POV), can be solved within the article/talk page. Britishfinance (talk) 12:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Admin note: I have reverted an inappropriate non-admin "speedy keep" closure by an involved editor, per Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2019 March 12. This does not prevent an admin from re-closing this discussion as "speedy keep" if they believe this is warranted; I take no position on this issue. Sandstein 17:39, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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