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possible copyvio

A lot of the text seems to be taken directly from the band's history page on their website. I think that the page can be edited so as to be okay, but I checked out the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems which say that you should blank the page and put up a copyvio notice...? Not sure what to do here - I'm going to wait a day or so and see if anyone has any ideas. Cantara 19:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

What's your concern? The guy who does the web work for LAM wrote that article which was used with permission. The text was ok'd by the band to be presented here on Misplaced Pages.

Okay then. I wasn't aware of that. Perhaps mention of this should be made somewhere on the page, e.g. some text courtesy of LAM, can also be found . Also, would you mind signing your messages? It's a little annoying to have to look at the history to see who left me a note. Thanks! Cantara 20:32, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

not exactly npov

what are adjectives like "funny" and "touching" doing in what's supposed to be an encyclopedic article? this reads like a fan's praise rather than a fact-based, informative article. -supine 07:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I edited out the biased stuff. - 67.40.171.141 (talk · contribs)

It really reads like a Press Realease. - 200.122.45.7 (talk · contribs)

That is because it was taken from a press release, I've improved the article now, however. - Deathrocker 21:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker- I suggest that you actually inform yourself about LAM before continually editing the page. The info you provide isn't accurate. Please leave the page alone. - 24.205.68.235 (talk · contribs)

I suggest you view other band articles on here to see how they are set out, this is not an overblow fan article or a promo slot. It is meant to be an encyclopediac article on a musical band.

"None" is not a viable genre. The discography on the version you keep pushing is a mess, the language is awfully POV reading more like a hagiography and it mentions little to nothing of their history. If you feel something is inacurate, then correct it cite a source. - Deathrocker 21:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker, just a few quick notes; LAM was a very political project from the beginning. Your posting of "fan frustration" is speculative and misleading. LAM is a solo project (Brennan). It was formed by Brennan. LAM was not formed with Tamlyn as you stated. The fact that you are unaware of this is evidence that you shouldn't be contributing to this page. Live members come and go and are not involved in the creative process. Hardly relevant except for noting live concerts, but you can list the various live members if you feel the need - but yo need to specify that they were live members only. Also, why focus on one bass player (Areklett) who was kicked out of the live band? Do you know anything about Covet and Areklett? If you did I think you probably would not be pushing him. You read the "Covet" page and took that as fact, but it's not fact. No "Covet" songs were ever meant for LAM. Areklett was removed from the live lineup of LAM for some serious reasons. Why you feel the need to push him here is kind of strange, with a paragraph on his defunct side project (which by the way he took thousands of dollars to produce and never released "frustrating" people who he'd promised the CD to). Its clear you have very superficial knowledge of LAM with the various edits and misinformation you keep posting, so I suggest a little research or just bowing out to work on other pages, as seems to be your passion. The discography was originally posted by someone else. I just cleaned it up and corrected it, you should have seen it before, it was a bigger mess. It could be deleted but you wanted history and that is a history of releases that contain LAM music. Also, LAM doesn't apply genre labels to itself, hence the "none" genre. If you wanted to list all the genres other people apply to LAM the list would be longer than the discography, and irrelevant.

1. where are examples of the band being political from the begining? none of their lyrics (up until 1998), contain examples of "animal rights, pro-environmental and human rights issues, anti-corporate control of media, and progressive, and liberal politics." stances that the band are now said to follow.

2. there are sources which state that the band was formed by Brennan and Tamlyn in 1990, the fact that he has being there from the begining and is still there more than a decade and a half later shows that it isn't just a "solo project" of Brennan's.

3. then provide a source proving otherwise. i'd tend to believe that something stated on an official page of somebody who was actually in the band (for a long time) would be a reliable source. if other members of the band have gone on to feature in different projects, then they can be mentioned too. Areklett's current band is relevent in the context of the article, regardless of anything else.

4. all bands have genres whether they like it or not "non" and then listing four or five after it, is contradictionary. not something for a encyclopedia. - Deathrocker 22:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Deathrocker, 1. One of the first LAM songs released was a song called Revenge. Quite political. Not to mention everything that's been played in concert since 1997-98. Also, LAM has long been known to pass out literature related to animal rights and various progressive issues at the concerts, through mail and now online, has done concerts that benefited animals rights organizations, had voter registration at concerts, etc. This started as far back as the first concert. However it was never asserted that these issues figured into all of LAM's lyrics (some, however). You have taken a hostile approach to the bio and claimed politics have not figured into LAM's music, which is false, and is misleading being that a key aspect of LAM is the politics and progressive social causes - and has been from the very beginning.

2. The only reliable source for info on LAM is the LAM website. AllMusicGuide, etc, are all wrong and refuse to correct the misinformation. Trust me, I know Brennan has tried. Tamlyn was NOT there since the beginning of LAM and contributes nothing to the band musically speaking. How could LAM have formed "with Tamlyn" when LAM was formed prior to Tamlyn and Brennan meeting? See, again, you are not informed enough about LAM to be editing this page.

3. Areklett's current band is nonexistent. He has no band and last I heard no plans to release any music. He lives in his girlfriends mother's house about 4 hours outside of Los Angeles after losing his job years ago and is about to have a child. He is hardly in a position to be doing music. Areklett is well known for being less than honest. He started a big campaign in 2004 after he was replaced saying Covet music was meant for LAM but Brennan didn't want to use it or something (feigning frustration), but this was only to get attention for Covet, which he hoped to release at some point. No Covet songs were ever meant for LAM. In fact Brennan didn't even know of Covet's existence until Areklett tried to hijack Brennan's live band out from under him, which eventually led to Areklett being replaced in the live lineup. Why trust this guy who was kicked out of LAM and is well known for being a bullsh*tter, but not LAM itself? Try reading the LAM Online community or the LAM website where all this was discussed in-depth. Again if you don't do your research then stop pretending to be qualified to edit this page. Seriously. My sources are what has been written by Brennan and live members of LAM on the LAM online community, my own experience with the band (which is vast), and online by Areklette himself (all of which contradict Areklett's myspace page which you are citing as a definitive source). http://p098.ezboard.com/blondonaftermidnight

4. Your opinion. "None" is a viable genre when the artist says his genre is "none".

By the way if you're going to be editing pages please check your spelling as well as your facts. Last I checked "implomenting", among others, wasn't a word.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Blipblip (talk • contribs)

Friendly warning

Caution The editors of this article, particularly Blipblip and Deathrocker, are headed down the wrong road. You have been blocked for violating the 3 revert rule. Reverting each others changes is not and acceptable method of editing. With reference to the article content,

• This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. We will generally list a band's releases but not every compilation album that has one of their tracks on it.
• Everything must be verifiable through a reliable source. my own experience with the band is not a reliable source and adding information based on personal special knowledge violates the No original research rule. None of the things you have been arguing about have reliable sources--animal rights, the genre, none of it. Blipblip's claim that Allmusic is wrong is a serious problem. You may not make claims based on your own knowledge. You can only report what other reliable sources have written about the band.
• Regarding claims to the band members web sites as sources, let me quote two sections from the reliable source policy:

A self-published source is a published source that has not been subject to any form of independent fact-checking, or where no one stands between the writer and the act of publication. It includes personal websites, and books published by vanity presses. Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, and then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason, self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources.

Self-published sources, whether published online or as a book or pamphlet, may be used as sources of information about in articles about the writers/publishers of those sources, so long as there is no reasonable doubt who wrote them, and where the material is:

• relevant to the self-publisher's notability;
• not contentious;
• not unduly self-serving or self-aggrandizing;
• about the subject only and not about third parties or events not directly related to the subject;

Now, I am not even interested in trying to sort out a he said/he said argument over who was in the band, who tried to steal whose band, etc. Web sites owned by the band and band members may be cited as sources if the information is not contentious and not unduly self-serving. So, simple stuff like what genre he calls himself and what his own lyrics mean to him are probably OK; stuff about controversies in the band can not be sourced to personal web sites because they will by definition be self-serving and contentious. If you can not find third-party reliable sources that talk about the band you may not be able to talk about these things at all. These sources do not have to be on line, but they should be readily verifiable to someone with a decent library, and cited properly. (for example, "Album review, Rolling Stone magazine, June 1992, page 36) If you want to make progress here you will look at some other articles, carefully read the reliable soure and verifiability policies, and maybe ask for help at the rock music wikiproject. Good luck. Thatcher131 03:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

If you can not find third-party reliable sources that talk about the band you may not be able to talk about these things at all.

This is merely a suggestion on my part, but I think using both band the band's site and the ex-band member's site as sources would probably do a better job of illustrating the controversy than one published by an outside source; you'll get all sides of the issue and it will be from those directly involved in it. A third-party source would be more likely to take a side. Ours18 05:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

How about working together?

Some quick comments because I theoretically am at work now.

1. Please try and find some outside help for the article. I don't think Blipblip yet has a handle on what makes a good article, and he has conflict of interest issues. Deathrocker is perhaps overly aggressive in removing material and has revert limitations. Some other editors would provide additional perspective and could rescue parts of Blipblip's contributions that are worth rescuing.
2. Bibliographic citations need at a minimum the name of the source (like a magazine), date and page number. Including the article title and author name are preferred, like this: (Jan Wenner, "Rock sucks." Rolling Stone, June 31, 2007, page 44). Linking to the magazine's homepage is of no value—direct link to the article if it is freely available on line, otherwise don't link at all, just give the bibliographic details. Linking to transcripts on another web site is prohibited unless the site has permission to repost the information. Transcripts of magazine articles are probably copyright violations and we do not link to external sites that violate copyright. Again, provide the bibliographic information.
3. If a magazine publishes an interview, and the band's web site posts the "longer, unedited" version, the parts that are only in the band's version fall under the Self-published sources section of the reliable source policy.
4. Blipblip and Deathrocker need to talk about some of the disputed information on the article talk page for others to evaluate and make the edits. I am thinking specifically here about the issue of whether the band is a one-man project (kind of like Boston (band)) or a multi-person band; and the issue of the former bass player. I think it would be acceptable to discuss the issue of the bass player using Brennan and Areklett personal blogs as sources, since they are writing about themselves, but I would like a third opinion on that. In any case, the Neutral point of view policy requires that if the issue is dicussed, both sides need to be presented fairly. If an outside reader can detect the wikipedia article taking sides in the matter, that is a violation. It would be better to report what some third party reliable source has to say about the matter, if one can be found.
5. Deathrocker can not revert the article more than once per day or twice per week, but he can make useful edits that are not reversions. For example, the current version is poorly wikified, and the references need to formatted per WP:FOOTNOTES. Some additions that you might disagree with in the long run could still be rewritten for style and tone without removing significant content. And of course discuss it on the talk page. Of course, if the net result of many minor formatting edits is to reduce the article back to Deathrocker's perferred version, or something close to it, that's a revert violation, but he know that. He may prefer to play it safe and see if any outside editors agree with him. (Even people with whom he argues on some topics but who are knowledgable about music might be helpful here--hint hint.)

I'll look in on this over the weekend and see how you are doing. Thatcher131 15:39, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

This ok?

I tried to modify the article to include page numbers and other info you suggested. I hoe its acceptable for now.

1. I'm open to suggestion. The problem lies in Deathrocker adding information that was wrong and, as you said, being overly aggressive with posting that information (and being unwilling to actually research facts). There seems to be a misunderstanding over just what the objections I've expressed actually are (everyone seems to be focusing on the "ex-memberr" things- that is minor. Looking at the various versions should spell that out. I have tried to tell Deathrocker repeatedly but he won't listen. The main point was over what LAM is and its construction. The band is essentially a one man band with varying live members but Deathrocker refuses to accept this fact- a fact that is easily verifiable even in some of the sources Deathrocker cited himself. Also LAM is very political as an entity. Deathrocker repeatedly calls this fact into question, and adds a negative tone to many of his comments. He also suggest fans are angry at the band because they want a new CD released but cites no sources. He has provided some false information (citing the Cure as an influence, saying the music is "sexual", etc) and apart from that posts a listing a tour dates that was originally taken from the LAM website by allmusicguide and then redistributed to countless websites online (allmusicgude is a content supllier for many websites). Some of the info that allmusicguide originally distributed was wrong (saying the band started in the 1970s, listing people as being members who Brennan never even heard of, etc).

2. I am working on improving the sources and will continue to do this in the coming days.

3. The information in question was actually printed in the magazine.

4. I have tried but Deathrocker is abusive, insulting and unbending in what he thinks is the truth. The Areklett matter is a minor concern compared the the fact that Deathrocker continually changes what LAM is actually about with his revisions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blipblip (talk • contribs) 22:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

bot reversion??? Why?

The page was just reverted by a bot because it said I may have been vandalising the page. What in the world wis going on here?I just spent all morning fixing the article with relevent and accurate info and it reverted back to deathrocker's inaccurate version. Why did the bot blank out the corrected version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blipblip (talk • contribs) 23:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

The bot is a piece of software that looks for triggers that indicate vandalism. Something about this version is setting it off. Tawker will try to fix the bot. By the way, on talk pages you should sign your comments with 4 tildes like this ~~~~ or click the box that looks kind of like a signature (to the right of the red circle). It will make a signature with time stamp so readers know who made which comments. Thatcher131 00:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thatcher, thanks you've been very helpful. It seems Tawker fixed the bot mistake. And sorry for any missteps in etiquette. --Blipblip 02:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, deathrocker is back and blanke out my page with his version that has many flaws. he claims to have incorporated mine into his but if you actually read them he has not. I've tried to edit it as best I could and remove the false information, remove the unsourced negative bias, remove awkward wording, fixed multiple misspellings, etc, and removed the copywritten photo. But this is really annoying at this point. --Blipblip 06:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice attempt at covering the truth there blip blip. Unfortunetly for you there are diffs to disprove such claims, this is the older version this was the version which incorporated a hybrid of both As you can see it included ALL the NPOV sourced information you included. Obviously you didn't bother to read or compare. But what can I say, you seem to still be pushing for a hagiography not a NPOV factual article. - Deathrocker 06:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Despite my fueds with Deathrocker, this time he does have a point as this band is in his area of expertise. Please read WP:NPOV and WP:CITE Blip. Your problem is, much like Deathrocker's was (and often still is), wording. When you word things, be carefull not to offer praise or scorn. This is meant to be an Encylcopedia, which means observing, not passing judegment. Im sure you will improve over time. As a suggestion, look at some featured articles for examples of what makes Brilliant Prose. I dont know if it will offer much help, but this tutorial is supposedly designed to walk yew through the passes of editing Wiki within the core policys (WP:CITE, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV).— Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.166.127 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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In response

Unsigned- LAM is obviously not in his area of expertise considering so many facts are wrong, which I've pointed out repeatedly. He has taken a hostile tone and this isn't making this easy. I can tone down any wording that is deemed "praise", but I wonder why Deathrocker is allowed to post libel like implying Sean Brennan is lying about certain things? Why is he alowed to post things that are not sourced? Or personal opinion? And he continually refers to LAM as a group effort and can't make the distinction between the varying live members and LAM itself, something I've tried to correct him on on several occasions. I have even corrected misspelling and had that blanked out with the wrong spelling restored. Seriously- if you look at my edits you will see my disputes with deathrocker. Deathrocker likes to spin things and then claim others are offering something that is POV however this is what he is doing. He has made unsourced claims repeatedly, he refuses to differentiate between live members and LAM itself (which is just Brennan) even though I have pleaded with him to read my edits, etc. Why is he allowed to do this? My version's edits are not allowed because they seem to say good things about LAM? But these things were all sourced and relevant to what is being said in the article (that LAM helped revive a music scene in the US and is a band that has influenced others). All of this factual third party information has been removed and Deathrocker's personal opinion is inserted. He continually claims LAM has virtually no political music (however I've cited several songs that are overtly political) He then claims LAM's music is sexual by referencing ONE SONG. Back to the political aspect, the entity that is LAM is political in nature. Deathrocker doesn't seem to be able to grasp this. I've pointed out how LAM is political (apart form the music) but Deathrocker isn't paying attention and refuses to understand. The guy is being hypocritical and unbending. He is unwilling to compromise and unwilling to actually read my edits and understand them. I urge anyone to go back and read my version of this article and then read Deathrockers. Then compare what I have removed or reworded in his version which was then restored! (I removed false information, personal opinion, poor grammar, misspellings). It seems no one is actually paying attention. Also the image being used is a copywritten image that was uploaded by another user and should be removed. It was never released for use by the copyright holder (Brennan). It appears here: http://www.londonaftermidnight.com/photo5.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blipblip (talk • contribs) 21:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Appreciated that Deathrocker violates civility policy in most everything he says, i know this. Easy way to deal with that is to just report it here. Other than that, his edits are not too bad. My suggestion is to read this and then if Deathrocker continues to violate his revert parole (he can revert once per 3 days (if he violates it, just report it here and here)). Also removed anything that 'doesnt' have a citation.

Bear in mind however, that what i have said also applys to you. So try to keep cool and refrain from edit warring. Also if the image is copywritten, then remove it, and post to an appropriate admin about it.

Controversial edits

Edits where User:Blipblip and User:Deathrocker have conflicted:

• 14 November 21:44
• 14 November 21:56
• 14 November 22:03
• 14 November 22:54
• 14 November 22:59
• 17 November 04:03
• 17 November 04:46
• 17 November 07:56
• 17 November 08:40
• 18 November 00:29
• 18 November 04:14

As far as I can tell, the controversial edits in this article center around the following:

• whether this is a band or a "musical project"
• Genre
• interpretation of the band's music and the band members political stances and lifestyle choices
• the mentioning of former band bembers
• recent events, specifically:
  • original bassist Michael Areklett leaving the band in 2005
  • a new London After Midnight song released on the Saw II motion picture soundtrack
• style and language issues
• removal of references, and
• (sometimes) a lack of references

--Oden 04:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• Blipblip makes a large issue out of whether LAM are refered to as a band or a project in the article, this is entirely petty IMO. Despite the fact that the group have members other than Brennan which have been in the band for 16 years (such as Tamyln who has also written music).... and Areklett was involved for over a decade (13 years).

An act like Nine Inch Nails for example are refered to as a "band" on here using terms such as "they", "their", "band's" and Trent Reznor is the focal songwriter for that band.

• Every band on Misplaced Pages has a designated genre, blipblip has claimed that they have "no genre" and that any source which is not from the official band website is a "lie". Such behavior is not in folowing with the Misplaced Pages:Citing sources policy.

• The music London After Midnight have released is largely non political, aside from one song "Revenge", which is down to interpretation and if it didn't have the Adolf Hitler intro, nobody would not associate it with politics. The band's primary themes are that of emotion, romance and sex. (see; Kiss, The Bondage Song, This Paradise, The Black Cat)

In recent times the frontman has voiced political views on the band's website, and attempted to reinvent the band as politically themed, yet they have not released an actual album for 8 years and these alleged "new political songs" have only supposedly been played live. Until (or if ever) this album is released, (fans have been promised this album for quite some time) this shouldn't be the focus of their overal themes recorded here because there is no proof that these songs will even be included on the final release. Their official released discography is 99.9% unpolicital in lyrical themes at this moment in time.

• You'd have to ask blipblip why the Areklett info is continually blanked from the article by him. (Even though it is sourced)... the Saw II soundtrack isn't a bone of contention however.

• As was mentioned in the last sentence... you'll have to ask blipblip why he removes sources, I really don't know. Blipblip has claimed that I have discarded all information he has added to the article, this is a clear cut untruth. here is one version I edited, which blipblip blanked much of replacing with this, however.... I did not just discard everything as he added, I created a hybrid variation, using sourced info he had put fourth, while cutting the fan orientated promotional material (stolen from the band's official website) and fixing to the correct formating.

• Also.... for some reason, he has attempted to cover up the fact that the band played in the gothic rock clubs in California when they started, the fact that they covered a song from highly popular movie Nightmare Before Christmas on their 3rd album... and he attempts to blank all mention of musicians who have played as London After Midnight who are no longer involved. - Deathrocker 14:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I made comment above on my view on this. In this case, anything without a source is removed. I also suggest filling out the little chart below - i think it might help you two to communicate and better co-operate to improve the article. Remeber to keep within being nice and civil when doing so.

• Deathrocker's problems with Blip's version:

• Blip's problems with Deathrocker's version:

Response to Deathrocker

1. Your opinion doesn't matter. What matters is accuracy. LAM is not a band or group, as you refuse to comprehend (and as sourced). It is Sean Brennan's music, as stated on the LAM website itself and in sourced interviews. There is LAM, which is Brennan, and then there are live band members who change all the time. Your list of live band members is missing most who have come and gone. The live band has done tours on 3 continents without Tamlyn, for example.

2. Alternative is the most accurate genre description.

3. This is where Deathrocker loses focus. My edits continually make it clear that LAM, as an entity, has pushed a political and social agenda since the beginning. The music is also sometimes political, like with the song Revenge and all the material played since 1999-ish. His edits, claiming LAM music isn't political, is not accurate as released music has been political in nature, and the thing that is LAM is entirely political. My objections were to his wording. It seems he's coming from the point of view of a disgruntled fan. All the songs cited as being "sexual" are not sexual. Your Best Nightmare is the most sexual and that's a black comedy styled like an Edward Gorey comic. That outweighs the sex aspect. The other songs are clearly not sexual (taking one word out of context doesn't amount to a song being sexual). Bondage Song uses bondage as a metaphor for control (the song's meaning) but mentions no specific sex acts. If Deathrocker's assertion is that LAM's music is sexual in nature by these songs, then anyone can argue the LAM's music is political in nature from the song Revenge (and the unreleased material, the philosophy behind the project, etc).

4. Evidence of Deathrockers hostile tone. Constantly referring to Brennan as "frontman", when he is more accurately the creator and songwriter and instrumentalist. Inferring there is no political music in LAM ("supposedly played live"), hostility over the last release date of a CD, etc. Again, its his wording that's the problem which paints an inaccurate picture. Again, he's shaping his edits in a hostile way. Thats what I objected to and told him.

5. Again the Areklett info you had was inaccurate. I blanked it until you corrected it. I have now corrected it for you and added sources.

6. You continually revert the article back to the one you've written, discarding my major points (the group aspect, casting doubt on the future release and the political nature of LAM, etc). Again pay attention to what I actually edit and tell you on talk pages and then we will be able to proceed and make a more accurate article. Also your chronology of live members is wrong, you're listing people who never played with LAM, your chronology of press coverage is wrong, etc.

7. False. As I told you I edited some bits for clarity and grammar. The official site (which you clearly haven't visited) mentions Helter Skelter so I'm not trying to cover up this fact. The specific focus on unimportant details (like a cover song or what club was played at) weren't as important as some things which you edited out or changed the meaning of entirely with your edits. See my version posted on 00:29, 18 November 2006 and compare it to yours. There are major themes there that you have chopped out. This is supposed to be an encyclopedic entry on musical artist. Rather than rehashing tour dates (more appropriate for a bio press release) perhaps you should define what LAM actually is. Tour dates can of course be added, along with live member info or what project some ex-live member is doing now, however shouldn't the focus being on defining what LAM is, how the press views them, how they are seen as influencing a scene, etc? Those are more important aspects when contributing encyclopedic information on a subject than a retelling of tour dates and ex-associates current activities.

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