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Complete: Consensus has been reached for Taiwan to be called a 'country'. The consensus was 33 for country, 10 for state, and 5 for some variation of state. Here is the page on which consensus was reached
  • Improve article based on feature article review
  • Add a short section about the culture and the geography of the ROC territories (with links to the main articles)
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  • Should the role and influence of Sun Yat-sen be introduced in the History section?
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Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2019

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Ethantai729 (talk) 07:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I want to edit. I'm from Taiwan and I think there is some places that should be changed.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 08:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Changes to the lead

I have again restored the sentence in the status paragraph about how the issue is reflected in Taiwanese politics. One of the key things about Taiwan is its disputed status, which makes this different from other country articles. That this issue is the primary dividing line in local politics is particularly distinctive, and thus discussed at length in the article. Since the lead should summarize the article, a brief mention is appropriate. Kanguole 13:53, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I have placed a few more cleanup tags in the sentence you re-added. The problem with this brief mention of yours is that local politics in any country is complex and cannot be accurately summarised in one or two sentences. In Taiwanese politics, there is also a major divide between labourers and business owners, and a major divide between funding in the north and south. It is also unclear what "both sides" and "moderated" means to the average reader. Ythlev (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Now you're just tag bombing. You've gone from claiming it shouldn't be mentioned to saying it should be expanded. "both sides" refers to the two sides mentioned in the previous clause, and most people know what "moderated" means. What better source do you have in mind to replace a scholarly study focussed on Taiwan party politics? Kanguole 17:27, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
I still think it doesn't belong in the lead but if it is to be included, it needs to be written properly. "both sides" refers to the two sides mentioned in the previous clause The previous clause does not have a subject. Does that mean certain politicians or parties or policies? What better source do you have in mind Something that isn't 13 years old. My point remains that it is inappropriate to summarise local politics with this particular issue. Go to any news website in Taiwan and head to politics section. How many stories are about independence v unification? Ythlev (talk) 23:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
I have added another source and expanded a little. The literature on the topic is quite consistent in saying that Taiwan is unique in that the major political cleavage is based on identity and relations with China, though parties on both sides engage flexibly on a range of other issues. Kanguole 01:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

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Change "Taiwan" to "Republic of China" 李思轩 (talk) 17:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Not going to happen due to WP:UE and WP:COMMONNAME The common name of this country in English is "Taiwan". --Khajidha (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Taiwan Page

Hello,

Can anyone change the map on the Taiwan Misplaced Pages page to this? If possible, also change the file name or change the current map to a different one?

https://commons.wikimedia.org/Taiwan#/media/File:Taiwan_in_China_(%2Ball_claims_hatched).svg

Thanks! Est12345 (talk) 13:39, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The current map was decided on in an RFC (structured discussion) here. If you want to replace it, you'll need to get consensus for your change. I'd suggest reading that discussion first, though the other map considered there is a bit different from the one you propose. Kanguole 15:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree with @Est12345:. To omit the claims of the Republic of China is leaving out vital information. PrussianOwl (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
They are not omitted from the article, just not shown in the locator map in the infobox. Kanguole 21:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Countries that claim Antarctica don't have their claims on the globes. Ythlev (talk) 15:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Formosa

Formosa redirects to Geography of Taiwan but for some reason I do not understand the talk page for Formosa is Talk:Taiwan so I am posting a query about Formosa here. I changed the redirect to go to Taiwan, but Matt Smith has twice reverted, saying that Formosa refers to the island and Taiwan to the political entity. This is contradicted by the Taiwan article which refers to the "island of Taiwan" and the geography article, which starts "Taiwan, formerly known as Formosa". The name has also been that of a political entity as Republic of Formosa. The geography article does not cover historical use of the name Formosa, so in my view Formosa should redirect to Taiwan. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:04, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

The redirection of Talk:Formosa to Talk:Taiwan was incorrect. I had fixed it by redirecting it to Talk:Geography of Taiwan.
"Formosa" in this case is meant for an island, not for a polity. "Republic of Formosa" did not abbreviated nor commonly known as Formosa.
Regarding terminology, because the Taiwan article is being used for a polity called "Republic of China", it is not a good place to explain the terminology of "Formosa", in my opinion. The Chinese Misplaced Pages is a lot clearer in this respect because it makes "Taiwan" and "Republic of China" two different articles. On Chinese Misplaced Pages, you see the Taiwan article explaining the terminology of "Formosa", and that's how it should work, in my opinion. --Matt Smith (talk) 12:26, 19 April 2019 (UTC
A couple of thoughts: 1) "Formosa" should not be a redirect at all but an disambiguation page which already exists, since it means many things, among which are the names of an Argentine province and it's eponymous capital, plus several entities in Brazil, and 2) English Misplaced Pages should also separate the "Taiwan" and "Republic of China" articles, because they are NOT the same thing, even though "commonly" refer to same geographic place. The ROC is the polity and Taiwan is either the island or the provincial entity including Penghu. The articles used to be separate but in the early 2010's the contents were merged after extensive discussion, with a separate "Republic of China(1912-1949)" article created. However that shouldn't be because the ROC continued existing didn't end in 1949. Maybe it's time to re-examine this decision and undo it? Mistakefinder (talk) 17:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I agree that it should go to a disambiguation. Terms with several different meanings normally go to a disambuation unless there is a dominant usage. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I also agree that turning Formosa into a disambiguation article might be best. But I totally disagree with the Taiwan article changing at all. It should not be undone. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:55, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm fine with turning "Formosa" into a disambiguation page.
As for your objection to redirecting the article, an alternative could be re-writing the first sentence of the lede to something like: "The Republic of China, abbreviated as ROC and is being commonly known as Taiwan, is a state in East Asia." The United States article uses that pattern. By placing the official name of the polity at the beginning, the nature of this article would then be clearer, and that would also make rearranging the contents of this article easier. --Matt Smith (talk) 02:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Agree completely with Fyunck(click). --Khajidha (talk) 13:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
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