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A couple questions from Storkk

Image:Eagle Scout (Boy Scouts of America).ogg

Hi. I noticed that you saw the file, and that you're a main editor of the article that I read. I was wondering if you had listened to it, and if you could provide me any feedback (positive, or negative). This is my first spoken article for english wikipedia (I've done a couple for simple). I didn't follow the recommended practice of prepending "Section X:" before each heading, because by the time I noticed the omission, it would have been a pain to add that in... is it clear enough as it is? If you think it's necessary, I can add the "Section X" into it without too much hassle. I'd greatly appreciate any input that you might have (though I doubt I'll redo the whole thing any time soon).

Another question: I was thinking it might be appropriate to mention OA (in the context of Brotherhood and Vigil Honor) in the Eagle Scout article, as they are also highly honored distinctions, but very different from Rank. Maybe just as a link with a 1 sentence explanation in "See Also". Alternatively, in the context that it can be earned by scouts up to 21 (which eagle can't). I'm not being bold because I'm not entirely certain that it would be appropriate. --Storkk 13:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Order of the Arrow

I was also wondering whether it would be appropriate to have a section "Ceremony" and/or "Ordeal" in the OA article -- of course, nothing that divulges anything that shouldn't be divulged, but a brief overview might be appropriate. What do you think? I'll dig up my old material and write it if you like. (At some point in the near future, if feedback from my Eagle Scout reading is generally good, I plan to also read the OA article. The current problem is the empty Awards section which just contains a link, with no summary).

Thanks for any input you might have, Storkk 13:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

PS. I'd appreciate any replies on my talk page. Many thanks. --Storkk 13:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ogg info

Ogg Vorbis is a free (as in speech and beer) codec for sound files, similar in concept to MP3. For wikipedia-specific information on playing media, there's a good set of pages starting with Misplaced Pages:Media help. To summarise that set of pages, what you need to do is download this (current as of today) and install it - making sure that your media playing applications are closed. This will let Windows (I'm assuming that's what you're using) play ogg formats. If you're on another operating system, just go to the second page of the above set and find your OS for instructions. Cheers! and please let me know what you think of my spoken version, I'd like any criticism at all, including accent, speed of reading, quality of audio, etc. :-) Storkk 14:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Expert Advice

Hi Rlevse, I am a graduate design student doing a case-study of Misplaced Pages. I am trying to collect input from users with a high level of involvement like yourself. My goal is to take Misplaced Pages's design into an experimental direction, one that would assist users and community involvement. I would be greatful, if you have a moment, if you could provide me with some suggestions that would improve the web site design in your opinion. Thank You.Graphixmdp 23:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages uses a program called MediaWiki, so that's where the acutal design comes from. Misplaced Pages is just a specific installation of that software. I love the layout and design of Mediawiki. It's functional and easy to use. I'll have to think about suggestions for improvements. I'm only your second edit. How did you find me so fast? Rlevse 23:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I have been observing the site for some time, however, I only recently created an account. I am interested in a more radical approach to a redesign, one that would channel users into the community aspect and increase browsing and grazing search behavior (as opposed to specific searches), and not additional features of layout changes. Thank you for your help.Graphixmdp 00:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

You mean like a faser way to discover there are WikiProjects? Rlevse 00:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but also ways to take discussions further, so that when referenced, users not only read articles, but interact with knowledgable people and are encouraged to contribute themselves.Graphixmdp 00:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Bhumibol Adulyadej

I agree that Bhumibol Adulyadej, as a featured article, should not be moved to a new name without consensus. Assuming good faith, I think that the mover wanted to have the "the Great" as one of the names that could be used. Creation of a redirect, which is now in place, works; but, it is possible that the editor was not aware of the nuances. I reviewed the editor's contributions, which seem to be solely related to Thailand-related articles; and the edits seem to be constructive. I think your note should suffice.

You might consider leaving a cordial note on the article's talk page commenting about the move and your reversion of the move.

— ERcheck (talk) 14:35, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Good points. — ERcheck (talk) 17:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Vancouver

My apologies if you took offense at my strikethroughing; that was not my intention. My understanding was that strikethroughs are used to indicate which criticisms have been addressed. I was following what is a common practice on the candidates page. Vancouver is neither the only candidate where this has been done, nor am I the only one who has done it on the Vancouver review, and until now I didn't realize it bothered anyone.Bobanny 15:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, and I hadn't noticed that the guideline is written at the top of the FAC page, or more likely, it's been so long since I've read it that I forgot. I don't think I struck out any comments about the footnotes. If I did, it was inadvertent because I agree with you, and I've alerted others that the citations still need to be systematically gone through.Bobanny 15:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Rlevse 15:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Rlevse, as you may or may not have noticed, but I haven't had a chance to spend a good amount of time formating the citations. I'm swamped with school, but I expect tomorrow I'll have a bit of time. Thanks for your help, and perhaps your continued help in finishing the work on the citations. I've been looking at some of the other FACs and I see that by far Vancouver is the most active. I am especially pleased with how good this FAC has been for the article in general. Mkdw 09:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rlevse,

I fixed a couple typos in the footnotes, and they seem to be working now. Thanks for your help.Bobanny 16:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

WP members

The debate you're looking for is at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_20#WikiProject_participants. We're doing it again because people on CFDU would like to see that discussion reopened. Feel free to bring up the oligarchy argument you introduced last time; I'm sure there are people who haven't heard it.--Mike Selinker 00:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Eagle Scout Article

As a fellow boy scout and Eagle Scout, I can not understand why you would delete my addition to your article. All of the information was factual and none of it was of the sort that needs to be cited. (for example you wouln't cite "the Wright Brothers invented the first airplane") Please respond

yours in scouting, Foomaster

When articles are on the main page, they get heavily vandalized and yours was in the midst of two vandalism entries by two anon editors and when you write stuff like "cite book| title=I'm an Eagle Scout so My Source is my Head; How's that For a Citation!?", it just looks like more vandalism, especially when you put WTF in the edit summary also. Your comment about the project being more significant is dubious and FYI the project as we now know it has only been around since 1965. Looking at parts of your edits, I'll agree some are quite good, but you need to be more serious in the others. This article is a Featured Article and we want to keep it that way.

Yours in Scouting, RlevseRlevse 02:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit summary and citation, I shouldn't have done that. I was kind of frustrated

with the unnecessarily complicated citation process that Misplaced Pages has, but I still shouldn't have done it. As far as the project being the most important part I admit that it is arguable. Certainly it is more important than the elective merit badges (as far as being a requirement) but many of the silver ringers are equally important. However, the merit badges don't even get their own section!!! I know that by clicking a few links you can get to a more comprehensive description of the merit badges, but let's face it, who's going to take the time to do that? The answer is very few people. It would be nice if the merit badges were at least listed and maybe a few words about how the merit badges build important life skills and values. Nothing extensive, just a paragraph or two. Look at it this way: While Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be used for advertising their is nothing wrong with providing useful and factual information that shows people what a great organisation the BSA is. The history of the medals, while interesting and informative, should be secondary to explaining how scouting builds the leaders of tomorrow today, and how achieving the rank of Eagle Scout is the culmination of one's journey through Scouting. Again I am NOT criticizing your article, it is well done. I just think it lacks some things.

Yours in Scouting, Foomaster (fooeditor)

Feel free to add constructive edits, but also keep in mind there are other articles than this one on the BSA and each article has its scope...if you go too far off topic, the article will lose scope and focus and that section(s) will get deleted. One way is to have a summary section with a link to a full-blown main article. Rlevse 03:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I will keep that in mind

Just to butt in here. Could you wait until we are off the main page to make any more edits? I'm sure you have some good things to contribute, but they are getting lost in the noise right now. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 04:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Interesting article on GSUSA

You might want to read this, it's the new format for GSUSA. It doesn't appear to have any Studio 2B and if that's the case the part of me which will always be a scout is rejoycing, but the editor side of me sees a huge edit redox coming up. Darthgriz98 17:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion is to start a small blurb on it in the article now and slowing build it up over the next two years until it's in full force. Rlevse 18:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you think anybody will mind if I wait until either this weekend or maybe the start of Christmas break to start that? I'm about whipped from school right now with finals comming up and several papers. Plus kinda bonked from the last FA. But I will start putting that in there soon. Darthgriz 01:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem, do it when you can. Rlevse 02:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, should I put in a request for no specific date, but nonetheless for main page FA? Or does the intro need more work? I'm concerned that maybe the lead isn't good enough yet, or is it? I tend to critize stuff I write or help write or do for that matter highly. Darthgriz 02:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

List it here Misplaced Pages:Today's_featured_article/requests, at the top. I take the intro and tweak it so it fits into the main page space in case it makes it. Include the logo. It's up to you if you want a specific date request. Rlevse 02:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

On your recent reversal of the "fun" edit

"The Lone Scout program serves boys who cannot take part in a nearby troop on a regular basis because of such factors as distance, weather, time, disability or other difficulties. While the boy does not participate in troop or patrol activities, he does learn the fun, values, and achievements of Scouting" i deleted the "fun" because it is POV. Please explain how it could not be POV or i will revert.

You've got to be joking. Millions of boys would disagree with you. I suppose you think sports aren't fun too. Rlevse 20:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes i know a million boys disagree with me. The point is that a million other boys disagree with you. Therefor the subject is well subject to POV/NPOV treatment. The "fun" in the article should be implied just like the "evil" in the hitler article.

Dime (United States coin)

Can you please elaborate on these issues. List them out, so they can be addressed and crossed out as they're worked on. And with all the particapation we have on this page, could you please allow us a week lead time, to fix these issues. Most GA nominees(especially long ones) are placed on hold for curtesy reasons, and really trying to improve this page instead of just shooting it down, which has happened twice now. We would appreciate it, and we will work on any and all issues. Copied from Talk:Dime (United States coin) Joe I 00:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I only closed it out as no edits had been made since User:Kurt had left his comments 6 weeks earlier on 30 Sep. GA holds are only supposed to last 7 days. That alone told me his concerns hadn't been acted upon. Kurt should have checked up on it after 7 days. My suggestion is to ask him what his remaining concerns were. The quickest way to get GA or FA is to promptly address all concerns raised. I see this is rated A-class by someone. Are you aware A-class is higher than GA? Rlevse 03:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

South African Scout Association

Hi, thanks for the review of South African Scout Association. I think the nomination was a bit premature. I haven't been involved in this page for a while but I'll revive my interest in it at some point soon. Zaian 06:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No one had touched it as of last night, so it'll likely fail. Rlevse 11:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just done a bit of a cleanup, but it may not be enough. Zaian 15:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for tidying up my lazy citations. I've added a few more, and done them properly this time. Zaian 08:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks alot for the work both of you (Zaian and Rlevse) have done on the article. I haven't much time recently to work on it, but that should change soon, if there is anything you want help with just let me know Jediwannabe 12:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mil refs

Hmm, nobody in particular comes to mind; the article tends to attract rather more interest from the Scouting side than the military side, and I can't recall, offhand, anyone with an interest in the Boer Wars themselves. You might try leaving a note here, but I'm not sure how quickly you'll actually get some citations from that.

There's a good history of the Boer War available online, though, so you might be able to pull the needed citations for that part of his career from there without too much trouble. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 04:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Rlevse 04:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Luton Town Hall

I just read the first few paragraphs and this doesn't even tell you what country this is in????ARGH!!!Rlevse 12:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Added England, to location.GazMan7 16:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Robert Baden-Powell, 1st Baron Baden-Powell

Do you need anymore military or family references for your GAR? — ERcheck (talk) 16:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we have enough for the GAR, but more never hurts. Many thanks. Rlevse 17:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Controversy

I was trying to revert the anon's blanking of the page, I mistakingly reverted to the wrong version, I reverted myself right away. --ManiF 21:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)