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Question.

Hi Raul, I don't mean to be annoying, but I didn't get an answer.. Sorry if you're busy, I don't mean to say "hurry up" or anything.. just reminding you.. I'll wait :)

Intellipedia

Comments about Intellipedia? Last I heard they were looking at a HTML-based "wiki"...

Permission To Land Section

Hey Raul, just thought I'd leave you a message to say that someone had messed around with the section on Permission to Land part of the darkness page, I tried to put in stuff from the actual album page but it needs defaulting, I left a message on the discussions part of that page, but I thought I would contact you, hope thats alright, anyways keep up the good work.

Link -> http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Darkness#Permission_To_Land

Theming Icon 20:27, 3 November 2006 (GMT)

November 16th TFA

Greetings! Could I request that the TFA for November 16th be changed to Half-Life 2? I was unable to find on the requests page (even checking if it was removed), but Half-Life 2 has been up since July 4th and some amount of time after that (August if I remember correctly) someone left an unsigned post with a request for the 16th. If you could be so kind to change it? Thanks much Userpie 01:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I've already scheduled something for that day, and rescheduling articles is a major pain in the ass. So I'm going to politely reject this request. However, I'll give this request extra consideration when I do more scheduling. Raul654 05:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article of the Day Guide Request

Raul654 can you make a guide on how to request a Featured Article of the Day, because I can't understand all the tech terms that you use in the forms. Thanks Jeffmister

Iran-Iraq War Abrbitraion

Mark, Mark here. My level of stress is high over this article. My concern is factual information in context. What we have here is one partisan ramrodding his view into the article. Many have noticed a pro-Iranian slant. It's no accident. No one is disputing the actual US actions in this conflict, only the inflationary puffery propaganda as arranged and selectively sourced in the article as it stands now. No one can add context and sources without having it reverted repeatedly and with insults to anyone trying to participate as a "POV Pusher." I'm an Internet crap magnet when it comes to bluntness. It's a family trait. I say what I think, but this is beyond the pale. Look at the evidence and weigh in if you would. Thanks. Marky48

Hi

Okay, so I'm like three months late, but I got EssjayBot III set up to do your archiving per your message from ages ago. I set it to archive anything older than 14 days to your current archive, it will create a new one when the current one gets to 400 posts. If you want to change anything, or have changed your mind, let me know. :) Essjay (Talk) 05:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

That sounds excellent. Raul654 06:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Err, it seems that something changed while I was out; the bot has apparently not been approved yet. I've reactivated the request to have it approved at Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/EssjayBot III, we'll see what they decide. I'll let you know when I know something; sorry for the confusion. Essjay (Talk) 06:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

All fixed, it will run each day and check you for the need to archive. :) Essjay (Talk) 16:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Evidence supporting comments

• Raul654, you wrote: "I do not believe Ian Tresman's deserve good faith. This policy does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary."
• The policy also mentions "Actions inconsistent with good faith include vandalism, confirmed malicious sockpuppetry, and lying."
• At the very least, I think your should provide diffs supporting your "evidence to the contrary". --Iantresman 12:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Just curious

As to why James Robert Baker was not promoted to FA (though it is still on the FAC list). It currently has 5 Supports, no opposition, and every comment has been responded to or acted upon.Jeffpw 17:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Football for November 20

I noticed Football was chosen, yet it's talk page doesn't have a featured article tag, and it's been listed as a B-Class article in the Misplaced Pages 1.0 assesment scale. Is the tag just missing, or is this really an FA? -- SmthManly / / 18:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I noticed what the problem is now, the link Football leads to the article about all the different types of football, and we want Football (soccer), I'll change it, sorry about the mixup. -- SmthManly / / 18:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Vancouver FAC

At 05:45, November 12, 2006 User:Bobanny went through the FAC and made several strikeouts of what he/she felt had been dealt with. I left a polite note on their talk page that is not proper FAC ettiquette and thought you should know. I almost reverted all the strikeouts, but decided to tell you about it instead. Rlevse 12:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The user was not familiar with the FAC procedure and struck out the comments made by you as he thought that's what was supposed to be done once each of those concerns had been addressed. These two had discussed this and come to an understanding about his mistake. 142.35.144.2 23:31, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Protect today's featured article!

Or not, of course. Some people have been arguing that your treatise on the subject is irrelevant since it's "just some user's opinion". Would you object to moving it into Wikispace and adding a {{guideline}} to it? I know it's pretty much redundant to older users, but it may help educate newer users. Just my $.2. (Radiant) 14:15, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

To paraphrase a simpsonism, it is difficult to argue with people who don't know their asses from a hole in the ground. The point you bring up has been discussed before at User talk:Raul654/protection#Policy. As far as moving it to the Misplaced Pages namespace, no, I have no objections. However, if it is going to be tagged, {{policy}} is far more appropriate than guideline. Raul654 03:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't mind either way. It has longstanding precedent, and more importantly it makes obvious sense. In my experience at least, most users who lack the experience to tell a random opinion from an agreed-upon good idea, tend to respect p/g tags. I'll just move it then and see if it attracts any wonks. (Radiant) 14:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

72.177.68.38 block

Regardng this block: I rcvd the following e-mail from Bobabobabo (User:Interrobamf/Bobabobabo)

Subject: Misplaced Pages e-mail

I'm very sorry!! May you please unblock me and my IP address 72.177.68.38. Please unblock me!!

To tell you the truth, I was a wonderful contributor to articles in Misplaced Pages "Yu-Gi-OH and Pokemon". The story began when a user named Mitsumasa began creating and upload Pokemon images and articles.

After about 5 months after the start of the articles the PCP began merging the articles (A Man in Black, Ryulong, Interrobamf) i tried talking to them, and the PCP but they did'nt listen. I even tried to leave a committ on their usertalk pages but A Man in Black is the only one that responds to my committ. I gave up until recently students at my school "The Learning Community School" began bullying me, they knew that I was a contributor at the site "Misplaced Pages", so they told my teacher that they logged in some accounts and began vandalizing the articles that I personattly was currently having problems with you. My teacher Mrs. Lisa Mercato talked to the students Jene', Jessica, Aaron and restricted them from using the school computer.

I'm very sorry. May you please unblock me and my IP address 72.177.68.38. May you please just make it that I can create a new account. It is a total misunderstanding. If you want to talk to my teacher, please email her at lmercato@yahoo.com. The block is casuing the school not to edit Misplaced Pages.

How can adding images/ creating episode articles and changing a template to keep the images be considered vandalism? I think the block was overdone, for editing 'Pokemon' articles. The user A Man in Black and Ryulong, and the one that I think the mastermind of it Interrobamf were being too hard on me. How come a good contributor like me) be blocked for trying to keep the Pokemon articles up on the site if A Man in Black and Ryulong, and Interrobamf continue to merge and put "check user". I am 13 years old and you are treating me like the Wheels on Wheels are users that just edit Misplaced Pages using profanity. I hope you will go easy on me…..

I don't believe I've ever crossed my paths wth this person, so I suspect they just mailed to a bunch of random admins. I don't know what's going on here, so I am leaving this issue to you, unless you want me to lookinto it.

rgds, `'mikkanarxi 01:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This user has sent emails to dozens, possibly hundreds of admins . Just ignore it. Raul654 03:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Main Page protection

First, thanks for putting the Eagle Scout article on the main page. Yes, there were a few good edits and we met some new users interested in that topic and all, but I have to say my piece a different matter. The Eagle article was only protected after it came off the main page, by a user I'm not familiar with. The vandal edits outweighed the good edits by at least 3-1. I've read your reason for not protecting the MPFA before and I still totally disagree with it; a) we shouldn't have to fight the vandal scum in the first place and 2) "here's one of our best articles and oh by the way some porn and vulgar language for you to look at"...right. This article seems a better and better idea to me and many others. Rlevse 11:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Your block of 72.160.0.0/16

We've gotten complaints at OTRS. This is more than just a University. Consider account creation. Bastiq▼e 22:12, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I considered this very carefully when I made that block in the first place. The range (which is not a University but a normal ISP) is not all that active except for BluAardvark, and as I found out last week, he spent most of late October and early November registering over 150 sockpuppets(!) and using them to abuse users/admins and vandalize. You can dig through the ANI archives if you want the full list.

The current range block (which blocks anon editing or account registration in that range but allows existing accounts to edit) was a compromise from the full block I intended to issue. In short, there are only a handful of good users in that range, and they already have accounts. Until and unless I get confirmation from the ISP that Blu won't be bothering us again, I'm keeping that range blocked. Raul654 04:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

FAC Vancouver

Not sure if you're back yet =P, but I thought I'd ask anyway. I was inquiring about the status of the article Vancouver in response to its FAC nomination. Hope you had fun at Supercomputing 2006. Lily Towers 23:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

master's thesis

Hi, I saw you reverted me returning someone's Master's thesis as an acceptable reference for a FA, that is something that should exemplify the WP best work, that includes being properly referenced. Honestly, I am surprised that our standardsfor FAs allow that but I will not argue with you, since as a FA director you have more experience in FA's referencing standards. In my defence, I checked with WP:RS and did not find thesis to be discussed there. Would you consider raising the issue at WP:RS page to avoid confusion. My gut feeling is that doctoral thesis could be acceptable but not the master's one, at least for the history articles. But that maybe just me. Regards, --Irpen 18:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Peer reviewed documents (journal articles, masters and doctoral theses) are always acceptable. In fact, all things being equal, I'm pretty sure the average master's thesis goes through a stricter review than a journal article. Raul654 20:53, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Protecting featured articles up to the day of feature

It might be worthwhile routinely protecting with {{sprotect}} featured articles from the time that they are scheduled for the front page until the day after their appearance. Knowing that a page will have publicity must be an invitation to any vandal. JMcC 11:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It might be a vandal-magnet but it also confirms Misplaced Pages as the "💕" any person can edit. Rama's arrow 16:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

FA/FAC work

Hi Raul654 - I'm interested in working in the FA/FAC area so I wanted to ask you if I could help out with any of the chores. Please lemme know - I'll be only too glad to help - will follow your lead. Cheers, Rama's arrow 16:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Eric Lerner ban

Since there seem to be enough votes to ban me from editing any article that I am expert in, I just want to make a few points to each of the arbitrators personally so there is no excuse that they don’t know what they are doing.

Not one of you have said what the difference is between my case and that of a climate researcher editing an article on climate research, which is specifically allowed by the Wiki conflict of interest policy. Any professional scientist by definition has a financial interest in the funding of his or her research. Climate researchers "make money off of" climate research. Especially in any controversial field, they must appeal to the general public to generate political support for the governmental funding decisions that they depend on, if they are at universities.

Like myself, anyone working for a corporation has a financial interest in that corporation raising money from the public, both through the sale of products and the sale of shares.

Arbitrator Bauder has said that Bill Gates should be allowed to edit the article on Windows as an expert, yet in no way says how the same rule would not allow me to edit “aneutronic fusion” as an expert.

Aneutronic fusion using the plasma focus is NOT just my work. I am one researcher among quite a few in all these fields, just as a climate researcher is one among many. Nor is that the only approach to aneutronic fusion. Someone who thinks aneutronic fusion is a good idea could, for example, invest in TriAlpha’s Energy, which has a competing approach, or a Congressional aide might be inspired to allocate some money to University of Illinois' effort on the plasma focus.

The case is even clearer with "plasma cosmology" because I never have, unfortunately, gotten funding for this work (except my brief stint at European Southern Observatory.)

Quite clearly no general rule seems to be operating here, at least none that any of you have chosen to defend, that distinguishes my case from that of any other professional expert who makes a living from their research.

My only conclusion is that the intent is simply censorship—to eliminate all those promoting certain viewpoints, specifically on cosmology, from Misplaced Pages. I assume that if I am banned for conflict on interest, anyone who in any way supports a similar viewpoint will be banned as my “meat puppet”.

If I am mistaken and you actually do have some way of showing how a general rule would lead to my banning, but not the a banning of every other professional scientist, I hope you will post it on the proposed decision talk page.

Eric LernerElerner 00:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Tyrone Biggums.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:Tyrone Biggums.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Misplaced Pages and may only be used on Misplaced Pages under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Misplaced Pages. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Gay Cdn (talk) (Contr.) 02:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks

just wanted to say thanks for helping get Colbert up on Today's Featured Article, although apparantly that makes you an "over-zealous leftist administrator" :) --kizzle 08:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin action summaries

Please remember to use action summaries when preforming admin actions :) -- Tawker 19:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Belgrade

I see that Belgrade is going to be the main page featured article on the 24th. If you have nothing against, I would like to give you an edited version of the text someone has prepared to go on the main page, because it currently reads like machine gun prose. // estavisti 04:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

As long as it's close to what the intro says, I'll be happy to use what you guys want. Raul654 12:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

History of Tamil Nadu

Hi Raul. You added History of Tamil Nadu here but didn't add the featured template to the article's talk page or mention it here. Is the article promoted? Or is the FAC still on? - Aksi_great (talk) 12:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

My mistake - I was promoting and somehow it slipped through the cracks. I've finished promoting it now. Raul654 13:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I sent you a quick e-mail...

...let me know. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information

About Belgrade as featured article. We will try to organize promotion of Misplaced Pages in Belgrade as better as possible. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 14:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with an image of Harold Pinter that you uploaded (tagged for speedy deletion due to lack of rationale for fair use as claimed)

Fair use rationale for Image:Harold Pinter.jpg

This file may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Harold Pinter.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Misplaced Pages articles constitutes fair use. When you use a generic fair use tag such as {{fair use}} or {{fair use in|article name}}, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Misplaced Pages page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. NYScholar 08:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Damn you Raul, you uploaded a fair-use image three years ago and didn't give a rationale! You should be desysopped! Debureaucratted! Decheckusered! Deoversighted! Dearbitratored! De-featured-article-directored! Decabaled! Decapitated! Circumsized! ;) Essjay (Talk) 09:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This is not a joke and no jokes should be made about it. The message above was a template found in the image in question; see

This file is claimed to be used under Misplaced Pages's policy for non-free content but has no explanation as to why it is permitted under the policy. Non-free images need a rationale each time they are used in an article. A rationale must be included on this image description page. Unless at least one rationale is provided, the file will be deleted after Friday, 1 December 2006. Please remove this template if a rationale is provided. Note that the boilerplate copyright tags do not by themselves constitute a rationale. Administrators: delete this file. Usage: {{di-no non-free use rationale|date=24 December 2024}} Notify the uploader with: {{subst:di-no non-free use rationale-notice|1=Raul654}} ~~~~ Add the following to the image captions: {{Deletable file-caption|Friday, 1 December 2006|F6}}%5B%5BWP%3ACSD%23F6%7CF6%5D%5D%3A+Non-free+media+file+with+no+%5B%5BWP%3AFUR%7Cnon-free+use+rationale%5D%5D

The uploader (Raul654) according to his signature in the image history) needs to provide a rationale or delete the image entirely from Misplaced Pages Commons, as it is violating copyrights and not within fair use without any or a convincing rationale for fair use given. It is entirely inappropriate for User:Essjay to reply as he has done above. The template asks that such messages as the one that I posted (the template) be posted on the talk page of such uploaders of images with these tags.--NYScholar 20:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh lighten up; if you knew anything about Raul654 or myself, you'd know we both take the fair use policy very seriously, and are both quite experienced with it, what with being long-time en admins and Commons admins. The fact of the matter is, Raul uploaded the image long before fair use was an issue on Misplaced Pages, and he's not given it a second thought since then; somebody uploaded a new image over it, and a third person went back and reverted it yesterday, triggering you to tell him it needed a rationale. He'll get to it when he's next around, and if in the meantime, we decide to have some witty banter over it, well then that's just too bad. Essjay (Talk) 00:35, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Essjay: WHY would you even assume that knowing "anything about Raul654 or self is at all relevant to these issues about the tagged images?! (See WP:NPA: "Comment on content, not on the contributor.") I was simply following Misplaced Pages policy--commenting on content not the people making the content; the content of the message to Raul is a template provided by Misplaced Pages! Of course, I knew you were joking, but there are new Wikipedians who follow links, and they need to know that the matter of this content is no joking matter (they need good examples, not bad or misleading ones). They have no idea who you are either. Being an administrator should mean setting a good example.

"That's just too bad"?! What kind of mature response is that!? Going from the ridiculous to the absurd. . . . This section is about a rationale for a photo. Not you or Raul, or your feelings, or witty comebacks.

The uploaders just need to supply the rationales (which they probably cannot, since the images are not within fair use but copyrighted properties), or (as will eventually probably happen automatically) DELETE the images entirely from the Misplaced Pages image database. When they get around to doing it. If you know Raul so well, perhaps you can alert him to this problem via e-mail. I don't know either of you from Adam, and you don't know me either. "Comment on the content, not the contributor." That is, stick with what you might know rather than something or someone about which or whom you know nothing. Your reply was unnecessary and frivolous, funny as it may have been. If you want to joke with Raul--do it privately, not in such a public way. The idea is to solve the problem relating to these images; not to make jokes back and forth to entertain people.--NYScholar 04:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I dispute the relevance of the statement "Raul uploaded the image long before fair use was an issue on Misplaced Pages. . . ." See the image page. He is the original uploader; the tag says there needs to be fair use rationale; he would know that (even in 2003, and he's been around since 2003, according to his talk and user page and the discussions on this talk page.)

"Fair Use" has been an issue on Misplaced Pages for at least a couple or a few years or more. Policies about uploading images have had "fair use" tags and all kinds of criteria that many Wikipedians have ignored for too long, but the issue has been an issue throughout the history of establishing those policies. Please do not mislead people who might come to this talk page via links to the tagged images in the articles using the photos. The matter is really no cause for frivolity. Misplaced Pages is concerned about potential lawsuits due to copyright violations throughout it. Fair use and copyright are legal matters, not causes for joking. Most people who read Misplaced Pages have little interest in the personalities of its contributors. They just want to read useful and reliable articles. I would have preferred if the article in question on Harold Pinter could have kept the image that is more recent, but it is not within fair use either. Pinter is a living author, and most photographs of him are copyright-protected by their professional photographers, not in the public domain or within fair use. Images from the Nobel Prize site are not within fair use (despite people's protestations to the contrary); they are both copyrighted and trademarked; the whole issue has been hotly disputed in Misplaced Pages in previous articles relating to the Nobel Prizes. --NYScholar 04:08, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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