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| In the thurible article, you refer to "non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Churches". I am a bit confused. What is a non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Church?--] 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | In the thurible article, you refer to "non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Churches". I am a bit confused. What is a non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Church?--] 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | ||
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| Would you be kind enough to look in my talk archives, 6 and 7, and tell me if Matisse's comments (to me)are rational? ]]]. 18:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC) | |||
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In your recent talk to me you said
- You misunderstand me. I am not arguing for any particular position. I am simply describing the current state of affairs, as made clear in the disambiguation at the top of the article, Magick. However, Crowley did coin the term, the article is about his beliefs and writings on the topic, and other's use of the term may or may not be orthogonal to his.
- If you think things should be changed, you'll need to follow Misplaced Pages process to argue for those changes with the current editors of the articles involved. As it stands, the general overview article on what you call Magick and what the dictionary lists as magic is Magic (paranormal). That's simply the state of things, and it is best to observe the distinctions arrived at by the consensus of previous editors. -999 (Talk) 16:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't misunderstand. You are being rather fundamentalist and seem to have your own misunderstanding. Then you disclaim responsibility.
You are essentially saying that anything non-Thelema or non-Crowley is non-Magick. You are recommending that all other Magick goes to Magic (paranormal). But there is nothing paranormal about the rest of the Western Mystery Tradition, or Eastern Mystery Tradition, and this is my point.
Crowley did not invent the spelling of Magick, as others have already proven in the talk pages for the article using the word etymology. He just used the archaic spelling as a way to distinguish - and became (in)famous. It's similar to the convention of using A.D. for dates if you are Christian and C.E. for dates if you are non-sectarian and a scholar. Someday some scholar will infect the public mind with that meme and the masses will think this one smart guy invented an inclusive way to record historical dates.
But even if we take your stand, Crowley drew from both Western and Eastern Mystery Tradition. The Western Mystery Tradition is a vast underground stream that unites the more specific traditions of Thelema, Wicca, Celtic and other Folk Magick, the Grail stuff, the Faery stuff, and even outer religious practices that only initiates really understand. Thelema is one bubbling spring connected to the entirety through that underground stream.
You're also saying that it's best to observe consensus of those who came before. This is pretty much exactly like a fundamentalist of any dogmatic religion would say to any problematic person with a brain to think and question. You're saying submit to dogma and don't think for myself.
Also I think the "editors who have come before" just judging from the talk pages are in disagreement with you about the distinction and you are maintaining an "iron fist" policy over this article to keep it only about what you know. That's in direct contravention to what wikipedia is about.
Again, the best solution would be to make Magick a general index term and take your Thelema to a more specific level underneath it. Magick should probably itself be categorized under Western Mystery Tradition, as it's mostly the West that takes the active path up the Tree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpehrson (talk • contribs)
Thurible article
In the thurible article, you refer to "non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Churches". I am a bit confused. What is a non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Church?--Filll 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Matisse
Would you be kind enough to look in my talk archives, 6 and 7, and tell me if Matisse's comments (to me)are rational? Geo. 18:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)