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Template for history of Romania

For some reason known only to him, Greier has replaced the template for articles in the history of Romania series, removing the inclusion of Regulamentul Organic (an article where the old template lives on...) and has added some sort of succession box which is hard on the eyes and, well, inaccurate (in a tradition of inaccurate contributions).

It's high time we look into this matter with logical arguments. A template for the history of Romania needs more additions and different sets of relations established between the articles. For one, there is no justification for Greater Romania to feature as an article in succession to the Kingdom of Romania: Greater Romania was never an offical name for what remained, in effect, the Kingdom.

Here's my suggestion for a complete, proper, and relevant template. The rlations between articles are as is:

Of course the name it`s awkward. It`s not made by Dachhchhhchn. Greier 20:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Dahn 17:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Opposed due to the câcat (Origin of Romanians????) and inability to accept Dhans ego (Regulamentul Organic????). Also see WP:OWN. If others are weak enough to fall for your logorrhea, that is not what you can say about me. Greier 20:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Biruitorul for admin

I've nominated Biruitorul as a candidate to be an administrator. He has accepted the nomination. Polling is in progress: Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Biruitorul. I'm assuming that pretty much everyone who watches this page is familiar with his work, so your and votes will be well-informed and your comments particularly valuable. - Jmabel | Talk 19:26, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Pictures of the greats and why not to

This has been bugging me for a while now. I kept seeing pictures such as this one, this one and this one. I'm going to leave aside that articles they stand for are messy to say the least, and concentrate on the watercolours' tackyness (cheap and awful renditions of photographs that they are - reminding me of school murals from the 1980s), as well as on the fact that they are subject to copyright. Really, couldn't we come up with better pictures? For one, I am about to upload Asachi's portrait as painted by C. D. Stahi during the man's lifetime - I just want to know if users would object to having the watercolours deleted from wikipedia. Dahn 12:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the Asachi and Alecsandri pictures. The Eminescu picture is on commons and it's used by many wikipedias -- It would be better to replace it with a good scan of his famous photograph. bogdan 12:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks.But you will note that the other two have also been uploaded to Commons: , , and we also have , (this one has another version in the Ioan Slavici article...), and . Dahn 13:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I marked them as having no source and they'll be deleted within a week or so. bogdan 11:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Dahn 12:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
The commons is in an admin crisis, so I got myself an adminship and deleted them outright. :-) bogdan 20:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Dahn, if these are recent enough to have copyright issues, then those can be easily raised on Commons. My guess is that at least the Eminescu one would have been published before 1923, and should not have such issues. Even if we don't want to use these images, if they don't have copyright problems they should remain on Commons. - Jmabel | Talk 08:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I think they're all more recent and they're based on older paintings and photographs. But since we don't even know the author, so we can't tell when they were created... bogdan 11:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
To both: I was trying to delegate the raising of the issue in Commons, since I have not handled such issues before :). As noted by Bogdan, they do have copyright issues - and this, not the kitschiness, was the reson for my original query. I don't know who the author is, but I want to ask my Romanian homies to recall their late childhood and early teens: I distinctly remember the style of the person who illustrated the 5th grade Romanian language textbook and Dumitru Almaş' Povestiri Istorice, and then take a good look at the pics in Commons - they appear have the same creator (he or she is, in fact, likely to still be very much alive). (I remind Anittas, if he is reading this, that I have asked him to remove a picture by the same author, one he had used on his Battle of Vaslui article.) Also noted by Bogdan is the fact that all of these drawings are copies of pictures that are for sure PD - we should have strived to find those to begin with. Dahn 12:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Dahn, I think you're talking about Serban Andreescu, who's indeed very much alive.Dunemaire 13:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Yes, I guess that's him. Out of curiosity - did you reach for your copy of Povestiri Istorice to find that out ;)? Dahn 13:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I googled it - but I still own a copy of the book so that would have been possible also:) Dunemaire 17:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I think I still have my copy in the attic, together with my stamp collection, 1990s computer games and other such things. :-) bogdan 20:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Moldovan wikipedia, again

Believe it or not, but now User:Node_ue and User:Khoikhoi are maniputating a german admin: de:Benutzer Diskussion:Pill#Moldovan Misplaced Pages. Nice way to do it: a Russian and an American are pushing a German into taking the sysop status of User:Bogdangiusca, who supposedly doesn't know "Moldovan". Dpotop 09:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Tsk, tsk. Khoikhoi 18:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
I have a question to both of you. There is an ongoing vote to close that project, and move all its contnets to the Romanian Misplaced Pages. Is it possible to put universal block to all those articles, so as to prevent any non-sense warring until the vote is finished? I don't like what I see around, when users become agreesive, and especially when educated users are slowly dragged into that mess. I can not think of a better solution than to freeze everything until the fate of mo.wikipedia is decided. And the second question, what is the closing date of the vote?:Dc76 23:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Technically, yes. Practically, the wikipedia ruling boards don't want to do it. They accepted the "temporary closure" as it exists today, but users such as Node_ue managed to lead many on these boards into thinking that those who require the closure are "Romanian expansionists". This is why even Bogdangiusca or Ronline are sometimes treated as "POV pushers" on this subject. FUD works, and some users are willing to use it. Dpotop 06:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

"Casablanca"

This is a rather eclectic item but still somewhat on-topic. If you were in Romania during the summer of 1995, you probably remember the song "Casablanca": it played everywhere–on buses, in people's living rooms, in stores, on the street, etc. However, I can find very little information on the song or the singer, Jessica Jay. I know that it was originally performed by Bertie Higgins on a 1982 album, but that's about it. (Also, Jay's accent sounds Irish.) Based on my searches, it seems to have only been a big phenomenon in Romania, and nowhere else. So, with a view to an eventual article: who is Jessica Jay? And why did her song meet such success in Romania? Or if you don't know, do you at least remember what I'm talking about? Biruitorul 06:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

"I wanna be where the Sun is shining, amore mio..." Wait... it wasn't. It was "a kiss is just a kiss in Casablanca...", wasn't it? Or did it get all rythmicky later on? Dahn 06:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
As the linked lyrics show, it was "a kiss is still a kiss..." Biruitorul 06:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Publishers

I was recently looking at List of publishers (which is specific to English-language publishers) and had the thought that a List of Romanian-language publishers would be a good thing. - Jmabel | Talk 16:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Since no one else has stepped up, I started this myself with about half a dozen from my bookshelf. I'm sure that you natives can add dozens (past and present). - Jmabel | Talk 22:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Categories for villages

Which version would be better:

I would favour the first one. The articles on the communes usually talk about the village which gives the name and have links to articles about the other villages within the commune. bogdan 14:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Really? I think we should consider redirecting villags to their respective communes (as separate sections or not). Just how big do we expect an article on a village to get? I'd go with the second. Dahn 14:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Sometimes, villages which had historically little to do one with the other are put within the same commune. bogdan 14:26, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, yeah, but instead of creating thousands of minuscule articles, we could help the reader by sectioning an article on the respective commune. Dahn 14:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Romanians

I would like to bring into everyone's attention the new developments that are taking place at the Romanians article, in particular the behavior of User:Khoikhoi, who has displayed an anti-Romanian bias in the past and who is currently trying to push his own POV by backing it up with false sources (see History of the article: Romanians). Besides being rude and ironic, mocking comments which urged him to display a more moderate attitude (also see his November 12 addition to his own user account where he mockingly "claims to be proud to be Romanian"), he has also asked for the help of User:Mikkalai (a user who likewise has displayed an anti-Romanian attitude in the past) in "doing something about Constantzeanu" (which so happens to be me) -> you can see this on Mikkalai's talk page here, User talk:Mikkalai. I will be curious to see how this "doing something" will translate itself? Or will Mikkalai also brand me "a sock-puppet of Bonnie", just because I have the guts to challenge the frivolous tactics that these two users have used so far. This call to "do something about this guy" is extreemly dangerous and goes 100% against Misplaced Pages rules on Misplaced Pages:Administrators, where Jimbo Wales himself has made it clear that nobody should abuse this responsibiliy or use it as a sort of position of "authority", which is what Mikkalai and Khoikhoi have exactly been doing (also see their bullying on Dc76's talkpage where they accuse him of beying Bonnie). I am bringing this issue here because first off, the article is in the list of "Problem articles" bellow and secondly because the two users I have mentioned here have been heavily involved in POV pushing Romania-related articles, an attitude that has been totally unconstructive, in my opinion and which has to stop.Dapiks 02:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

If you don't stop immediately personal attacks, you will be blocked. `'mikkanarxi 02:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
This is exactly the kind of bullying I am talking about. When have I personally attacked someone. I am simply stating a grievance that I have with you and Khoikhoi. And under wikipedia rules I can make this grievance public, including taking this to an Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee for "Administrator abuse".Dapiks 02:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
You are strongly recommended to learn where to draw the line between "grievances" and "slander". For starters, I suggest you to review wikipedia:No personal attacks. `'mikkanarxi 02:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
You might not realize this, but writing "If you don't ... , you will be blocked." is a threat, especially when made by an administrator. A new, unexperiensed user can be easely abused by an administrator. There is sometimes a clear tendency to use such sentences when an administrator wants to push his/her POV. Just think how does a new user feels when his/her edits are reversed with such comments.
What qualifies as a personal attack and what does not - there is a procedure and guidline for that to decide, which is always done case by case. It is not an automatic determination. You can not just say "this is a personal attack". Someone neutral has to make that decision. The same neutral person should recommend the action: in some cases a simple request will suffice, in others a ban might be needed. People involved in a dispute about one or several articles might easily tend to regard the other's actions as personal attacks. Dapiks raised a legitimate concern above. He did so in a very passionate way, which obviously was not necessary. But that does not diminish the substance. It is possible either to address the core of the problem, or to ramble non-sense at each other. Anyone interested in solving the core of the problem?
The core of the issue is (in my oppinion):
  1. What if an "edit war" starts between a well-experienced administrator who pushes (maybe a pseudo-scientific) POV, and an unexperienced relatively new user? Can this administrator use his administrative powers to block the later user, or advise another administrator to block the user? Chances are that if administrator's POV is too obvious, someone else will join. But what if for a moment there are no other users interested in the issue, or they are afraid to be blocked as well? Is there a way to get to a fair arbitration? Will an aribitrer be predisposed to rather side with an well-established administrator, whose contributions on other topics might be very valuable, and who pushes POV only in a certain concentrated area? How is it possible to ensure that the powers given to an administrator are used responsibly and are not abused?
  2. Such a problem will most likely leave at first sight an impression of being a personal off-topic dispute. How is it possible to ensure that the two parties only talk about the subject without attacking each other, and without creating in the article history a race for the blackest comment on the other's edits.
Personally, I am very surprized that this problem occured, since I have collaborated in the past with both Khoikhoi and Dapiks, and they always seemed civillized and constructive, at least when they spoke with me or editted alongside me. I know this is too much to ask from users, but I want to ask from the real persons: Would you both, as well as Mikkalai, come here and say you regret this misunderstanding came between you? Sounding more appologetic than needed does not diminish one's dignity, sounding less appologetic diminishes one's intelligence. If you have an issue with POV on some articles, why didn't you come here and sign a simple sentance: "We found ourselves in an edit war, awyone whats to help us out of an awkward situation?" Is it really so hard to solve this in civilized tone, without threats? :Dc76 23:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I always advise against administrators using their admin powers in conflicts that involve themselves. And while Constantzeanu / Dapiks remarks here are a bit harsh, they do not seem to me like personal attacks. They are focused almost entirely on the conduct, not the character, of the people involved. There is no rule that people's conduct is beyond discussion. The closest thing I see here to a personal attack is a suggestion of a bad attitude, which seems to me to be within the pale. - Jmabel | Talk 19:26, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Blat

Someone split/disambiguated the articel Blat, and then I moved the Romanian part into a reasonable English-language title, Match fixing in Romanian football. Please update your watch lists (and the article, too). `'mikkanarxi 02:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Problem with voting

There is a problem with voting on this page. It says I don't exist as user, and only my IP address is registered. But I can login, edit and vote everywhere else. I suspect it is a softwere problem, and that many other people are hindered to do the same thing as me. Could you, please, help. Thank you! :Dc76 16:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I got the answer to this question at WikiHelp, and I think other people would be interested to know that:
  1. to vote on Wikimedia you need a separate meta account, and you can create one right away
  2. the vote is only conducted on wikimedia, not on wikipedia itself. I move for a similar vote to take place on wikipedia. Anyone would second my motion? Anyone can advise on where this proposal should be submitted? :Dc76 17:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
In fact I later got a more specific (I would say professional) answer at WikiHelp, which since useful, will permanently stay at my user page. (If you ever enounter similar problems.):Dc76 23:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


Problem articles

This is an incomplete list of articles where conflicts involving Romanian interests have occured, or which have involved Romanian Wikipedians (add any others):

Cercetaşii României

Can anyone help fill in some of the biographies in the history section of this article? Chris 17:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, is there a project template for the talk pages of articles? Chris 19:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
We don't have a project template. Is anyone here interested in taking that on? - Jmabel | Talk 07:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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  1. Anittas 17:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  2. Bonaparte talk & contribs 17:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  3. Alexrap 18:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  4. Dunemaire 18:59, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  5. Jmabel | Talk 19:24, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  6. Dahn 19:27, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  7. Orioane 19:44, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  8. Tfine80 20:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  9. Voievod 15:29 (Eastern), 4 December 2005
  10. Dpotop 21:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  11. Vlad 22:13, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
  12. Ronline ✉ 00:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  13. AdiJapan 03:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  14. PET 05:07, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  15. HotelRoom 06:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  16. Dalf | Talk 09:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  17. Mihai Andrei 13:27, 5 December 2005 (CET)
  18. Vasile
  19. Algos 23:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
  20. Uncke Herb 06:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  21. AdamSmithee 22:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  22. EvilAlex 22:27, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  23. Tavilis 11:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  24. vkxmai 01:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
  25. Anclation 18:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
  26. bogdan 00:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
  27. NorbertArthur 8:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
  28. mmtux 23:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  29. Anonimu 21:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
  30. Arcadie 08:12, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
  31. TSO1D 15:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
  32. Just a tag 15:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
  33. Romihaitza 18:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
  34. Hurricane Angel 02:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  35. R.S.ro 21:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
  36. MIsterMan 12:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
  37. Radufan 20:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
  38. Mentatus 18:32, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  39. Criztu 18:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  40. MariusM 00:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
  41. Khoikhoi 00:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
  42. Dapiks 00:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  43. Dc76 19:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
  44. Roamataa 21:37, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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