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	== Major POV problem ==

	This article needs to be rewritten so that it isn't obviously railing against the so-called "race to the bottom". ] 09:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
	:: But I think the phrase inherently refers to the negative aspects of deregulation, and the perverse nature of certain incentives to deregulate. Insofar as deregulation is good, it really wouldn't be called a "race to the bottom." ] (]) 17:29, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

	== Isn't "race to the bottom" a far more general term? ==

	Doesn't the term cover '''any competition that produces emergent negative beaviour'''??


	e.g. 1
	the tendancy to for people to buy bigger and bigger cars (to compete on safety and to compete on style) is called a "race to the bottom" in the book the Rebel Sell.

	e.g. 2
	The same book describes more and more graphic body-piercings by each successive generation of teens similarly. Yesterdays rebellion is nothing today so, to compete, you have to go to the next level.

	e.g. 3
	Arms races are an example of a race to the bottom (and arms treaties are used to check this natural tendancy).

	e.g. 4
	Even tree heights in a forest are an example. If the trees could only agree to all grow less tall they'd all get the same amount of sunlight. Sadly wasted tree-trunk-growing effort is the order of the day. This emergent wasteful behaviour is also a race to the bottom. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Definitely. Saying that it refers just to competition between governments is way too limiting. The entire article needs a serious rewrite for this. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Yes, this article claims a narrowness of definition which is not reflective of wider use. When people speak of a race to the bottom they mean a dive towards the worst that mankind is capable of rather than climbing to the best. ] (]) 11:42, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

	I was really confused about this too. This article explains what is a classic ''example'' of a race to the bottom, but is not the definition. That said, I think the definition is a game, very close to, but not identical to, the prisoner's dilemma. ] (]) 17:31, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

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Bias

This article reads from a very leftist perspective, thanks in large part to relying upon left-wing sources. There are important game theory applications of this term and nowhere does this discuss the "Delaware Effect" (opposite of the "California Effect" which has been called "race to the top" before Obama lifted the term). I imagine one could make a WP:TNT argument to have this deleted. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Probably from your perspective, the very thing, the concept of a race to the bottom is left biased. Certainly the notion that wages are low is a left perspective, by rightist perspective they can't be too low, the lower the better for "entrepreneurship". Contrary to what you say, the main space text and much of the back matter make clear the opposite is the case (the immediately prior comment is an (accurate if inarticulate) exception). I have corrected this by at least making clear what the metaphor is about. The ubiquity of right wing perspectives, while in rapid decay from the pile up of its effects, allows such obvious glaring mistakes of fact. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 06:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

The clarification I've added to the lede was stimulated by the tagging which is justified by the right wing obfuscation of the meaning of the term just referred to. I would remove the tag but the body of the article still so solidly reflects that obfuscation that it is still justified. 98.4.124.117 (talk) 09:48, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

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