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I wish to edit the youtube information section, so that it will include his new channel Akkad Daily. 138.51.117.53 (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done We already have a link to his official youtube channel. Per WP:ELMIN: we generally include one link to an "official" website, but no more than that. We aren't a directory. Nblund 22:48, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Any news of the police investigation?

Can't find anything in the papers. T 85.166.160.249 (talk) 03:09, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Request to edit the Rape comments section.

I'd like to edit and replace with a source this statement, as Carl Benjamin provided an example of Jess Philips giggling when male rape/men's rights was being discussed.

"Phillips has critiqued the idea of a "men's day" but has not mocked male suicide, which she believes to be a serious issue."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRWUsn4yyJI — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilddog73 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps what could be said instead is: "Phillips the idea of a "men's day" has critiqued and has openely laughed at the idea of male MPs raising men's issues in the Houses of Parliament but has not mocked male suicide, which she believes to be a serious issue." I would add this line to better reflect the footage but I think it may be better to seek more of a concensus. Spy-cicle (talk) 18:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

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1. MP Jess Phillips laughs at men's rights debate request, retrieved 2019-10-15

Editor commentary about a Youtube video would be original research. Misplaced Pages content needs to be based on what is found in independent reliable sources, especially for a WP:BLP. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 19:59, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree with @Spy-cicle that it would be OR, however the BLP guidelines can allow it to certain extent, with caution, and since it concerns another living person, I dont think we can safely add the opinion of Carl on that, it could also be potentially damageable for Jess Phillips so I would err in the direction of just avoiding. I mean, it was a non-rape comment, unlike suggest the lead of this talk. This is text book weasle speack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.159.21 (talk) 20:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Let me correct myself. I did a mistake in my last comment so instead lets read the specific about self published sources : Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article. "Self-published blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs. Some news organizations host online columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control. Posts left by readers are never acceptable as sources.

Lead adjustments

Currently the lead is very poor and overloaded.

The first two sentences are as follows: "Carl Benjamin (born 1979) is a polemic anti-feminist British YouTuber with the online pseudonym Sargon of Akkad. He is a member of the UK Independence Party (UKIP)." Currently the polemic is sourced by one or two sources and is simply a claim and not a definitive fact. It could be said later on the lead or in the main section that: According to and , Benjamin is polemic as he uses contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position (i.e. Anti-feminism) by aggressive claims and undermining of the opposing position throughout his YouTube videos. The anti-feminst part is stated throughtout far more sources but is not neccessary for the first line as it makes it bloated but could certainly be mentioned later on in the lead.

I suggest the new first sentence be: "Carl Benjamin (born 1979) known online as Sargon of Akkad is a British YouTuber who commentates on political affairs in the United Kingdom and the United States through his YouTube channel. He was also a MEP candidate for the UK Independence Party (UKIP) for South West England in 2019." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spy-cicle (talk • contribs) 19:03, October 15, 2019 (UTC)

The lead description has been debated before several times. You can check the talk page archives to see why these descriptions are used. – Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 20:05, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

None justify the use of the word 'polemic' in the lead despite the fact it is already very bloated for a first sentence. Spy-cicle (talk) 21:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Grayfell: this is where I have discussed on the talk page.  🕵️Spy-cicle💥  20:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

The burden is still on you to gain consensus for these changes. Grayfell (talk) 20:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Lets Apply the BLP guidelines

this page is littered with false information, smears and unreliable sources. I suggest a clean up and the removal of ALL contentious material, as propose the BLP guidelines. I understand many are attached to a specific narrative, however everything that touches alleged anti-feminism and the gamergate controversy is highly contentious. Those sections could be tranferred to the GG article without problem, however a bio page is not the place to continue feuds from outside of wikipedia or support one side or another of those feuds. This page could be skimmed to a fraction of its current volume and become more accurate by letting go the contentious stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.159.21 (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Here are the guidelines. Please make yourself familiar to it : https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.159.21 (talk) 20:08, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Here is the specific guideline I think would help the article, if applyied : The material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. I think the NBC and NYT articles used as sources in this article would fit the description of tabloid journalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.176.159.21 (talk) 20:16, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The New York Times and NBC News are both widely considered to be reliable. The information on Gamergate is supported by reliable sources, and there's no clause in our BLP policies that prohibits us from mentioning reliably sourced events simply because they reflect negatively on a person. Nblund 20:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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