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Paparokan

Hey Angus,

Orhan Pamuk said that he never used the phrase "Turks killed Armenians." on a Turkish television(CNNTURK). Armenian genocide is an historical article and should not have to refer to present day talks. Kanal D - HaberYazar Orhan Pamuk "30 bin Kürt öldürüldü" sözü için merak edilen açıklamayı ... gibi "Biz şu kadar Ermeni öldürdük" demedim, soykırım sözcüğünü kullanmadım. ... www.kanald.com.tr/haber/guncel/2005.10.16/orhan.shtml

In English, Pamuk says "I did not say we killed that amount of Armeninas, I did not use the word genocide" as a translation of " "Biz şu kadar Ermeni öldürdük" demedim, soykırım sözcüğünü kullanmadım." demedim means "not say", and "öldürdük" means "kill". "kullanmadım" means "did not use" and "soykırım" means "genocide".

Northumbria

Hey Angus,

ODNB has (giving the name and description):

• It doesn't have an article on Eadulf, but it calls him "Eadulf"
• Ealdred, leader of the Northumbrians
• Osulf , Earl of Bamburgh
• Waltheof does not have an article, and is referred to as Waltheof, with no identifier, in Uthred's article. I assume "Earl of Bamburgh" would be an appropriate descriptor.
• Uhtred, Earl of Bamburgh (the word "Bold" does not appear in the article)
• not sure about the leaders between Uhtred and Siward
• Siward, Earl of Northumbria.

Is that useful? john k 00:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem. john k 00:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Additions

Added thirty further dates at http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Years_in_Ireland before I ran out of steam. Hope to do more soon. The Chronicle (vol. VIII N.H.I.) is fantastic. Fergananim 16:33, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The Halo's RfA

Angusmclellan... Thank you very much for the constructive criticism in your oppose comment in my request for adminship. Ultimately, no consensus was reached, and I failed to be promoted, but I am very grateful for your coments. I will strive to better myself in all areas, especially Mainspace. Yours, Thε Halo 00:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Peer review

Hi Angusmclellan. I have seen that you are doing good work on medieval matters, and I abslutely loved your comment on the Götaland theory. I am doing a major overhaul of Beowulf-related articles and begun with Hroðgar and Halga. I would like to have them peer reviewed. You may have opinions.--Berig 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Enlightenment

Thanks for the recent message regarding sources on Death toll of the Enlightenment. Looking over the article, all of the statistics are sourced. What remaining elements do you think need references? --Tbook 20:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the title of the article is the thing that is problematic - I think it is commonly accepted that a number of modern governments have been genocidal or at least engaged in mass executions of those whom they considered threats. It seems that a catalog of such events is an appropriate article for Misplaced Pages. I chose the title under the presumption that the most definitive philosophical character of the modern state is its origin in Enlightenment philosophy - which characterizes the modern conception of the state in both its good points and its bad points - I can see how the article could be perceived as an attack on the Enlightenment because it illustrates a negative aspect of it - although I would be the first to agree that there are many positive aspects, as well. It seems as though there might be two ways to go with it - recast the title and introduction as relating to the modern secular state, without focusing as much on the Englightenment, or restricting the examples to governments more immediately associated with the 18th century thinkers - most obviously the French Revolution, reign of terror, etc. - or maybe doing two separate articles - one on each topic. What are your thoughts on that? --Tbook 14:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that the article was deleted (unfortunately, I was unaware of the discussion, which I would have liked to have taken part in.) However, I would still like to continue our discussion so that I can get a better sense of what seemed objectionable in the article. I have posted it in user space at User:Tbook/Enlightenment so that we can continue to talk about it. I assume that is acceptable. I am looking forward to your comments. --Tbook 15:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Requesting administrator assistance on IRC

I am taking these accusations of lack of process for using IRC quite seriously. Whether IRC should or shouldn't be used: the fact is it is used, and not just by me. Instead of debating whether using IRC is against procedure, I've proposed a procedure for when sysops use IRC to listen to Move Requests, which for now I've put on the village pump (policy) page: Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#Requesting_administrator_assistance_on_IRC. —Pengo 00:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Agatha

Give me a day or two and I will submit a more cogent article. --Ghirla 16:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Belgium

Hi,

I see you are already heavily commited, but in case you are interested in joining a new wikiproject; Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Belgium!

greetings, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

WP Belgium

Hi,

this article was listed there, maybe you'd like to join this new WP? Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Belgium.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ow sorry seems I had already talked to you about it.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Re

Hey. No I never got your response to that email. I am around just now, but I don't have the kind of time I used to have. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 17:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

IRC/RFA/VPP

Thanks for the heads up. I had a bit of a trudge through. I do agree about transparency being important to Misplaced Pages's functioning too, of course, and I especially don't see myself attempting to join any private admin-only IRC channels. Cheers. —Pengo 23:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Moving Pages

Thanks for the info. I thought there should have been a simpler way, but I didn't look very hard. I'll remember in future. Nick Watts 11:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Early Christian Ireland

Hello Angus. If you look at the Timeline of Irish history you will see that I have made a start on that era, though only up to about 546. What I am doing is trying to add in as many stubs on poets, kings and saints as I can one at the moment being Cenn Fáelad mac Aillila - which I hope to finish within the next few minutes. However, my health is not good enough to do anything more than these small stubs, so I'm afraid all I will be able to do is comment and make minor revisons to your work. Do you think any of my latest contributions will be of any help? Cheers, Fergananim 14:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

P.S.

Do you have anything on Fland Fina, aka Aldfrid son of Osuiu, King of Northumbria? Fergananim 14:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Máireg Béan Ó Conchubhair Fáilghe

Aengus, a mac! Ta bron orm, I meant to get back to you about your wonderful new article User:Angusmclellan/Early Christian Ireland quicker than this. A breif note about my illness; its bi-polar and depression, and has knocked sheer hell out of me these past several years, especially for the last four. Can't work, can't travel, or do much of anything so Wiki and our mutual interests are a great way of doing something, little as they may be. Heck, nowadays I DO read Playboy for the articles! Help!

Also would like feedback on the above, just finished.

Okay, your article:

• 1 - You might want to look up Attacotti, and if you can, Rance's article (cited by myself at the bottom) as it throws a whole new light on Romano-Irish contacts in the mid-to-late 4th century.

• 2 - Any chance of a translation of the Latin at the end of "Setting the scene"? Who is it by?

• 3 - "The evidence of the Irish annals and genealogies for this period is at best unreliable and at worst the victim of later manipulations." Very true, but not unrecoverable. It would seem that it was not until as late as 516 that the Connachta (not to be known as the Ui Neill for another generation or two!) seized Mide. And in the north they do not seem to have become a true power till as late as the mid-7th century! See The Kingship and Landscape of Tara, ed. Edel Bhreathnach, 2005; ISBN 1851829547 (if you can afford it!) or best yet, the section "Recent Theories" that I wrote based on it in Airgíalla

• 4 - The graphics are fantastic, especially those showing the various kingdoms. For my money, it would be great if you could divide them up into three: one showing Ptolomy's map, one showing Ireland around the time of Patrick, and one for the 7th century - you already have this in "Peoples and princes", though I think they could be far better defined by use of mountions, rivers and a colour scheme. Or is this a bit too much work?

• 5 - The photo of the Ardagh Chalice is superb!

• 6 - The latest issue of Archaeology Ireland has a great, indepth peice on the Irish bog psalter - which is now called Faddan Mor Psalter. I hope to add information in the next couple of days, all of which I hope will be of use.

• 7 - Is there anyway I can fax you articles on this era? I do have quite a few, just don't have much enegry to tackle a large article like this one.

If you have any other areas of concern, please let me know as I love to help. Is mise, Fergananim 22:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for reverting my Talk page. I took this opportunity to archive my talk page - which was overdue anyway. I blocked that user for 3 hours to let them know we don't tolerate time-wasting. Best, Johntex\ 18:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Ta

Don't know why I didn't think of that... I usually do!

--Mais oui! 21:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Grodan_boll

This user appears to be doing nothing but vandalism. I saw zir "work" on evil and checked the account's edit history. I saw your warnings on the user's talk page, but I'm wondering what are the criteria for blocking someone?

I'll watch your Talk: page for any response.

Septegram 13:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Agatha

Thanks for your kind words. It's late here in Russia, so I have to go home. Will be back on Monday. --Ghirla 19:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Dashes

You're right that number dashes shouldn't be hyphens (-) but en-dashes (–). What I was doing yesterday was changing the HTML entities (–) to Unicode characters (–, on a Windows machine hold down Alt and type 0150 on the number pad). It's like typing the character é instead of é (é). Don'worry, you didn't do it wrong; I just made it clearer :o) — OwenBlacker 08:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
PS: Good work on those articles!

Re: Carla deary

You're more than welcome to pursue {{prod}} or {{afd}} if you like. Luna Santin 23:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

RE:Máel Coluim of Atholl

I have no more information on this atm. I can get access to it though. What does LVED stand for? BTW, browsing through some of the charters in RRS, vol. 1, and found that Godred of Man appears as a witness on a charter to Kelso Abbey issued by Máel Coluim IV at Roxburgh; he's first on the lay witness list as "Godredo rege insularum". Just found it curious that he was given this title in this context. I don't know if you've ever browsed through the RRS volumes, but they are amazing. Ignoring the charters, the introductions are unbeatable sources for the king's they cover. E.g. the one on Máel Coluim IV's reign (v. I) is 128 pages long, and is definitely worth copying and using for wiki. Have a good one. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 02:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Snodgrass

How curious that there was an article on Snodgrass already in existence, practically unlinked! But I am astonished by the statement in it that he is American. I heard him lecture once, and I would swear that he is English (West Country, from my memory, but it's a long time ago now) definitely with quite a strong regional accent. Best wishes Andrew Dalby 17:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

GPA

I suspect User:Chikinpotato11 is of an age to be receiving GPA's him/herself! The "GPA in ..." articles are simply cut and pastes from grade (education). The grade_(education) article is too big and does need splitting but I suggest: prod all the "GPA in ..." articles (I think Chikinpotato11 has now given up); revert grade_(education); wait for someone else to do the job properly. -- RHaworth 19:30, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Relativité

Hello Angus- I chimed in my 2 cents on Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/fr#4 -Eric 17:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Angus- No prob--hope it helps! -Eric 20:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Moved pages

Thanks for moving the pages. Is it OK if I delete your message from my talk page? Gkwikilab 14:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Prod compiler flag

Hi, I noticed you taged the page compiler flag for deletion. I merged the information into command-line argument and redirected to there. I would ask you in the future to consider proposing merges rather than deletion. The merge location was very obvious. Also, consider the potential for a page to expand. There is potentially a lot of information about compiler flags, but you obviously didn't consider that. Please just try considering those things in the future when you're thinking about proding stuff. Fresheneesz 07:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the watchful eye!

I see you've had popups reverting vandalism to my talk page, for which I thank you! RGTraynor 05:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA thanks

Hi, Angusmclellan! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Misplaced Pages a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)

--Coredesat 16:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Misplaced Pages:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 21:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFA/Cynical

Thank you for contributing to my RFA. Unfortunately it failed (final tally 26/17/3). As a result of the concerns raised in my RFA, I intend to undergo coaching, get involved in the welcoming committee and try to further improve the quality of my contributions to AFD and RFA. All the best. Cynical 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

For offering your opinion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lori Klausutis (third nomination). The article was deleted. "The quality of mercy is not strain'd . . . It is enthroned in the hearts of kings, It is an attribute to God himself; And earthly power doth then show likest God's, When mercy seasons justice." ~ Wm. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act IV Scene 1. Morton devonshire 22:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias

Hey Angus, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 04:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Henri V

The addition of Henri V to the list of Kings of France was NOT vandalism, If you allow Napolean II and Louis XIX (fifteen minutes, according to the Guiness book of world records), and Louis XVII (NEVER) you have to admit that the future Comte de Chambourd, who was proclaimed king on July 30, 1830, and had a regent proclaimed by the general assembly (The duke of Orleans later usurped the throne and became king himself but he was officially regent) should be allowed a place on the list.

He was really king of France. I don't know what you guys have against him.

Education Act 1494

Thanks for the clarification/correction on this LeContexte 16:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Gard du Corps?

Thanks for cleaning up my various cock-ups Angus, I'm not the cleanest keyboarder. Trying very hard to improve, similar to my piping and fiddling! Now.. I see that you've started that article about the 2nd Earl of Buchan. Do you know where one can find out more info about the 1st company Garde du Corps. It's something I'd like to play with, but there doesn't seem to be much reference online, and all I can seem to find elsewhere just refers to certain characters being members, but no gen about the body itself. It seems slightly unfair that the Byzantine Varangian guard is quite well recorded, and the French Irish, yet poor wee us... Slán.Brendandh 21:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh look I cocked up in the title of this bit! Anyhow.. thanks. I'll start burrowing away.Brendandh 22:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Alexander Stewart, Earl of Mar

I want to expand this article slightly. I see you have made some good points and quotes, can you directly reference them so that I can add references to the expanded material without misleading the reader about the sources used?Also, apparently some extracts of Mar's Gaelic poetry survives, from the 17th century History of the Macdonalds; does your source have anything on this, just in case I don't get around to looking at the History. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Does Grant himself make the point that "Lowland" army, in fact that of the north-east and eastern Highlands? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he did have something to say, on Karl Hundason at least. I think the compiler got confused because of something, and incorrectly put him in. I'll need to see if my notes see anything and see if my memory freshens up any. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

PS, I will add what I can to the Alexander Stewart article, and maybe you can improve it using your sources if you want. I'm not able as yet to get basic table information like when he was born, where he died, etc. BTW, I have Boardman's article on the Wolf now; I'd recommend you get hold of it if you can. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, lost my notes from the Woolf lecture. He did explain him, but I can't remember precisely what it was. It was something along the lines of, when the guy compiling it was putting it together he confused one story with another. That's all I remember. The Orkneyinga Saga is an extremely dubious source, essentially it's not a saga, but a compilation of all the material one guy could find about Orkney. Sorry I can't be of more help. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 01:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Edinburgh and Edgar

Can you tell me the source for Étgar mac Maíl Choluim dying at Edinburgh? I was looking today at the (Latin) Chronicle of Fortingall, which seems to be right about all the other death locations, and gives Dundee.. Any thoughts? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 18:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Jogaila

Is the fact that no other encyclopedia calls the guy Jogaila a reason enough? I also wonder whether the fact that Jogaila changed his name and did not use the pagan name for most of his life is a reason enough.. Finally, I believe it is a bad precedent. We would have to move all monarchs, including the English ones, to the names they had when they were born. Or am I wrong and this guy is an exception? //Halibutt 23:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if my comment above sounded a tad rude, that was not my intention. As to your arguments:

• You write that he was Lithuanian and thus should have a Lithuanian name. Sure, but then we should apply the very same rule to all monarchs. Move John Paul II to Karol Wojtyła, move George II of Great Britain to Georg August von Brunswick-Lüneburg, move Edward VII of the United Kingdom to Eduard von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, and so on, and so forth. However, I get an impression that this would be the only such article to be moved to the less popular and less obvious title. Double standards anyone?
• As to the rules being disputed, I know that and I took part in the discussion there myself. And that's precisely why we dropped the title of Vladislaus II of Poland, which would be the title suggested by the rules. "of Poland" would only make our fellow Lithuanians angry, which is why we dropped it.
• As to the complains you write about, do I get you right that you plan to hold the article on that particular Polish king hostage to your campaign of renegotiating the guidelines? "We won't change the name so that more people complained and so that we could change the rules one day"?
• Finally, you didn't comment on the fact that the article should not have been moved to Jogaila in the first place. Does it mean that if this WP:RM would end in a stalemate, any admin would have the liberty to interpret it the way he likes? The last time we had a poll (not even a voting), the result was 16:16, yet it was moved. So, this time the article could also be moved back under the same conditions, right?

//Halibutt 08:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it all prove that Jogaila is a solitary exception in wiki? Anyway, the Harald example shows that the best thing to do if the move procedure fails would be to move the article back where it was and then hold the WP:RM to move it to Jogaila, as apparently there are lots of people willing to defend the status quo regardless of what it is. So, if moving the article against the consensus is ok, then moving it back would be ok as well.

As to the proposal, I was the one to defend the "of Poland", which however seems to be a tad problematic as far as our fellow Lithuanians are concerned. So, to please them we'd have to include not only the royal title, but also the titles - in the case of kings of Poland the title would then be several lines long. Just imagine Władysław II (King of Poland, lands of Kraków, Sandomierz, Sieradz, Łęczyca, Cuyavia, Grand Duke of Lithuania, hereditary master of Pomerania and Ruthenia, overlord of Prussia). Nice one, isn't it. //Halibutt 13:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Angus! You mentioned you're not averse to two names just not the ones I've proposed, that is, some combination of the Polish and Lithuanian in native syntax: Jogaila, Władysław II Jagiełło, and perhaps "Poland-Lithuania" (again, "of Lithuania" or "of Poland" alone is not historically appropriate). What would you like to see reflected in the Jogaila/Jagiełło title? Thanks!
Just a P.S., if you are of the "Władysław" is "not English" camp (gathering from the above), I've attempted to engage in a discussion in naming conventions and use of diacriticals (mentioned in the Jogaila talk page).
Best regards, Peters —Pēters J. Vecrumba 13:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Scottish Reformation

Thanks for your encouragement! Slackbuie 11:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Simon Fraser (patriot)

Hi Angus, you mentioned in an edit summary that the article Simon Fraser (patriot) had a not-so-great article title. What would you say would be a more apt title? He was the 2nd Chief of Clan Fraser, but that's not usually a social standing referred to by article titles. Pater, possibly, as he is seen as the father of the Clan Fraser. I wouldn't say of Lovat yet, because he wasn't. I didn't create the article, and I'm usually somewhat hesitent to move articles if I've little business doing so, but I've cringed at the article title many a time. If a more apt title could be thought up, moving it might be a good idea. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 07:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

oopse delete these too please

Category-Class Ethiopia articles Template-Class Ethiopia articles Disambig-Class Ethiopia articles Ethiopia articles needing infoboxes

Thanks--Ling.Nut 13:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ferdinand I

I created the appropriate link to Ferdinand I of Aragon at the Catalan nationalism article. With the death of Martin in 1410, the House of Barcelona was bereft of a male heir and representatives of the three realms of the Crown of Aragon — Aragon, Valencia, and Catalonia — got together to elect a new king in the person of Ferdinand of Antequera in 1412 by the so-called Compromise of Caspe. Ferdinand was a son of John I of Castile and grandson of Peter IV of Aragon. He was thus Castilian on his father's side and Aragonese on his mother's. Srnec 22:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

New Cork vote

There is a new move request and survey regarding Cork. This time it is proposed to move Cork to Cork (city) in order to move Cork (disambiguation) to Cork. You are being informed since you voted in the last Cork survey. See Talk:Cork. --Serge 07:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Burkem

I'd welcome your thoughts on User_talk:Burkem#Undoing_the_damage. --BrownHairedGirl 09:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

RfM

Hiya, I wanted to make sure we waited at least a week, so that everyone had a chance to thoroughly ponder whether or not they wanted to participate. I also wanted to ensure that we had a more or less even mix of people from different sides of the debate. As for filing the actual paperwork, sure, go ahead, I like the subpage idea. We can also link it from Talk:Jogaila to let everyone else see it and ensure that they're okay on the wording as well. And thanks. :) --Elonka 18:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Chronicle of Ireland edits

I trust I didn't offend with my attempts to explain your revert to Jreferee. Dppowell 00:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

You're over my head, Angus, sorry! I'm not familiar with those texts. I don't recall seeing them mentioned in the introduction to this Chronicle translation, and a cursory scan of the indices doesn't turn them up, either. I'm new to the study of the period; sorry I couldn't be more help. Dppowell 04:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Cheers back to you

I haven't been around much though I see the AG talk page has not changed much...however the article itself has improved somewhat...though it has a way to go. Again - it stylistically conflicts with my approach and I find it hard to edit bits...plus anything I've ever edited has been reverted anyway (so not sure I will be doing much besides occasionally countering certain BS on the talk page)....still in the article itself there is need for some more background/context as well as a better feeling for the chronology and specific actions taken by the CUP (incl how they implemented the Genocide and how it differed in different geographic areas and over time...ie. how the Armenian populations were differently affected and experienced the genocide differently) etc. Anyway, mostly I just wanted to say hello back to you...--THOTH 20:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Answer

I have answered you on my talk page. you may delete this message when you have read it :) Inge 14:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Óengus I of the Picts

I have nominated Óengus I of the Picts for WP:FA status. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 04:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I need your help with User:Calgacus/David I.. I'm very unhappy with it, mostly because it is too long and I can't figure the best way to include the "Davidian reforms". I.e., at the end, where they are now, or integrated in the text on a chronological basis. Both seem to me imperfect. You're prolly getting impatient with it, as it has been there for months now. Do you think I should shorten it? Do you think it's too POV? Is it too heavily reliant on Oram etc? Any criticisms you have, please give them on User talk:Calgacus/David I.. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 15:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. How should I interpret your silence on the David I article btw? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 02:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. I was thinking about moving the text there earlier. But I found another article on the BotS I wish to incorporate first. I'll try to get around to that as soon as I can. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 14:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Henry of Scotland

OK, problem. User:Mais Oui! Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon to Henry of Scotland. That isn't the problem. The problem is thatUser:Dimadick later in March converted the page Henry of Scotland] to a redirect and pasted the content into Henry of Scotland, 3rd Earl of Huntingdon. Because no-one at the time noticed, the latter has subsequently accrued a history, so that the article is functioning with two histories. What do you reckon I should do? Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 16:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Erlend Thorfinnsson

I made the move as requested, but this really needs to be expanded or it's in danger of deletion itself. Thanks. Chick Bowen 20:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm?

That may be so, but neither of those pages were attack pages. URNOBODY

Your opinion on mediating a dispute ...

I wonder if you grab your mediation boss's hat and skim over User:Angusmclellan/Jogaila mediation, my draft proposal for mediating a page-naming dispute. Is this something that would be accepted for mediation once the i's were dotted and the t's crossed ? Thanks a bunch in advance, Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Everything seems to be in order; I obviously don't comment on the merits of cases before they are filed, but as far as compliance with our format and the like, you have done very well. Essjay (Talk) 02:17, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Wodehouse quote

Ta Angus. --Mais oui! 08:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Shiny new buttons

Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use. ~ trialsanderrors 06:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Monifieth High School

Lacking in good faith? We-ell... you may be, but the fact that "Stonerface" answered my criticism of Manby by protesting that "I was not critisising him..." rather gave the game away in terms of his identity, I feel! <g> Loganberry (Talk) 01:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and cheers for reverting the vandalism on my user page. I feel like a proper Wikipedian now I've had that done to me! Loganberry (Talk) 02:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ben More Assynt

Thanks for the Barn Star for the above article and the kind words. It is really appreciated. Regards Mick Knapton 15:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Thanks for the help with the Miles Franklin Primary School article, I appreciate it mate! Drizzt Jamo 04:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Perth

Just so you know, the reason for the unexpected appearance of a heap of links to Perth rather than Perth is the result of a new infobox template ({{Infobox Australian Place}}) - it's clearly been an unforeseen problem with its implementation. When it's fixed (I'd say sometime today) the problem should fix itself. There's 339 suburbs in Perth (Australia) of which probably about 1/3 are currently affected and another heap will be when the conversion bot goes through. Orderinchaos78 02:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Discussion request

Since you expressed an opinion on Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Discuss and Vote, I would appreciate it if you could comment on WP:DDV, in particular as to whether it accurately represents the way Misplaced Pages works (and feel free to reword it if it doesn't) and as to whether it is correct that we generally discourage (but not forbid) voting. Thanks. (Radiant) 08:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

• Please do add your examples :) Page moves tend to boil down to the naming conventions, or to writing a new one if none apply; it shouldn't be necessary to vote about whether a particular instance meets the convention. Regarding your AFD suggestion, I think this is better done by cleaning up the (overly verbose) AFD page header. Sticking a note at the top of every single nomination is something the regulars will likely find annoying. What would also help is to create a template to say "you just referred to AFD as vote counting but it really isn't per so-and-so", to stick on people's talk pages. (Radiant) 12:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Formatting of new multilingual support templates

Why did you stick <big> on all of the multilingual support templates you created recently? It doesn't match the majority of the extant templates in that category. Mike Dillon 03:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Because I cut-n-pasted the format from one of the minority which did have the tags apparently. Ho hum. I'll fix them. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool. I actually noticed after I made this note that it was only a few of the later ones that had <big>, not all of them, so hopefully it isn't much work to change them. Mike Dillon 14:48, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation page locations

About Emperor Alexander and a few others. As per Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions, disambiguation pages don't need the "(disambiguation)" in their title, so there is no need to move them. Thanks for your work in disambiguation :-)--Commander Keane 05:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Jogaila

Hi,

Thanks for your skillful copyediting of Jogaila. You even cleaned up an eyesore of a rush-job copyedit that I did. It had been bothering me for days, and I had been meaning to go back and improve it — but lo and behold, you had saved the day.

I do have a bone to pick with you, however.

I must dispute your removal of the reference to one of the truly significant battles in world history:

...the Principality of Moscow which managed to defeat the Golden Horse

I don't care about any stinking Golden Horde; it just sounds way cooler to fight a Golden Horse. ;-)

--Ling.Nut 12:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Cork → Cork (city) cleanup

Thanks, good offer! It'll be an hour or two though. --Spellmaster 19:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks again. --Spellmaster 19:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I did what I could. You could maybe see if there are stragglers, and/or pick up any mistakes I made. Thanks again --Guinnog 04:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC) (operator of Spellmaster)

Thanks, yet again, for your support on this issue. It is awfully reassuring that there are people looking over my shoulder who think what I did was a good thing. It was a lot of work, though I got to edit some interesting articles I wouldn't have seen otherwise. Do you know about Tanora, for example?! I also got to contemplate (at length) when choosing the link for ones that seemed ambiguous, the fact that Cork both is and isn't inside County Cork. Shades of Flann O'Brien!

I weakly disagree with you on the point you make about what Cork City should redirect to; perhaps ideally it should be to another dab page?! But I feel disinclined to argue the point, for now at least... Take care, --Guinnog 17:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

re talk

There is difference between holocaust denial and revisionism. Your notions are a POV reading of the Guardian article. I'll revert your changes. Please discuss these things beforehand next time. Intangible 21:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your point of reverting the Roeland Raes article is? You are making a positive claim. You should defend that first, before it can be included in that article, and a POV reading of a Guardian article is not a good defense. Intangible 21:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide some more context in the article? Asserting that someone is anti-semitic without explanation does not make for a good article. I'll change the first sentence too, because I'm not sure if Raes would agree with such a labeling. Intangible 15:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm was not suggesting that, but article of living people need to adhere to WP:BLP. "Biographies of living people should be written responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone." Intangible 15:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Invalid move request

Excuse me, but how is it an invalid move request? The move itself was invalid, flying in the face of the earlier failed move request, and lack of consensus.

Misplaced Pages may not be a democracy, but it is not a dictatorship.

zoney ♣ talk 22:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Links

I didn't intentional mean to take them off because someone took off the rest and left only one so i put back the rest wasn't sure if that was there before though. Nareklm 01:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Disrupting

Thanks for the info, Angus, but can you explain to me why my behaviour is considered "disrupting Misplaced Pages by creating dubious AfD nominations" when brianyoumans did the SAME for my entries Die Mannequin and Care Failure, i.e. he submitted those articles for deletion ONLY because I criticized the fact that he destroyed the other people's work by having hundreds of pages deleted (including a few that I had created) and that he seems proud of it. He was angry at my comment so he decided to submit the last two pages I had created for deletion! Why isn't he accused of "disrupting Misplaced Pages by creating dubious AfD nominations"? Why can't I do the same for his pages if he takes vengeance that way by trying to destroy the pages I create? To tell you the truth, I don't have time to lose destroying other peoples' work but I don't know what else I can do to stop people like Brianyoumans to destroy my work. Is there a place where I can complain about this guy and what he does without "disrupting Misplaced Pages"  ? Please help me! Terveetkadet

Thanks!

Thanks for the help! To tell you the truth, a few months ago, brianyoumans had about 4 or 5 pages that I had created, among them Days of Yore, Martin Giguere and Deimos, deleted. I was angry but did nothing. A few days ago, I saw it again and that's when I decided to check his user page and saw that he seems to take pride in having deleted hundreds of pages while he only created 7, as shown on his user page. That's when I decided to leave him a message to tell him what I think of what he does. And when he saw my message, he was angry and retaliated by submitting the last two pages I had created, i.e. Die Mannequin and Care Failure, for deletion! If he would drop his requests to delete those two pages, I'd gladly remove my requests too and stop fighting with him. I mind my own business on Misplaced Pages and don't destroy other people's work. I would appreciate if he did the same and I have a problem with people who take pride in deleting hundreds of page. Hope you understand my point! Terveetkadet

Eline Vlasblom

Interesting observation. I'll check out the links and relationships, to see if I can come up with any more stuff, and bundle a few nominations as appropriate. Ohconfucius 15:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ballygarvan

my user name is bouse23 im new to wikipedia i recently wrote an article on my home village of ballygarvan in co cork in ireland for some reaseon you removed it i told the truth on everything do you think you know ballygarvan better than i do you dont is there any piece of information that isnt correct no there isnt please leave my stuff alone do i fuck around with your stuff

Jagiello/... latin?

Isn't the Latin form of Jog/Wla's name "Jagello"? Where have you got "Jagailo"? Could you give its supposed etymology in/to Latin? And again, isn't it "Jagello", as I have read years and years ago, and which it seems to be in Italian here, at least. Shilkanni 02:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

(your answer was: from the styles given in the examples in Jogaila#As_monarch_of_Lithuania_before_religious_conversion)

Ah, the excerpts are victims of fluctuating writing in those decades. That source seems to have only one Latin excerpt of Jagello's letters, although there must have been plenty of them in various archives. I would not be surprised if monks have written the name in a different way in each different pergament, and sometimes in two different ways in one and same pergament.
However, are you refuting that the established Latin version of the name was "Jagello", which apparently became standard in Latin in the following couple of centuries, and has left its formulation actually in several Roman languahes (now that I went through several of them): French, Spanish, Italian, Romanian; as well as neighboring Czech and Hungarian, apparently. All those write it today "Jagell...", without -i-; and totally consistent with each other, which makes me think that it was the established Latin version before any of those other languages standardized their writing (as such "foreign" name has easiest come to each of those's writing through how late medieval Latin documents wrote it).
It will not be feasible to float around several Latin versions here, so what is your position now as to what is the Latin one, when you know the above and (hopefully) make your own survey over other languages and Latin sources that can be found. ? Shilkanni 10:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The authentic name in his lifetime very likely was pronounced in one way, not several; and there likely was not different versions of it for different languages; but scribes wrote it (its middle vowel) in slightly different ways, probably according to how the particular scribe had heard it. A proposition that the middle vowel(s) would have authentically been -ie- seems unlikely, because none of the excerpts show it or even anything close. The vowel appears to have been something that was easily heard or understood either -e- or -a- (could it have been -ä-?). Regarding "your" Jagailo, I am not much doubting that actually also it may have also existed in some original letter - we just seem not to have that letter's text here in our sources. And what is -ai- : it is actually something rather close with -e-, isn't it? Shilkanni 10:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

John Tyndall - anti-semitism

I have been searching for a reference (I know I read it when researching the history of the National Front) that says that Tyndall's main target was Jews, but in the climate of the 50s and 60s, so soon after the war, there was no way he could lead a political grouping openly espousing this. That's why he is "better known as a racist xenophobe". Like all of the neo-Nazi groups of the time, he latched onto race as an "easier" target, and wanted if he got to power to actually take on Jews. I'm afraid I can't track down the exact reference. However, regarding your pruning of the Category:Anti-Semitic people, that is a worthwhile task if it removes people who are only there because, for example, they are opposed to Israel's policies to the Palestinians or are anti-Zionists. Tyndall, however, was definitely anti-semitic. He was a leading member of the National Socialist Movement (slogan: Hitler was right). The first chairman of the NF resigned because he complained he had had enough "after four years of stamping out nonsense such as plots to set fir to synagogues". Tyndall's magazine Spearhead, kept the anti-semitism in the background so as not to appear openly fascist, but odd snippets slipped through (eg on the 1968 Czech resistance: "The razor sharp Hebrews who led the Czech revolt" and blaming the Middle East crisis on Henry Kissinger, not because he is American, but because he is a Jew). Finally, I would cite The Lie of the Six Million, published by Tyndall's associate and fellow NF activist, Robin Beauclair.

So I would most definitely categorise Tyndall as anti-semitic as well as neo-Nazi, fascist etc.

European Germanic...

I only added that Finland should be listed as one of the Scandinavian Germanic speaking nations/regions, Swedish is an official language in Finland and about 6 % in Finland have Swedish as their mother tongue.

Replied here, apologising for my mistake. The edit made perfect sense in hindsight. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

TV9

Yes, TV9 is a good stub now. Thanks for expanding it.--Grand Slam 7 23:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from me as well

I thought that was a very good set of comments that you left on Terveetkadet's talk page. I went there to consider leaving him a comment, but I really couldn't have said it any better, and I'm glad you did it and not me.

I suppose it is a little strange to keep a list of deletions... On the other hand, it allows me to see immediately when one of them is recreated, which has happened at least once. And some of them I do feel proud to have gotten rid of. Others, like Terveetkadet's pages... It is kind of hard on someone to be told, "You think this is important, but we don't." But, having done editing semi-professionally for some years, I suppose I have a real belief that you need to tell people what is good and what is bad (or in this case, what is notable and what not) or otherwise they never learn and improve. And that is really doing them a dis-service. --Brianyoumans 06:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Television Schedules

Just thought you might want to be aware of the discussion already present here. Mister.Manticore 17:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Jack Spicer

I noticed your edit. My thought on the subject was that the duplicate page be deleted so that Jack Spicer (poet) could be returned there. Almost all of the links to Jack Spicer are for the poet. Did I go about this the wrong way? Jay32183 00:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and info

Hi Angus! Thanks for the help on Die Mannequin. user:brianyoumans finally decided to remove his nomination for Afd, which is good news, and when I saw it, I removed my nomination for Adamu Tesfaw cause that was the reason why I made it in the first place, to protest against him destroying my work. Now I'm happy and don't want anything to do with that crazy guy anymore. I was wondering if you could help me, though. I saw that you closed the Adamu Tesfaw debate when you saw that I removed my nomination. Can you do the same for Die Mannequin since brianyoumans also removed his nomination? And thanks again... You have been the person with the most common sense who commented on the die mannequin debate. Others like brianyoumans, demiurge (this one decided it was a good idea to destroy another of my articles today) or chubbles (even if he was on my side, somehow!) are so stuck up that's unbelievable! Ça doit être parce que tu parles français que tu es si sympa! Terveetkadet

Confey / Ceann-fuait

Hi there. I created the page for Battle of Confey, and I found a couple refs saying that Confey and Ceann-fuait were the same place, which makes sense, as they are similar words. Do you think you could give the page a look and see what you think? Thanks --AW 18:23, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks and a thistle

I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your confidence in me, and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Slainte mhath! -- nae'blis 22:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Oh, the humanity! I had my doubts about a second RfA, but even I couldn't have predicted the way it caught fire and inexorably drifted to the ground in flames, causing quite a stir on its way down. Still, it was encouraging to see the level of support and confidence. Thank you for yours, and I hope I'll still have it the next time around. Kafziel 13:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

RE:Jocelin

I am well. How are you these days? Thank you for your comments on Jocelin. BTW, you have a few of those good articles only within a few edits of FAs. Anyways, have you thought about nominating yourself as an admin? I ask because our articles need one, and I probably have too many enemies to put myself forward. But our articles do need an admin nevertheless, and you are the only person who could do it. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 04:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think you should consider it. It's really no big deal after the nomination, esp. for a user with your good character. All it means is you can do a few extra things. Like I said, I believe that the growing section of articles we happen to work on a lot need a user with admin abilities. To mention nothing else, there are the Pictish and Strathclyde kings you believe should be renamed. Anyways, yes. Malcolm III is one of the articles you should prolly consider being your next FA. And yes, I too have a bunch of articles (esp. the ones I did when I first started wiki) that badly need revisiting; I'm thinking here of the mormaer and Galloway articles. SitHMA also needs reworked on some minor points of content and on citations, though it's already an FA. I nominated Jocelin for FA btw; had to so it now because I'm going away on December 12, and thus after that point won't be able to address any issues that may or may not be brought up. Take care. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 06:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

BTW, if you haven't done so already, I suggest you go to Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests to get a slot for Óengus I of the Picts appearance on the main page. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 06:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Breakfast at Tiffany's (play)

Hello, Angus! Thanks for your message. The article I created, Breakfast at Tiffany's (musical), already included all the data in the "play" article. I believe I correctly have redirected the original article, but you may want to double-check to be sure I did it properly. Many thanks! SFTVLGUY2 17:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Puzzle (album)

If you are keeping an eye on it and are actually using your watchlist I'm happy enough without protection. Did you by any chance try to alter the text in the box? The title should be any problem because all you have to do is hit the button, the title will go in the the subject line of the regular edit page that follows. - Mgm| 18:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Hoax articles

Misplaced Pages:Hoaxes says hoax articles cannot be speedily deleted. However, I will not remove your speedy tag. shotwell 20:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

panchakshari

Invasion of hyderabad shouldnt be marked as freedom fighter (India liberated Hyderabad after independence). I dont actually recall adding that part to the article either. I will remove it though.Bakaman 23:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I dont live in India and I dont follow cricket. Double whammy. I'll google him up and see what happens.Bakaman 00:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Curse of the Black Sox AFD

Might not have used the right tag, there was only one editor and the forward led to the 1919 World Series. It's really just doesn't deserve it's own article. It's related to the Black Sox Scandal. // Tecmobowl 01:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Scotland

Hey Angus, if you have time, check out the history and etymology sections of Scotland. Yeah, it's funny, but they had it as "A-Class". Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 08:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• It certainly doesn't need statements like "the word Scotia was used by the Romans as the name of one of the tribes in what is now Scotland as early as the 1st Century". BTW, just to let you know, the Woolf Fortriu article was published in the SHR a few weeks ago, though MUSE hasn't got it online yet. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 14:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Lauro Nova

Yup, it was a redirect or delete. IMO the search term was not likely without knowing the modern name in this case so the redirect wasn't needed. Nuttah68 18:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

My bad, had Lauro/Laura in my thoughts and used the wrong db tag. Nuttah68 18:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Joan of Arc

Thank you for your efforts at Joan of Arc. This IP fellow keeps trying to insert discredited information. I'm hoping you'll help revert this material. Voln 21:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Campion United

No problem with it being deleted if the criteria are that a team should be at level 11 or above. I only added it as it was a red link on a page about the structure of the lower leagues and I know the team. Xobxela 10:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Clement of Dunblane

Hey Angus. Me again. Can you do me band wikipedia a big favour and give Clement of Dunblane a copyedit. I'm personally happy with it, but as it's up for FA, it has to satisfiy a broad range of editorally tastes. I ask you because you are an experienced FA writer and are one of the few people who might be interested in reading about a medieval Scottish bishopric. Best regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 13:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a lot. It shouldn't need that much work now, but we'll have to see what Tony thinks. Anyways, have a good night. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

: Thank you very much for your copyediting. That means like 4 people have went over it, as well as myself. Now I'll just have to wait for Tony1 to tell us what he thinks; he's a pretty astute critic, and since so few are voting, it may be critical. Anyways, all the best. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I must confess I'm not that clear what you mean by ¶. :) I will presently do a short article on Ewen MacDougall (he can be renamed later pending more systematic coverage of these rulers on wiki) and await your reply. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 20:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried to implement your suggestions. I hope I succeeded. Please lemme know. Thank you for your help. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Additionally ... I think Wedale is covered by Stow; at some future date, an article can perhaps be written on the episcopal manor there; but unfortunately I don't have the info available atm to write that. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank User:Jaspe; if you think that's weird, check out ru:Список правителей королевства Островов; he's done practically every western ruler not covered by English wiki. BTW, are you satisfied with the Clement article now? Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 23:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool. Tony is happier now. He changed his vote, but I don't think tbh he's completely satisfied. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 09:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Mandats territoriaux

Yeh i think it is a good idea to merge the two topics as they are quite similar.

RBS

I don't think it is a good idea to create 2 articles- which would basically duplicate another, especially just so we can insert some words in a language spoken by less than 0.1% of the population. Calgus is bascially removig sourced material so he can have his Gaelic in at the top, which I consider to be vandalism. Astrotrain 21:26, 5 December 2006

• That's an incorrect and rather disingenuous summary of the situation, and I refer you to the talk page. Frankly, I'm not that fussed whether or not the Gaelic is there, but I'm not prepared to see the triumph of legal fictions over reality, nor to allow you to grind your anti-Gaelic axe against the will of the wiki community just because they have less will and persistence than yourself. Regards, Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 22:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• His version says "The Royal Bank of Scotland (Scottish Gaelic: Banca Rìoghail na h-Alba) is an Edinburgh-based company founded in 1727. The organisation has grown into the banking and insurance holding company known as The Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc (RBS Group)." This is not true as the Royal Bank of Scotland PLC still exists as a fully owned subsidiary of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC. It is factually incorrect to state this. My version restored the truth, and Calgus is only reverting so he can keep his Gaelic in the first line, rather than the second para which was suggested by someone else. Astrotrain 21:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

• • I would put the RBSG first, as this is the company quoted on the LSE, the lead in the infobox and logo, and the ultimate holding company, so a slight amendment to:

The Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (LSE: RBS) is a banking and insurance holding company based in Edinburgh, Scotland. It can trace its origins to 1727 when the Royal Bank of Scotland Template:Lang-gd was founded by royal charter of King George I. Today the it is the largest banking and insurance group in Scotland, the second largest in the UK and Europe, and the fifth largest in the world by market capitalisation. Its shares have a primary listing on the London Stock Exchange.

The Royal Bank of Scotland PLC is the group's Scottish clearing bank and the second oldest bank in Scotland after the Bank of Scotland. The registered head office of the group and the clearing bank is located at St Andrew Square. In 2005, Queen Elizabeth II opened the bank's new head office building in Gogarburn, Edinburgh.

This seems more logical, as the Group traces its origins back to the Bank, and flows slightly better. What do you think? Astrotrain 22:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

User page rv

thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page :) SMC 12:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Your input is requested

Your input would be appreciated at this Request for Comments. Kelly Martin (talk) 15:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Impertient Question

I've been reading up on some articles you've been working on (Dál Riata is beautiful), and then running across your comments on deletions and on AIV and AN. You have 15,000+ edits. I'm wondering if you wouldn't want to be an admin? Would you accept a nomination? --Elaragirl 21:27, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

See! Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 21:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)