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Transformer image

Hmm, interesting. Okay, I'm convinced. I'll withdraw that RFU. —Chowbok ☠ 23:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion Review

Playboy Online/Playboy Cyber Club on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Playboy Online/Playboy Cyber Club. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. go here Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review#Playboy_Online.2FPlayboy_Cyber_Club TonyTheTiger 00:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC).

Deletion of templates

Please do not delete templates. If you disagree with the disputed fair use template, you are supposed to follow a process by adding your own template and then discussing on the talk page. Deletion of templates is considered vandalism. The fact that this image is an album cover does NOT automatically make it okay for fair use. It is a copyrighted image. TheQuandry 01:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

New S/N (from archive 19)

I was starting to wonder what had happened to you. -- SmthManly / / 01:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I just recovered my password, after disabling the spam filter with the help of a friend, I hit an autoblock of the Jaranda account though. Jaranda 02:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

that's good, i just noticed you suddenly dissapeared off my watchlist yesterday, so i came by to see why... perfect timing, i guess. I had noticed moneyballing around, but just thought it was some new user... Glad to know you're still around though, so i guess u have ur admin powers back, or no? -- SmthManly / / 02:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I rather retry in rfa but I need the tools for delete copyvios so this is my confirmation. Jaranda 03:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, when you go for it again let me know, especially if you want someone to nominate you. -- SmthManly / / 04:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

+sysop

Right, I've done this. Regards — Dan | talk 04:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Lil Wayne

Thank alot with your help deleting unsourced info and trash from vandals on Lil Wayne's page. It's gotten really bad and I received the partial protection after my request. I am keeping up with the vandals almost by myself some of the time and I really appreciate your help!! ~Cnota 10:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

This is odd...

You might want to check out this user page. --Ginkgo100 20:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

And it's now deleted. Thanks Jaranda 20:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

My RfA passed with a tally of 71/1/0. Thank you very much for your support. I hope that my performance as an admin will not disappoint you. Please let me know if you see me doing anything inappropriate. -- Donald Albury 02:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Shiny new buttons

Two weeks ago I couldn't even spell administratur and now I are one (in no small part thanks to your support). Now that I checked out those new buttons I realize that I can unleash mutant monsters on unsuspecting articles or summon batteries of laser guns in their defense. The move button has now acquired special powers, and there's even a feature to roll back time. With such awesome new powers at my fingertips I will try to tread lightly to avoid causing irreversible damage and getting into any wheel wars. Thanks again and let me know whenever I can be of use. ~ trialsanderrors 06:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The Luke Adamson Article

Why pray did you feel it necessary to delete the above article from Misplaced Pages. And why do you have the right to delete other peoples articles?

See WP:CSD#A7, Misplaced Pages:Vanity and WP:V for some of wikipedia policies concerning your article. And admins can delete articles if it doesn't meet the crteria. If you have a problem, take it to WP:DRV Jaranda 20:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but i dont see how this page was breaking any of the rules or laws laid down by Misplaced Pages for sensible use. It says it may not be used for advertising yes, This, however, was not an advert, it was simply a biography, there are plenty of other professional actors with biographies or autobiographies on Misplaced Pages why was this one deleted? What damage was it doing?

Well most of those actors are more notable, appear in movies, and has a IMDB page, as there is an IMDB listing in your name with only one minor entry, which doesn't come close to meeting WP:BIO. Thanks Jaranda 22:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

So stage performances don't qualify you as being an actor? To be an actor you have to have appeared in films and have an IMDB page? Well if that is the view of Misplaced Pages then I think I'm better off without and article on this site. Regards

Deletion of article Ntropy

I am the author of the Ntropy article which if I understand correctly was deleted by you (after I think a proposal period) on 5 September. This is my first Misplaced Pages article, so I apologize in advance for any lack of understanding on my part.

I understand that there is a policy against "blatant advertising" of a product. However, I do not understand the difference between my page and, say, Charm++ or NAMD. These, like Ntropy, are applications/frameworks/compilers developed by original scientific research using government or other non-profit funding (in other words, there is no benefit to "advertising" them). The existence of these pages prompted me to make a similar one for Ntropy. I am not trying to argue one way or the other for my article, but I am trying to understand why there is a difference between Ntropy and Charm++, NAMD, CHARMM, and other comparable tools for computational science that do have Misplaced Pages articles. Thanks very much,

Mofongo 17:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I restored it Jaranda 22:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Baseball Players Templates

I noticed you contribute to a number of pages regarding Baseball players. I have started a discussion that i thought you might want to comment on here // Tecmobowl 00:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Repost: Selena's mom - what's up with that?

(I had posted this right around the time you quit temporarily - welcome back! - so I thought I'd fish it out of Archive 19 and re-post it in case you had any reply. Lawikitejana 05:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

It's getting truly irritating to keep finding people who don't know what they're talking about have come back and fiddled with the article to edit the Quintanillas' nationalities. I found a reliable source to back up that her father is Mexican-American and born in Corpus, but I can't find anything to say where her mother was born. Within the last 48 hours, someone came out of nowhere and posted that she's Panamanian. Huh?!? After all, surely if she were, that would have come up by now ... and they had her maiden name wrong, too. I added in the source for the father and added a source for her mother's maiden name (Texas birth record summaries available online), but if someone could provide a reliable source to confirm her mother's birthplace, it should go a long way toward getting people to stop the uninformed edits on this particular point. Thought I'd mention it in case you have any source that mentions where Marcella Quintanilla was born. Best wishes, Lawikitejana 16:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm I can't find any source where her mom is from, so just revert using the WP:CITE method. Thanks Jaranda 22:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Chicken and Rice

What tally did you come up with when you decided to delete Chicken and Rice? There was a fairly sizable number of keep votes, myself included. Everyking 06:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Note also that the closely related AfD on Hallo Berlin resulted (correctly) in a closure as no consensus. It doesn't make much sense that these two articles got two different outcomes. Everyking 06:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually I was just about to mention this thanks, EveryKing. I was going to put up the article for deletion review but am unsure if there is a minimum wait period. It seems there is an inconsistence between the initial article for deletion and the revised version. Valoem 16:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Chicken and Rice on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Chicken and Rice. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Valoem 16:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

I've been meaning to say this in the last few days — I'm really pleased that you've come back and that you got your proper name and your sysop state back. Hope everything works out well. Cheers. AnnH ♫ 17:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Stadium Logos

Which ones are you referring to and I will try to find ones that are considered free use. This was sort of like a self-endeavour to help show something a little different about all the stadiums and arenas out there and i can stop if people are finding them annoying or whatnot. Please let me know of this

Ah i see now. Just figured that it helps identify the individual stadium by showing it's own unique logo...like with the teams and their logos and uniforms, etc. -Pharos04

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of championships and accomplishments won by Ric Flair

I need the content from this article that was deleted so I can readd it to the main article: Ric Flair. This information is encyclopedic, but doesn't need it's own article. It would be most helpful if you could provide this for me. semper fi — Moe 01:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Placed it in User:Jaranda/Flair Thanks Jaranda 02:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Protection of Midnight Syndicate article

Just thought you should know that an investigation Misplaced Pages:Suspected_sock_puppets/Skinny_McGee has been requested into SkinnyMcGee as well as a dozen or more IPs, all of which point to Chardon, Ohio (home town of the subject of article). This is a page you recently protected from edit wars. I am just keeping every editor listed in history aware of the situation. Peacekpr 11:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Munich

Hello,

You are invited to join WikiProject Munich!

There are a lot of things to do in this project. From creating new articles to finetuning articles into featured article status.

How can you help?

• You can join a Task Force.
• You can help comform Munich-related articles to Misplaced Pages Policy.
• You can get free Munich-related images under GNU Free Documentation License.
• You can create and edit of Munich-related articles.
• You can do translations from German Misplaced Pages to English Misplaced Pages on Munich-related articles.
• You can help do assessments of Munich-related articles.
• You can help expand articles currently in the Stub-class and Start-class.
• You can help reference articles.
• Since original research is against Misplaced Pages policy, you can research topics to expand. This means you don't need to know anything about Munich.
• You can help expand stubs and start-class articles and help finetune other articles into Featured article status.

A WikiProject of this nature is very broad. Munich has a rich history in sports, culture, politics along with many more topics. Feel free to help out in your area of interest.

If you want to check the project out you can click the link above. If you want to join the project, you can sign up here.

If you have any questions feel free to contact myself or any other member of the project.

Kingjeff 02:04, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Princess Daisy

• Why Princess Daisy is semi-protected? 151.197.228.21

I Just Created a new Princess Daisy

• This is the new created of Princess Daisy e and it's has the same stuff in it. 151.197.228.21

Ugly Penguins

I notice that you enjoy ugly penguins, so I offer you this for your user page. File:Dancingpenguin.gif ;-) --BostonMA 01:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Naked Rabbit Studios

Hey just curious if you could give me some information about how I should go about putting up information about a group of people who are running ARGs and not advertising... since apparently the last topic was considered spam

I didn't delete it because of spam, I deleted it because of notabilty concerns, see WP:N. Thanks Jaranda 20:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Dennis Raphael

Saw you removed the CSD tag - any objection to a prod or AfD? It's a blatant vanity article, and while notability may be there, it's not established at all by any sources (unless I missed something). Thanks! | Mr. Darcy talk 20:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Stara.jpg

FYI: I restored it b/c it's {{PD-art}}. Thanks - crz crztalk 20:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Could I be a Watchman?

Could I patrol vandalism of kid show articles?

Thanks for the welcome, Jaranda!

Hey, Jaranda!

My wikipedia destiny is to be someone just like you, NishKid 64, or can't sleep, clownwill eat me!

                                                                            Hi, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurtmcgee2448 (talk • contribs) 
                                                              p.s. 100 thanks for the welcome!

Skyscraper speedies

Hi there. Calton (talk • contribs • count) nominated quite a number of stubs on unfinished skyscrapers for speedy deletion, and you deleted at least one of them. They were subsequently recreated by Zonk43 (talk • contribs • count), and then re-tagged. At this point they came to my attention, and I decided not to delete them and to remove the tags instead. It is my view that the CSD are being used here as part of a content dispute over whether the buildings are sufficiently notable (or perhaps it's really just whether the stubs are long enough!), and that it is best to let their potential deletion be handled through a process with more community input, like AfD. Any thoughts? -- SCZenz 01:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I mostly removed them, I deleted the ones that said going to be built in 2009, 2010, as crystal ball. I agree with AFD. Jaranda 18:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Your speedy delete of the article Gin-Sung

You deleted the article Gin-Sung because you said that it was unsourced and possibly a hoax. The article was sourced and was not a hoax so there was no reason for it to be deleted. Please overturn it. Zalgt 01:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

It's been undeleted and is now on AfD Zalgt 22:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

User.71.75.217.133

You commented on this user at the 3RR page and warned him to stop making POV reverts to the article Unterseeboot 552. Since your comments were made, he has twice reverted the page back and still has not replied to any of the numerous comments left for him. Please can you look into taking some action against this user. Thankyou for your mediation in this incident.--Jackyd101 03:12, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to bother you again, but this user has simply reverted to his old tricks as soon as his 24 hour ban was over. What futher action is possible?--Jackyd101 14:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Template:Noob

Sorry, I messed up - I meant to be deleting the silly thing, and instead I ended up restoring it? Noticed it only now. Thanks for correcting my mistake. Noob admin - Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hero of Belarus

Since you are one of the people who asked for this article to be removed from FA status, the page is now up for peer review. Please leave any comments that you might think will improve the article. Thank you for your consideration. User:Zscout370 00:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion request on Spanish WP

Hi Jaranda. I've nominated the unencyclopedic user page of User:Bestlyriccollection for deletion, but he copied his stuff over to Spanish Misplaced Pages (and other wikis) as well. Can you help me make a request for either speedy deletion or regular deletion there? Thanks in advance! Kimchi.sg 08:08, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Oh, the humanity! I had my doubts about a second RfA, but even I couldn't have predicted the way it caught fire and inexorably drifted to the ground in flames, causing quite a stir on its way down. Still, it was encouraging to see the level of support and confidence. Thank you for yours, and I hope I'll still have it the next time around. Kafziel 13:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Wrong version: Request for rv and protection

You protected the page Midnight Syndicate for edit waring. I was involved but had been working on the page for a long time. I cited every single one of my contributions. The user who I was waring with arrived afterwards and added nothing but a few links to outside websites and altered context (deceptive editing) to change the meaning, dates, and credits of the subjects. I tried to include what verifiable data I could from the other user (mostly press releases or links to myspace, ect). They constantly removed my citations and references as well. Their ONLY complaint is that it promotes a well known past member/producer of the band, but I believe that ALL the band members are represented fairly and without undue weight. The way the article reads now as it is currently protected throws undue weight upon only one person, incorrectly credits him with credits belonging to the producer, lists the wrong label for two albums, and lists the band's city as "Cleveland" when it should be "Chardon" and is highly self-promotional. I would like to request that you revert to this version . protect per The Wrong Version guidelines. It is the last one I edited. Thank you. GuardianZ 08:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

User:GuardianZ used his sockpuppet User:Oroboros_1 to tagteam in the Midnight Syndicate article to avoid 3RR violations. User:GuardianZ's only citations comes from articles published by Midnight Syndicate's main rivals Nox Arcana. The current version of the Midnight Syndicate article properly credits Joseph Vargo. Dionyseus 09:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Skinny_McGee who was also in the edit war, and who's version is protected is a proven sockpuppet of one user and has two more sleepers in reserve (all proven), and he did not contribute to anything but self-promotion ( I still believe him to be a band member posting his own bio, now moreso than ever). I have also made several requests for a recheck on my own IP and one came back inconclusive. I am not Oroboros_1 as he has logged in as a different IP even before I was blocked, then again afterwards, and is blocked still, as far as what Dionyseus has said. Further, Dionyseus has been trying to disrupt every post that I make, has not contributed a single line of text to the article and has doggedly reverted every single thing I wrote and cited, whereas Skinny McGee has cited nothing and written nothing except promotional links to fan sites and his business partners' sites and promotions. Irregardless of who is a sock, the fact remains that the current version is wrong, and Dionyseus and Skinny McGee don't want to admit it because it credits a former member of the band that they both hate, so they try to skirt the issue with other nonsense. I made numerous attempts to compromise with both of them, and they just kept removing everything I wrote and cited. I have just recently made yet another attempt to write a more valid paragraph on the talk page and Skinny McGee did not offer anything in his response. GuardianZ 15:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

False, the "inconclusive" was the check into whether you and User:Peacekpr are the same person. Dionyseus 15:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Just wanted to throw in that I'm working on my response off-line right now. I'm not logged on 24 hours a day, you know, and these things take time (especially when I am constantly forced to stop what I'm working on and defend myself). - Skinny McGee 17:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't cite your own self-promotion, so you try to gang up on me because I found sources to cite for my editing and you have zero to back up your self-serving propaganda. You are Edward Douglas, and your sockpuppet is your wife Colleen Douglas User:Defender99. It is so obvious it's sad. And Dionyseus, you must be a game store employee or someone who knows Edward personally to be hounding after me like this. You both will be found out to be meatpuppets of each other. And Dionyseus, you are on report for harassing me on my user page. Again, no matter what happens in between, the article is wrong and my cites prove it. So, Jaranda, I implore you to read my version and look at my citations and then look at what Skinny is posting, all his band promo, and make the call. I have tried to compromise and they will not even discuss the idea of meeting halfway. And Dionyseus was not even editing the article, he was just reverting all of my writing to save Skinny from 3RRs. GuardianZ 23:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Your citations from Midnight Syndicate's main rival Nox Arcana prove nothing and cannot be used in Misplaced Pages. As for me, I don't know Edward Douglas and have never met him nor any band member for any bands for that matter (nor would I want to meet any band), and I'm not a game store employee either, I'm simply a Wikipedian with an interest in a wide variety of subjects. Dionyseus 00:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

For one, Vargo proves his statements undeniably with legal copyright forms, printed matter, published news articles, letters from store owners, letters from people who were present during his work with the band, a long radio interview (with Edward, Gavin, and Vargo present). Secondly, the only citation from that list I used was the radio interview and a few interviews from 1999 and 2000 that are located on the internet. Because the interviews feature all 3 members and not just Edward trying to twist things nowadays, they are much more verifiable than any of the so-called interviews that Skinny posts as part of his propaganda. I used other interviews from MS's own band site too, ones they link to, and press articles that Skinny posted. There is nothing you or Skinny show that prove verifiable. Every single item is disputed by earlier material. You know very well that User:Skinny_McGee is Edward Douglas User:Midsyndicate and that he and his wife User:Defender99 and his promoter User:Lizstjames and others are just trying to change history because Edward cannot share the credit for all the work Vargo did. It's obvious that Edward has been editing his own wiki page for a very long time, and as he has done in the past with Press interviews, he is using it as a tool of propaganda. Every item I posted is true and is not harmful to the current members. What IS harmful is denying what took place in the past, and that they bring upon themselves. They just don't like it because while they are out there telling people lies and promoting a false history, claiming credit for Vargo's work, I am here trying to write an accurate history. You and Skinny have always complained of the article promting Vargo, but when you and Skinny change the text to promote Edward, it is untrue! I have written nothing that is blown out of proportion. I cite only credits and the work done and what happened with the albums and how they became successful. You and Skinny are just mad because you cannot cite any propaganda becasue it's untrue and can't be depended upon due to ALL of it being in Edward's own words (ie: a re-publication of the band's own press releases, and that is NOT verifiable). A lot of people are discovering the truth. What about the Amazon forum for Out of the Darkness?... There's a lot of people there complaining that their reviews are being edited or removed just so that MS can have 5-star reviews. I didn't put that into the article but it does show that this band is actively trying to change what is publicized. I am not the only one to notice. I just happen to be one of a few to care enough to try to clean up the hoax. If Edward were smart, he would just admit the Vargo did and all of this would die down, but as he keeps on and on by trying to change facts he's just digging himself in deeper. As for Nox Arcana, I never mentioned them in the article. I only mentioned Vargo as he applies to the past, as the band's producer and performer for two VERY formative and successful years. GuardianZ 14:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Jaranda, If you read the last part of the Talk:Midnight_Syndicate page, you'll see that we are close to an agreement. Can you please reply as to fixing the protected article, or allowing an edit-protected. Skinny McGee and I have made certain compromises, and it's as close to correct as it will get. Thank you. GuardianZ 06:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Jaranda. I must disagree with GuardianZ. While we have made some progress, based on her last response on the Midnight Syndicate talk page I do not believe we are close to an agreement. - Skinny McGee 15:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with User:Skinny McGee's assessment of the situation. I'm not liking User:GuardianZ's tone, just now he/she told me that "I have no room to talk" : . As for the deceptive "concensus" User:GuardianZ mentions here in your talkpage, it consists of User:GuardianZ stating a "final reply" which basically says that User:GuardianZ is sticking to his/her version. Dionyseus 16:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

So far, Skinny McGee has been unable to cite his edits with anything verifiable. I had thought we were close to an agreement, but he seemed to take a step back in re-wording a re-arranging credit once again. I have re-cited earlier references when asked by Skinny, yet instead of acknowledging anything, he and Dionyseus continue to complain and go on the attack. Dionyseus has done no research, no editing, and has zero citations. All he and Skinny have done is to revert and put down all the material. Dionyseus (speaking on behalf of ALL of Misplaced Pages) told me to "watch my attitude" after having been reprimanded for harassing me. If you will read my edits and the cites, you'll see that my version is fairly weighted, neutral, and above all, correct. Skinny and Dionyseus are trying to push a false version. They have as yet not cited a single thing with any verifiable facts. Policy states that if an incorrect version is not reverted to I may seek another admin for help if you are unwilling to answer this request. GuardianZ 23:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The page is protected so I can't protected it, yes WP:CITE is a valid agruement, I want nothing involved as i rarely have time now, take it to medication or another admin if possible. Sorry Jaranda 00:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi I need your help with dealing with the unknown user 68.98.10.157, because he or she continues to edit and post false information in the Sadr City bombings article. Thanks, Little Spike.

My ArbCom nomination

Why in the world did you remove my name from the ArbCom page?! Someone should have placed a warning on the page itself! I did all that work for nothing then! --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 16:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC) (VERY angry)

It is up to YOU to read the criteria for running. – Chacor 16:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Travel site

Jaranda, why did you delete the Viator Travel page? I am wondering what criteria you are using. If entities like Travelocity, TripAdvisor etc. are considered legitimate travel website entries, then certainly Viator would be. It's a very large travel site, since 1999. Check the domain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MickSkat (talk • contribs)

Because the article read like an advert. Thanks Jaranda 05:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask you a favor?

Jaranda, could you please delete the Cars 1.5 article?

Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Department of Fun

The footer got screwed up closing this one. Could you fix it? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 18:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

THanks for the delete of the Cars 1.5 article! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurtmcgee2448 (talk • contribs) 19:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Meetup

Eh... I kinda really wanna go, but cause of work... damn! Wonder if there's any way i can work around that, or am I just screwed, if it's the latter, that's fine, I just wanna know mt options if any. -- SmthManly / / 04:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Geogre

If you read that conversation, I don't see how it coudld apply to KM, since it says "Remember: he's not here, not at Misplaced Pages, not an administrator, not anything, and therefore not nominating." Presumably if he were talking about KM he wouldn't have said the last bit. Guettarda 13:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom voting

Hey mate - thanks for doing the check on my edits, I've got no way of doing it myself on this computer (can't install any of the counters). Next time though, just as a courtesy, can you advise on my talk page or something? MojoTas 06:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)