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Cplot CamperStrike

UPS

Do you know for sure that that is real and not a hoax? —Doug Bell  10:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

To remove all the other info, I cut and pasted the vital part into the email...it's a fact.--MONGO 10:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. A little Christmas cheer perhaps. :-( —Doug Bell  10:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah...I just learned it was a joke...guess I should follow up on this issue better...sorry.--MONGO 10:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I would have thought you to be more of a skeptic than to get fooled by a standard Internet joke. It sure read like one.  :-) —Doug Bell  10:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but the person who sent it to me, never jokes...and is an executive series (ES) level emloyee...he also sent it to about 100 other people...probably trying to see how many of them called his bluff...I guess I failed his test!--MONGO 10:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I wonder how long until someone else sends it to me that's less connected than you are. I'm sure it's out there now. —Doug Bell  10:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

My connections these days are only via email...frankly, I am suprised he still had my address since I no longer work for them. I guess he just hit send all. But, I did call his hoax by sending him the link to the website I have also emailed you which was sent to me by User:Wsiegmund.--MONGO 11:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

It may be unwitting. Sometimes worms and viruses forge "from" addresses or possibly his machine is infected. Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

LOL, seems about right. Taking your orders from email? How much do they pay?—Slipgrid 03:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

CamperStrike

You should read what CamperStrike wrote in my talk after I pointed out he removed the Human History section in Yellowstone. This guy is nothing but trouble. I wish he could be removed from the site completely. And the fact he doesn't always use his name doesn't help his case. Phaldo 23:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Accusations

originally posted on User talk:Travb

I want you to explain how my question on User:CamperStrike's talk page is a violation of WP:NPA. Four other editors have now discussed this editors actions with me and they have all stated that they find him to be disruptive. The edit I cited that he did clearly shows that he completely removed an entire section froma featured article, and then mispelled a number of words deliberately. PLease respond here, as I have your page watchlisted.--MONGO 06:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The edit he perfomed--MONGO 06:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello MONGO, The answer to the question is found here: Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Seabhcan/Evidence#WP:BITE

Thank you, have a good night.

Please keep in mind CamperStrike has less than 1000 edits.

I still await the answer to my questions:

1. Why did you break: Misplaced Pages:Blocking_policy#When_blocking_may_not_be_used.
2. And what evidence do you have that I am committing revenge? Revenge for what? Travb (talk) 06:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Travb. I have not broken the blocking policy...see my evidence about your behavior at Travb seeking revenge.

I posted plenty of evidence that you are seeking revenge, including your own words at Travb seeking revenge.--MONGO 07:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Soda Springs, ID

Soda Springs, ID is a very small town in the southeast area of Idaho. I passed through it on my way to Jackson, Grand Teton, and Yellowstone this past spring, coming up from Salt Lake City. I wasn't impressed as I thought I'd be with the town, but any time I travel, regardless of venue I find enjoyment out of what I see. It wasn't bad, I just think it was way over hyped for what it was. The geyser you saw in my photo is a time controlled geyser that goes off every hour (that's what the little house next to it is). It's not a town I would visit unless it's on your way. The whole idea of soda springs is that there are a lot of bubbling geysers, thus lots of carbon in the water, and thus the water is like club soda if you were to drink it. Though, never drink that water, it was dirty and who knows what bacteria live in that water. Here's another picture from Soda Springs I took. Although, if any good came out of Soda Springs, I was able to expand that article with a picture :). It was interesting, I actually took some pictures out west on that trip with Misplaced Pages in mind. One last thing since you've been in that area, regarding this picture, using my GPS I noticed this sign was about a quarter mile to the south than where it should be... Phaldo 16:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes...that 45th parallel sign is inbetween Gardiner MT and Mammoth Hot Springs. I worked for years for the NPS, and my guess is if we contacted them and told them that their sign is in the wrong location, they would do, well, nothing! This is the location where the sign should be. I know I have heard of Soda Springs, but I guess I just didn't over to that section of Idaho as much as I would have liked, spending most of my time on the east side of the Tetons, up in the Yellowstone park region and northwest of there where I spent my childhood in Missoula.--MONGO 18:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Indef-block

No apology needed. ;) --PaxEquilibrium 21:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

seen your new subpage?

User:MONGO/NewPolicy. Yeah, you might wanna delete that. --tjstrf talk 21:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It does finally explain what Category:USEBACA is, though. --tjstrf talk 22:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If you follow some of the troll's edits, you'll see it means United States Executive Branch Agent Controlled Articles. See this as an example. And I thought I worked for United Network Command for Law and Enforcement. And now, the official Misplaced Pages/CIA working policy. Morton devonshire 23:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha oh wow. Does conspiracy guy actually think that or is he just trying to be funny? --tjstrf talk 23:42, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't have all the diffs at my fingertips, because the troll keeps creating new usernames, but yes, he's dead serious. See this as an example. Morton devonshire 23:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

"Individualist Spiritualist Anarchist Barbie"? This just keeps getting better and better. You'd think he'd be bored by now, but I guess not. --tjstrf talk 00:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thtat's the second time the page has been created. It is sitting somewhere on Wiki or on another wiki and copied and pasted here.--MONGO 04:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Portfolio for ArbCom

On Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Summary table, I added a column "Examples" with links that exhibit a candidate's arbitration skills. My motivation is that as a voter, I don't want to just rely on a candidate's words, but also see their actions. Moreover, I believe a portfolio of "model cases" to remember in difficult situations can be useful for each candidate, as well.

So far I have entered examples for the candidates who registered first. As I'm not sure if and when I will get to yours, you may want to enter an example or two yourself. — Sebastian (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)    (I may not be watching this page anymore. If you would like to continue the conversation, please do so here and let me know.)

Trolls need to eat too

-)

I probably would have less patience if I'd had all of the experiences you've had here, but I will always start by assuming good faith. At least I should get points for not falling for any of it. —Doug Bell  20:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I know you knew what you were dealing with...just providing the best summary one can.--MONGO 20:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

National Historic Trails :: Protected Areas WikiProject

OCTA-Trails partners with U.S. Department of Interior agencies like the National Park Service. In supporting National Trails programs, OCTA Chapters sponsor and support projects that preserve and protect wilderness viewsheds along the same corridors used by pioneering emigrant wagon trainsgeoWIZard-Passports 08:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I see, I wasn't aware of that, so sorry for the reverts before.--MONGO 08:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tony Pierce (second nomination)

Hi Mongo. I notice that the known troll in this discussion that you removed the link to Mr. Pierce's old resume from reverted your edit . I reverted back, but as typical with these things, this might go on and on. --Oakshade 17:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Once the Afd is concluded, maybe we can ask oversight to have the edit striken, since we can then protect the Afd, which we can't do while it is still being discussed.--MONGO 17:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Doubletree Hotel Video Release

Hi Mongo, a while back I wrote you regarding the release of the security camera videos showing Flight 77. You wrote that to source Flight77.info, we had to cite reliable reports. For the new Doubltree Hotel video release, I've cited the AP, CNN and wrote about this part of the story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:American_Airlines_Flight_77#Doubletree_video_release

Could we update the article regarding the Doubletree release?

Thank you, --Jimwilson

Withdrawal

That is unfortunate. I feel strongly that too much time on Misplaced Pages is wasted on the impression of civility and the enforcement of status quo rather than cleaning up the negative inertia generated by a few malcontents and I think you would have been a good influence. (sigh) Just know that some reasonable people don't think you're a banhappy mouth-frothing zealot. --Elaragirl 20:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC), who still can't believe idjits bring up tired old wikitruth lies in an arbcom election.

Some of those who offered supports made good observations. You have been through some challenges that gives you the understanding of what real trouble from some can be. You would have done well as an mediator. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 20:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

If it's any consolation to you, the hammering that Faafafooey will take when he goes RfA will make your hammering look like a lovefest. :) - Crockspot 20:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Based on his block log, it will probably be about the same as what Striver got when he ran for admin.--MONGO 20:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Cross posted from User talk:KillerChihuahua:

This is a pity. I feel strongly that had those who oppose investigated more deeply, they would have found that in those controversial cases, you were pitted against Trolls and POV Warriors who would have done considerable damage had you not held fast. KillerChihuahua 20:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

My sentiments exactly! AnnH ♫ 21:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

And mine, as well. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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Adding another "amen" to that. I don't think I've ever seen such an appalling campaign of harassment mounted against another editor. Keep up the good work. Antandrus (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe that the harassment I deal with all the time would have possibly been a disruptive adition to arbcom proceedings. Had I been above 70%, I would have continued my quest, but I definitely feel that I might be more effective in helping myself and others defeat harassment if I am not an arbitrator. Kind of goes along with my 20 something years of law enforcement/investigations/security work...I do better at apprehending perhaps, than I do at judging. Your kind words here are deeply appreciated...thanks!--MONGO 21:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi MONGO, I don't know you very well, but you were the first to help me with wikistuff and I've seen and appreciated your work on our common interests and your advice to me. As those above say, keep up the good work. Cheers --Geologyguy 21:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I intend to return to the Yellowstone and related articles in the near future. If you need anything, don't hesitate to ask.--MONGO 21:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to see you withdraw from the election. Guettarda 22:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Much appreciated and thanks.--MONGO 22:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

A pity, sorry to see you go out. Probably less stressful out of it! Giano 23:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Allow me to add my consolations as well. I've been exposed to just a small fraction of your problems through this Cplot mess, and it's driving me insane when I'm not even the one being attacked. That you even stay around here and aren't banned speaks wonders about your dedication and relatively cool head. Given the number of attacks you end up on the bad end of, I think your civility is commendable. --tjstrf talk 23:23, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

See my talk page. More generally, I agree with all the above sentiments. Metamagician3000 00:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That really is a shame. I would have thought people would be willing to support one with a good strong streak of common sense rather than, as Elara calls it, an ability to enforce the status quo. The fact that you're here, despite all you've been through, should be enough to show your dedication to the project. This all comes from someone who is relatively unaware of the situation, and completely unacquainted with you, and still manages to feel angry about it. I hope this doesn't discourage you too much - keep up your excellent work in other areas! Cheers, riana_dzasta 01:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cross-posted from User talk:Doug Bell:

I am sorry to hear you've withdrawn, although I did have a certain affinity for the oppose reasoning from Tbeatty's initial oppose. It may be that you can do more good as an admin than as an arbitrator. —Doug Bell  01:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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This is a sad day indeed. However, do take heart that your vandal-, troll-, and conspiracy-whacking stick(s?) is and always has been appreciated, and your efforts to maintain rationality within Misplaced Pages have not gone unnoticed by many. While conflict brings controversy, rejection need not imply resentment. --physicq (c) 03:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Just recently saw your bid for Arbcom, don't let it get to you. Just keep up the good work that we all know you for and I'm sure you'll reach your goal. --kizzle 04:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much to all who have taken their time to be so kind...this is an inspiration to me and further motivation to try and do better here on Misplaced Pages.--MONGO 04:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So many jobs to do. Perhaps it's better to have you available to whack-a-troll when they pop up. Relentless job and takes nerves of absolute steel. If you ever need help ganging up on troll-cats, you know what to do. (Damn, I hadn't even had a chance to express an opinion yet.) Peace and love. BusterD 22:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Add Doubletree Video?

Hi Mongo,

Thanks for updating the F77 article. I'm wondering if a link to the actual video can be posted... Links to Judicial Watch's three Youtube URLs are there. Should I create a separate Youtube account that doesn't reference Flight77.info in any way? I can even take the logo off the video if that would help. The intent is not to take credit, but rather to complete the record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H285_DWX_bQ

--Jimwilson

I just added it...the link you gave is fine.--MONGO 20:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Another Cplot Sock

To block --Novus Ordo Seculorum. Typical "clowns" stuff. Morton devonshire 02:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

A Request for Mediation to which you are a party was not accepted and has been delisted. You can find more information on the mediation subpage, Misplaced Pages:Requests for mediation/September 11, 2001 Attacks. For the Mediation Committee, Essjay (Talk) This message delivered by MediationBot, an automated bot account operated by the Mediation Committee to perform case management. If you have questions about this bot, please contact the Mediation Committee directly.

But what about personal disputes?

Mongo, slow down a second. You just said you had been hurt by a remark of mine. I offered my hospitality in user space so as to keep it out of article space. You then tell me to keep content disputes in the article space. Are your reading my comments?--Thomas Basboll 20:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but let's discuss the issues of the content for now...I was only reminding you to argue about the message and not the messenger...thanks.--MONGO 20:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, let me know when you want to talk about those insults.--Thomas Basboll 20:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I will.--MONGO 20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well that didn't take long

I'm already immersed in a minor controversy surround my closing of a monster AfD. See, this is all your fault for nominating me. :-P —Doug Bell  20:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I would just step back now and if gets undeleted, don't worry about it. There may be a number of folks that will make accusatory statements regarding your deletion, so just try and restrain from responding.--MONGO 21:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably I will. That's my plan at least. I have no stake in the articles, so my only reason to respond is to defend my actions, not the articles. —Doug Bell  21:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow. Judging from the DRV comments I seemed to have managed to stop a speeding trainwreck without suffering any damage. It was probably helped by the fact that while I was doing the closing I was wondering if this was going to be a quick end to my adminship—a little paranoia helps keep the mind sharp sometimes. This is even more fun than my RfA was, so I take it all back. Thanks for the nomination...this admin stuff could turn out to be a blast! —Doug Bell  10:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Nah...you have to really mess up to be deadminned around here...like protecting pages you aren't involved in an editing conflict on, or blocking someone who is a disruption or haraassing you, or blocking someone and then having action taken on you for that six months later. Closing out a big Afd like you did so early in your adminship and having the bulk of the community support your action at DRV is a good omen.--MONGO 10:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Nebraska

Someone (not me!) started WikiProject Nebraska. I thought you may be interested in participating. – Swid  20:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I see...I probably will...thanks!--MONGO 21:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi MONGO. Hope you are fine. Here, just wanted to give you a link. No, it's not to provoke, its just FYI: . No need to answer back, peace. --Striver 03:29, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess there's a reason they are actors and not engineers. --Tbeatty 04:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

::I think I need to send my fellow Montanan (David Lynch) an email and remind him that there were hundreds of plane parts all over the Pentagon lawn, virtually all the DNA from that crash scene was recovered and cross referenced to be the people on the plane. I don't think that Bernard Brown, the father of Bernard Curtis Brown II, who was on Flight 77 when it hit the Pentagon would be very happy to hear someone spread lies about what happened to his deceased son. Bernard Brown Sr, was a Chief Petty Officer and worked at the Pentagon, but he wasn't at work when his son died as he was a Golf outing with coworkers. Some time before his son was to leave on his trip to go to California on an ecological field trip, Bernard Brown had to comfort his son who was very scared of flying...according to an NBC interview, Brown stated: "To be honest," Brown told NBC, "we talked about death. And I just told him, 'Don't be afraid. … Just listen to what the people tell you, and the instructions. You'll be all right; you'll be fine.' He said, 'Daddy, I’m scared,' and I said, 'Hey, don't be scared; don't be afraid to die. Because we are all going to die someday.". --MONGO 05:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, i understand, ill give you no more messages. One thing made me curious. "virtually all the DNA from that crash scene was recovered and cross referenced to be the people on the plane". I was under the impression that was not done. Do you care to give me references for that? Thanks. I wont bother you again with messages like that. --Striver 13:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

• Here's one...there are many others...I'll look for more later."At the Pentagon, military medical examiners linked remains to 179 victims, including passengers aboard American Airlines Flight 77 and people working in the facility."
  • "In the Pentagon and Pennsylvania cases, nine genetic profiles that matched no known victims were presumed to be hijacker remains, Smith says.". Interesting, this contradicts other things i have heard before. I would appreciate more info in this regard. Thanks for the link --Striver 12:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Keltik31 RfC

Hello! You might want to have a gander here and here. -- weirdoactor -- 19:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Goodlief is sitting out a 48 hour block--MONGO 10:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth

MONGO, for what it's worth, I do think it would be prudent if you let other admins defend you from the ED harassment campaign. I don't deny that it exists or that you deserve to be defended, but since you're right in the middle of it, it's probably best to let other people make the calls. TheronJ 17:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

They move too quick...sometimes creating multiple accounts befire I could even get it to AN?I...I have asked for others to help me in the past and it is sometimes hours or never before I get a response and I can either deal with them myself, or walk away from Misplaced Pages, which is there gaol anyway. The latter allows them to knock me off the website.--MONGO 17:15, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

As much as you might want them in gaol, I'll assume that's just a typo. :) Newyorkbrad 17:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)