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== Abuse allegations section ==

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Discussion

The results are still not announced. Tejasvi is not yet a member of Parliament.

He is now...C1MM (talk) 15:52, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Not the youngest MP

Some sources such as this falsely claim that Surya is the youngest MP to be elected. However, currently Chandrani Murmu holds this record. SerTanmay (talk) 12:16, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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Fan point of view and resume style issues

I have tagged the article for FANPOV and resume. I found multiple exaggerations from what the source said and have fixed a couple. the article needs a complete overhaul and verification of what exactly the reliable source stated and the article would need to be copy edited appropriately based on the same. Please do not remove the tags without removing the issues--DBigXrayᗙ 07:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@DBigXray: I don’t see any exaggeration in this article now. FANPOV tag shall be removed. Sankoswal (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Sankoswal, thanks for sharing your opinion and pinging me. I have not reviewed this article recently, I have seen, User:Harshil169 has been doing improvements here. Let him complete his efforts. Once he is done. I will review it again and if needed remove the tags, per WP:CONSENSUS--DBigXrayᗙ 15:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray, I have removed allegations of sexual section as separate heading. It doesn't make sense to me and was completely negative. Allegations can be best if included in appropriate section and I merged it in Life section because nothing lasting happened after it; neither it was some scandal nor conviction.
Please review the article. Most of the problems of templates have been solved. Pinging Sankoswal and SerTanmay who also worked in this.-- Harshil 14:28, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
I have specific concerns that I raised above, unless the sources are vetted and concerns fixed the article cannot be untagged. How is an incident where allegations of abuse where Womens commission is involved be termed as Personal life ? this is the kind of whitewashing that is found frequently on this page. And that is why the article is tagged. --DBigXrayᗙ 14:55, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray, See Vivek Agnihotri. Allegations are merged into section of his life. This is not whitewashing. And you didn't raise specific issues here. You just tagged and said complete overhaul needed which I did. Can you say how it is resume or fan POV right now when it includes criticism of him? Harshil 15:00, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
see WP:OSE, Please explain how this case is personal life ?
Secondly, Please provide me the diff of your comment where you stated that you overhauled the entire article, I seem to have missed that completely. Unless of course you are openly lying. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:07, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray, Let me raise issue at WP:BLPN because section of Vivek Agnihotri was addressed with help of many other editors. Harshil 15:13, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
It is humorous how instead of providing diffs to back up your lies, you move to another forum. Well you are free to open threads in whichever forum you like, but remember those threads cannot be used as a shortcut or to sidetrack the talk page discussion. The article was poorly written with blatant misrepresentation of sources, and each source needs to be verified and article needs to be copy edited in a WP:NPOV manner. silly theatrics and lies aren't going to help the article here. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Ohh, please stop calling it as lies. I wasn’t even involved when these templates were put. I improved article, it’s your duty to call out what is wrong in it and to remove template. Harshil 17:27, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I repeat, "Please provide me the diff of your comment where you stated that you overhauled the entire article, I seem to have missed that completely. Unless of course you are openly lying."--DBigXrayᗙ 17:30, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
I never commented in summary that I overhauled article but I rearranged the early life sections. I was the one who formed political views subsection under political career and all. You can visit history to know how much improvement I had done. Harshil 17:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
That is my point, nowhere did you said that you overhauled the entire article and yet you claim that the tags should be removed because you removed "a few" problems. well, unless someone comes along and does an entire overhaul and vets the refs and reviews the article in its entirety, the tags cannot be removed. I know you did not write this problematic article, but someone did and they falsified the sources. And that is why the tags exist. --DBigXrayᗙ 18:18, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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How twitter noices are notable?

On the page Zomato, DBigXray had said that twitter voices and trolling are not notable and man eating food it just trivial. Here, he is supporting coverage of backlash of Twitter as encyclopedic value on BLP which was covered by only two sources though. Directly quoting his own words No Twitter dramas dont count. This is as trivial as it can be. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia which covers WP:LASTING incidents and not a WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Then how Twitter dramas here becomes notable here? I am pinging @Nizil Shah: as I sought his opinion on talk page of Zomato too. I am totally confused that how twitter drama for Zomato (which was covered in 9 sources) was not notable and this (covered in only 2 sources) is considered as notable and has encyclopedic value? -- Harshil 06:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Also, one expert on Misplaced Pages once commented It is common to see new editors stressing more on WP:RECENTISM but over time you will be able to differentiate the wheat from the chaff. A thumb rule that you can appliy to gauge the importance of the incident is will someone want to read about it in a para or an article of its own 10-20 years down the line. This should help you. I am eager to know that how twitter backlash are not recentism and has encyclopedic value? -- Harshil 06:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169: Note: Following this and the announcement of his Lok Sabha candidature, Surya obtained a temporary injunction against 49 media outlets and social media platforms restraining them from publishing any "defamatory statements" against him. His tweet later resulted in a court order obtained by him not to publish against him. The information is in context of court order, not only about tweet backlash. Only tweet and backlash would have been removed as trivia. Hope it clarifies. -Nizil (talk) 07:05, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
If tweet sentences are unrelated to the court order, I would support its removal.-Nizil (talk) 07:10, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: those orders were for allegations of sexual harassment by woman, not for these tweets on Arab woman of 2015.— Harshil 07:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169: Then it should be OK to remove those sentences IMO.-Nizil (talk) 07:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Nizil Shah: Still I’ll wait for comment of DBig. I found his behaviour completely confusing, he opposes content on Zomato because it was recentism but in the same hand, he supports similar content on Tejasvi. That’s why I’d pinged you yesterday on talk page of Zomato to know what the heck issue is. Maybe COI. — Harshil 07:46, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Harshil169: Your concern is very valid. Sankoswal (talk) 05:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Possible copyright violations

This edit here by Harshil169 introduced more than 37% of copyright violations due to the copy paste of a quote. Ideally quotes should not be added to articles. See WP:COPYQUOTE. SerTanmay (talk) 17:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Give me some time. Will CE it. Harshil 17:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Harshil169, I have done the needful (see here). SerTanmay (talk) 17:33, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@DESiegel:, thank you for the revdels. However, you missed out one. I have tagged the page once again with the problematic revision. SerTanmay (talk) 16:38, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
SerTanmay, revision 926125420 has already been RevDeleted. The previous revision 926122853 (05:53, 14 November 2019) includes the copied content as a marked and cited quotation. It is therfore not a copyright violation, and does not need to be Revision deleted. The statement aboce that Ideally quotes should not be added to articles. is quite incorrect. Excessive quotes should not be used. Reasonably short quotes (which in my view this is), properly marked, cited, and attributed, are often essential to accurate reporting. DES DESiegel Contribs 17:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
DESiegel, thanks for providing your valuable inputs. SerTanmay (talk) 18:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Sources to expand

Sources to expand --DBigXrayᗙ 07:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. "'Call Me A Bigot': Twitter Dug Out BJP Candidate Tejasvi Surya's Old Tweets, And It Ain't Pretty". HuffPost India. March 27, 2019.
  2. BengaluruMarch 28, Press Trust of India; March 28, 2019UPDATED:; Ist, 2019 19:35. "Is Tejasvi Surya next MJ Akbar, asks Congress as abuse charge surfaces against BJP candidate". India Today. {{cite web}}: |first3= has numeric name (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  3. Reporter, Staff (April 4, 2019). "Women's commission summons Tejasvi Surya" – via www.thehindu.com.
  4. "Karnataka High Court Sets Aside Gag Order Obtained by BJP's Tejasvi Surya". The Wire.
  5. "Twitter war over Tejasvi Surya: Woman threatens to sue Congress' Brijesh Kalappa". The New Indian Express.

Abuse allegations section

This should not be changed to "controversies" as discussed on the WP:BLPN#Tejasvi Surya thread. Please instead contribute to the discussion there. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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