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The result was delete. Sandstein 14:53, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Jonas Max Ferris

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I did a check for sources after coming across this article and seeing it only uses primary references. I've found only found 3 passing mentions in published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Those passing mentions have to do with Ferris' company MAXfunds.com, and do not go in depth into this person. If I'm missing a source I'd be happy to be shown it. As of now, appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:BIO as a non-notable TV personality. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete - lots of quotes and mentions as a pundit, but no actual WP:SIGCOV of the man himself. Fails WP:BASIC. FOARP (talk) 12:13, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete we need more coverage to show notability. Just because you appear on TV does not mean you are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep for now. I added a little information. Searching is a little difficult since he has been a financial pundit since 2002.Patapsco913 (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep He has been personally discussed in a number of sources beyond just being quoted. The sources added by Patapsco913 discuss a website which he operates which was mentioned at length in several independent secondary sources. He appears to have been a moderately high profile figure in the investment world for some time, beyond just being a pundit. Machetazic (talk) 15:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Yet not a single source added by you or Patapsco913 has been in-depth coverage of Ferris himself (merely more coverage of Maxfunds and now a Fox News story Ferris discussed on air once). MaxFunds.com potentially having some notability, and stories Ferris has covered on Fox News getting secondary coverage, are not justifications for Ferris having a stand-alone article himself. So, in no way has the article been improved to our standard of retention. And, I still do not see a path for that to happen here. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:18, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Per nom. ZXVZ (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Blocked sock. Captain Eek ⚓ 04:56, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Comment - Agree with above commenter that the cited additional sources are not actually coverage of Ferris per se but instead of his website. As such my delete vote stands. FOARP (talk) 12:26, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
Delete there is just not very much in the way of significant coverage coming up in my searches.NotButtigieg (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

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The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 04:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Nenny

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:SINGER and WP:GNG. Although a WP:BEFORE shows passing comments but nothing in-depth. Celestina007 (talk) 02:03, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. A real case of WP:TOOSOON. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 03:02, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep It doesn't fail WP:MUSICBIO as she has two songs on national music charts. It also doesn't fail WP:GNG as two of the most reliable news sources in Portugal are SIC Notícias and SAPO. I don't consider it too soon as she has songs with over 10 million views on Youtube. She is well known on the country. Phospor (Talk 13:42, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as passes criteria 2 of WP:NMUSIC with charting singles on a national chart and has coverage in Portuguese reliable sources so deserves to be included imv Atlantic306 (talk) 01:20, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - as Atlantic306 says, she meets criteria 2 of the music SNG. I also think she might pass WP:GNG, but that's a borderline case, and others might see it differently. But being borderline GNG, and passing NMUSIC puts me in the keep column. Onel5969 11:59, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Spartaz 11:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Jeremiah Red

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Non notable DJ & radio personality who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 19:37, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy delete - I've tagged this with G11. Seems unambiguously promotional to me. It was inappropriately created in mainspace by a paid editor after a previous version was draftified. SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 21:40, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment I removed the Speedy Delete tag, since this was already listed at AFD and should go through the process here. These are two different processes. AFD is a discussion and consensus. Speedy Delete does not allow for discussion. WP:PAID is allowed at Misplaced Pages if proper disclosure is posted on the editor's user page.. — Maile (talk) 22:10, 18 December 2019 (UTC) — Maile (talk) 22:04, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, the page has an odd history - it was initially tagged for A7 and G11 by another user, then the nom sent it to AfD one minute after the CSD tagging, presumably not having seen the tags - then the author blanked the page, so the CSD tagger removed their tags, and then someone restored the article because it was at AfD. I think the initial CSD tagging was correct and it was only removed because of a technicality. However, if it would be better for this to go through AfD then that's fine. (And while paid editing is allowed, paid editors are instructed to submit drafts through AfC and not create articles directly in mainspace, per WP:Conflict of interest#Paid editing). SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 22:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
SpicyMilkBoy & Maile66 sigh, it was silly me tbh. Lapablo correctly placed a speedy delete tag on the page (which it very well qualifies for) at the exact same time I opened an AFD for it. Both actions occurred simultaneously. Sorry for the mix up & all. In the end it is a promotional piece for a non notable subject.Celestina007 (talk) 22:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
There's a lot of actions that need to be cleared up here. Apparently @Lapablo: moved the article to Draft:Jeremiah Red without leaving a redirect, so there are two versions. Then @Justlettersandnumbers: blocked @Runawaytonight:, so the author is not able to reply here, but has filed an appeal for unblock. A whole lot of people got involved in this, before any one part of it ran its course. Perhaps the first step should be to see how the unblock appeal plays out. — Maile (talk) 22:42, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes i had moved the article to Draftspace and issued a notice on the authors talk page but minutes later the same copy of the article was republished by the author in mainspace. When i had found out that it was recreated i tagged it with CSD G11 at the same time an editor also took it to AFD hence i had to withdraw the speedy tag. 09:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)Lapablo (talk)
Comment. Yes, Maile66, I blocked the editor for the combination of promotional editing with a promotional username implying shared use – which includes several years of undisclosed paid contributions (the editor claims to be "a boutique creative service company catered to various brands in the nightlife industry"). I see no reason to believe that this page is not more of the same, although no disclosure has been made, and thus a violation of our Terms of Use. Note: I've had to remove a good deal of the content from it, as it was copied directly from the sources. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Tone 09:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Hunny Mor

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Only claim of notability is coordinated the building of tallest water tank mural in India. Listed sources have only passing mentions. Subject does not meet WP:ARTIST. Jikaoli Kol (talk) 16:37, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete stunt artisty to get in a record book is not the path to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:23, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Sandstein 06:50, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

K. Narayanan (film editor)

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Non notable film editor who won a non notable award & fails WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 16:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete - I'm struggling to assess all of the sources, even with Google translate, but I'm not seeing evidence of passing GNG. And simply on the basis of the content of the article, there doesn't seem to be anything that would amount to notability. No major films or TV series, and a relatively minor award. Hug 17:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - According to WP:Notability, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". Submitted sources of the article are genuine and all from printed media in malayalam language. 'The award' was presented to K. Narayanan about 12 years ago. Now, it is not possible to obtain its original links or sources. Because, the online editions started in Malayalam printed media (Daily & Other) before just 5 or 6 years ago. But, the detail of the award achievement is mentioned in the sources which are included the article. Kaitha Poo Manam (talk) 19:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete. Fails GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:49, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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This article created with WP:Identifying and using independent sources and there are mainly 5 or more independent sources here. These sources are strongly discussing and indicating about Mr. Narayanan and his personal life and his film career. And, WP:Notability (people) says that,if the person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors is considerable for the notability of Misplaced Pages. Here, Narayanan has enough notability through with many reliable and independent sources. As per this, keep this article here. Kaitha Poo Manam (talk) 08:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Fails WP:GNG as per nom. Abishe (talk) 17:47, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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Delete,Per above, fails notability Alex-h (talk) 11:07, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Delete - claims of notability can not be verified in reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 22:18, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:Notability underlined that, "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity..." This article follows Basic criteria with WP:Notability (people). Basic criteria says that "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." And, Basic criteria also says that, "People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below."Kaitha Poo Manam (talk) 18:02, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

If follows Basic criteria about an article For people, doesn't matter Additional criteria of WP:Notability (people) for a biographical article. So, this criteria, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times" in Additional criteria, Any biography section is not relevant here. Because, this article is not related with Any biography section. It comes in Creative professionals section. In Creative professionals section, this article follows one criteria, "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors." Kaitha Poo Manam (talk) 18:23, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

WP:Notability says that "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list" and in Notability is not temporary section of WP:Notability says that "Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." Here, Mr. Narayanan has got enough significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources. Kaitha Poo Manam (talk) 18:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

These links, (Malayala Manorama English language), (Malayala Manorama-Malayalam language), (Deshabhimani-Malayalam language), (Mathrubhumi-Malayalam language), (Mathrubhumi-Malayalam language) are from reliable sources-List of Malayalam-language newspapers- which are published from Malayalam. . This link, from a leading Malayalam periodical, Vanitha. See also these links:- , , , , , . Kaitha Poo Manam (talk) 19:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Angeli Arora

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Article about a lawyer even though apparently having some impressive achievements in the area of law in Africa. There is not enough coverage to really bring her over WP:GNG. The references given in the article and found are biographies from sites she does work for. McMatter /_(contrib) 14:03, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete - Fails WP:GNG woefully.Celestina007 (talk) 15:14 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete no actual claim to notability. Being "one of the youngest" to do something does not make one notable, and partners in law firms are generally not notable for such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was speedy delete copyvio. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 05:49, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Ian Wright (percussion tutor)

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Non notable percussion tutor who does not satisfy WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 09:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete. He's had a successful career but I'm not seeing any particular notability in Misplaced Pages terms in my searches. In any case, the article is possibly a WP:COPYVIO as it's a very lightly-edited version of this bio on the Royal Northern College of Music website. Neiltonks (talk) 12:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated the article for G12 speedy deletion, as the material was largely copied from here. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:34, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Opinions are tending towards a consensus that the article can (and should) be improved instead of deleted. Ritchie333 11:29, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Christina Linhardt

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Subject of article is a singer that fails WP:SINGER an actor, but fails WP:NACTOR & a director that fails WP:ANYBIO. Celestina007 (talk) 09:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete none of the sources are 3rd party, reliable secondary sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
~~Delete~~ unfortunately as does not yet have any prominent roles in notable productions with only minor roles or short films credits so does not pass WP:NACTOR at this stage and being a member of an orchestra is not sufficient for the music inclusion guidelines but may be notable in the future if better roles are secured, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 01:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC) Changed to neutral as explained in later comment Atlantic306 (talk) 03:50, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep John Pack Lambert , isn't the question supposed to be, "Do such sources exist?", not "Are there such sources within the article?" (did you do a Google search on her? What did you find?). And Atlantic306: Passing WP:NACTOR or any other guideline is only a measure of inclusion, not exclusion, and NOT meeting a guideline is not usually grounds for deletion. The question, as I understand it, is this: is the subject covered non-trivially in multiple reliable independent published sources (whether or not included in the actual article)? Did either of you check this? If you did, I think you might be surprised! Also: isn't the Hollywood FAME award evidence of her notability? Also, consider this article on her. A loose necktie (talk) 01:15, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment @A loose necktie: I see that you created this article. If you are aware of other reliable sources with coverage about this person, it would be useful if you could add them to the article, or at least add links here, rather than saying we might be surprised if we checked. I have been trying to check, and so far I have not found a great deal. In 1997, the Los Angeles Times said that she "made a valiant reading of the difficult Menotti aria" in a performance called "Haunted Cabaret" ; in 2004, she was a member of a satirical anti-Bush group Billionaires for Bush . Neither of those contributes to notability. This article in International Musician is the most significant coverage I've found. I am not sure that it would count as independent, though, as the article is a "Member Profile", indicating that Linhardt is a member of the association of which this is the official journal. However, it gives some information about her education ("graduated in music and vocal arts from the University of Southern California", though with no dates), and some of the groups she has performed in, places she has appeared, etc, which could be (1) added to the article and (2) used in searches to find additional information. She has performed in Germany, so there may well be more German sources. It's not clear that Skope magazine, which has the article you linked to above, is a reliable source, and the article seems rather promotional and makes rather exaggerated, unsubstantiated claims (eg "Her “Classics To Cabaret” show is a favorite among European Royalty and diplomats"). Some of the info in it could be used to search for additional sources, though. As notability is WP:NOTINHERITED, it is not relevant to her notability to mention that she met famous people. So far I am not seeing enough coverage or enough notable performances for her to meet notability guidelines - it would be helpful if you could add more independent, reliable sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 07:28, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Okay, what about this, this, and the multiple newspaper clippings shown here? A loose necktie (talk) 15:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Hi, those two links seem to be a members profile addition and a university aluminus report but the press clippings look more independent so I' m changing to neutral, but the Hollywood Fame awards don't seem to have an article assuming they are not Fans of Adult Media and Entertainment Award, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 03:49, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Which they are not, of course! They are part of the LA Music Awards as the Hollywood Film, Art, Music, and Entertainment awards. Thank you for changing your vote. A loose necktie (talk) 13:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, A loose necktie. The International Musician profile I had already linked to above - it's a member profile, so not independent. The University of Southern California notice is not independent either, as she studied there. The Hollywood FAME award does not seem to be notable itself, so is not an indication of notability for her. The articles in the Press page of the Circus Sanctuary website do appear to be independent and reliable, and should be added as individual references to the article, with the information they contain. They may be enough for her either to meet WP:GNG, or to show that she meets one or more criteria of WP:MUSICBIO, but at the moment, it's not enough to show that sources exist, as there is no clear claim of notability as recognised by Misplaced Pages notability guidelines. If this AfD is not relisted, I would suggest that this article be draftified, so that the information and sources can be included. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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I have now added some German language sources. Along with those in English, I believe I have now met the minimum requirements for article sourcing. I would rather not have the article moved to draft space, and would rather it simply be deleted if others do not agree that the subject meets the WP:GNG by virtue of having been the subject of non-trivial discussion in multiple reliable independent published sources (whether in the article yet or not). A loose necktie (talk) 01:51, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep for now WP:NORUSH and NEXIST (reliable sources exist even if not in the article) Here is one that a loose necktie found. Subject of a documentary. WP:ATD Wm335td (talk) 22:14, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Delete ~~appearingly early(ish) career.~~ But not enough sources at present.NotButtigieg (talk) 14:57, 3 January 2020 (UTC). Removing a remark that appears to be inaccurate, she seems to have been performing since at least 1997 when she was damned with faint praise "Among the other performers... Christina Linhardt made a valiant reading of the difficult Menotti aria." May have been a career killer.NotButtigieg (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Is that your honest opinion? Okay... Then how many sources ARE enough, NotButtigieg? Also, what is "appearingly early(ish)"? If you mean you don't think she's had a long enough career yet, isn't that basically WP:ITSTOONEW argumentation? And quickly, for Sandstein: I see you have relisted this for further discussion. Given that it had already been listed once and that a decision to delete did not appear to have community consensus while a clear decision to keep was also not there, couldn't you have called it a no-consensus keep and saved the community further discussion time? Just a thought. Thanks! A loose necktie (talk)

In response, I made a more thorough search and can see very little indication of notability.NotButtigieg (talk) 15:56, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Keep There definitely seem to be enough independent sources to qualify as notable under GNG. I don't agree that "International Musician" is not an independent source, the profile is a news article in the official journal of an 80,000 member union, this does not constitute a "close affiliation". I'll try to incorporate some of the additional sources into the article in the next day or so.

Cherryblossom1982 (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 07:15, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Ibife Alufohai

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Not meeting WP:NMODEL or WP:GNG. Winning a non-notable beauty pageant is not enough to warrant a standalone article. Could not find any kind of substantial coverage on the subject. Passing mentions in reputable sources are not enough to demonstrate notability. Hitro talk 06:31, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep Being the founder of a notable event like Miss Polo International is enough to pass WP:ARCHITECT. Being discussed at length in reliable sources like Leadership Newspaper here and in Dailymail24 here is enough to pass WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:BASIC to warrant a standalone article. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 12:52, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep After a search I feel like subject meets WP:GNG based on the articles cited by User:Nnadigoodluck.Though I couldn't access the leadership.ng source, similar sources provide similar coverage counting towards WP:BASIC and WP:GNG. Achaea (talk) 20:15, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - per WP:RS provided by Nnadigoodluck above. Celestina007 (talk) 012:35, 23 December 2019 (UTC

The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Ritchie333 19:01, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Ubald Klug

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources and fails WP:GNG. I should note that a WP:BEFORE shows subject has been discussed in passing but never in detail nor with in-depth. Celestina007 (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Ritchie333 19:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Ibrahim Olugbade

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO & does not satisfy WP:42. Celestina007 (talk) 02:18, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Joan Gardner (Broadway actress)

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Non notable actress failing WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR & not satisfying WP:42 Celestina007 (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep seems to me to actually pass WP:GNG with coverage provided in the article. Admittedly low coverage, but it's a stub. Do not confuse stub status with non-notability.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep I've added information from Newspapers.com. She was a bit of a sensation there for a while. I'm seeing some evidence of her in society pages as Mrs. Edwin T. Hall in the late 1920s and early 1930s, but there's actually a few different Mrs. Edwin T. Halls, it seems and I'm not sure which is which. Would be interesting to find out. Passes GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as, per Paul McDonald, notability wasn't that questionable in the first place and as, per Megalibrarygirl, there was more information (and accessible online) out there. I am going to a library to access Variety and other entertainment archives in a few weeks; if this discussion is not closed as keep soon, please give me more time to find more sources on the subject. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 03:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was redirect to Return of the Mack#Nevada version.. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:22, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Nevada (DJ)

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Non notable DJ failing WP:GNG & WP:ANYBIO Celestina007 (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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~~comment~~ Redirect to Return of the Mack#Nevada version. I found a few mentions of Nevada, but all in the context of the one song that charted, and no coverage of the person. There are no sources to fill in a basic biography. The song is more notable than the person. ~~I don't have time to do a BEFORE right now, but I wanted to note that it seems to meets WP:SINGER by having a single chart on ARIA.~~ Schazjmd (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - Has a lead single that successfully charted on multiple charts. Foxnpichu (talk) 22:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep The charting song is what makes the artist notable, “The Mack” is a big song and charted in many countries. That should get the artist a page. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 21:05, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
@CheatCodes4ever - So what you’re saying is keep the page? Foxnpichu (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, if a song peaks at number 9 on the ARIA, that means the song is notable enough to have a page. It also should get the artist a page. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 20:52, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
@CheatCodes4ever - You may wanna add "Keep" in bold at the start of your comment then. Foxnpichu (talk) 18:48, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
I just realised that. Sorry. CheatCodes4ever (talk) 19:50, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect to Return of the Mack#Nevada version. It is unusual for a cover version to be notable but the performer not; but it is not impossible, and this is such a case. Notability is not WP:INHERITed. There is no evidence at all that Nevada gets anywhere near passing WP:GNG, WP:NBIO or WP:NMUSICIAN. Narky Blert (talk) 18:42, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect to Return of the Mack#Nevada version. Our guidelines indicate that an artist who has a release that reaches the charts and/or shifts a lot of units is likely to be notable. However, in this case, the release is a cover of a song which is notable, and the original artist, who is notable, appears on the cover. When looking for reliable sources I found little which dealt with Nevada in depth, though I found this which talks about Nevada's cover in terms of the original artist, Mark Morrison, which underscores that it is the song and the original artist which appear to be the notable aspects here. SilkTork (talk) 12:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:58, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Ritchie333 19:20, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Sue Dodge

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources and fails WP:GNG, WP:42 & WP:SINGER Celestina007 (talk) 01:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete non-notable -- the possiblity of redirection to Spear Famoily is nt supported by the availabel sources. DGG ( talk ) 09:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Amin Mehraein

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I don't believe this person meets GNG. Most citations seem self-published. CookieMonster755 ✉ 00:04, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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@CookieMonster755: you've found the work of one of the more dedicated sockpuppeteers on Misplaced Pages. Best, GPL93 (talk) 00:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Redirects can be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Kathy Evers

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She is simply not notable. Sources include tweets from the campaign trail (promotional, not independent of the campaign) and passing mentions in reliable sources. First ladies of a U.S. state are not considered inherently notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Merge to Tony Evers. Almost all relates to him. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:32, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect to the Governor of Wisconsin Tony Evers. Non-notable person. Lightburst (talk) 23:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete, without prejudice against recreation of a redirect to Tony. "First lady" at the state level is not an inherently notable role that guarantees an article to every spouse of a state governor — the national first lady gets that, but state first ladies are only notable if they get over a regular notability criterion on their own activities independently of who they happen to be married to. But this features entirely too much primary and unreliable sourcing (Twitter tweets are a no-no), and not nearly enough of the reliable kind: even the real media sources mostly aren't about her, but merely mention her name in the process of being about Tony. Accordingly, a bit of content about her in Tony's article would be perfectly appropriate, but the substance and sourcing here don't rise to the level of earning her a standalone BLP separately from him. Bearcat (talk) 15:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak keep. There are articles about the subject in RS not currently used in the article that a WP:BEFORE turns up. See the articles in WKOW on her dementia work; Heavy for general coverage; WISN on helping children and the elderly; the Associated Press stated she was the one "who led the state’s efforts to mark the anniversary" of her state marking the 100th anniversary of adopting the 19th amendment; and she's worked with the Wisconsin Historical Society for events. --Kbabej (talk) 17:55, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Kbabej, that's all pretty weak, hence why I did BEFORE and nominated anyway. Those articles don't provide any biographical information about her, other than verifying that she is the first lady of Wisconsin. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete for now. It's possible that she will get more coverage during her term as first lady, but what she has received so far does not amount to WP:SIGCOV. Even "Kathy Evers, Tony Evers' Wife: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know", which is in the article as a source, is mostly about him, not her. I found a few other pieces of coverage, but they are minimal - she chaired the committee organising the celebration of the 100th anniversary in 2019 of Wisconsin ratifying the amendment giving women the right to vote (the first state to do so), but all that's reported of the major events is that the ceremony included "comments from first lady Kathy Evers, who led the state's efforts to mark the centenary". WAOW and WSAU (AM) did a story on her visiting schools to mark the centenary , . I found one news story about the 2018 Warren-Baldwin rally in Wisconsin that says "Kathy Evers, the wife of state Superintended Tony Evers, who is challenging Gov. Scott Walker, introduced Baldwin at the rally". Very little about her, with not even her comments reported, often. Possibly WP:TOOSOON. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:07, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment Some of the spouses of the United States state governors are notable; Betty Cooper Hearnes was married to Missouri Governor Warren Hearnes. Betty Cooper Hearnes served in the Missouri General Assembly and would be notable. Lurleen Wallace wife of Alabama Governor George Wallace is another example; Lurleen Wallace served as Governor of Alabama and died from cancer while still in office. I agree with User:RebeccaGreen that the article about Kathy Evers would be too soon. Consequently, I wanted to give examples that some spouses of United States state governors are notable in their own right. Thank you-RFD (talk) 13:30, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Being a political spouse is not an accomplishment. What does she do outside of that, which would be considered noteworthy? Trillfendi (talk) 17:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Spartaz 08:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Aram jafari

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources & fails WP:NACTOR and WP:ANYBIO Celestina007 (talk) 17:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:55, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
comment. Since it is a Persian article, it is basically found in Persian Misplaced Pages. Please search on google fa:آرام جعفری and i think get more source Persian language, According to Persian Misplaced Pages, she work multiple movie, i think she is probably notable something. So, i request to Relist-Nahal 00:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete. I check all of her Persian news source via translation, but i didn't find any reliable source. Fails WP:GNG. Maybe it's also WP:TOOSOON.-Nahal 19:29, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 11:43, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Aashna Chopra

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Non notable model & actress who fails WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG & WP:NACTOR. Celestina007 (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep: After some researches and clean up and I believe the article meet WP:GNG.Chris Calvin (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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DeleteNot notable and did not meet WP:GNG. --17:13, 30 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie Campbell (talk • contribs)

Few different sources claims he notability on being the first and only Southeast Asian on a cover of a L'Officiel Europe, also a few sources were used in the article and more to be find in the internet, so it is more likely to meet WP:GNG.Chris Calvin (talk) 23:03, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 19:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Alanna Panday

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of her. A WP:BEFORE shows passing mentions but nothing indepth and she appears to be related to a notable person Celestina007 (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy Delete She's popularly known for being Ananya Panday's cousin. Notability is not inherited. Clear case of WP:INVALIDBIO. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 15:14, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Sources don't meet the WP:GNG criteria. Jmertel23 (talk) 17:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete not even close to being a notable model.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:51, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Spartaz 15:31, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Timothy J. Edens

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Non notable soldier who lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 08:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. General officers are notable per WP:SOLDIER. And they have always been held to be so at AfD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Meets WP:SOLDIER part 2, "Held a rank considered to be a flag, general or air officer, or their historical equivalents." User: Jamesallain85 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesallain85 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - Subject passes WP:MILPERSON #2 as a brigadier general. CASSIOPEIA 08:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep meets WP:SOLDIER Mztourist (talk) 15:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep needs a lot of work, but meets WP:SOLDIER. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:17, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - my institutional memory is that we almost always keep articles about generals. A while ago (2010?) there was a debate about lower ranks. Bearian (talk) 18:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
~~Keep~~ per WP:SOLDIER#2; technically that ~~guideline~~ essay is subversive to GNG but that is never held to be the case in practice. Happy Festivities! // J 947 21:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Clicking on the WP:SOLDIER link took me to the section so I didn't see the essay template plastered at the top of the page. I'll change my opinion to neutral on balance of it being an essay and there being much consensus that this is widely-accepted (maybe it should be changed to a guideline, that section). Happy Festivities! // J 947 20:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep: As per nomination Kitaab Ka Kida (talk)
Delete The above comments are puzzling. What sources actually demonstrate that this person is notable? (noting that WP:SOLDIER is an essay). From Googling his name, he's attracted virtually no coverage outside of US military websites. The modern US military has large numbers of generals, and not all attract any interest outside of it. Edens' most prominent role seems to have been Commanding General and Director of Army Safety at the U.S. Army Combat Readiness/Safety Center which is obviously not a very high-profile role outside of the Army. Nick-D (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
- It's an essay that is almost invariably accepted as a notability standard by those writing military bios on Misplaced Pages. Generals are notable. This is a longstanding and accepted standard. So nothing puzzling about it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
  - That's not actually the case - the recent discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 152#Commodores and brigadiers revealed that a lot of editors who specialise in military history topics don't consider 1 star generals particularly notable. Moreover, WP:SOLDIER doesn't say that generals are automatically notable - it tates that "It is presumed that individuals will almost always have sufficient coverage to qualify" if they're a general, not that generals are automatically notable. From searching, I couldn't find independent sources to establish notability here. I'd ask that you and the editors who voted keep demonstrate the references which they think establish notability, and this should help to develop this article. Nick-D (talk) 02:11, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Passes WP:SOLDIER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NahalAhmed (talk • contribs) 20:46, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 18:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

John Chervinsky

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Non notable photographer who fails WP:ANYBIO & lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources Celestina007 (talk) 08:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep - His notability WP:ARTIST is verifiable, and he is well known in the Art-and-Science field. It seems a WP:BEFORE may not have been performed. The artist has two works in the collection of the Houston Museum of Fine Arts , three works in the collection of the Portland Art Museum . His work is covered significantly in scholarly article in "Issues in Science and Technology" journal An obituary here: more info . The Griffin Museum of Photography has an award named after him, the John Chervinsky Emerging Photographer Award. The article could be better sourced, and the writing could be improved, but those are not reasons for deletion. Netherzone (talk) 15:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

I've made some improvements to the article, adding collections, exhibitions and citations. Netherzone (talk) 16:13, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep Meets WP:ARTIST by virtue of museum collections.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep the subject does not have to meet ANYBIO, just the GNG. Which he does. There is sufficient significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Vexations (talk) 15:20, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:16, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Brzo Trči Ljanmi

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Non-notable rapper. Fails WP:SIGCOV. No fans, no plays. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. scope_creep 00:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete - run of the mill rapper; sources are videos and MTV-type shows. Ping me if you find decent English sources. Bearian (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete per nom. No significant coverage in reliable sources.--Wakowako (talk) 07:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Sandstein 08:36, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

William S. Romoser

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Fails WP:NPROF. Only other claim to notability is that he wrote a paper claiming that there are insects on Mars, but that seems to fail WP:BLP1E. Captain Eek ⚓ 02:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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~~Delete~~ - little evidence on hand to shore this one up as it stands - David Gerard (talk) 10:31, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Striking my "delete" based on discussion below - the article was obviously created because of recent notoriety over the bug silliness, but he sounds like his texts may have been noteworthy enough to pass - David Gerard (talk) 11:17, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
~~Weak delete~~ The book has about 350 citations, and he has two articles with over 100 citations. That looks a bit marginal, but between that and the media attention from the insects-on-mars affair, there might well be enough notability for a keep vote. My weak delete is per WP:BIODEL, where I'm interpreting the fact that he's set his webpage to private and stopped taking interview requests to mean that he'd likely also prefer not to have a Misplaced Pages page discussing his insects-on-mars poster. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak delete. As further evidence of a preference for privacy (whether on the subject or his institution's part) when I search for this incident I get stories about the university retracting the press release . I think this and the citation record for his other work is borderline enough that we should respect those wishes, however much fun insects on Mars might have been. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:23, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak delete per the two previous comments. --Tataral (talk) 12:05, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete not enough coverage to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. wrier of three major textbooks in his field. This qualifies by WP:PROF,. I se no reason why his other activities whould invalidate that. DGG ( talk ) 02:00, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- If those are actually important texts in the field, that might sway me - David Gerard (talk) 09:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
  - David Gerard, The Science of Entomology has 350+ citations according to GS. I think that's enough to indicate notability. I didn't see anything for the other two texts. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:35, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WP:NACADEMIC Csgir (talk) 12:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep passes WP:NPROF#4 Lightburst (talk) 17:45, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment I'm looking to build a consensus: The arguments for deletion (like my own) are that he's marginally notable, and may prefer not to have a Misplaced Pages article at this time. The argument for keep is that he's notable, perhaps marginally. Notability in both cases is mostly due to his textbook, supported by his articles and book chapters. Since we don't actually have a preference from the subject, perhaps we should agree to keep, but speedily delete upon request from the subject? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 13:18, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep per WP:NACADEMIC. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 01:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Weak keep in the absence of request from the subject. I'm still concerned about the privacy issues, but also have come to think that we should not try to guess the subject's preference. If he does request deletion as per WP:BIODEL, then the case for such deletion seems straightforward. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 22:13, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. Yunshui _水 10:14, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Diship Garg

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Fails GNG and NMUSIC. No sources I could find apart from spotify, amazon, etc links. It might be that sources in Hindi or Urdu are available which I am not privy to, but this far it looks like he's clearly non-notable. PK650 (talk) 05:27, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete - I tagged it for CSD A7. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Jikaoli Kol (talk) 17:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete does not meet the inclusion criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:10, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Yunshui _水 10:14, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Sono Aibe

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Fails GNG. Her claim to notability arises from being "Senior Program Advisor" at Pathfinder International, all other positions being run of the mill jobs in different organizations. On further inspection, PI doesn't list her in their Staff section, so in fact one could consider her role as advisor a minor one, or at least one that is not essential enough to be described online. That said, I did investigate and could not find independent sources apart from this one, which just mentions her role at PI in passing, and is a publication to which she's contributed in the past. Also found speaking engagements such as this one, which are obviously insufficient for establishing notability. Edit: for anyone wondering about her ACADEMIC credentials, she has a handful of published articles, each with 3 citations at most. PK650 (talk) 05:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete: Just not Misplaced Pages-notable; fails WP:GNG. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 20:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete. GNG notability not apparent, PROF highly unlikely. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:47, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:19, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Mariam Freimann

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Not a single independent reliable source available. Clearly fails GNG. PK650 (talk) 00:56, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable model.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:17, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete nothing in the article establishes notability Uhooep (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 01:22, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Tim Wildsmith

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Cannot find sources that provide more than just passing mention of the subject. Awards are local, not national. Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:52, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete does not meet notability criteria for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:13, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete A musician with no significant coverage in reliable sources. Mattg82 (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete my WP:BEFORE does not turn up any reliable sources to establish notability. Wm335td (talk) 21:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Tone 20:09, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Ethyl Smith

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Non notable “model maker” who fails WP:GNG & WP:BIO Celestina007 (talk) 14:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete The book she was featured in only seems to mention her in the acknowledgements as far as I can verify. Does not satisfy WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Achaea (talk) 20:43, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete per WP:GNG. I found a few mentions of her as long-time and respected hobbyist, but really nothing significant. There's a writer with the same name, who isn't notable either. Bearian (talk)
Speedy Delete Should be deleted using A7 criterion of speedy deletion. Don't really see why she is important. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 20:12, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Tone 20:09, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Sadhika Venugopal

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources and fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO and WP:NACTOR Celestina007 (talk) 14:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete per WP:BLP. Apart from social media, the only references are to some scandal. We are not a scandal rag. Bearian (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. DesertGold US, if you don't have a copy of this saved, please let me know by emailing me or posting to my talk page and I can email it to you. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:08, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Stephen Turley

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routine coverage in local genealogical sources only, and unreliable local histories DGG ( talk ) 02:54, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete Some information on Turley's activities may rightfully find a place on the page on the history of Lamine Township, Missouri. However he is not notable otherwise, and Misplaced Pages is not the place to publish a summary of the information you have found in doing Family History research. There is a reason I put off creating the article on Ward Eaton Pack and that I help off on digging up every source I could find using my mom's family history collection.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:06, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you for your thoughtful review. H B Lammers 23:52, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete -- This is clearly a well researched and interesting article, but belongs in a family history magazine or such like, but non-encylopaedic. I see no achievemetn that was notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 12:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Thank you for your kind remarks and thoughtful review.H B Lammers 23:52, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 13:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Vikas Vaibhav

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No indication of notability per WP:GNG or WP:BIO. ... discospinster _talk 02:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:25, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Sandstein 10:40, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

James Robertson (actor)

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Non notable actor falling short of WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG & WP:NACTOR. Celestina007 (talk) 02:02, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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delete. Nonnotable local actor. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Spartaz 08:57, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Vladimir Imakaev

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No claim to any notability. Fails WP:BIO. Mitte27 (talk) 22:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy delete per A7. Zero allegation of notability, except an |unverifiable claim that he was the first Christian author in Russia, which is not even wrong. Created and edited by SPAs Yoshi13 and Paddylopez. 19:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Speedy delete per Bearian above. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. JGHowes 03:56, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Sacha Nemcov

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What a mess. Appears to have been moved from AfC by 2 (now) blocked editors. Absolutely non-notable. 3 bad sources available, a blog interview discussing cryptocurrency, a newspaper article discussing local pot laws that mentions him in passing, and another blog post that mentions him in passing once. Therefore fails GNG by not having any real coverage in reliable, independent sources. PK650 (talk) 21:15, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete When an article starts by touting someones "academic credentials" and those are from a for proffit institution, this is pretty much a sure sign that it is overly promotional.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Some minor coverage, interviewed as blogs, profile pages. Logs of blog entries. Mercury news. Nothing else that I can see. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. scope_creep 10:24, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. czar 22:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Helen Tootsi

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Was thinking of doing an A7, but decided to bring to AfD to get a broader view. A WP:BEFORE gives no real RS on her outside of blogs/instagram accounts/commercial art sites (luckily, her name gives a very distinctive search term). I can't see any case for GNG here. There are claims in the article that she was a "director" on various Estonian realty tv-shows, but I can't find much on her, and I think she was probably one of several directors on these programs. Britishfinance (talk) 21:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. A search found a couple of minor mentions of the subject. This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. As of now, however, it fails to meet notability guidelines and does not pass WP:BIO. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 18:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete per nom. I found a few (minor) mentions through search, but nothing of any real substance. Agree that it may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. She has written a book, with mention in Postimees, the Estonian daily newspaper. In time, a possible Wiki article, but I don't think she meets notability yet. ExRat (talk) 18:18, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Only a few sources in one publication for her book, and no RS found for her work on TV shows, etc. If she writes more books and gets more reviews of them, she may become notable, but for now, WP:TOOSOON. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:48, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Jane Stuart (Quaker)

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This article is not notable. It fails WP:NPEOPLE. Interstellarity (talk) 15:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep Article could use improvement, but Stuart easily passes NPEOPLE, e.g. Wisbech Standard, BHO. Her legend is recounted at length in this online book (of which a free ebook is available.) HouseOfChange (talk) 20:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep Seems to be reasonable decent historical article with sufficient sourcing. scope_creep 09:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment I am working on cleaning up the article. I already removed a link to an article that only loosely connected to her.Will vote when finished. Leaning keep.DiamondRemley39 (talk) 01:27, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep per Notability:People. My major edits are complete, though I may play around with it further, as there seem to be more sources available. I found a surprising level of detail on her life considering it has all come about from oral histories. The article now focuses on facts of her life rather than their provenance. --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment (I already voted Keep above.) The article is now in better shape thanks to DiamondRemley39 but AfD is not cleanup. The bio subject clearly passes GNG. I suggest a speedy close rather than waiting for more SNOW to fall. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:10, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was redirect to Cox Enterprises. MBisanz 12:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Alexander C. Taylor

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nominating for a deletion and redirect after trying to boldly redirect it. There is no evidence that Alexander Taylor is notable independent of his position on several boards/as CEO. There is no in depth coverage and his name is generally only mentioned in passing or as a part of standard business publications. Praxidicae (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment. @Praxidicae: Not saying you are wrong but Taylor is the president and CEO of Cox Enterprises, a notable company. Its chair James C. Kennedy has its own page. Why do you think Kennedy should have it but Taylor should not? castorbailey (talk) 06:21, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

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Weak keep -from what I can see, he probably meets WP:GNG. Bearian (talk) 20:50, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Bearian, I see 9 results from news. 1 is the press release for his becoming COO, 2 & 3 are local news articles about that and his joining the company's board. 4 & 5 are about his grandma giving away her money. 6 is the announcement of his joining the board in his college newspaper. 7 is about Taylor Swift and Lamar Alexander. 8 is about Vanderbilt, his alma mater, whose board he is on. 9 is about wealthy American dynasties and mentions his name. What are you seeing? --valereee (talk) 16:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep.He's new as CEO but with family ownership he will be among the richest and most powerful for a long time.--12.144.5.2 (talk) 04:38, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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I see a lot of claims that he's notable but no one has provided any actual sources to establish that he is actually notable. Having a job (and being "rich") does not make one notable, nor does being in the family business. He doesn't have any coverage of him as an individual. Praxidicae (talk) 15:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect to Cox Enterprises. Being a COO isn't enough to show notability. Maybe he'll become notable, but right now he's just a CEO who serves on some charitable foundation boards just like every other COO/CEO. --valereee (talk) 16:28, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. czar 21:59, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Jenny Reeves

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The source was an unsuccessful parliamentary candidate and appears to have no other notability. DavidCane (talk) 18:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete per nom I attempted to have this speedy-deleted when it was created, but that was disputed. Jerry (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete: no sign of notability, only a candidate in the past election, shouldn't have been allowed to stay in the encyclopedia this long. PamD 12:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete. People do not get Misplaced Pages articles just for being candidates in elections they did not win — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable political office, not just running for one. But this does not demonstrate that she has preexisting notability for other reasons that would have gotten her an article independently of the candidacy, and is not referenced to anything even remotely approaching the depth and range and volume of coverage she would have to have to make her candidacy more special than everybody else's candidacies. Bearcat (talk) 14:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete people do not become notable merely by running for public office, it is in holding public office they become notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Failed candidates do not meet WP:NPOL. Bkissin (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete: Non-notable individual. Her only claim to fame is being an unsuccessful parliamentary candidate. Once again, candidates don't get articles for only being candidates. They have to have done something more significant or have won. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 09:16, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Had her vote reduced by 6.5% on 69% turnout, failing to get in. Non-notable. scope_creep 09:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete - run of the mill candidate who lost in a landslide. Bearian (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Sandstein 19:34, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Michael Berke

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Doesn't appear to be notable at all. The only relevant Google result is this very article, suggesting a lack of reliable sources (or sources, period) about Berke other than the mere five already cited in the article. Also worth noting that not only is there a conflict of interest here, as the article was created by the late subject himself, but according to this comment he made, he apparently "want story to mean something after gone" and "hope little notoriety as a transgendered person help to be heard on way out from this world" - not a very good reason to create an article on yourself, wouldn't you agree? Vaporgaze (talk) 14:38, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete This all is at best local human interest level coverage. Nothing here justifies having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:08, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. Subject was detailed in an Associated Press article, had two pieces of coverage that, while local, were still outside of subject's relevant geographic area of Colorado and Florida, and appeared on an MSNBC documentary. ミラ P 03:29, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete needs more widespread news coverage. Plus, every single one of us will be forgotten, sooner or later. Pancho507 (talk) 08:07, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete Low level human interest story. There have been many instances of changing gender and then reversing it, I'm sure this qualifies as anything out of the ordinary. With the article created by the subject and the comment left on the Jbhunley's talk page it sounds like he was desperate to be remembered, best to use other websites for that kind of thing. Mattg82 (talk) 00:45, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete AfD's like this are always tough as I understand the want to establish the legacy of those who have passed, but Misplaced Pages not a memorial and the coverage of Berke is not at the level necessary to establish GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

The result was delete. czar 19:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

John Rutger

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Non notable actor failing WP:GNG, WP:NBIO and WP:NACTOR. Celestina007 (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete the fact that his roles are not even specified makes it pretty clear they do not meet the definition of "significant".John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) ミラ P 04:23, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Greg Hsu

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Non notable actor failing WP:NACTOR, WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG Celestina007 (talk) 04:49, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep This actor meet WP:NACTOR#1 - he has starred the leading role in 2019 drama Some Day or One Day , and also starred a main role in 2016 drama Q Series: Love of Sandstorm. He has been nominated Best Supporting Actor at the 52nd Golden Bell Awards. Idolmm (talk) 08:23, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep Notable appearances and sourcing. Seems like an clear keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CmdrGibbons (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC) block evasion

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:51, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Roger Millar (engineer)

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State-level department head with no other political experience. There are no other cabinet appointees who have articles, let alone nationally for the heads of DOTs. His name turns up no results for most national news websites, except for a quote in The Washington Post. The local major newspaper, The Seattle Times, only has a few passing mentions of him after his appointment and confirmation. Sounder Bruce 03:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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@SounderBruce: What about Hilary Franz? You edited that one. KidAd (talk) 04:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Franz is an elected official who has had far more regional coverage. An appointee like Millar rarely gets a full profile or interview in a reliable source. Sounder Bruce 04:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

While Franz may be elected and Millar appointed, they receive about the same coverage from local sources. (Seattle Times, local TV stations, etc.) Franz hardly has a "national" profile. KidAd (talk) 04:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when somebody can write and source something much better than this. At the state level, nationalizing coverage is not as essential as it is at the municipal level — it certainly wouldn't hurt if there were some, but at the state level of office there's no inherent requirement for there to be any. What's more determinative here, rather, is that three of the four footnotes are primary sources that are not support for notability at all, with just one piece of real, notability-supporting reliable source media coverage shown at all. This is a role where an article would be fine if you could get him over WP:GNG on the quality and depth of sourcing, not an "inherently" notable role for which he would be entitled to keep an article that has to depend almost entirely on primary sources — but on a Google search, I'm not seeing any real evidence that Millar has equivalent coverage to Hilary Franz: I'm seeing a lot of sources that glancingly namecheck his existence in the context of being about transportation projects in the state, but not a lot of sources that are about him for the purposes of establishing his notability. I will note that his predecessor, Lynn Peterson, does not have an article at all — I've only been able to find one earlier holder of this role who does have an article, Sid Morrison, and he has an article for having been a member of the United States House of Representatives, not for this role per se. This role would be enough if the sourcing were better — but it's not a role where it would be so critically important to keep an article about him that he would be exempted from having to show better sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 14:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Bearcat, the question I have is whether appointed state level cabinet officials are "generally regarded as notable" (see WP:POLOUTCOMES #1) or is the standard you are proposing the "article should say more than just "Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville"" (WP:POLOUTCOMES #2). If the former, then the article should be kept (as it is unquestioned that the subject holds a cabinet position in the Washington State government). If the latter, I am finding a bunch of sources about the subject around the time of his appointment (August 2016) (e.g. this Seattle Times article or this article from the Everett Herald). --Enos733 (talk) 18:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep I believe that appointed state level cabinet officials are "generally regarded as notable" (see WP:POLOUTCOMES #1). There is no question the subject serves is the state's Secretary of Transportation (and a member of the State's executive cabinet). I think the amount of sourcing (even as much of it is largely quotes) is sufficient to develop a article that is much more than "he exists." --Enos733 (talk) 05:20, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as page creator Keep per WP:POLOUTCOMES #1 and WP:GNG. KidAd (talk) 05:27, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep, has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. (There is also a plausible argument to be made that it would facilitate properly encyclopedic coverage of state policy issues to have articles about top-level officials regardless of GNG, but there's no need to address that here.) Article seems fine. -- Visviva (talk) 21:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 09:37, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Don Anderson (mayor)

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Disputed PROD. Mayor of a minor suburban city (ranked 12th in the Seattle metro area by population) who has not held another office. His only national coverage came from a single incident (a train derailment) but has not persisted and was never focused on him. Even The Seattle Times, the largest metro newspaper, only has ten articles that mention him, with only one centered around him. Sounder Bruce 03:53, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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~~Keep as page creator~~ ~~I think User:SounderBruce makes a clear enough case for the subject's notability. National coverage for a major event? Only ten Seattle Times mentions? KidAd (talk) 04:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)~~

I would also appreciate a source for the "12th-largest city in the Seattle Metro area". Per this, it only reveals that Lakewood is not one of four major cities in the Seattle metro area. KidAd (talk) 04:22, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:BIO1E makes your point about national coverage moot, as it was not sustained and ultimately not directly connected to him. I'm going off the 2018 Census estimate, which can be easily parsed from List of cities in Washington. Sounder Bruce 04:54, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Then local and regional coverage will have to do. 10 Seattle Times mentions isn't nothing. And per WP:POLOUTCOMES, "Municipal politicians are not inherently notable just for being in politics, but neither are they inherently non-notable just because they are in local politics. Each case is evaluated on its own individual merits. Mayors of cities of at least regional prominence have usually survived AFD, although the article should say more than just "Jane Doe is the mayor of Cityville". Mayors of smaller towns, however, are generally deemed not notable just for being mayors, although they may be notable for other reasons in addition to their mayoralty" Using this metric, Anderson should survive AFD because the article states more than "Don Anderson is the Mayor of Lakewood"; it also mentions his "other reasons" (i.e. the train crash) KidAd (talk) 05:05, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete - fails GNG, as interpreted by NPOL. He's a local politician with no sustained widespread coverage for anything else (except commenting on a disaster, which does not show notability), and the nature of his political career does not rise to the level any presumption of notability would occur. It doesn't matter in the slightest how much his political career is covered in Seattle. It isn't anywhere else, and being the mayor of a suburb is not an automatic notability pass. Sorry our new colleague is having trouble understanding this, but unless this fella climbs higher on the political pole, he's not going to have a chance for a Misplaced Pages bio. John from Idegon (talk) 05:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

If I am the "new colleague" you're referring to, I would like to point out that I have been editing Misplaced Pages for several years, and exactly two with a registered account. While I respect your opinion, I do not appreciate your condescension. KidAd (talk) 05:32, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete. Lakewood is not large enough to hand all of its mayors an automatic presumption of notability just because they exist, but the sourcing here is not rising to the level necessary to get him over the bar. The existence of a few hits of local media coverage is not automatically enough to get a mayor over the bar — every mayor of everywhere can always show some evidence of purely local coverage, so if that were all it took then we would always have to keep an article about every mayor who exists, and no mayor would ever fall below the notability bar anymore. Which is why we have a longstanding consensus that mayors of smaller towns and cities have to show evidence of nationalized significance to qualify for articles — but the very small amount of "nationalized" coverage shown here isn't sufficient to demonstrate that — it's about a train derailment and just includes Anderson giving soundbite, which is not the same thing as coverage that has Anderson as its subject. The key to making a mayor notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article is to document the importance of his mayoralty, not just the existence of it — and if a mayor has just eight footnotes of which two are primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, three are routine verification of election results, and three are not about him but just mention his name in the context of being about a non-political event that happened in the city, then he's falling on the wrong side of that distinction. Bearcat (talk) 14:00, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete some cities of 58,000 are major regional centers. Lakewood is not the largest city in its county, and even the largest city Tacoma, is overshadowed by the true heart of the urban region, Seattle. Lakewood is not even a regionally significant city, so by no measure is the mayor going to be default notable. The sourcing is atrocious otherwise.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Bibigul Tulegenova

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Delete Article is promotional in tone, not encyclopedic. InvarBurke (talk) 16:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. article is in a slightly different tone, but its not promotional--it's just the standard tone in the Russian Misplaced Pages, where biographical articles are written in a form more like an outline than we do here. . The article needs some revisions, but not deletion. As for notability , she is covered in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, and we always consider that people covered in the standard national encyclopedias are notable. For some reason, this reference was not carried over into the enWP, but I added it. It can be difficult to judge the importance of Soviet era awards with those more familiar to us, but two Order of Lenin awards, plus the ero of Socialist Labor (1991). People's Artist of the USSR (1967). Laureate of the USSR State Prize (1970) are more than sufficient to confirm the notability. There was a real problem, but I fixed it--a note giving the source of the original needs to be added, as for all translations from another wikipedia. DGG ( talk ) 18:48, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. She is a People's Artist of the USSR and a USSR State Prize winner. --Moscow Connection (talk) 04:04, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Tulegenova was a deputy to the seventh through ninth convocations of the Supreme Soviet of the Kazakh SSR. She has received the Kuliash Baiseitova State Prize of the Kazakh SSR (1966) and the State Prize of the USSR (1970). She has also been awarded the Order of Lenin, the Order of the Red Banner of Labor, and various medals. --Aselhan (talk) 05:52, 15 December 2019 (UTC)aselhan

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Keep per the above comments. Passes WP:ANYBIO with multiple state awards (1) and an entry in the The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (3). She also received widespread coverage on Kazakh press sustained over the years. --MarioGom (talk) 15:36, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep: meets ANYBIO with multiple national award. According to this source (Astana Opera), there's also a competition named after Bibigul Tulegenova: "The Queen of Opera Stage Bibigul Tulegenova Delighted Her Admirers". --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:49, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Passes on the awards alone, plus numerous substantial references to her on Google books. I've added 2 English language refs to lengthy news articles, linked to the English version of the article in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, and formatted and clarified the remaining refs. The article is still pretty rough around the edges, but this can be easily fixed with copyediting, wikifying. etc. Voceditenore (talk) 12:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep.Bibigul Tulegenova is one of the very famous singers in Kazakhstan, she received several national prizes and served as a deputy, and there is information about her in the wiki encyclopedia.Mussir Aidana (talk) 15:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)Mussir Aidana

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Aziz Mohammad Bhai

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This was created in 2015 describing the living person as an "alleged crime-boss" inter alia. It had a single source at the time, which did not substantiate those allegations. It still has the same single source now, which still does not substantiate those allegations. This is after I removed a number of sources which were not about the subject, some of which did not mention the subject, recently, after a complaint at WP:BLPN. I therefore described the original as an attack page. With or without the removal of the additional sources, there are not enough sources for the subject to pass WP:GNG nor WP:BIO. To maintain proper regard for WP:BLP, this should be deleted. MPS1992 (talk) 23:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Weak Keep. Since I have added references, there are now references in the article. Bangladesh's national media coverage, as seen by article sources and a quick Google search, Indicates the Subject Pass WP:GNG.-Nahal 10:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
keep : He has produced over 50 films. otherwise According to Bangladesh's national media coverage WP:GNG pass. --DelwarHossain (talk) 14:49, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as per DelwarHossain, although more citations may make it strong enough to pass wp:gng Shubhi89 (talk) 09:39, 20 December 2019 (UTC)— Shubhi89 (talk • contribs) has made Single-purpose account outside this topic.

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Weak Keep - Sourcing seems thorough enough, though the entry could use further cleaning up. CmdrGibbons (talk) 14:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)CmdrGibbons

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The result was keep. Sources have been presented that demonstrate that the subject meets WP:GNG. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 11:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Jennifer Mee

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I considered nominating this for CSD WP:G4, but the previous AFD was almost ten years ago, and I have no idea if the article content is substantially similar, so perhaps it's better to bring this to AFD for consideration. I essentially agree with the previous nominator, and I don't believe anything has changed since then. This is a borderline WP:BLP1E and WP:PERP fail, with the obvious caveat that she is known for two things. However, it is still really no more than a case of someone having 15 minutes of fame for one trivial curiosity, and then briefly raising to public consciousness again because an otherwise fairly unremarkable robbery-murder happened to be committed by someone who had previously been a media curiosity, and the press can never resist that. Hug 11:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep WP:GNG is easily met with multiple WP:RSs. The nominator ignores our guidelines for WP:N and WP:V and makes a vague wave at a WP:BLP1E claim which clearly does not apply...I am sure the nominator knows that WP:BLP2E does not exist. The rationale seems to be someone didn't like it before, so WP:IDONTLIKEIT now. FYI: The subject was world famous for her medical condition, and then again world famous for her crime. We keep articles which meet the heavier burden of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. See: Juli Briskman AfD which I argued against keeping - I was wrong. Jennifer Mee has been in the news more than 10 years with WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. She has received international coverage in reliable sources. This is an easy keep. Lightburst (talk) 15:10, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
~~Keep~~ WP:GNG is easily met. Indeed, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Mee and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Mee (2nd nomination) establish that yet again. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
How does the 2nd nomination establish "yet again" that GNG is easily met, when the 2nd nomination ended in delete consensus? – Leviv ich 17:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I improved sourcing — no longer the article it was when first nominated for deletion — and WP:Hey applies. Given the present sourcing, WP:Notability established by multiple WP:RS. Q.E.D., WP:Before was clearly violated; you are supposed to do a search, and nominate ONLY when the article is unsalvageable. WP:Preserve WP:Not paper WP:I don't like it is no justification for this time waster. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:16, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Snow Keep for reasons set forth above. User:Hugsyrup 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:22, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep Passes WP:BASIC. For example, here's another source published by the Harvard University Press. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WP:SNOW Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep, but it's not SNOW – Pardon me for saying so, but the four keep !votes above should be tossed, and I'm happy to elaborate on that on my talk page. Here's a real keep !vote, one with sources: the article subject meets WP:BASIC per St Petersburg Times via Chicago Tribune 2007, AFP via NYT 2007, NYT 2010, The Telegraph (UK) 2010, ABA Journal 2010, ABA Journal 2013, AP via People 2013 , and One Breath Away, a 448-page true crime book written by M. William Phelps and published by Kensington Books in 2016. The 2nd nomination resulted in delete, but it was written in 2010, and we now have a number of new RSes with which to write an article, including the full-length book. – Leviv ich 18:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment User:Levivich It is nice that you voted "!keep". I appreciate your research. You proved what we knew: that there was no compliance with WP:Before.However, your gratuitous slap is unwelcome. unbecoming, unhelpful, uncivil and wrong. Keep your views about other editors's votes to yourself. I, for one, would never disparage your conduct or vote. I WP:AGF, which is something that you should reacquaint yourself.That being said, it would be nice if you actually added to the article (these sources would help), and didn't just drive by and flag wave sources at the AFD. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:10, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Here's a comment on the content. If, like me, you were thinking that parts of the article seemed to be copied and pasted without regard for flow, punctuation, etc, Earwig says: you're right! I've removed or rewritten the copy/pastes that I spotted, and I have placed an appropriate user warning, but if you spot more, please follow WP:C and do what's needed to keep us in line with our copyright policies. Indignant Flamingo (talk) 20:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment Misplaced Pages is about fostering the community of editors and building the encyclopedia. See Misplaced Pages:Here to build an encyclopedia. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Agreed 7&6=thirteen. All of us volunteering our time to build an encyclopedia ...and some here for the friction. Lightburst (talk) 21:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep Sources have been found proving this passes the general notability guidelines. She got coverage for being hiccup girl, then for her crime. Dream Focus 20:44, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep passes the minimum requirements for WP:ANYBIO. Also thanking the nominator for bringing this here, however it turns out, as they have allowed us to establish a consensus one way or the other, an opportunity which would have been lost if they had taken the "easy option" and tagged G4. I also note that the only editors who actually (in the vernacular) "toss" !votes are the closing admin; yet, when they do, they studiously avoid using loaded, pergorative terms such as that :) ——SN 54129 20:53, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - passes GNG. _Talk 📧 23:10, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - Per sourcing. Per WP:GNG. Subject has received plenty of third party media attention.BabbaQ (talk) 10:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Skyler Bible

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Non notable actor failing WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:NACTOR Celestina007 (talk) 08:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete not enough sourcing to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:22, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Rowan Winch

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Non notable social media user who has not been covered with in-depth in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 07:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete mutliple extremely passing mentions do not add up to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment I'm currently neutral leaning toward delete, question for Celestina007: are you asserting that the "Here's What's Happening in the American Teenage Bedroom" NYT article doesn't constitute WP:SIGCOV? (that article title, by the way, is clickbait if I've ever seen it....) _{a creffett franchise} (talk to the boss) 20:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Another comment: I strongly suspect that the article's creator is also the subject - the creator's username is "Zucc11cs," which sure looks like the Instagram handle of the subject, "Zuccccccccccc" ("Zucc with 11 Cs"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creffpublic (talk • contribs) 20:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Creffett For your first question I believe the article isn’t sufficient enough per WP:GNG I don’t see any WP:INDEPTH sigcov originating in the article & as per your second comment, I commend your intelligence there because I didn’t notice that before but as you have pointed it out it explains the heavy disruptive edits that Zucc11cs was engaged in earlier on a different article(which was eventually speedy deleted)where he repeatedly removed maintainance tags without addressing the issues and also wrongly removed speedy delete tags. I see now that the issue was a WP:COI all along.Celestina007 (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete passing mentions don't meet WP:GNG. -DJSasso (talk) 12:48, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete per WP:SNOW, WP:TNT, and WP:SIGCOV. Even the Grey lady makes mistakes. There is some evidence that this is an undisclosed autobiography. Bearian (talk) 16:33, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 08:19, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Jobeth Devera

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Not meeting WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Hitro talk 07:01, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete, no independent, reliable sources in the article. I couldn't find any while searching online, either. Mcampany (talk) 07:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete a non-notable TV host.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 16:38, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Max Candy

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:NCREATIVE: Besides industry press releases/promo, I found only passing mentions of this person as the director of non-notable pornographic films and the recipient of industry awards that don't count towards anything now that PORNBIO has been deprecated. Cheers, gnu 57 05:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable adult film director.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Courtney Johnston

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Non notable museum professional failing WP:BIO. Celestina007 (talk) 02:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete I saw an interview in a book called Museums and Digital Culture: New Perspectives and Research, but that's not the best kind of source. Other than that the coverage seems to be announcements of someone doing their job, or announcements of how they have been selected to do a job. Nothing particularly notable here, yet.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:49, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak keep, director of the national museum.-gadfium 03:32, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep She has been the director of the Dowse Art Museum and has just been made the chief executive of the national museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa. Noahe123 (talk) 03:45, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from those positions. There has to be SIGCOV in independent sources. There are hundreds of major museum directors that nobody writes about and who are not notable.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:42, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep - The subject is a radio correspondent for the national Radio New Zealand, an executive director of a national museum, and she has won awards. Notability has been shown via reliable sources. Easily passes WP:BIO and WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 05:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@AuthorAuthor: thank you for the work on the article, but the recently added sources are all trivial coverage:

"The Earl D. Bader Award for Exceptional Creative Writing in the Augustine and Culture Seminar was awarded to Courtney Johnston ’22 CON for her essay “At First a Rushing Wind,” written for Timothy Horner, PhD."
Arts commentator Courtney Johnston to judge Rotorua Museum Art Awards is basically an event announcement, saying she will judge something. A basic PR blurb.

Comment The ref I used was as a source for other information in the article, not that she was judging something, which, as you no doubt noticed, I did not include in the article. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 06:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

yes, I see that. It's still trivial coverage.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I removed the source "Te Papa founding chief executive Dame Cheryll Sotheran dies after long illness" as it did not mention Courtney Johnson at all, nor did it support the claim it was used for in the article ("and she became the first woman to hold the position since its founding leader, the late Dame Cheryll Sotheran, was appointed in 1992.").
Additionally, the two awards now in the article are a "Winston Churchill Trust Scholarship" and a PHD program writing award. The first, the "Winston Churchill Shcholarship" was actually a travel grant. The trust gives out fellowships as well; their site does not list her as a fellow. These are not a big deal. The second was a school awards. Every school gives out hundreds or thousands of these a year. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

I've take out the writing award, as it was given to someone who is clearly a different Courtney Johnson on a different continent.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep. Head of a country's national museum should be enough, and we have in-depth coverage in major national news sources to back it up. The earlier coverage for Dowse and RNZ avoids any issues with WP:BIO1E. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:55, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep, being appointed as ceo of NZ's national museum shows Johnston is "is regarded as an important figure" so meets WP:CREATIVE. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:29, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:CREATIVE is for artists, not museum directors. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

so not for people associated with the arts .... okay then WP:ANYBIO "widely recognised contribution" in the field of the arts, reflected by her appointment to one of the top jobs in NZ arts. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:26, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

If you mean "The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field", then no. I believe keep !voters are confusing having a job with notability. There is nothing to say about her based on the coverage other than she had a couple of jobs. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 12:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep Leading the national museum should be enough and the various sources go into enough depth. Schwede 66 17:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep Without her being named chief executive of Te Papa, I would have been a bit skeptical. But now she definitely seems sufficiently notable. (Besides, I generally tend to be an 'inclusionist'.) Ross Finlayson (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak keep Director of a national museum. Was the director of the Dowse Art Museum and now the chief executive of the national museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa Lightburst (talk) 04:43, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WP:CREATIVE, which contrary to the enthusiastic User:ThatMontrealIP's "is for artists, not museum directors" is in fact for "Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals" - in to which I'd be inclined to group museum directors. Obvs, ymmv, but at least try not to mislead by very selective omissions. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:30, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as argued by the keep !votes above. XOR'easter (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - There is enough to pass notability criteria for WP:BIO and WP:GNG, possibly WP:CREATIVE - altho as pointed out above, curators and museum directors are not specifically listed, but one could interpret "creative professionals" would fit the latter. Netherzone (talk) 16:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per many of the above. Clearly notable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:33, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. RL0919 (talk) 02:01, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Arvind Akela Kallu

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Subject of article fails WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR and finally WP:ANYBIO. Celestina007 (talk) 01:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Extremely puffy promotional article with a dearth of sourcing. The sources given in the article are not reliable / independent, and on a search I'm not finding enough in-depth sources to pass WP:NACTOR, WP:NSPORT, or WP:GNG. The No.wiki article is similarly undersourced.

On a search, I found an article that described him as "relatively unknown" and stated that he appears in a "small role called 'Russian bodyguard'". The rest of it is mostly fluffy interview - "how was it on set?" etc. There's also two pieces in the (regional) Sorlandet edition of NPK that are basically the same kind of "Local boy wants to make it big in Hollywood" pieces - and .

I don't believe it's sufficient to pass any of the notability criteria mentioned above. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete I can't find any additional sources besides this interview, which is duplicated here. Neither site strikes me as reliable. Skeletor3000 (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I would like to contest this deletion, we could improve the proof of Daniel Stisen for Misplaced Pages. I read that you do not find the articles relative, then we can provide more proof. Stisen has been in the limelight for more then 15 years, included two documentary about his life, he has done celebrity reality shows in Norway, at least two of the articles at NRK was the most read of the week in the whole country. He has more then 40 film credits over the last 5 years and he was among the top three most famous bodybuilders in Norway an decade ago. He is one of the leading roles in a new Netflix film. All this can proof thought links from major media pages I would like to provide asap and IMDB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrMuscle007 (talk • contribs)

Preserve - My name is James Keating and I am an Oxford-based author and 24-year veteran screenwriter. I've known Daniel Stisen for five-years and in that time, we've worked together on nine different films. I am very surprised that there is any question of his eligibility for a Misplaced Pages entry. Like I say, Daniel and I have collaborated many times, with him as the lead actor and in projects of considerable note. I would be happy to update his Wiki entry myself, accrediting and corroborating his latest achievements and also to reflect his current standing in the industry. I must start by drawing attention to a prominent article published only three-months ago, announcing him as the joint third lead in a Netflix film, by Oscar-winning producer Alain Depardieu, https://www.filmneweurope.com/news/romania-news/item/118660-production-original-netflix-production-back-2-back-shoots-in-Romania makeajesting (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

James, you may want to read our conflict-of-interest guideline, which discourages the editing of articles where one has an off-wiki relationship with the subject. The article you linked is merely a production announcement that mentions the subject's name. It is not substantially about the subject and does not count as a reliable source for the purpose of showing notability. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning the COI. I'd like to add that, if we find sources that establish the subject's notability, it would be acceptable for User:Makeajesting to suggest additional sources on the article's talk page. Skeletor3000 (talk) 17:25, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete - I'm sorry, but while we have to assume that this was written in good faith, as an encyclopedia, Misplaced Pages does not publish original research. After 18 years, however, everyone should know what Misplaced Pages is, and what it is not. A 24-year-old is not a "veteran" even if one does have six films' experience. Now, if I were to cut out all of the original research in this essay, there would be very little to write a "stub" article. If you want me to edit it, please "ping" me, and I'll go ahead. Bearian (talk) 18:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. RL0919 (talk) 01:52, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Stephanie Korey

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Subject of the page is not notable, while there is normally a presumption under WP:NOTABLE that Significant Coverage presumes the source should have an article, it is worth noting that a lot of the content in here relates to the company Away, rather than this person. Propose moving most content to a page on the company and deleting this BLP. Ethanmayersweet (talk) 21:09, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable businesswoman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Even before the recent kerfuffle, she was the founder of a widely-covered unicorn, received significant coverage in that role, and ended up on multiple notable-people lists. Now, as a poster child for the unicorn excesses and bad management, she's even more clearly notable. One of Misplaced Pages's most important functions is helping people learn about something or someone in the news, so at the very least any decision about notability should wait until we see how things settle after this current wave of press attention. William Pietri (talk) 22:01, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep She co-founded a highly-valued start up and then became subject to intense media coverage due to the workplace culture. She has quite a bit of notable news coverage and will likely continue to remain a public figure in some capacity. Seems like an easy keep. Bwabwa7 (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Strong Keep for reasons cited above. --JumpLike23 (talk)
Weak Keep Keep for posterity because of her current and previous positions at notable companies but the state of the article atm needs much expansion if she is as widely covered as people say she is. Right now it just reads like condensed PR. -- BriefEdits (talk) 00:01, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Yunshui _水 14:47, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Michael Nwokolo

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Subject of article is about a supposed police officer who is also “the first ever professor” in Nigerian law enforcement but even the references provided in article (of which only two non notable blogs discuss him) this claim is said to be spurious. Article is also very gossipy. Celestina007 (talk) 12:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Comment I don't think this article should be deleted as i had to gather some of these information through independent sourced. The article is not gossipy and other notable sources will be added ASAP — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxfreak01 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete Article fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:RS. The sources found are mostly passing mentions and articles about how he's suing a group of people for challenging his certificate or degree. 14:46, 12 December 2019 (UTC)Lapablo (talk)
Delete I toned down a few flowery prose sections, but the brief notoriety he had was for a viral social media thing, and that's about it. Some of the citations to the local newspapers only list "Correspondents" as the author, which is curiously vague. ValarianB (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete. I can't verify that the supposed United Nations Humanitarian Ambassador Peace Award Ghana actually exists or has anything to do with the UN. And the only other claim to fame here, that he was "the first Nigerian Police officer to attain or appointed as a Professor", doesn't sound particularly notable (how many retired police officers have become academics? probably many) and is cast into doubt by reference 12 of the article which points out that the "Green Hills University Denmark, Africa Campus" to which he was supposedly appointed is a fly-by-night unaccredited "dubious university". —David Eppstein (talk) 21:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America 11:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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Subject of article is a supposed actor but he fails WP:NACTOR . Although I should mention that I did a before search and could only come up with a blog that discusses him. Celestina007 (talk) 10:19, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Spartaz 17:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Graham Ogilvy

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Non notable author and journalist who has no in-depth coverage in reliable sources. A WP:BEFORE shows subject of article isn’t notable at least not now. Celestina007 (talk) 19:12, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was keep, albeit weakly. BD2412 T 04:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Tjan (musician)

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Subject of article lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Furthermore the references provided in the article doesn’t establish notability for subject of article. He fails WP:SINGER & WP:GNG Celestina007 (talk) 20:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete: clearly fails both GNG and NMUSIC. PK650 (talk) 01:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak keep - this is not so clear a case. One problem for finding coverage is that his name is, coincidentally, common in southeastern Asia. Goolging his name is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. There's a popular bartender/DJ in New Jersey named Cat Tjan, a writer named Mark Tian for a music insider guide, a beloved University of Southern California professor named Bosco Tjan whose murder made national news, and a documentary film producer in Upstate New York with a similar name. I found he was signed by Universal Music, was covered regularly by Nigeria's version of Entertainment Today, and lots of gossip rags that I won't deign to link. On the other hand, coverage of his nominations for awards are mere listings. I think he's barely there. Bearian (talk) 16:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but how does that stack up against NMUSIC? Gossip rags are not reliable sources, being signed to a label doesn't establish notability, and are any of those nominations notable? PK650 (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Bearian, I think PK650 is right and from your own observations and remarks it provides a good rationale for why the article should indeed be deleted. If he is up and coming and perhaps in the future would get notable then this is a case of WP:TOOSOON article may be recreated at a time when there are reliable sources we can work with what do you think/say?Celestina007 (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

- See WP:NMUSIC good coverage can pass criteria 1 as can another criteria of having two albums released on a major label though he only has singles so doesn't pass that one, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
  - Could you provide such sources? I only found this one, which I can't access for some reason. PK650 (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as he has significant coverage in reliable sources as specified by Bearian such as Nigeria Tribune and has also been nominated for a notable award The Headies 2016, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Of the sources presented above, two are short event announcements, one is a photo gallery, and I am unsure as to the reliability of the other two (musicinafrica & thenet.ng). I am just not seeing "good coverage" in reliable sources. PK650 (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I have seen some problem with the sources. If someone can't get better sources, it might not be kept. I still have an open mind. Bearian (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The Tribune ref seems sig cov in a reliable source and his award and noms are covered in some of the others, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:50, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

In any case the Tribune article would be one source, not significant coverage. Award nomination articles listing him among others is also not significant coverage. What needs to be determined is whether these Nigerian awards are evidence of notability, a fact which nobody here has been able to prove/disprove. PK650 (talk) 10:20, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Weak keep, having been nominated for several Nigerian national music awards and won one. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Weak Keep. as per User:Bearian.-Nahal 23:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Yunshui _水 10:18, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Shintaro Morimoto

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A similar article has been once deleted. Subject of article fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:NACTOR Celestina007 (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep per "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." The previous article was deleted via WP:PROD since it was unsourced, and has no bearing on this iteration. —Xezbeth (talk) 13:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep- The subject is notable, had multiple significant role in notable films and TV series therefore passing WP:NACTOR. Andrew Base (talk) 11:22, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Spartaz 15:32, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Subrata Barua (actor)

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Subject of article doesn’t possess in-depth coverage in reliable source independent of him. Fails WP:NACTOR. Celestina007 (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Weak Keep. Since it is a Bangladeshi article, it is basically found in Bengali Misplaced Pages. Please search on google bn:সুব্রত_(অভিনেতা) and review sources via transliteration. 1 2 3 He work multiple movie and those source can be passed to WP:GNG.-Nahal 09:08, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep Acted in a lot of films. There's a complete list in Bangla Misplaced Pages. I think some of them are notable film in Bangladesh. It's seems to be there are also coverage in newspaper about this actor. --Shahidul Hasan Roman (talk) 09:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Michig (talk) 08:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Mohammad Qomi

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Per notability guideline for biographies. Personasiran (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep - as head of an established religion and quasi-governmental authority, he's notable twice over. Bearian (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. Agree with what Bearian said.--SharabSalam (talk) 09:12, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep as a Hujjat al-Islam he’s likely to be notable, and his public position definitely gets him over. Mccapra (talk) 05:17, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. Pass WP:GNG (non-admin closure) -Nahal 20:37, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Hedayatollah Behboudi

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Per Misplaced Pages:Notability (books) and Misplaced Pages:Notability Personasiran (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. The sourcing in this article seems perfectly adequate unless the nominator wants to explain how it falls short of our notability criteria. Mccapra (talk) 04:53, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - the English sources check out. Is this an WP:IDONTLIKE nom? Bearian (talk) 18:18, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Kind of split opinion, but I find the delete arguments more convincing since the sources are not strong. Tone 13:30, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Sunshine Shen

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Model and supposed businessperson with a few appearances, including a Playboy cover, but lacking the significant coverage required by WP:GNG, and no evidence of the large fanbase or innovative contributions required by WP:NMODEL. Full disclosure: there were several more sources before I stripped most of them out of the article, so I encourage you to assess the article as I found it. I think you will find, as I did, that these additional sources are largely interviews (not independent), mostly in questionable and/or self-published sources, or a photo gallery that adds nothing as a source. Hug 09:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete per nom. Miter128 (talk) 10:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete a non-notable model.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep A model featured on the cover of Playboy and FHM magazine, with a feature in Maximm is notable. She is an International Playboy model Additional covers. Bsquared Magazine Passes WP:NMODEL Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.. In addition, I consider it poor form to fillet the article by deleting 5 of the 7 sources and then say it does not pass WP:GNG. The purpose of an AfD is for the participants to decide. We already know what the AfD nominator thinks and diminishing the content is poor form. I can add reliable sources to the article if the nominator can agree not to strip them out based on their preference for deletion. Lightburst (talk) 18:40, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- I'm awfully sorry that you consider it 'poor form'. However, I started working on removing the clearly non-reliable sources before eventually accepting that the article was better off going to AFD. Reverting all of my changes first seemed a little unnecessary. I knew someone would object, which is why I explicitly called it out in my nomination statement, included a link to a version of the article before I had touched it, and added a brief explanation of what I objected to in those sources. Knowing Misplaced Pages, I should have known that someone would still manage to get upset, but I don't think I'm going to lose any sleep over it. Hug 09:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep Medium.com is used as a reference in 862 Misplaced Pages articles. They gave her significant coverage and said she had a notable following of 400,000 followers on Instagram. Is there high for famous people? Does it count as a large cult following? She had ample coverage in FHM She meets WP:NMODEL. "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Magazine covers would be considered "other production". She did have a significant role in these notable publications. Askmen is used in 174 Misplaced Pages articles. That seems like a reliable source giving her significant coverage as well. So the WP:GNG seem to have been met as well. Dream Focus 21:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Dream Focus: While I endorse the WP:NMODEL argument, WP:RSP states that Medium is a self-published source should never be used as a secondary source for living persons. ミラ P 00:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- It seems to me to be stretching the definition of WP:NMODEL almost to breaking point to suggest that a magazine cover is equivalent to a film, tv show or stage performance, or that it is what is meant by 'other productions'. The other examples in this criteria are all the subject of reviews, criticism and sometimes books or academic study, much of which is sustained long after the work is complete. Magazine covers are essentially throwaway items that are very rarely the subject of any secondary coverage at all, and using them to establish notability simply because they fit a technical definition of 'productions' is, honestly, absurd. Hug 09:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Dream Focus, you link to Medium and say "They" give her significant coverage. Who are "they"? Not Medium.com, surely. And are "they" a reliable source that confers notability? Anyone could log into Medium dot com and give their cat "significant coverage". ApLundell (talk) 16:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per Dream Focus. Also see my comment above. ミラ P 00:58, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep Three sources are added to the article, magzter.com, brobible.com and voyagela.com. These sources are used in many Misplaced Pages articles. Sambroanna (talk) 10:16, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Being used in many articles does not make them reliable/independant. Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Delete – doesn't meet GNG; even with the new sources recently added to the article, none meet GNG. Brobible is not in-depth. Magzter, FHM, Askmen, and VoyageLA are all interview transcriptions, and thus not independent. Medium.com is not an RS; it's red on WP:RSP. – Leviv ich 21:51, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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~~Keep~~ She has been featured for Playboy Romania in March 2016.(Redacted) Playboy it's green on WP:RSP Sambroanna (talk) 05:10, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
@Sambroanna: That's for the articles and interviews, says nothing about modeling. Also, ever read WP:LINKVIO? ミラ P 00:46, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Struck duplicate !vote. Happy Festivities! // J 947 20:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect The only logical choice here; simply redirect to the month she represented in Playboy. Other than that she is not expressly notable—be honest. Trillfendi (talk) 17:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
delete the keep arguments are mostly bullshit and should be ignored.Spartaz 23:45, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Delete Medium is a blog site, not a publication with editorial control, and is patently unreliable. As Levivich mentions above, the remaining sources are not indepth/are interviews and thus not independant (not that brobible for one seems particularly reliable regardless). Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

The result was keep. Tone 10:40, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Jan-Dirk Nijkamp

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Non-notable sprint canoer that does not meet WP:N or WP:GNG nor does the article have any references or sources with the exception of a brief sporting profile on a fringe website, let alone any significant coverage to note. Dr42 (talk) 07:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep The article could use some additional citations, but they competed in the 1992 Olympics and meet WP:NOLYMPICS. -- SamCordes 08:01, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete not near enough sourcing to pass GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't want this to be construed as a WP:WAX argument, but wouldn't WP:DEFACTO (which I admit is not a WP:PG) apply here, where I believe it's been accepted that all Olympic athletes are notable? Here are the events that Nijkamp participated in, and each athlete listed currently has at least a stub similar to this one: K-2 500 and K-2 1000 -- SamCordes 21:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- JPL's opinion is in clear violation of WP:NEXIST. He attches these "votes" at a speed of 2 per minute, making them meaningless. For example, he claimed that Germany's most decorated actress should be deleted after he saw no references in the article. This is not how AfDs should work. gidonb (talk) 06:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete. I can't agree with the suggestion that meeting WP:NOLYMPICS automatically qualifies the subject for GNG. The Olympics are only an event, just as a league or cup football match is an event. Merely taking part is not enough for GNG. There must be significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. This man does not have that. No Great Shaker (talk) 15:18, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

It isn't clear from this opinion that a thorough search for sources was conducted. gidonb (talk) 06:26, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep WP:SPORTBASIC says that "The guidelines on this page are intended to reflect the fact that sports figures are likely to meet Misplaced Pages's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level (such as the Olympics)." Coverage of Olympic athletes from the Netherlands in 1992 is likely to be offline (although some is online, such as this in Trouw and this in Het Parool , and there may well be more) so we can't say that sources don't WP:NEXIST. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:52, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep per RebeccaGreen. Hyperbolick (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep Passes WP:NOLYMPICS having competed in the 1992 Olympics, and also has at least some online sources and probably many more offline. Smartyllama (talk) 19:55, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Passes the WP:GNG as well as the professional standard, WP:NOLYMPICS. I have added just a few of more than 150 press sources that I could find. gidonb (talk) 22:22, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep While the article's coverage is not overly impressive, I suspect that there's more out there if one has access to Dutch newspaper archives. Meanwhile, I'll defer to WP:NOLYMPICS. Papaursa (talk) 04:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Will restore to draftify on request if sources are available. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Florent Pereira

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Non-notable actor. Played supporting roles starting in 2017. DragoMynaa (talk) 00:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be much evidence of notability in the references. MarylandGeoffrey (talk) 01:15, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Delete or Draftify: In my opinion, this failed WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR in the first nomination and still fails in this nomination. Since the first nomination, I am not able to find further evidence of notability. Supporting draftify as this is an active actor with recent works; actor may become more notable with time. ~riley (talk) 11:33, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was keep. With no prejudice against another AfD nomination in the future. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:56, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Kalyan Banerjee (homoeopath)

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zero evidence of notability except the Padma Shri, a 4th order award. Recent AfDs have consistently held that it;s not enough by itself. DGG ( talk ) 09:07, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

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Neutral: (It been up too long) Weak delete: Delete: (allow draftification): The Zee News reference perhaps indicates honourable humanitarian altruism by the subject in provision of free treatments, and that is perhaps consistent with the Times of India. However this was not brought out in the article. While award of the Padma Shri seems on the face of it most appropriate I do not believe it is a sufficient reason for a Misplaced Pages article. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:08, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
To expand further with my current reasoning. My delete !vote stands until both of two aspects are satisified: firstly the article is developed to give more body to the article beyond a dictionary entry of appointments and awards ... in this aspect my delete !vote would be weak as sources have been identified which would probably enable an editor with some sort skill level to body-up this particular article. The other aspect to be satisfied is notability. This could be sated by presenting a persuasive WP:THREE below of WP:RS for WP:GNG. Alternatively notability per WP:NACADEMIC (2) the Padmi Shri being determined by consensus to be "almost always a de-facto indicator of notability" to be achieved by account of reasoned arguments, particularly when related to practice for other countries, and when shown not simply awarded due the to the Old boy network. These arguments are now spread to an extent across 4 AfD's, a DRV and even Misplaced Pages talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Is Padma Shri a major award?. Longer term my planned intention is to follow agreed consensus on this matter. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
In view of the comments of the closer at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla I am moving my position to weak delete.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep passes GNG and Padma Shei is major award. This, this article calls him noted homeopath, this and plenty of other sources exists.— Harshil 12:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment: If you are talking about a WP:GNG notability claim per WP:THREE the decision will reset on the best WP:RS sources ... that is quality and not a quantity of this hat or the other: We have just had presented as a top three, if I have it correct (especially my interpretation of the Zeenews Hindi article and author; correct and explain if necessary), of:
- Banerjee, Dr. Kalyan (5 April 2019). "किडनी, थायरायड के मरीजों के लिए होम्योपैथी चिकित्सा फायदेमंद : डॉ. कल्याण बनर्जी" . Zeenews (in Hindi).
- Thacker, Teena (10 October 2017). "Government to bar homeopathic doctors from selling medicines". Hindustan times.
- TNN (25 January 2009). "8 docs among 26 Padma awardees". Times of India. Dr Kalyan Banerjee.

My best understanding is (Banerjee,2019) fails on self publication; (Thacker,2017) is a passing mention but in my view (TNN|2009) may pass as a WP:RS. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep per my argument at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla that receiving the Padma Shri does meet WP:ANYBIO. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WP:ANYBIO. Padma Shri is a major award and suffices to hold an article. Please also see my comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/P. B. Buckshey and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Vijay Prakash Singh. --jojo@nthony (talk) 07:22, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
'Comment I continue to think the Padma Shri not a major honour, on the basis of the almost total lack of notability of some of its awardees on any other possible criterion. DGG ( talk ) 18:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep this subject meet WP:ANYBIO and agree per RebeccaGree. 103.200.134.150 (talk) 13:45, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Comment: Pragmatically there's no real point holding this open over Christmas/New Year. Suggest close.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:13, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
Comment i was going to talk about the Padma Shri being India's 4th highest civilian award, like an OBE, so not being enough for WP:ANYBIO, but after reading Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Anil Kumar Bhalla, especially that only 2840 have been awarded in its 65 year history (noting India's population of around 1.3billion!) compared to about 500 obes being awarded every year (thanks for all the info RebeccaGreen:)), so looks like a "significant award", of course, more sources about Banjeree would help. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:53, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
~~Delete~~ Comment: that the award was given for thiscareer is good evidence that it is not an award related to any encyclopedic sort of notability . DGG ( talk ) 10:18, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Note to Admin above vote DGG is nominator. He did two time vote!. 37.111.43.124 (talk) 18:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

changed to a comment. thanks for letting me know. DGG ( talk ) 22:15, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep I had a similar Padma Shri AfD a while back on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ram Saran Verma, on which I had !voted Delete, but then, at the prompting of Lourdes, Coolabahapple, and Jupitus Smart, realised this is a much bigger award and should meet ANYBIO; also, some of the sourcing needed digging in regional Indic RS as the award is not just for “national figures”. I think we should update the policy to mention this Indic award, or, have an RfC to agree to do so. Britishfinance (talk) 01:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

The result was delete. Redirect is an editorial choice. The only "keep" didn't convince anybody, it cites no sources. Sandstein 09:56, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Jeff Sullivan (musician)

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Non-notable musician fails WP:BIO and WP:NM. In spite of many name mentions in articles about Drivin N Cryin, he does not meet WP:SIGCOV. Some sources in the article have been given misleading titles which make them appear more focused on the subject than they actually are. For example, this is claimed to be an interview with Sullivan, but it's an interview with the whole band. Skeletor3000 (talk) 20:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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Comment - there have been so many former members of The Black Crows that I'm not sure a redirect or merge would be useful. One former member crashed at the house I shared with other students back in the 1990s, until he was evicted for not paying rent. Even The Big Bang Theory had a joke about that phenomenon. Ping me please if you can come up with a workable solution. Bearian (talk)
Delete - This article may be an attempted promotion and it also exaggerates some facts. He was not a member of the Black Crowes but was instead with their predecessor band Mr. Crowe's Garden. Therefore a merge or redirect to the Black Crowes is nonsensical. He is indeed a longtime member of the notable Drivin n Cryin, but most of the collaborations and tours listed here for Sullivan were actually the activities of the band. He has done a few collaborations outside the band, but I can find no reliable coverage to indicate that those activities are notable. A redirect to Drivin N Cryin might be feasible if within policy. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect to Drivin N Cryin as a reasonable and fairly obvious ATD. Hug 15:49, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Redirect as above as this is a WP:TNT case with misleading information and promotion, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep - There are Notable collaborations from this artist outside of his work with Drivin N Cryin, such as session work with Peter Buck, Warren Haynes, The Black Crowes (where he is also referenced here and here) and Nikki Sudden. These are cited on the entry and being that these collaborations started in the late 1980's not all media coverage has been digitized and searchable. Sullivan also has some Composer Notability with 36 composer credits to his credit including 2 for Major Movie releases. Please reconsider the AfD status, given his meeting Notability Criteria and in context with the individual pages of his bandmates and peers for which his Notability and references exceed. If the article is too promotional in tone and more encyclopedic page can be developed. Thank you.Dncac (talk) 04:21, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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Barkeep49 Any idea how long you think this should stay open? One week? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:52, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Koavf, any qualified closer may do so at anytime but yes it normally stays open at least a week more after relisting. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 08:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America 19:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Mike Siegel

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This is a contested PROD. Individual clearly exists but I don't see notability. There aren't reliable sources talking about him in any significant depth. He currently airs a radio program from 10pm to 1am, not exactly a prime time slot. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:13, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep: It only needs a few more references. These , , & may help. _SUPER 01:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Yunshui _水 14:46, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Akram al-Ajouri

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WP:BLP1E The only notable coverage in reliable sources seems to be about him not dying in an airstrike where some of his family was killed. Phil (talk) 23:28, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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Comment – I note that there are many search results of his name in Arabic. I cannot judge the amount of significant coverage available because of my language barrier. A review of sources per WP:GNG should include a search for sources in Arabic and in Hebrew. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 23:47, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Redirect and Merge with Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine, I see little evidence of independent notability but that could very well change. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep. Looking at the sources from the Arabic Misplaced Pages article, I think they constitute significant coverage. Russia Today calls him "the strongest figure within the Islamic Jihad movement". Al-Khaleej calls him "head of the military branch of Islamic Jihad." And al-Sharq al-Awsat covers his ties with Iran. 90% of the articles about him are from the last month, but I don't think he falls under BLP1E becasue he got some coverage in 2018 for being elected to the political bureau of PIJ (e.g. ). --Cerebellum (talk) 13:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WP:NEXIST and some is in Arabic. Wm335td (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep - as per Cerebellum. He seems to be mentioned as a senior Islamic Jihad commander in independent reliable sources and we shouldn't allow ourselves to be biased against pages with non-English sources. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

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Aikat

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Fails WP:NAUTHOR. Coverage that might meet WP:GNG is based on the Telegraph India article, which I do not think is independent and the prabhatkhabar.com article (for the latter, I have not registered and I cannot read Hindi). The remainder of the sources are either dead links or are blogs.

The Ford campaign doesn't help establish notability - people 'participated in huge numbers' because 'gratification of Rs 1 lakh also acted as a bait for the people across the social media platforms to participate in the campaign.'

The Padma Shri nomination doesn't help establish notability - anyone can nominate anyone. I can't see that Aikat comes even close to the selection criteria which call for 'distinguished and exceptional achievements/service' and 'a lifetime of achievement'.

The creator of the biography has been blocked as a sock. I believe the article is simply promo. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:56, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Keep vote does not address policy Spartaz 15:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Giulio De Nardo

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NCHESS. Usedtobecool ✨ 05:27, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. Competed in the 2nd Chess Olympiad in 1928 as a member of the Italian national team and deletion would turn a blue link on the Chess Olympiad page into a red link~~, making him the only participant without a page~~.. Article has sources. Removal would not improve the encyclopedia in any way and would be antagonistic to the goal to build the web. Quale (talk) 07:33, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Quale, MOS:BUILD aims at allowing readers to deepen their understanding of a topic by conveniently accessing other articles. However, this is a person whose only notable relationship with Chess was playing in that olympiad. So, the standalone article provides no additional useful information. Red links of non-notable subjects are corrected by removing the link altogether. Sources in the article have matches listed, almost all rated games are recorded, that's bordering on indiscriminate information, there's literally nothing to build a biography with. NCHESS specifically mentions chess olympiad and says one must win a medal to be presumed notable. Moreover, as a player whose career is already over, GNG is a reasonable expectation. This is a person who played one olympiad and quit chess altogether and did other normal people stuff his whole life. Mention of his name in the squad for said olympiad is all the required understanding on the subject that we need. All other claims made in the article are unsupported, as none of the sources even write one sentence of prose on him. Usedtobecool ✨ 09:23, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Please explain to me how it does not deepen the reader's understanding of the the 2nd Chess Olympiad to be able to learn more about the participants, including those competing for the Italian team. And who are you to tell me or anyone else what is all the information I or we need about a chess olympiad competitor? I understand that you have no interest in the chess olympiads and probably no interest in chess either, but although WP:IJUSTDONTLIKEIT is a great reason for you to not read articles about chess, it is not a good reason to delete those articles. Many people do only one encyclopedically notable thing in their lives, but as it happens, one is enough. In this case that one thing was playing as a member of a national team in the top international team competition in a sport. Finally, WP:NCHESS is total crap, but that certainly isn't your fault. The Italian wikipedia article lists an Italian chess encyclopedia as a source, and likely this could be used to source most of the article. Quale (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Quale, please do not misrepresent my position to suit your refutation needs (see Straw man), or engage in divining my affiliations or my motives (see Ad hominem or even WP:NPA).

At the risk of repeating myself, the article does not further the understanding on the subject because the only bit of verifiable information presented there are the matches played by the subject, of which only Olympiad matches are of note which are best covered in the Olympiad article. It is difficult to presume notability in absence of WP:SIGCOV such as we do in case of rising players or players not yet retired because the player retired almost a hundred years ago, and other than participating in that one olympiad, went on to do normal people things. Olympiad participation is not enough to confer notability according to WP:NCHESS which I find very reasonable. I will leave you to ponder the irony of your linking WP:IDLI in a comment which goes on to say WP:NCHESS is total crap. Usedtobecool ✨ 05:07, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete – No other sources that pass WP:SIGCOV found by WP:BEFORE searches. Don't want to reiterate nom's points, but sources in article are all statistics pages that don't pass WP:GNG, don't address subject directly enough to not need original research to extract content. Yes, there's a book cited in the Italian Misplaced Pages, but it's only one source and doesn't pass the multiple requirement of GNG. Removal would help Misplaced Pages by preventing it from resembling an indiscriminate collection of information. UnnamedUser (talk) 03:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

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The result was keep. Although GNG was never specifically mentioned, it appears from the keep arguments that it is likely to meet that guideline. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 14:31, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Nigel Peake

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PROD declined, there's no indication that Peake is notable per the biographical or general notability guidelines because of a lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. The "silver commendation" alone is not enough to establish notability. SITH (talk) 12:49, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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Comment: Although the present article text's focus on student work contains little to suggest notability, the subject may be more prominent as an artist/illustrator: 2005 exhibition article, 2016 exhibition article. His career to date probably falls short of WP:NARTIST but it is another angle worth taking into account so I am tagging the Visual Arts project. AllyD (talk) 16:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

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Delete He does not meet any of the ways for notability as an artist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:22, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

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Keep I agree with AllyD that there is evidence that he is better known as an artist, in various media. Architectural Digest had an article about his tableware designs ; Wall Street Journal covered his wallpaper and his crystal glassware , which was also covered in Wallpaper* , Interior Design and Surface magazine . There are a lot of other Google News results too. I think it will be worth checking if his works are held in the permanent collections of any galleries. Given that this article is new, it's surprising that it doesn't mention any of this - but it should certainly be added. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

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Keep. There's also a The Morning News (online magazine) article to go with all the others. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:15, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

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