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Feel free to leave a note on this page in the usual manner. I only keep stuff on this page if it requires further action from me, just to keep things tidy, so sometimes I'll just move the conversation to your talk page to keep things in one spot. Feel free to move it back here when you reply, or just use {{ping}} from whatever page it's on.

My old bot Pearle has been offline for a while. My current Misplaced Pages coding project is Misplaced Pages:Typo Team/moss. -- Beland (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Most wanted stubs

Hi Beland - is it possible to run a bot and see what turns up at Misplaced Pages:Most wanted stubs as the most wanted stubs to expand? Interested in what it might turn up for potential DYK expansions...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, definitely looks like it's time for an update there. Unfortunately the code I have to do that is old and creaky and I'm not sure it's compatible with the current database dumps. I'll try and take a look at it in the next few weeks. -- Beland (talk) 16:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi again - do you still have time or inclination to have a go at this? Or would it be something that someone else could do...? I have no idea as I have no experience in any of this....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:49, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

More refs needed

For this content Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:16, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

@Doc James:: Sure, I ran out of time to continue working on that today. Some of the facts (like prices) were pulled from the linked articles, but pretty much everything could use further fact-checking and referencing. Though there's some overlap with the "Developing world" section and perhaps Prescription drug prices in the United States, which might be helpful to resolve first. Any help you could give would be appreciated. -- Beland (talk) 05:51, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Was removed - Talk:Prescription_costs#Cleanup - could use some research. -- Beland (talk) 03:08, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Moving unreffed content - Malaria

This article is a GA. Not sure why you added unreffed content? Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:42, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@Doc James: Hmm, something seems to have gone wrong with that edit, which is clearly not a whitespace change as the edit summary suggests. Looking back at my edit history, I find that I was moving that content from Malaria vaccine where it was off-topic, to an article where it was on-topic. I was actually the one who tagged that chunk as unreferenced while cleaning it up; I have no reason to believe it is false, but it seemed important enough to verify. I hadn't noticed that Malaria is a Good Article, but I probably would have made the same edit even if I had, since it's clearly a better place for that content if it's going to be in the encyclopedia at all. I will see if I can find some time to fact-check those claims, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. -- Beland (talk) 21:16, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Was removed, could use tracking down: -- Beland (talk) 03:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Geographical list titles

Note to self re: Talk:Mains electricity by country/Archive 4#Vehicles_and_non-country_places:

• List of average human height worldwide
• Geography of association football
• Prostitution by region
• Giant pandas around the world
• List of United Nations organizations by location
• List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location
• List of sovereign states and dependent territories by continent
• Basic income around the world

-- Beland (talk) 18:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Other followup needed on:

• Talk:Mains electricity - British title for global article
  • Maybe rescope along with Electrical grid and Electric power distribution?
• AC power plugs and sockets - compatibility table was removed, article still too long - Talk:AC power plugs and sockets, Talk:AC power plugs and sockets/Archive 8
• Talk:Mains_electricity/Archive_1#Why_nothing_about_current?
• Talk:Mains electricity by country/Archive 3
• Talk:Mains electricity by country/Archive 4 (other topics)
• Talk:Mains electricity by country/Archive 5

-- Beland (talk) 02:11, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Typos by occurence

Hi Beland, I wanted to say that I admire your dedication to correcting typos in Misplaced Pages.

I'm trying to find ways to make the process of correcting typos easier. moss project is a great project but it works one typo at a time, and it excludes many parts and kinds of typos. I've made a list on my own with typos existing on Misplaced Pages, ordered by frequency.

User:Uziel302/sandbox

To make it easier to check whether a word is a typo, I added short context: User:Uziel302/Typos with context and in older version you can see how it works when I don't focus on popular words.

Any feedback is much appreciated and if you know someone else that might be interested in list of that kind, please let me know.

Thanks, Uziel302 (talk) 13:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: Interesting. I've definitely neglected certain types of mistakes just to simplify my code and get the currently overwhelmingly-large list up and getting fixed. 8) I'm curious how you generated the list of known typos? -- Beland (talk) 01:35, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Took 10K English words from here, made variations with a simple C program, switching letters, duplicating, removing and replacing with e (can be any other letter, started with the popular one). Then removed from the list of variations anything appearing in titles of Wiktionary. I have a web version here. Will be happy to hear feedback.Uziel302 (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: Ah, interesting, that's tackling the problem from the opposite end of what I do, since I start with all the words in Misplaced Pages and then try to figure out if they're correct or not. Certainly can't argue with the results; looks like you've got a good list of items waiting to be fixed! I'd probably just include some context on both sides of the typo. I try to do some things to make it as fast as possible for editors to go through list, like making a list to the offending article. There are definitely faster UIs, like interactive web pages, but that's the best I've had time to manufacture so far. Not sure if you're working off a local file or something when you fix typos yourself? -- Beland (talk) 03:16, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean working off a local file? I downloaded dumps to my computer if that what you meant. My C program ran over the 65 giga file for some hours, probably didn't finish the whole thing.

When I fix typos myself I do it manually on regular wiki editor and for multiple typos of the same kind I use AWB. This is why I ordered by frequency, it lets me find stuff for AWB. I hoped you could recommend Wikipedians that might help fixing the typos, I saw your project got a lot of dedicated contributors who actually fix the typos found.Uziel302 (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: To find volunteers, I mostly just linked from Misplaced Pages:Typo Team#Methods for searching and correcting_typos and a few "projects that need help" places, and also started using links in edit summaries. Would you be posting lists you want people to work through, or are you looking for fellow users of AWB? -- Beland (talk) 18:32, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I can make lists with some context for one by one fixes, I don't think it has real added value comparing to your list. Especially since I don't have direct link to article and I need to search each phrase. If there is downtime where your list has no new typos to fix I can offer a list on my own. I think the main added value of a list by frequency is for AWB users who can fix many typos in a short time.Uziel302 (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Gotcha. I think there is an official list of typos that AWB and related tools automatically try to fix, no? I've not ever tried to add anything to it. -- Beland (talk) 21:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I just wondered why do you go over all the words and check if they exist, when you only show on the list the T1 typos which are close to common words, just search the list of words that are close to common words, isn't it more efficient? Uziel302 (talk) 21:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: Well, to some degree it's because that's the way I started out doing it before I figured out that edit distance was a useful metric to separate actual misspellings from new words. At some point we'll run out of T1 lists; T2 words are mostly misspellings like T1, but T3 aren't, so in a year or two it looks like I'll have to come up with some new tricks to find the remaining misspellings. But in principle all correct spellings should be in Wikitionary, and moss has been a source of a lot of new words for that project. Different lists are better at finding those, like ranking by frequency of occurrence. The "articles with the most typos" list has also been helpful in finding species missing from Wikispecies, and also pages that are full of junk or foreign-language text. It was also interesting that the pattern detector was able to find a bunch of not-standardized rhyme patterns which I've been slowly fixing. -- Beland (talk) 21:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

You assume that we correct typos faster that we create them...

It looks like it takes a lot of time to generate the typo lists on your project, I guess you analyze every word in dumps, instead of just checking if it's T1.Uziel302 (talk) 09:41, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

The stats do show the number of T1s dropping. I do indeed analyze more or less every word in the main text of most articles. It takes about 26 hours for the code to run, but dumps only become available twice a month, so I'm not terribly motivated to improve speed. -- Beland (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

My project started running here: User:Uziel302/AWB cleanup.

I hope we will finish the list of frequent typos in the near future.

I guess my list of T1 isn't complete, since I only made some kinds of variations, and only on 10K words.

Can you share what defines T1 on moss?

Thanks, Uziel302 (talk) 20:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: Hey, congratulations. I added a link from the Typo Team homepage.

In the moss system, potential typos are triaged by word_categorizer.py: https://github.com/cdbeland/moss/blob/master/word_categorizer.py

near_common_word() determines the edit distance between the potential typo and the first spelling suggestion from the enchant spell checking library. The code T + edit distance is assigned if there is a spelling suggestion, so T1 means that edit distance was 1. -- Beland (talk) 00:22, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Gadget for typo correction

Hi,

In order to make typos correction easier, I wrote a gadget in Hebrew Misplaced Pages that allows users to click and correct typos based on 1 edit distance autocorrect. I plan to write similar gadget here and would like to hear how should I start, where do I get permissions to edit media wiki JavaScript and create a gadget everyone can add. This is my Hebrew script and I upload to the project page the list of typos my C program finds in the dumps. Thanks, Uziel302 (talk) 20:42, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: I've not gone through that process myself, but maybe you were looking for Misplaced Pages:Gadget? -- Beland (talk) 04:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, seems like I need to upload it as user script first.Uziel302 (talk) 04:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Ready: User:Uziel302/typos.js. And after adding it to your commons.js you will see "implement edit" in User:Uziel302/Typos. Just corrected a few typos with it, please let me know if it can benefit MOSS project.Uziel302 (talk) 16:32, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Templates with red links

Can you generate a new set of lists for Misplaced Pages:Templates with red links, and overwrite the 2011 lists? bd2412 T 14:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Just following up on this. bd2412 T 18:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@BD2412: I've never run such a report before. I think it's RussBot that produces them, and the owner is User:R'n'B? If they're not available, I could write some code to do this, but it might take me a while. -- Beland (talk) 19:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

My mistake - you had created the project page back in 2005, so I had incorrectly assumed that you also ran the report. I'll see if I can figure out who did. It may have been R'n'B. bd2412 T 20:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@BD2412: Oh, you're right! I used to run that report a looong time ago, I had completely forgotten. Unfortunately all the Perl code that powered that was obsoleted when the database dump format changed. My new Python dump analysis code isn't set up to track links, but it could be extended. I hope you connect with the already-written bot owner; if not then I'll have some work to do. 8) -- Beland (talk) 15:59, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't know who did the 2011 update, but hopefully someone can provide a new one. bd2412 T 16:11, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

List of low frequency typos you can load on AWB

Hi Beland, following previous chat about Levenshtein distance 1 typos, I took all common words, made on them all possible variations and removes the legitimate words from the output. I then searched those 200K variations across Misplaced Pages dumps. What I found helped me create a list of less frequent replacements and a list of the articles where they are found. You can load those lists from Misplaced Pages:AutoWikiBrowser/Settings/Autocorrect and the talk page and start fixing thousands of obvious typos across Misplaced Pages, few seconds per fix. I hope you will find this list useful. I also hope it can help MOSS project in some way. Any feedback is much appreciated! Uziel302 (talk) 14:17, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Note to self

To finish:

• Draft:Stability of democracy
• Draft:Formation of monarchy

14 years of adminship

Finding typos with Moss

Hi - your addition of missing spaces after commas is great – it's something that drives me just as crazy as missing spaces after periods.

Can you add extra spaces before commas and periods? Or at least put it on the list of things to add to your Moss project?

Thanks again for all the work you do to improve Misplaced Pages's delivery of information and make it a better website.

Ira Leviton (talk) 15:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ira Leviton: That's a great idea. I'm polishing off the missing-space-after-comma report to exclude as many false positives as possible, but as soon as that's done I'll do a run detecting extra spaces and see how well that works. -- Beland (talk) 04:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

And the message right below gave me another idea for something else to add – extra spaces after an opening parenthesis and or before a closing parenthesis. (Not that you don't have enough to do already...) Thanks again.

Ira

Ira Leviton (talk) 10:41, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Had another idea to improve the moss project

100-man kumite only has 1 typo recognized by the project, but there was 2. Brackets! Is there any way to improve the script to improve typos like that? I'm impressed that the comma addition has already happened. Don't know how to write scripts myself, but I know some people who do and it usually takes them a lot longer to make improvements to projects they're working on. Clovermoss (talk) 20:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: Ah, well spotted once again. Missing spaces before or after parentheses should be relatively easy to find; I'll put that on my short-term todo list too. -- Beland (talk) 04:22, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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Stop misusing semi-automated tools

Please stop misusing JWB to force your preferred EngVar. You know you do not have consensus for this, and have previously claimed not to be trying to force your spelling into articles. You have repeatedly on this page been reminded of WP:NOTBROKEN by other editors. DuncanHill (talk) 12:50, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

MOS folks often like to work in a bottom-up fashion, rather than trying to codify issues where there is no actual disagreement. I'm not entirely clear on what your objections to the JWB edits are, since we'd only really discussed direct quotes, but it does seem there are now enough specific disputed instances to have a centralized discussion to explore where consensus lies. I'd invite you to participate at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style#Gaol vs. jail. -- Beland (talk) 00:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

You claimed not to be trying to force the change across Misplaced Pages, at the same time as doing just that, and using both JWB and the typo team to do so. You went ahead making the change when you knew (or would have known if you had read the thread on the WC page) that there was opposition to it. Your thread at the MOS page does not mention all the reverts of your edits to other articles. You need to inform everyone involved in the WC thread about your MOS post. DuncanHill (talk) 00:50, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I've just responded to those accusations and added notes to two threads on Talk:Winston Churchill. Whoops, looks like I missed the revert on Adventures of Tintin. (I got 7 notification when I logged on today, half of them unrelated to "goal"). If there are any others, I haven't gotten a notification about them, but feel free to add them to the MOS talk page thread. -- Beland (talk) 01:03, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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