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Why does this template use the plural "their"? -- -- -- 21:28, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing as well. I am placing an edit request here. It should state "his or her", or have an option to switch between either. 75.53.212.159 (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. They, them, and their are widely used and recognized as singular, and it makes particular sense to accept that when referring to pseudonymous former contributors whose gender identities may be unknown. Rivertorch (talk) 06:07, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I think the singular they is fine, personally. Kaldari (talk) 21:26, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

• Support use of his/her, if the user identified their gender here automatically via preferences. I was about to boldly introduce such code myself, but see that it's already been done just a few hours ago! -- Trevj (talk) 10:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

  Can someone add a parameter in case they did not set their preferences? πr (t • c) 16:44, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Deceased Wikipedians#Category:Deceased Wikipedians

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Deceased Wikipedians#Category:Deceased Wikipedians. -- Trevj (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

Died vs. deceased

Obviously, this is a very sensitive template, particularly in times of active grief. The words "is deceased" were changed to "has died" here with a pointer to WP:EUPHEMISM. However, that page is part of the Manual of Style intended to help avoid the introduction of bias into our articles. Bias is not a concern with the use of this on user talk pages or user pages.

I think we need consensus prior to such a change, particularly as I am myself concerned about the impact of the starker wording. --Moonriddengirl 13:46, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

The impact on the person being described is zero, as they remain dead. Euphemism is an unencyclopedic force; we should use the simplest and clearest words for things, both in the mainspace and in user space. The idea that it is somehow easier on the bereaved to say "deceased" than to say "died" has no foundation in fact and should not play a part in our work here. Can I also recommend WP:DRNC for your reading? --John (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

We do not need to be encyclopedic in user space. And the concern is not the impact that it will have on the person who has died. I should have thought that would be obvious. And regarding your WP:DRNC, I didn't - you might have noticed that I said "I am myself concerned". This is, of course, entirely in accordance WP:BRD. You boldly made a change, and I disagree. Hence, I have reverted to the WP:STATUSQUO until consensus is reached. --Moonriddengirl 14:15, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

So you haven't looked at the history then. Interesting. I recommend you do so in future if you are going to talk about WP:STATUSQUO, as it will be less likely to make you look like a fool. --John (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Here's another one for you, User:John: WP:CIVIL. This template has said "is deceased" since November of 2013, a status quo of nearly half a year's standing. Prior to that, it said "has passed away". It did not say "has died." Your justification for changing it refers to the manual of style for articles. I do not agree that it applies. We restore the prior version pending consensus. --Moonriddengirl 14:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we have CIVIL, and we also have WP:CIR. So often, as here, the two are in tension. I recommend a closer look at the history before you embarrass yourself further. --John (talk) 14:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm more astonished by your hostility than anything. I have nothing to be embarrassed about. :/ Is this how you approach every disagreement on Misplaced Pages, or do you have some personal grudge against me of which I'm unaware? --Moonriddengirl 14:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

• Let's be in a mood not to argue right at the moment: we're mourning the loss of two great Wikimedians, and now is the time for all to be giving and kind—in memory of these wonderful people. If I had to make an on-the-spot call here, I'd go with the softer wording (even though my personal inclination is to avoid it generally). Tony (talk) 14:50, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

A bit late to this discussion, but I agree that the MOS does not and should not apply to this template, and "deceased" works just fine. And there really is no need for hostility. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 20:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit protected request 17 December 2014

This edit request to User:Claude A. R. Kagan, User:Ig2000, User:Neilm, User:Padraig and User:Rexgooch has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

Please apply this template to these user pages. Doing this will allow me to modified the template to filter out User_talk: pages from the categorization transcluded by this template. Thank you very much. — {{U|Technical 13}} 06:22, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Done all apart from User:Ig2000, which I just added the category to. It seems strange to add the banner on a redirect page. — Mr. Stradivarius 08:06, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Technical 13: also, could you ping me after you've finished making your changes here? This template should probably be fully protected, for the same reason we're fully protecting the user pages themselves. — Mr. Stradivarius 08:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Mr. Stradivarius, I certainly can, but don't you think  Template editor would be sufficient? Thanks for your help. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 14:50, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Detecting gender automatically

I've made a proposal that would have the effect of this template automatically detecting gender (when supplied by the user, of course) unless told otherwise. Please offer your input at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Deceased Wikipedian. Nyttend (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Bold change

Just made a bold change on the template. Specifically, the image at the top had a white border, however, to it's left was a black border that appeared to be part of the image that had a lit candle on it, so the effect was small black border | white border with text | image with black background | white border. It looked somewhat off, so I changed the padding on the left so that the entire border is black, the entire background is white (except for the candle image). I really think it looks better this way. KoshVorlon} 18:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Nobots

With this edit of 3 April 2018‎, JJMC89 removed the 'nobots' inclusion of Template:Bots that was intended to prevent bots posting to the talk pages. The edit summary says: 'transclusion doesn't work'. However, the documentation at Misplaced Pages:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines states that using this template ('Deceased Wikipedian') includes 'nobots', but I think this statement is now wrong. Should some way of including it be found, or does 'nobots' have to be added manually (as was done recently here? I have no idea who could answer this question, so with apologies I am going to ping Pine and The Blade of the Northern Lights who most recently updated the guideline page. (PS. While on the topic, what was the reason for this edit)? Carcharoth (talk) 12:04, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

I can answer the parenthetical; if a user doesn't have a gender selected in preferences the template reads "Their userpage" and "their memory" unless you put either "Example male" or "Example female". Especially in this case, it looked odd to refer to someone using his real name as "they". The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 15:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I had opened both versions in the page history, but failed completely to spot that difference. Proof-reading fail! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 16:53, 15 January 2020 (UTC)