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It could also be considered a sexual fetish, but ''paraphilia'' is an even better fit since the focus is not on a specific object but rather an activity or a set of fantasy scenarios, much like ], ], or ]. {{unsigned|BrightVamp }} It could also be considered a sexual fetish, but ''paraphilia'' is an even better fit since the focus is not on a specific object but rather an activity or a set of fantasy scenarios, much like ], ], or ]. {{unsigned|BrightVamp }}


:Those sources are not ]-compliant. Griffiths's commentary is only good enough to relay it as something he thinks, but it still doesn't belong in this article. And we shouldn't be using sources that don't explicitly identify the matter as a paraphilia. Nor should we be using very old sources, such as those from 1957. And considering all of this, the ] article needs work. I was correct to the content. ] (]) 21:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC) :Those sources are not ]-compliant. Griffiths's commentary is only good enough to relay it as something he thinks, but it still doesn't belong in this article. And we shouldn't be using sources that don't explicitly identify the matter as a paraphilia. Nor should we be using very old sources, such as those from 1957, for this list. And considering all of this, the ] article needs work. I was correct to the content. ] (]) 21:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

:And looking for academic sources on the topic, it seems that the article should not even exist because the topic is not ]. ] (]) 22:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


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A revert I'm unhappy with

I added the following at the outset: Recently-coined names for paraphilias (abasiophilia, algolagnia, etc.) typically have a Greek origin.

This was reverted by EvergreenFir because it was not documented.

Documentation is not required for items easily verifiable. Anyone who goes to a dictionary can see these terms are coined from Greek. Is a source saying so really required?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deisenbe (talkcontribs)

Sourcing

Ryubyss, regarding this, we go by what the reliable source state. And ephebophilia usually is not considered a paraphilia. Notice that ephebophilia includes physical/legal adults in addition to those 15 and up? Read the sourced Ephebophilia article. It would have made more sense if you'd listed hebephilia, but, as the Hebephilia article makes clear, even hebephilia is debated as a paraphilia and mental disorder. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I see you did include hebephilia, but, as indicated by what I stated above, it's not on the list for a reason. I suppose we could include a note about the debate surrounding it, like (I think) we did before, but still. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

WP:MEDRS

Feliciapulo, regarding this, see WP:MEDRS. That is why I reverted you. Do not add poor sources, including poor medical sources, to the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:54, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Flyer22 Reborn, no problem, I figured it out. I went back and looked for other sources. However, I am noticing that others on the list are using sources such as articles from The Guardian (Oculophilia). I also noticed one did not leave a source but did link another Misplaced Pages article (Pyrophilia), is this sufficient? Feliciapulo (talk) 05:21, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Feliciapulo, I reverted again. It doesn't seem that you took the time to read WP:MEDRS; for example, what it states about WP:Primary sources. I'll leave a note at the WP:Med talk page about this so that editors there might weigh in. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Flyer22 Reborn I'm a little bit confused, I looked at the WP:Primary sources page. Both of those sources I used were found in published journals, and were listed as peer-reviewed, so not original research. What about the item that sources an article from The Guardian only? Is there a reason why this piece is ok and these journal articles were not? Feliciapulo (talk) 05:33, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Feliciapulo, peer review is not the same thing as literature review. See what WP:MEDRS states about primary sources, secondary sources and literature reviews. Also, I don't work in "what about" terms. If something on the list is only sourced to The Guardian, then remove it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Flyer22 Reborn, I understand, it wasn't intended to redirect the conversation, it was only brought up because I was wondering if there was a reason why this was ok. I will remove it then. Feliciapulo (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Sapiosexual

"Arousal by the intelligence of other people" --Backinstadiums (talk) 12:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

And where is your WP:MEDRS-compliant source that says that sapiosexual is a paraphilia? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 13:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
@Flyer22 Reborn: See "Sapiosexual" per the English Wiktionary's definition and the quotations where the word is used. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 16:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Atcovi, wikis are not WP:Reliable sources. And looking at the sourcing there, I currently see weak sourcing and nothing that states that sapiosexual is a paraphilia. "Sapiosexual" is a neologism that hasn't gained enough traction in the scholarly literature. It's mainly a media term. Per WP:NEO, this is why it doesn't have its own Misplaced Pages article. And it being a redirect was recently discussed: Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 November 11#Sapiosexuality.
On a side note: Since the List of paraphilias article is on my watchlist, I prefer not to be pinged to it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:02, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the new page to read - will keep that watchlisted and will keep that in mind for any future discussions. --Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 19:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

More philias

I found this list of sexual paraphilias and noticed that many of them are missing from this page. I don't think that a blog makes for a compelling source though, so I haven't added them to this page, but I wanted to share the list here so that those with access to suitable sources can use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapten Nordstroem (talkcontribs) 10:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Not a WP:Reliable source. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Is Pregnancy fetishism a philia (Maiseiophilia)? This was "discovered" in the early 1990s in the first wave of western culture's so-called "new" sexualization and erotic fascination with pregnancy. It isn't listed anywhere in the article, should it be included? 2605:E000:100D:E482:E5AE:F5A:2B32:9D12 (talk) 01:43, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hypnosis as a paraphilia

Here is a recent essay by Distinguished Psychology professor Mark D. Griffiths describing unusual sexual arousal from hypnosis as a paraphilia . It does not appear in the DSM-5 as a paraphilia, but there are a number of case studies in the psychiatric literature that establish the existence of individuals with "experience of intense sexual arousal" to atypical fantasies about hypnosis, e.g.:

To many hypnotic subjects, hypnosis has strong sexual connotations. Freud ( 2 ) recognized this and mentioned the similarity between the states of hypnosis and of being in love. Sciiilder and Kanders(3) stress the erotic aspects of hypnosis and warn that sexual accusations may be made against the therapist. Speyer and Stokvis(4) studied the sexual fantasies of the hypnotic subject, and emphasized the importance of the subject’s erotic attitudes toward the therapist. Lorand(5) pointed out the subject’s unconscious desire for seduction by the hypnotist and correlated hypnotizability with yielding to the one from whom love was expected. Wolberg(6) also mentions the sexual attitude toward hypnosis in patients who have strong unconscious sexual needs. Kline(7) describes some types of sexual reactions during hypnotherapy and discusses their nature.

In a 2017 study, 4% of women in one group freely reported "Sex while drugged/mind control/hypnosis" as a fantasy

It could also be considered a sexual fetish, but paraphilia is an even better fit since the focus is not on a specific object but rather an activity or a set of fantasy scenarios, much like erotic asphyxiation, voyeurism, or Omorashi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrightVamp (talkcontribs)

Those sources are not WP:MEDRS-compliant. Griffiths's commentary is only good enough to relay it as something he thinks, but it still doesn't belong in this article. And we shouldn't be using sources that don't explicitly identify the matter as a paraphilia. Nor should we be using very old sources, such as those from 1957, for this list. And considering all of this, the Erotic hypnosis article needs work. I was correct to revert the content. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 21:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
And looking for academic sources on the topic, it seems that the article should not even exist because the topic is not WP:Notable. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 22:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

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References

  1. Griffiths, Mark D. (2016-12-14). "Hypnosis And Sexual Health". Psychology Today. Retrieved 2020-02-10.
  2. Merrill, George G. (1957). "Sexual complications of hypnosis". Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis. 5 (3): 138–146. doi:10.1080/00207145708410731.
  3. Yule, Morag A.; Brotto, Lori A.; Gorzalka, Boris B. (2017). "Sexual Fantasy and Masturbation Among Asexual Individuals: An In-Depth Exploration". Archives of Sexual Behavior. 46: 311–328. doi:10.1007/s10508-016-0870-8.
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