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A Dobos torte for you!

Lubbad85 (☎)(Edits) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

@Lubbad85:I appreciate your civility in the matter. I've never had a Dobos Torte before, but it looks good. Thank you!--Rusf10 (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Liberal Darling AOC

You don't seem to have a handle on the policy for editing the article about AOC, so here is my understanding: 1) Anything AOC says, no matter how ridiculous, ill-informed, or offensive, can be included, because she is AOC. 2) Any statement in support of AOC is of course allowed. 3) Any statement critical of her or her policies or positions is not allowed unless a) it specifically mentions her by name (not just refuting statements she made or positions she took), and b) was widely reported in liberal media. 4) Any edit which includes a cite to Fox News will we immediately reverted, despite Misplaced Pages listing Fox News as a reliable source. 5) If you take issue with the policy, some editor will cite a Misplaced Pages rule that has little if any relevance. I hope this clarifies things for you. -JohnTopShelf (talk) 17:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Meanings of minor planet names: 500001–501000 AFD repeat

I am contacting everyone who participated at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of minor planets: 500001–501000 to tell you the same discussion is happening again at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Meanings of minor planet names: 500001–501000. Dream Focus 12:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

AfD

Greetings, Rusf10. Alansohn, who, AFAIK has been diligently abiding by his IBAN for far longer than the expected six months, has contacted me with concerns that you are stalking him. I do see you returned from a break of editing to immediately nominate two of his creations for deletion, plus Elizabeth Shin, a barely-edited article you showed up to nominate for deletion immediately after Alan expanded it. I find it unlikely that this is all a coincidence and that you were not going through Alan's contribs, and while I'm not saying your intent was to harass, stalking an editor who's IBANNED from you and nominating their pages for deletion is fairly likely to be interpreted as either harassing or baiting behavior. ~Swarm~ 02:03, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Swarm:As he has done frequently in the past, Alansohn is making false allegations again. Despite not being under an IBAN, I have attempted to not directly engage him in any way. I have not taken any break from editing either. I have just been editing less frequently than in the past. It is absurd that he would accuse me of stalking him over the Elizabeth Shin article. I just reviewed the editing history of the article now and see that his only edit in the 15 years that the article existed was to add a single sentence. Its just a bad article, it has absolutely nothing to do with him since he's barely edited it. As for the New Jersey government templates, there are many reasons to delete these, they fill NJ municipal articles with bloat and are far from the norm for city articles on wikipedia. The community has not taken up this issue for years and I think its time to bring the New Jersey articles in line with the articles from all other states. The core of the issue is that Alansohn believes he has WP:OWNERSHIP of all New Jersey articles.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:52, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

You initiated three consecutive nominations for deletion for pages that Alan had either created or recently contributed to. The encyclopedic merits of your nominations aside, it is not really believable that it was a coincidence, particularly when you link at the history of Elizabeth Shin. I can't read minds, so I can't determine who's in the right, but you're well aware that this exact thing is part of a long-running issue between you two, to the extent that you accepted a TBAN from this specific thing. And that's the thing—you're not banned from this any more. And we can't know that your intent is to harass. But it can be reasonably construed as baiting. Surely you can understand that. As a neutral party, I think it's a pretty reasonable reaction, given the context, the timing, and the history. It would seem like the exact sort of thing I cautioned you against doing. One deletion nom isn't going to create an issue, but this looks like a "drive by". Not saying it was intended as such, just that that's how it looks. It's not some wild, unhinged allegation like you're saying it is. While you're not under sanctions, I'm sure you agree that we do not need the conflict to re-erupt because of unlikely "coincidental" interactions that may or may not be intentional, depending on who you choose to believe. "I'm not under sanctions" will not exactly be a great look if it re-erupts at a community noticeboard, you know? I'm not out here to give you a hard time because I'm somehow invested in this conflict. I'm purely here because I closed the discussion, which means that Alan is coming to me with his complaints. So I can pass it along that it seems like you're maybe pestering Alan in some way, and that it would be in everyone's best interest if you were more careful about not doing that, and tbh it doesn't really matter whether you have good excuses for the interactions or not. If the complaints keep coming over debatable interactions that Alan thinks are meant to bait him, we're going to end up with yet another protracted thread at AN/I about it and relitigate the existing sanctions. ~Swarm~ 22:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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Donald Trump

You removed consensus wording that was established after several lengthy and broadly participated talk page threads. Please undo your recent edit to the text concerning the investigation and impeachment and share your views on talk to seek consensus for any text you feel is more appropriate. SPECIFICO talk 23:01, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO:There was hardly any discussion on that wording, not a consensus. Please discuss on talk page.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:12, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

It goes back literally months. You'd best review the talk archives before you're so quick to revert next time. Saves everyone time and trouble and helps you gain credibility. SPECIFICO talk 23:13, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

{YO|SPECIFICO}}You are wrong, the wording does not go back months, it was put in about a week ago, please review the page history.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:18, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Revenge AfD?

Hi Rusf10, I hope you're having a splendid holiday weekend. I thought you should know that this looks an awful lot like a reaction to this. That's not a good look. - MrX 🖋 21:11, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@MrX:I routinely nominate poor articles for deletion. You accusation of bad faith is uncalled for.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:53, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Really? So you were new page patrolling? No, that can't be because I'm auto-patrolled so you would not have seen it in the queue. Given that the article has ample sources; its subject is notable; it's grammatical; it's properly formatted; and it had no maintenance tags, I'm incredulous that out of 6,939,506 articles you just happened to find this "poor" article right after I reverted you edit.

My accusation of bad faith is exactly what was called for. Watch yourself. - MrX 🖋 00:26, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

MrX, I sympathize with that sentiment. When an article, including a stub, passes the criteria for a new article, an AfD is seen as a bad faith action. Alternatively, it can also be seen as a competency issue. Which is worse? Either one is bad, and the combination even worse. It's generally best to leave it alone and wait, especially if one has a COI of the negative kind. Don't be seen as a censor of that which you don't like. -- BullRangifer (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

• Wow. I have this page watchlisted in case any one wonders about my comment here or elsewhere and have to say the threats, bullying and bad faith accusations and the questioning of an editors competency are all violations of numerous polices and arbcom decisions.--MONGO (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Then take it to Arbcom, or just mind your own business MONGO. - MrX 🖋

Boo Hoo mongo. Those policies all need you to be more specific if you disparage another editor. As you did MrX. SPECIFICO talk 17:24, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Rusf10, I would not bother responding to this group. It's obvious they are just trying to provoke you.--MONGO (talk) 18:46, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

• I doubt much will happen at AN/I as ElC suggested it probably needs to be brought up at AE where the person you are complaining about has been previously warned not once but twice. It may get an unwelcome reception or little response what with the holidays upon many of us and seen as uncharitable. Or keep all this in your hip pocket for the next episode since this is a repeat issue.--MONGO (talk) 22:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@MONGO:I have no idea why you are agreeing with ELC. AE has never been a fair process. No matter what, every time I bring I complaint there I am attacked by biased admins, including one in particular who is completely arrogant and refused to recuse himself despite multiple people telling him he was WP:INVOLVED. I do not see how personal attacks on my talk page are automatically an AE issue.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Its all in the diffs Rusf10. If the diffs show what you claim (and I think they do) and the report to AN/I gained no traction then AE is the only other place it can go for now. Unless you want to file a full blown case at arbcom and that will be a slugfest, trust me. At AE they may sanction and they may blow it off but the AN/I thing is done and it won't be forum shopping since ElC said it belongs at AE. Or you could ask Awilley to examine the evidence but I prefer a plurality of admins on this matter. That editor once also said I had a competency issue...that and other things long overdue to be addressed are going to be real soon. But for now...its eggnog time.--MONGO (talk) 02:46, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

• Rusf10. My advice that you take this to AE was wrong apparently but I was going by an earlier comment by El C that the complaint belonged at AE. Foolishly, I anticipated some justice might be had, alas, tis not to be so and I am a fool for thinking such a forum would be anything other than what it has always been. My apologies.--MONGO (talk) 23:11, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

@MONGO:Not really your fault. This whole thing is a trap. BullRangifer basically interpreted user:Awilley's sanction/warning from last time to mean he can't personally attack anyone on an article talk pages, so that's means he now has a license to do so anywhere else he pleases(including user talk pages). Furthermore he refuses to admit he attacked me at all or apologize. Your diffs prove that his problem isn't just with me, but no one cares.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Questioning the competency of others is worse than a personal attack in my opinion.--MONGO (talk) 23:27, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

1. Don't pin this on bad advice from El_C. Yes, he said that AE was the correct venue, but he definitely didn't advise you to take it there. He said, "Rusf10 is free to relist this as an AE request, but I don't know if it is going to amount to much." and that was after saying he didn't find the content in question to be a personal attack.

2. BullRangifer didn't interpret...that's literally what the sanction says. Article Talk pages. But no, he can't personally attack anyone anywhere else, because WP:NPA applies everywhere.

3. If you really want an apology you could try asking for one. Or a retraction/strike. (That's what BR is supposed to do when he slips up on talk pages, and there's a good chance he'll do it here too.) But in my experience the best thing to do with personal attacks is to ignore them. They just make the attacker look bad. (See also meatball:DefendEachOther) ~Awilley (talk) 01:51, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

@Awilley:I understand WP:NPA applies everywhere, but BullRangifer has taken it to mean until someone comes to him to specifically say that personal attacks aren't allowed on user talk pages (like you did with the sanction for article talk pages), that's this is okay. This is why I don't think you sanction really made sense anyway. You basically told BullRangifer that he can't personally attack people on article talk pages which is something he never was allowed to do to begin with. I would not have filed a complaint against BullRangifer this time if not for two reasons: 1. I was not involved with any current dispute with him when he attacked me. 2. He attacked my competence, the same exact thing he attacked me for in the past and was warned about.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Awilley, no idea why we have NPA policies or expectations that editors are to refrain against commenting on other editors motivations, biases or mental capabilities of they aren't enforced. The occasional slip up is to be ignored yes but a constant barrage with multiple examples that are done even after being warned? There is no doubt in my mind that if I was reported with the diffs offered I'd be TB immediately. Instead we see the reporter being vilified for ah, reporting infractions and then being told to ignore those infractions.--MONGO (talk) 02:52, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. That's why I feel like this whole thing is a setup.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

1. I'm not going to wait for Rusf10 to seek an apology. I'll strike it right now. It was ill-advised, and I'm sorry about that.

2. El C is an experienced administrator who made the right call. My comment was a criticism, not a personal attack. Not all unpleasant things that are said are personal attacks. They're just uncomfortable criticisms. If I had resorted to name calling, now that would be a personal attack. Civil criticisms should not be interpreted as anything other than that. They are not personal attacks. The civil expression of differences of opinion should not be punished.

3. To make sure there is no misunderstanding of what I meant, I consider it a bad idea to ignore the notability rules for article creation and start an AfD. If an article is based on RS, give it a chance. Wait a while. If it was created on a deceptive or false basis, or it lacks RS to document notability, then, after a few days, try an AfD.

4. Awilley is absolutely correct that NPA applies everywhere, especially on article talk pages. Differences of opinion and criticisms that are directed at editors should be dealt with elsewhere, such as on personal talk pages. In that regard, Awilley did not unfairly intend for me to live by a different or higher standard than every other editor, although that has been the effect of the sanction I live under. So be it. Many other editors regularly engage in very hard criticisms, swearing, name calling, ad hominem attacks, etc, without anything happening to them, and they do it in front of many admins, including Awilley. I just have to accept that they are judged by a different standard. Even before and without the sanction, I do not engage in such behaviors, so my "infractions" have been rare and mild compared to what other editors are regularly allowed to do all the time. Where things can get really dicey are drama boards, which are designed for especially nasty things to be said, and, if backed by good diffs, they are not considered personal attacks. It takes thick skin to survive around here.

5. Drama boards should be used as a last resort. The process is inherently disruptive. Conflict resolution should start on article talk pages, then personal talk pages, and then, if no mutual understanding or apologies are reached, bring others into the picture. One does not have to be a Christian to see the wisdom of Christ's advice:

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." Matthew 18:15-17 (ESV)

If, after all that, a resolution cannot be achieved, only then should one go to AN/I, AE, etc. Those are nuclear options and very disruptive. They often create more heat than light.

That's why, in all the years I've been here (16 years), I have rarely used those measures, and never without having solid backing among a group of involved editors who agree on the nature of the problem. I'm not about to start a procedure where I'll end up standing alone looking like a fool. I don't trust my judgment that much, but if other editors have also been involved in trying to solve the same problem, then together we can accomplish something at a drama board.

We should seek to de-escalate, rather than escalate, problems. We should not try to get other editors into trouble. We should try to save them and maintain a collegial atmosphere. Seeking to escalate problems is battlefield behavior. It shows ill intent, a violation of AGF. By contrast, those who seek peaceful solutions are not engaged in battlefield behavior.

Only if an editor is recalcitrant and repeatedly refuses to collaborate or follow policy should we go to extreme measures, and then only to protect the project and defend our policies. We all make mistakes, and we should not be punished for occasional missteps. "Judge not lest you be judged by the same measure with which you judge." -- BullRangifer (talk) 03:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

That...ranks up there with one of the best non apologies I have read yet on this website. Ahem...you even questioned his competency twice in opening monologue over at AE. Above you call him disruptive for seeking an end to your attacks. Amazing.--MONGO (talk) 03:22, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

@BullRangifer:I do not accept your apology because it is not an apology. Even now, you still refuse to acknowledge the fact that you personally attacked me. And i have no idea why you keep referring to dispute resolution when we were weren't engaged in a dispute. You came here to attack me completely unprovoked. And although I respect others religious beliefs, I am not religious myself and do not appreciate you coming here to preach to me when you can't even admit to your own wrongdoing.Rusf10 (talk)

Have you noticed that both of you keep using the word "attack" many times above, even though others have told you it wasn't an attack? Even after they have told you, you keep repeating it. Just think about it. Your perceptions need to be tweaked, and no one else can do it for you. You can decide to remain angry or not. It takes a conscious decision to see things in a more positive light.

And MONGO, for some reason you are always the one edging Rusf10 on and inciting them to go after me and take revenge, so you share in all this. That doesn't help them or anyone else. You too have a grudge against me. You didn't use to be like this.

If you both want to keep carrying a grudge against me, that's on you. It harms both of you more than me, and that's both a sad and unfortunate pattern that keeps repeating itself. A grudge is like cancer in the soul, just like being unforgiving. It will keep gnawing away within you. If you could let go of it you'd both find more peace. We don't have to have wonderful feelings about each other, but you'd be better off without that grudge. Really, just let it go, and take the high road. You're both better than this. -- BullRangifer (talk) 06:25, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

BullRangifer, keep up the good work. You just carry on as usual...dont change a thing. Keep doing exactly what you've been doing.--MONGO (talk) 08:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Rusf10, I was told after a one day ban last summer that all non-complimentary personal commentary about another editor--even if you're simply repeating something the editor has said about himself--is considered out of bounds. I found this clarifying at the time, and I've tried to abide by it since then, and I do think it is helpful advice. At that time, on my talk page, there was something of a consensus to reject the distinction made above between personal criticism and personal attacks. We should really be making no such distinction in my view. You don't need to talk about other editors to edit content. But, as expected, I have seen that this standard is really only for people like you and me, and another standard is in place for others. Shinealittlelight (talk) 13:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

"this standard is really only for people like you and me, and another standard is in place for others." This is precisely the problem. @Awilley: If BullRangifer were perceived as a "pro-Russian" editor, can you imagine admins at WP:AE making excuses for BullRangifer's atrocious Asperger's comment? I'm sure I'd be site-banned in short order for such a comment, and the very same admins now making excuses for BR would be leading the charge against me. This is what I meant by "ideological allies." It's obvious where the ideological sympathies of most of the admins active at WP:AE lie, and pretending this isn't an issue just perpetuates the problem. The Kafkaesque logic about banning Rusf10 from AE for making what almost everyone acknowledges is a valid complaint is just further confirmation of this ideological bias. The admins see a clear, egregious violation of Misplaced Pages's rules of civility (the Asperger's comment), but can't bring themselves to sanction an editor they politically align with, and instead propose a ban against the editor they politically dislike for the crime of bringing a valid complaint. It's so blatant, but the admins don't appear to care about even the appearance of impartiality any more. -Thucydides411 (talk) 20:19, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

False edit summary against consensus

You removed the word "found" at Donald Trump claiming that you were implementing talk page consensus. Nobody would read the talk page, with many editors of all stripes advocating for "found", and believe that your edit or summary was appropriate. This is disruptive and it's concerning that you appear to have done similar things repeatedly in recent edits. SPECIFICO talk 22:13, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO:It's actually the opposite. Editors of all stripes are against using "found" (the word from the Democrats' partisan report and the quote from Adam Schiff). Only you, Mr. X, and one other person are insistent on using such misleading wording. A partisan report is not a statement of fact.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:57, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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Note

Following up from several pings I got from AN/I the other day, yes the sanction is depricated, and sorry for not logging it. It slipped my mind at the time. In the absence of a formal sanction, you should still consider this a warning about filling vexatious requests for admin intervention against ideological opponents and recognize that if you continue to do so any admin is likely to hit you with a standard sanction like a topic ban. ~Awilley (talk) 23:45, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Rusf10!

Rusf10,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
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advice for the future

It would have been much easier to deal with current disputes had you not posted your "final thoughts." As hints for how to use Misplaced Pages procedure: 1)don't overgeneralize. Link to other instances if necessary, but don't draw conclusions 2) do not show animus. A plain objectivity works best. Rarely is someone out to get you in particular. If they are, rely on others to see it for themselves.

@DGG:Thanks for your advice and I can not thank you enough for being objective in this matter, but I call things the way I see them. MastCell's previous edit was on Dec 7th. He barely contributes to wikipedia at all anymore. Its pretty clear to me that someone (though I do not know who) summoned him to AE. MastCell wanted to topic ban me since June 2018 over a dispute about using an opinion article as a reliable source. He called for a topic ban again here and said that questioning my "competence in this instance is arguably fair". Is he out to get me? You be the judge, but he is among the most biased admins and imo uses AE as a tool to ban people who's political beliefs do not align with his own. Another user has already documented his bias here.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:42, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

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A pie for you!

I admire your tenacity in sticking to your position that MSNBC should be defined as the liberal organization that it is. I tried to insert language describing the network as liberal or left leaning, and was blasted out of the water each time. The overwhelmingly liberal editors here simply refuse to allow anything but their own POV in articles. Keep up the good fight! GlassBones (talk) 18:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

William Barr

On the page, "William Barr," I added two lines of important information about the relationship between William Barr, his father Donald Barr, and Jeffrey Epstein. The edits were small, convey uncontroversial and biographically relevant facts, and were backed up with reputable journalistic news sources. You undid my revisions, noting that the article is about William Barr, not Donald Barr. Of course, this objection is irrelevant, since my edits were also about William Barr, and the mention of Donald Barr occurs in a paragraph that already contained details about Donald Barr, who is William Barr's father. If you believe that the article should contain *no* information about Donald Barr, then you should remove that entire paragraph and make your case for doing so on the discussion page. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1120:60:F8AE:4E8:E3C5:353F (talk) 20:39, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Sanction removed

The sanction placed on you relating to filing administrative sanctions is now removed per an AN discussion. Good luck! --qedk (t 桜 c) 19:50, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

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