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My reason for considering lifting your T-ban for Andy Ngo was, and remains, that I don't want any editor to have to constantly worry whether they're violating a T-ban or not. Therefore, I'm willing to replace your topic ban with an article ban from Andy Ngo and Talk:Andy Ngo. No gray areas there. Please note that an article ban would apply to any and all editing of the pages in question: don't correct a typo or change punctuation, don't revert vandalism. Nothing. You may discuss Ngo anywhere else on Misplaced Pages, with the caveat that if you discuss him a lot on other pages, or (I don't mean to ABF, but) appear to be skirting the article ban in some way, I may restore the full topic ban. Though not without a warning first. Would that suit? Feel free to instead appeal at AE or AN for an unconditional lifting of the T-ban, if you prefer. Bishonen | talk 16:11, 7 January 2020 (UTC).

Do you accept this proposal? I forgot to say that I don't think an article ban would need to be indefinite. A year would work for me. Bishonen | talk 12:47, 9 January 2020 (UTC).

Bishonen, thanks for getting back to me. I'd really like to clean to slate and have the sanction removed entirely at some point. Are you proposing that you commute the topic ban to an article ban now and then lift the sanction entirely a year from now? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:19, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Bishonen | talk 12:04, 10 January 2020 (UTC).

How about we change to article ban now and lift the entire sanction one year from its start, September 11, 2020? Jweiss11 (talk) 22:10, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I've taken a good look at your previous edits to Andy Ngo and its talkpage, and I'm OK with that suggestion. Your topic ban from Andy Ngo has been commuted to an article ban per my specifics above, to run from now to September 11, 2020. Bishonen | talk 12:15, 11 January 2020 (UTC).

Excellent. Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Logged here, in case anybody asks. Bishonen | talk 19:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC).

Harvard Crimson football 1901

Parke Davis' selection for 1901, as published in the 1935 Spalding's Foot Ball Guide (which he himself edited until his death), was Harvard. (Reference: Okeson, Walter R., ed. (1935). Spalding's Official Foot Ball Guide 1935. New York: American Sports Publishing Co. p. 233.) I own a copy of the 1935 Guide. Thus, Billingsley and Davis, the other two retrospective selectors, both chose Harvard. Jeff in CA (talk) 00:44, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Jeff, thanks for dropping a line. Seems there may some confusion about the Parke Davis champ for 1901. See 1901 Yale Bulldogs football team and College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS. @Cbl62: thoughts here? Jweiss11 (talk) 00:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

If any team can lay claim to a 1901 national championship, it's the 1901 Michigan Wolverines football team, of course. That said, the official 2019 NCAA Record Book says that Parke Davis declared Yale, not Harvard, as his 1901 national champion. See here at p 113. Cbl62 (talk) 03:28, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if the NCAA just made a typo, as 1901 Harvard Crimson football team went 12–0 and beat 1901 Yale Bulldogs football team, who finished 11–1–1. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:11, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cbl62: @Jeff in CA: I picked up a copy of the 1935 Spalding's Foot Ball Guide and can confirm that Jeff is correct. Page 233 only makes mention of Harvard being Davis's national champ for 1901. I suspect the Yale thing is just an error in the NCAA records. Should we edit Parke H. Davis, 1901 Yale Bulldogs football team, George S. Stillman, Yale Bulldogs football, College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS to reflect this? Jweiss11 (talk) 18:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

My desire, for the sake of accuracy, is to edit those articles to reflect this. I picked up copies of the 1939 and 1941 Football Guides and the 1989 and 1992 NCAA Football records books. I also searched the 1995 Official Records Book at Google Books. 1941 was the first year that the guide was not published by Spalding, although it was still edited by Walter Okeson. The format was changed, and it no longer included Parke Davis' selections of "Outstanding Nationwide and Sectional Teams." The 1939 Guide also did not include Davis' list. In both the 1989 and 1992 records books only a few major selectors are listed (Dickinson, Dunkel, Williamson, Litkenhous and Helms). In the 1995 records book, Davis' selections appear (with the 1901 error) in the format in which they are listed in the recent books. I strongly suspect that this error dates to the first appearance of Davis' selections in the annual records book. Note that Davis' picks in 1900 and 1902 did include Yale. Jeff in CA (talk) 23:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

I also purchased and checked the 1934 Spalding Guide, and for 1901, Parke Davis' list states, "Harvard." Jeff in CA (talk) 01:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

If both of you are unequivocally convinced of this error, I have no objection to editing the impacted pages. However, there should be some explanatory footnote on both the Yale and Harvard pages making note of the discrepancy in NCAA records. Cbl62 (talk) 21:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

–present formatting

"–present" is supposed to be included; see any article on politicians and other people with terms for this. The lack of them in coaching navboxes was some archaic style that somehow was kept alive over the years. ~ Dissident93 03:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dissident93: I don't know that's it's "archaic". I know "present" was intentionally omitted from college sports tenure navboxes, where the current formatting for all these sports navboxes was first developed, circa 2010. There are well over 1,000 such navboxes using that format across college and pro sports. Can you show me an example of a politician or other occupational tenure navbox with parenthetical years that uses "present"? Jweiss11 (talk) 03:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, do you remember why they were omitted? Also, just check any current-tenured leader's (president/prime minister/CEO, etc) article and you should see it. (some quick examples include Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, and Jeff Bezos) Any ongoing event, like wars and conflicts, also use this formatting, such as the Iraqi conflict (2003–present) and the War in Darfur. Do you know of any non-sports examples that do the same? Because otherwise I just see this as somebody's old personal preference that became a sport-related standard in an era when we had less guidelines and policies. And how come we only omit this in navboxes and not the actual articles of the same subjects? I simply fail to see why we should continue to use this formatting. ~ Dissident93 05:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any navboxes with parenthetical years in any of those articles. I believe the main rationale for omitting "present" in the navboxes was to reduce clutter. Whatever the case, it's not appropriate to just decide that the 32 NFL coach navboxes are an exception to a standard implemented on well over 1,000 sports tenure navboxes; see everything downstream from Category:Sports coach navigational boxes and Category:Sports executive navigational boxes. We should have a discussion first. Also, I believe that you misused the rollback feature in reverting my edits. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:50, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Most viewed Michigan Wolverines football articles in 2019

See User:Cbl62/Most viewed Michigan Wolverines football articles in 2019. It would be great to find a way to automate a list like this. I prepared it manually. Feel free to add anyone (or anything) who you think I may have missed (my criteria was > 10,000 page views). Cbl62 (talk) 22:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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Michigan bowl game navbox

Someone is adding a Michigan bowl navbox to player bios. E.g., here. This strikes me as wrong since the players are not listed in the navbox. Thoughts? Cbl62 (talk) 23:15, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Certainly wrong. Should be removed. I’m away from a computer the next couple days. Can you drop that editor a note? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 00:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Done. I hope you enjoy your time away from the computer. Cbl62 (talk) 02:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

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George H. Garrey

I reverted your additions to George H. Garrey because they appear to fail WP:V. Have you seen any reliable sources stating he coached for Stevens Point? It's very possible that {{Wisconsin–Stevens Point Pointers football coach navbox}} is incorrect. And even if it can be determined that he coached for a single season, I think a head coach statistics box is unwarranted and lends undue weight to a relatively minor aspect of his biography. Garrey is most known for mining geology: his article should thus not look like that of a college coach. His 4–1 season, if verifiable, can simply be stated in text. Cheers, --Animalparty! (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

@Animalparty: Thanks for the message. I agree about the lack of verification on Garrey being the Stevens Point coach in 1899. All we have is the Steven Points athletic website indicating that a "Mr. Garrey" was the head football coach in 1899; see here. @Bigredlance: did you ever find anything more conclusive that this George H. Garrey is the guy here? Animalparty, on the other issue, I disagree about the head coaching table, if the connection can be proven. That's a standard table that is included on every bio article for a college football head coach, irrespective of what else they were notable for. Many coaches in the 1800s and early 1900s only coached for a short time before going into other fields like academics, politics, law, finance, medicine, or the military, and often becoming at least as notable or more so in those other fields, e.g. Lucius Littauer, Harry Arista Mackey, William R. Blair, Frank W. Milburn, Fred W. Green, Evans Woollen, Arthur B. Woodford, Thomas Cochran (banker), and many more. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

My apologies for stalking. I suspect that, based on searches, that the Mr. Garrey may actually be Walter E. Garrey, George's brother and a former Chicago football player who in 1899 was studying for a Ph.D and would have potentially taken a coaching job for some easy money.108.21.182.146 (talk) 21:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

108.21.182.146, no worries. That's great info. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Edits

Hi- Just out of curiosity, are you tracking my edits or something, and if so, why? 108.21.182.146 (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I have looked at your edits a few times as you are editing college football coaching bio articles, most of which I have spent time on in the past. Can you check out the formatting edits I've been making to your additions? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 16:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I respect the candor. I will work on my formatting, my apologies for that.108.21.182.146 (talk) 16:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Also I am probably going to be making an account soon. FYI so you don't think I'm being a sockpuppet. I will let you know the username when it is created, though I will not want to publicly link it to an IP address for obvious reasons. Once I do I will not be making any edits from this or other IP addresses.108.21.182.146 (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

No worries. I'm happy to discuss any points of style you might have questions or issues with. I was just about to suggest that register you an account. You seem like you have a lot to offer the project (e.g. that nice research you dug up about the Garrey brothers of Chicago). Jweiss11 (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. That research was nothing. 15-20 min. 108.21.182.146 (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I made an account. Thanks.FlaviusFunderburke (talk) 21:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Overcapitalization

Is there a reason why, as in this diff, you frequently change "football" to "Football" in categories? It strikes me as overcapitalization since football is not a proper noun. Cbl62 (talk) 19:20, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm aware it's not a proper noun and would never do this for any sort of displayed content, but my understanding is that for category sort keys, each word is supposed to be capitalized. There's probably something turnabout this buried somewhere in the archives of Misplaced Pages talk:Categorization. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Template:1903 Midwestern college football independents records

There seems to be an error in Template:1903 Midwestern college football independents records. When it loads into an article, this happens. Any idea what happened here? Cbl62 (talk) 07:29, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Given the successful outcome on the first round of deletion discussions for the independents templates, feel free to nominate 1891-1904 ... or wait until we knock out a few more ... your call. Cbl62 (talk) 20:37, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@Cbl62: I've nominated 1889 thru 1905 here. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:27, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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Did you see my response and counter proposal? Thoughts? FlaviusFunderburke (talk) 02:39, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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