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Notability and such

Well, in cases where there are established notability criteria like WP:BIO, I definitely think that can be cited in deletion debates and it will be pretty much accepted. If you can refer to a guideline like that and explain how the page fails to meet it, non-notability in itself should be enough to justify deletion. I don't know if perhaps you did that and I just spaced it out because I am very tired right now. Glad I could help with my comments. - AdelaMae 09:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Good work re Starwood

Good work removing all those Starwood links. It's definitely to the point of deliberate google pagerank boosting. Fact is, it's only one of a very many festivals of its type, as far as I can tell, and while (if it deserves its own article) a list of notable performers/workshop teachers might be good on its own article, I don't think every single one of them needs a link to Starwood on their page. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 06:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, Excellent work! --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 06:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Starwood mediation

I sort of got a recommendation from User:Addhoc that you could possibly give some advice on the Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-03 Starwood Festival. Mediation seems rather stalled for the moment and we have no mediator in charge. Related to this is Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Mattisse as well. I'm uncertain whether we should move on to WP:RFAR or what. Since things seem to be heading to another edit war, I'd really like some input from a more experienced hand at this. We really need a help with this situation. If nothing else, we could use feedback on this situation if you have the time to do so. Also FYI, I'm also mentioning this to User:Ars Scriptor, another recommendation from Addhoc. Thanks. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 19:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I would be happy to help. I'll take some time to look things over and then I'll comment. Peace - Che Nuevara 20:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

re: Starwood

Hey there, I have been following the Starwood thing for quite some time but I have stayed out of it because I'm not sure I can be neutral. My opinion is that the festival should not be linked, internal or external, to any artist at all. My reason is this: WP:BAND does not list "appeared at a notable festival" as a criteria for notability. Therefore, appearing at Starwood does not create or add to anyone's notability. So if that is an artist's only claim to notability here, their article should be deleted. You don't see other musician's articles listing venues they have played, so I don't see why Starwood should be any different. Major tours, yes, individual festivals and venues, no.

Of course, the trick is how to go about removing the links without edit-warring. As long as it can be illustrated that the majority of editors believe the links should not be there (and that seems to be the case), they should be removed without further delay. --Ars Scriptor 21:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that WP:SPAM is a guideline, not a policy. Therefore, I wouldn't block Rosencomet unless there was a clear consensus against what he's doing, which there really isn't, yet. I guess what I would do right now is open an RfC on Talk:Starwood Festival asking the simple question, "Is it appropriate to add internal links to this article and external links to Starwood-related sites, to dozens of articles on people who have appeared at this festival?" If the consensus is no, then we can remove the links and block people who try to re-add them. As a courtesy to Salix Alba, who opened the mediation case, you should let him know what you're doing and ask if he'd consider withdrawing the case until the RfC is complete. --Ars Scriptor 01:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

You are correct on the RfC. Whereas generally only a handful of affected people visit and participate in a mediation case, an RfC is posted linked to a public location where it invites any interested people to comment. It draws in a much larger cross-section of the community, who are mostly neutral. It will be interesting to discover whether Salix Alba believes anything is being accomplished in the mediation case regarding the excessive linking. --Ars Scriptor 04:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Starwood

I saw your note on Ars Scriptor's talk page. It seems that since Rosencomet reverted you earlier, Ekajati talked some sense into him on his talk page. He has removed the external links that he restored on several articles. He may have missed some, but I don't think that was intentional. I've cleaned up one or two myself. I think there is general agreement from myself, Ekajati and Rosencomet that the external links can be removed. I think there will be no further objection as long as the internal Wikilinks are left. Might I suggest taking it up on the talk page of the article in those few cases where it is really not appropriate. I've restored some internal links that I think should be left. I have not restored others that I agree are too distantly related to matter. I think this is about to sort itself out unless you (or User:Kathryn NicDhàna) choose to unnecessarily escalate it... —Hanuman Das 02:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

User talk:CheNuevara:

Thank you for your offer to mediate the Starwood mediation (is that a proper sentence?) I would welcome you in that role. I am willing to attend in good faith. I won't throw tantrums. I'll listen to advice. I'll try to be civil at all times and will apologize if I overstep civil discourse. (Now if everyone would just agree to these things as well...) --Pigman (talk • contribs) 04:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. :) - Che Nuevara 04:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

I saw your thank you message on my talk page. Thanks for your thank you!Thaurisil 10:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Starwood

Thanks for your response. I've set up a mediation page at Talk:Starwood Festival/mediation where I've addressed the issues raised on my talk page.

Peace! - Che Nuevara 06:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

question

Whenever you put this list on a page, e.g. Talk:Starwood Festival/mediation, it never goes anywhere except "No such special page". How do I get to the page that link is pointing out? Thanks! Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 18:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for all that you are doing. You are doing it well, in my opinion. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 18:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

on the Musart article - what to do?

I just ran across this: Musart. The links at the bottom are bad. One goes nowhere. The other pertains if anything to this: Musart Records -- which I wrote (not very well) trying to sort out the problem regarding various (legitimate) artists whose articles list this label -- none of which are in that list on Musart. What to do? Perhaps you know. Thank you. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

As you can see, it's the usual Starwood Festival crowd listed. I wonder if this is hopeless. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, now this is not funny, Mattisse. That article, as you have to know, was started by Flinders, who was confirmed by CheckUser as one of your sockpuppets. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, the article itself is the issue, not the creation of it. If you see there's a problem with the content of the article, please correct it. That would be helpful. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 19:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

link

Is it a browser thing? I use Firefox. The last time you used that link it didn't work for me either. I'm not technical and do not understand these things! Is it just me? Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does now. Wow, what an eye full! Thanks. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Careful with popups

Heya. Thanks for your efforts in countervandalism. Always nice to see another wikipedian working hard on the matter. Look out for popups though, as they can occasionally lead to reverting to the wrong version (Common dolphin for example). Cheers! --Brad Beattie (talk) 03:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Musart

The reason I deleted the external links from the article was because they did not seem connected to the Musart described in the article. One of those links referred to a Mexican record company founded in 1948 and the other was broken but a little fiddling found it referred to the same company. This seemed incorrect for an event sponsored by a group based in Ohio and a musician based in Ann Arbor, MI. Was I wrong? If you have different supporting information, please add it to the page. I'm acting on the information available to me. While I've heard of the rest of ACE's projects, I'm not familiar with this one. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 18:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It hardly matters. The whole article should be re-done. The sole artist in the list that actually HAS worked with Musart is Dennis Chernin. The only connection ACE has with Musart (besides booking its founder, Muruga Booker, and his band Global Village) was a co-sponsored event called the SpiritDrum Festival, a tribute to the passing of Babatunde Olatunji held in 2002 at the same site Starwood takes place. The two groups also plan to release a CD (and maybe a DVD) from that event one day. Musart is an interesting company which, among other things, released a CD called Cosmic Rhythm Vibrations, re-released by Chesky Records recently as Circle of Drums, featuring Muruga Booker, Babatunde Olatunji, and Sikiru Adepoju. I believe it has ties to Merl Saunders, George Clinton, Jai Uttal and Krishna Das. Rosencomet 19:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a Musart link, for what it's worth: Rosencomet 20:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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Odd block

That is rather strange. If you run into this problem again, please send me an email or leave another note on my talk page and we can adjust the block parameters. Take care, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Musart stuff

Thanks for the link on Musart. Perhaps you didn't notice that I had added that one as an external link in the article the same day I removed the other external links. Thanks again for your suggestion and input. --Pigman (talk • contribs) 20:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

No, but I saw it since then. I just changed the text to at least be an accurate stub. I really don't care what happens to it, but if anyone wants to add to it, at least they'll be adding to something that isn't total fiction. I wish I had a list of their albums; maybe I could find them on Muruga's webpage. Ain't much on the Musart one. Rosencomet 20:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Your comment here

(warning template removed). User:Rosencomet has claimed to be the executive director of ACE.. Rosencomet also stated that Jeff Rosenbaum is exec director . --BostonMA 15:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)