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July 2006 – September 2006

Footnotes

One of the issues with the cite.php footnote style is that you have to add the "references/" tag at the end, or the footnotes won't display. It's completely non-obvious and not at all a dumb question. I've added the tag in the male contraceptives article so you can see how it works. Lyrl _Contribs 01:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Hi Cindery. It appears the page you linked to is copyrighted, which includes the picture, I assume. In order to use images here, we have to be sure they're released under GFDL, or something at least as free. If you have an image that's free to use, then you can upload it by clicking the "upload file" link over on the left side of the page. I hope that answers your question; please let me know if I can help more. -GTBacchus 18:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The article's on my watchlist, and I'll contribute what I can, when I can. For finding images, try Misplaced Pages:Requested pictures. I'm no image expert, but I think the people there will know some stuff. Thanks for the good editing. -GTBacchus 07:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

re:primary/secondary sources in sci/med

I think the issue is a little bit bigger than that. If I emphasized using popular sources, then I admit I was wrong there. But the use of reliable secondary sources (monographs, scientific textbooks, etc) still seems more favorable than citing individual studies all the time. I know it can be hard to find secondary sources for current events, so that can be a challenge as well. What I most importantly want everyone to keep in mind is the "no original research bit". Sometimes it takes an expert to be able to interpret scientific studies. And publishing such interpretations for the first time here on wikipedia violates OR. Towards the top of the page you quoted me is:

"In general, Misplaced Pages articles should not depend on primary sources but rather on reliable secondary sources who have made careful use of the primary-source material. Most primary-source material requires training to use correctly, especially on historical topics. Misplaced Pages articles may use primary sources only if they have been published by a reliable publisher e.g. trial transcripts published by a court stenographer, or historic documents that appear in edited collections."

They focus more on having things be verifiable and reliable and representive of the "scientific consensus". Following these guidelines, I still feel the rat study of mifepristone has nothing to do with the human deaths, unless we can cite a reliable source connecting the two (not a popular press article, but something that first WP:RS). Side note, good work with the ME article! Oh and I'm glad your user page isn't a redlink anymore. (sounds like we have a lot in common)--Andrew c 16:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know where to go from here. I hadn't heard from you or been in conflict with you in 10 days, then you decide to post a snipet of policy on my talk page. How could I not interpret that as anything but you trying to wave the fact that I was wrong about something in my face? I replied and tried to defend myself, while admitting I was wrong about somethings. And I tried to be calm and civil. And now I get a fairly long reply attacking me personally (in my first reply, I didn't mention you personally except to compliment you twice), demanding an apology, chiding me on policy, and accusing me of not doing my research. I'm sorry, I cannot reply to your accusations point by point. I do not want to get defensive again. I know we got off on a bad foot, and if we are going to be working on some of the same articles, I'd really like to be friendly, and civil, and put all of this behind us. If admitting you are right about everything will bring us to that point, I'm willing to do that. If we can admit that we both got defensive and had knee jerk reactions in the past and took things personally, and that we may not always see eye to eye, but we can disagree in an adult and professional manner, I'm ready to move on. However, if there are still specific matters you want me to personally address, or if we still need to sit down and work things out from our past, lets do that. --Andrew c 20:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Finding urls

I replied on my talk page. Lyrl _Contribs 22:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

EC

I reverted your edit to the Emergency Contraception article since I think you removed more than you intended. Thannks --TeaDrinker 17:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. here is the diff from my revert. I assumed you were editing in Firefox tabs or something similar, since the last few sections disappeared with your edit (something that happens accidentally with certain browsers). I didn't think you had intended to deleted, for instance, the language links or references section. Was this actually your intent? I probably should have been clearer with my message... Thanks, --TeaDrinker 17:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem, I've been having a morning like that too. Cheers, --TeaDrinker 18:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Possible Google Toolbar bug?

I know I keep getting the warning:

Attention, users of Firefox with Google Toolbar: You may find that long pages are cut off unexpectedly while editing in tabs; please be careful. This issue has been reported to Google, and appears to have been fixed; please upgrade to the latest version of Google Toolbar.

I have the Firefox imitation Google Toolbar, rather than the one that's actually made by Google, so I haven't been affected by the bug. But, I wonder if that's what happened to you? If so, upgrading the Google Toolbar should fix it. Lyrl _Contribs 23:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Silver Surfer Sez

Actually, he wouldn't say anything. He'd just jump on his surfboard. You know, the Meat Puppets have a song called, 'I'm a Mindless Idiot.' I think I'd rather be an East Coast Intellectual. Mumblio 21:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Your filing of 3RR

Please follow the instructions in WP:AN/3RR#Copy-paste-edit this for a new report and then paste it after the bottomost report. --WinHunter 09:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you would like to give me the name of the article where the 3RR violation took place? That way I can assess whether 3RR was being broken. --WinHunter 09:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Protected Abortion

I am not going to block anyone for 3RR violation at this time, call it an amnesty if you may. I have protected the page instead, please discuss the changes in the talk page instead of reverting each other. Many thanks. --WinHunter 09:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Mumblio Speaks!

I've kept up with the abortion page, Cindery. If things were this rough on the boxing page, there would be blood in the streets! I may be young in the ways of Wiki - before two days ago, the only sock puppets I'd heard of were in WHAT ABOUT BOB - but I am sadly experienced in the ways of the world ('for he who increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow.'). However, it looks like things are moving in a good direction. I think I'll go back to the page and do some proofing and a bit of copy-editing post-consensus.

Welcoming

I saw that you just tried to welcome a user (it showed up on the bootcamp channel on IRC because of the helpme template). For future reference, the template to use is {{subst:welcome}} ~~~~. Hope that helps you out! -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 01:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

After I welcomed a user (explaining why I had reverted one of their edits), one of the admins told me anyone can welcome new users, and pointed me to Misplaced Pages:Welcome templates that has a bunch of different messages.

I do not know, but suspect, that admins go to blank user talk pages to put the welcome message. So if someone starts leaving messages for a new user before an admin welcomes them, that user's talk page will no longer be on the admin's "needs to be welcomed" list. Lyrl _Contribs 16:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking for myself, I welcome as I notice and see fit. I am not sure what you mean by a "needs to be welcomed" list. KillerChihuahua 10:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

FYI, you may wish to check out the welcoming committee. KillerChihuahua 10:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Editing

Hey there Cindery. What do you need help with? --Casper2k3 15:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

two pages I have been working on--Menstrual extraction and Jesse Reklaw are missing things as though they had been unintentionally blanked after edits I made (section headers, references, external links..) the blanked things seem to be in the article when I edit--but they just don't show up? I can't figure out how to fix this. Tks Cindery 16:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I can see what you mean - the Jesse Reklaw has gone a bit 'wonky'! I'm having a look-see through the article now to see where the problem might be.

At first glance Menstrual extraction seems to be ok. What things are missing from that one? --Casper2k3 16:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks so much for helping. Menstrual extraction is completely missing a section called "Use after legalisation of abortion," and a New York Times citation... Cindery 16:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

One down, one to go! The problem with Jesse Reklaw was you didn't complete the last reference in the article. I removed <ref name="yale"> from the page and it's working fine. Have a look here to see how I fixed it. Gonna have a look at the Menstrual extraction article now. --Casper2k3 16:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

helpme

I am trying to give the surreal barnstar to User:Astanhope, but I have done it wrong and can't figure out why... Cindery 01:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! The code you should have used is :

		The Surreal Barnstar
		message Ali K 01:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

. I have fixed it on the other user's page. --Ali K 01:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

or not... It seems you have tried to edit at the same time. I will leave you to fix it :) --Ali K 01:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you! How kind! --AStanhope 17:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Postmarketing surveillance

I can't find an article on the topic. How shocking. To the credits of pharmaceutical companies, they still haven't realised that Misplaced Pages would be a great marketing tool if they could get their representatives edit articles! (Won't give them ideas.) Will you start the article? I'll contribute in due time. There is some roughly useful basic content on pharmaceutical company. JFW | T@lk 20:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

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Related Statistics and Studies

Hey Cindry, I'm kinda new to wikipedia so I apologize for not noting my changes until recently. I have several issues with you edits though.

1) In the statement regarding "Two peer-papers studies have shown that when emergency contraception is available, the incidence of unprotected sex does not increase." You claim that the ref does not claim that unprotected sex doesn't increase. This is false, both papers make this claim.

In the "Norris Turner A, Ellertson C (2002). "How safe is emergency contraception?". Drug Saf 25 (10): 695-706. PMID 12167065." reference this is a direct quote from the paper:

"Nevertheless, at least two published studies report that when emergency contraception is more available, women are more likely to use it when needed, but that their incidence of unprotected sex does not increase."

In the "Harper C, Cheong M, Rocca C, Darney P, Raine T (2005). "The effect of increased access to emergency contraception among young adolescents.". Obstet Gynecol 106 (3): 483-91. PMID 16135577." this is the other quote:

"Adolescents aged younger than 16 years behaved no differently in response to increased access to emergency contraception (EC) from the other age groups. As with adults, EC use was greater among adolescents in advance provision than in clinic access (44% compared with 29%; P < or = .001), and other behaviors were unchanged by study arm, including unprotected intercourse, condom use, sexually transmitted infection acquisition, or pregnancy. "

You need to actually read the articles!!! Being lazy and just reading an abstract may not give you all the important information contained in the paper.

2) In terms of your summary of the Swedish study I edited it cause it was clearly biased and purposefully misleading. Try and be a little more fair in summarizing the studies.

3) In statement regarding "A United States study of 2,117 people up to age 24 including 964 adolescents (90 of them younger than 16) found no differences in pregnancy rates or rates of new sexually transmitted infections between individuals given access to ECPs and those under traditional care. Additionally, access to ECPs did not effect regular contraceptive use or risky sexual behaviors.".

The existance of a non-ECP group is completely irrelevent. People want to know what might possibly happen if ECPs are made readily available as opposed to only being available through prescription. This is the crux of the argument regarding making ECPs available over the counter. Therefore a proper control group would involve a population of individuals under traditional care (i.e. ECPs only being available with presciption). A non-ECP group has very limited relevance as such a group doesn't exist in most modern countries.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by RegisA (talk • contribs) 23:15, 29 September 2006

Advanced techniques for use with new users

Thats tips for you to use when dealing with new users, not things to be applied to you, a now seasoned editor :-)

Hi Cindery, I try to continue to read the updates to contraception topics. Most of the finer discussions are above my own level of knowledge/familiarity with the research, or my more limited time now to research into (work has picked up). I thought you responded well to the anon's above posting on their talk page (especially ignoring the straying from strict WP:AGF tone). Couple of advanced tips for your growing repetoir:

• To belatedly add a signature on ones talk page to someone elses unsigned posting, use the {{unsigned| <user name or the anon's URL address> }} tag. Hence I've just added for you above :{{unsigned|RegisA}} 23:15, 29 September 2006
• If adding the 1st posting to a new users talk page, add a welcome template message. These provide links to important policies and guidelines for a new user to beome aware of and discuss why & how to sign talk pages. Should the new user later prove disruptive, they can't complain no one pointed them in the right direction of the policies. With welcome templates, direct linking to the template is not done, but instead the markup code can be automatically substituted in for one using {{subst: <template name> }} tag. Hence {{subst:welcome}} generated this change to the anon's talk page. Other welcome templates are listed at Misplaced Pages:Welcome templates :-)David Ruben 15:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

{{help me}}

i need to report a 3RR violation by 71.242.186.236 for the 4th time tonight, he insisted on inserting uncited, irrelevant info about himself into an article not about him... Cindery 06:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

First, make sure that there actually has been a 3RR; they must have removed another's edit 4 times to have broken the rule (which in the case of inserting information against consensus requires 5 insertions). If you think they have broken the rule you can report the matter at the 3RR noticeboard. --ais523 07:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Inserting information, then inserting different information, is not a revert, so it's not 3RR. However, if you think the anon is being disruptive, you could take the issue to AN/I, or use one of the dispute resolution processes. --ais523 07:43, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Swkap

I've unblocked this account after he sent me an email protesting that he hadn't committed vandalism. I decided that given the minor nature of the contributions, I couldn't justify connecting him with the IP, and apologised and unblocked him. Unforunately, I overlooked the fact that the email was coming from - sigh - Samuel Kaplan, the name being inserted into the article, which is a pretty significant connection.

I'm not reblocking now, but I'm going to keep an eye on what he does to the article in the future. If he makes such obviously self-promotional edits as before, then I'll reblock. But if he continues with edits like those from this account that aren't obviously self-promotional, then I'd like you to consider them independently and not automatically treat them as vandalism for the time being. Sorry about this mess. --Sam Blanning 20:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd better say that at least he's spoken to someone now, which is a significant change from his previous behaviour where he doesn't seem to have made any attempt to communicate - so even leaving my mixup aside, I think he needs to be given a chance to contribute properly. --Sam Blanning 21:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Planned Parenthood

You know, with all the crap my wife (and I, by extension) get for working for PP from our various right-wing relatives for "killing babies" and "promoting promiscuity", I'm kind of glad that there are those for whom her ideological committment to what she does is insufficiently pure because her organization has a fundraising arm.

I look forward to the day when you spend sixty hours a week going to inner-city public high schools explaining to kids that no, you don't have to have sex just because your boyfriend wants to, and if you do, you don't have to get pregnant, if you do get pregnant when you don't want to, you don't have to have a baby. I'm sure you'll do it some community-based way that somehow manages to not bring profit to a single for-profit entity. Good luck with that. --Jfruh (talk) 20:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You're right, it's just going to make me furious. I'm unwatching the page. There ought to be a Misplaced Pages version of the serenity prayer (accept things that can't be changed etc.).

By the way, it's my wife who's employed by PP, not me, and on the education side, not the medical side, which I think is pretty important and valuable. --Jfruh (talk) 21:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Welcome back from your wikibreak. I'm glad to see you still watching contraception related article. Keep up the good work.--Andrew c 23:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, you may want to take a look at Talk:Depo Provera. Someone is making a compelling case to remove some information that I believe you added. Either way, your opinion in the matter would be valued. Thanks.--Andrew c 00:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Cindery, I've modified my comments a bit to avoid saying anyone's right, or even mostly right. I really don't want to get involved in an edit war or give opinion on who is behaving well (leave that for the admins). I disagree with SlimVirgin that the article is not "Depo Provera use in humans". 99% of the article is human-oriented, as is the case with most drug articles on Misplaced Pages. Those two bullet points sit amongst other points that are clearly human-specific and based on human studies. The author of the second paper does "predict" what you claim. Whether a prediction by a basic researcher is worthy of mention, I'm not sure. My own (lay) experience of anticonvulsant research is that lots of things are predicted by basic research that turn out to be mistaken when human studies are performed.

Perhaps I am being dim, but I don't see your quote re: secondary/primary. I see stuff about popular press/newspapers but many folk regard them as poor tertiary sources, when it comes to science/medicine. I would like to be corrected if you can show me that "primary is best", since lots of editors (not just in medicine) seem to have this impression. Colin Harkness° 11:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Cindery, many thanks for the barnstar - I'm well chuffed :-) Out of interest was it for any specific action/edit or just generally trying to welcome new editors I encounter on articles that I look at ? I had started to wonder what might have happened to you (hope it was just a planned holiday), glad it was only a short wikibreak, and welcome back. David Ruben 00:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Depo Provera talk

MastCell asked for my commentary on Talk:Depo Provera, I've tried not to take sides - I well appreciate your contributions to the article and your greater familiarity than myself with the research into this area. As MastCell invited commentary having recognised their own sense of "getting more argumentative", I've most focused on their style of debate. However I did feel only fair to then offer as an example an alternative wording to one of your postings too. I truely do not wish to cause either of you ill feeling, so please read the points as positive friendly constructive suggestions and, with MastCell claiming inexperience, I am sure your past exemplary application of NPOV will help resolve the impass :-) David Ruben 01:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

re:EC

I'll talk a look at the page and see if I can't figure out what is going wrong sometime in the next half-hour or so. Thanks for calling it to my attention.--Andrew c 22:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, pretty sure everything is fixed, but you should double check.--Andrew c 22:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The cite.php protocol created a new tag for the use of citing references on wikipedia. That tag is the <ref> tag (with which I'm sure you are familiar). And like all tags used in html (and other coding languages), if you open the tag, you must also close the tag (i.e. </ref>). Therefore, the problem on the EC page was that there was an open ref tag, followed by the citation template without the closing ref tag. This made all the text after the citation show up in reference #35. All I did was add the </ref> after the citation template you had copied over from the deleted section. Make sense?--Andrew c 22:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Good faith

I hope it's stating the obvious that your comments on User Talk:Davidruben here are a fairly huge breach of WP:Assume good faith and verge on a personal attack. Please step back and realize that although we disagree on a number of content issues, I am not motivated by personal animus toward you. My edits were made with the motivation of improving the page in question. Prefacing your statements with "It seems unfair to say this, but..." does not absolve you of being civil, assuming good faith, and avoiding personal attacks. I'm happy to work with you on these articles, and I welcome your well-informed input, but please focus on the article rather than seeing edits which don't accord with your point of view as motivated by personal animus. MastCell 05:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think now, based on your behavior the last two days, that you probably did engage in borderline wikistalking, and that you are probably are personally over-engaged with reacting to me out of aniumus. What I find disturbing is that I have made an effort to completely disengage with you/have carefully worded all my comments on EC talkpage, but you still seem quite hostile --your kneejerk accusation of OR yesterday that you had to cross out, your inappropriate comment today which I just ignored re "the sulfurous smell of pharmaceutical companies" or whatever...It's not necessarily assuming bad faith to point obvious things like that out--it can also be called "naming the conflict," per meatballwiki. If you find yourself, as you said, "being more argumentative than you should," you should make an extra effort to disengage emotionally, not find ways to amplify your engagement, like writing aggrieved opinionated notes to my talkpage, full of inappropriate accusations. This is a "content over community" endeavor, and I am not obligated to personally engage with you. Please leave me alone, and restrict your comments to impersonal discussion on the talkpages of articles.

Cindery 06:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Conception probabilities

My knowledge of FA is related to a woman determining when she is near ovulation, and I'm pretty good at that. However, my knowledge of conception probabilities is not much more extensive than this, and I've never heard of any of the different theories or methods you mentioned. Sorry to disappoint, but I don't have the knowledge base to write such an article. Lyrl _Contribs 01:05, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Barrington hall

Hi, Thank you for not deleting content from Misplaced Pages. Thanks also for remembering that "Misplaced Pages is not a Bureaucracy"--that means if there is a disagreement, you should discuss on talkpage, not assume or insist that your interpretation of WP:EL doesn't need to be discussed with the editors of an article. While one obvious solution is to send Mahlen an email asking him to post that when he uploaded the film onto the internet for free more than 10 years ago, he meant for it to be free/freely used by everyone (and yes we know him, and no that film is not under copyright), there's nothing wrong with formatting uncopywritten content in youtube for easier access than a cache provides. Cindery 10:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see this. Misplaced Pages is not a bureaucracy is not a matter here at all. Please revert your edit. — Nearly Headless Nick 10:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit. YouTube vidoe links, especially videos with no copyright info are not allowed on wikipedia per WP:EL. Cheers!--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91 11:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Robert Anasi

I just noticed that Anasi's entry doesn't mention his foreward to 'The Sweet Science.' Should that be in there? Mumblio 03:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Im a bit of a tortoise when it comes to picking up new things. Mumblio 06:29, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Jesse Reklaw

Hi! I wasn't trying to get into a revert war with you just now - I just didn't realize you were editing at the same time as me. We can certainly discuss whether the details about Slow Wave need to be in both articles, but your edit summary is telling me to refer to the talk page and you don't seem to have written anything there. I have some other comments on style etc. which I was going to write up after I finished this round of edits, but I'll take a minute to do that now. ←Hob 05:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop editing for just a second so we can talk. I've documented my reasons for every edit in some very lengthy edit summaries, and I think you may not have read them. For instance, I moved the 13 Cats info further up in the article - so you've just reintroduced a redundant sentence - and I removed the reference to it being an excerpt of a graphic novel because, despite what the Yale alumni reporter thinks, it's not. ←Hob 05:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm gonna give it a rest at least till tomorrow, so do whatever you think is best and reply as needed, and I may or may not argue some more later. I'll just say this, and hope I don't sound too much like an asshole: it looks like you started editing four months ago. OK, maybe you were around earlier under a different username or something, and I'm no Jimbo Wales. Still, it's really not such a great idea for your very first communication with someone to be like this - "Please do not aggressively remove sourced information because you disagree with it .... removing it could be called vandalism" - unless you're really really sure that they totally don't know what they're doing and you do. You jumped in with reverts while I was still moving stuff around - where's the fire? Do you think text is lost for all time if a revision exists without it for one evening? Does my own edit history really look like someone who's just goofing around or is unfamiliar with WP or comics articles? I know you put a lot of good work into the article, but that's no reason to go in with guns blazing when someone's 2/3 of the way through a large revision and is carefully commenting every single edit. You don't have to agree with me but please assume good faith; I will do the same. ←Hob 07:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

You removed 3/4 of the article, all of it cited content, with zero discussion on the talkpage... Cindery 07:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Archiving...

Hay, just a friendly suggustion... you talk page is getting fairly massive (71kb). You might consider archiving. If you need help archiving, let me know. ---J.S (t|c) 23:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

YouTube

Hey there, just so you know, the fact that a video "might not be copyvio" doesn't mean it's therefore ok to put into the article. First of all you'd have to be able to say definatively that it "definately is not", and secondly, I'm pretty sure youtube is unacceptable on wiki because it doesn't give copyright info. It's not judged on a clip-by-clip basis - it's not used because each clip has no info on copyright so that noone can check if it's copyvio. TheHYPO 13:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for taking time to give me feedback, it's good to see what works and what doesn't, even on the simplest levels. Resonanteye 17:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Indenting

I would like to politely request that you follow established editing guidelines for indenting replies on talk pages. Indenting is important to help make the talk page more readable and the conversation easier to follow.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I feel that when I see you continue to ignore talk page policy it makes me think you are attempting to show a disdain for wikipedia in general. I want to assume that I'm wrong. I want to assume that you respect the community and it's standards, but I'm finding it harder and harder. ---J.S (t|c) 21:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

..talkpage is a guideline, not a policy; formatting should be consistent, colons not absolute. Your assumptions all clear violations of AGF bordering on harassment and vioaltion of NPA, particularly "I have decided what you do means x, therfore y" on YT "project page." I understand you're in your early 20s; not my problem. I would suggest you follow "If you find you cannot get along with someone, try being more friendly, else it is probably better to avoid them"--in your case, I think that's a clear injunction to refrain from petty complaints on my talkpage, and stick to discussions of substantive matters on article talkpages, as impersonally as possible. Thanks! Cindery 22:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to post here politely and you respond with incivility. Fine. Now that it's clear you don't care, I won't bring up "petty" matters of talk page etiquette any further.

However, using my age as a straw-man argument to imply incompetence is a personal attack and I expect it to stop. ---J.S (t|c) 22:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand you're in your early 20s; not my problem. Perhaps you should take a time out to reread the humorous WP:DICK, if you find yourself contantly insisting that your personal preferences --colons, YouTube--are "policies" other people are violating and should be harassed about. That said, I realize Misplaced Pages revolves around you, and therefore all actions of all editors which offend your personal preferences are not only policy violations, but intentional acts of "disrespect" directed at you personally :-) Cindery 23:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm nearly 40 and J.smith is much more even tempered and laid back than I am. I think you would benefit from your own advice about being a dick. Your recent contribution to the YT RFC was an ad homien attack that was far from civil. Don't you think it would be more helpful to be constructive and help us find consensus rather than contributing to raising temeratures and entrenching positions? Spartaz 22:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Consensus has already been reached, and it is against you. Given your previously gross bad faith regarding YT--my only other interaction with you, the ANI discussion in which you pretended not to have any ulterior motives--I'm going to have to tell you the only constructive action I can take regarding your attempt to bait or harass me/escalate/engage me ina hostile way on my personal talkpage is, obviously, to completely ignore you. (I have actually come to enjoy rejecting people who have come to my talkpage to harass me rather than be annoyed! :-) This is a content-over -community site; anything you say on my talkpage will be deleted and ignored. You are not welcome or invited;I have no interest in your opinions, insults, etc., nor do I have to feign interest: they are called boundaries. Get some. Cindery 22:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi saw you had tried to archive a chunk of the talk page. The "/archive1" bit is meant to apply to the suffix added to the page-name to be archived (the "/" denotes a subpage), not a new sction header titled "/archive1". The steps to be taken are:

1. create a new page User talk:Cindery/Archive1
2. cut that which is to be archived from this talk page (NB do this from the EDIT view of the page, not the displayed rendition, as one needs copy all the wikilinks and sytling across too)
3. paste into the archive page and save this and the pruned talk page
4. add tags to archive indicating what it is and links at top of this talk page to the archive (have a look at the edit summaries and edits)

Have a good festive season. Yours David Ruben 03:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

You are so kind--thank you, and happy holidays to you as well. (I'll only be off-break to deal with "Barrington emergency"/You Tube-RFC whatever...) Cindery 03:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)