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Lego or Legos ?

Hi (Sorry if this is the wrong place to do this, but:)

I added something to the lego page which you promptly reverted, citing 'no evidence'.

21:47, 12 April 2006 Nohat (rv last addition. there is no evidence for such a distinction.)

20:50, 12 April 2006 Mark Carden (Added the American/Brit distinction between legos and lego)

but at the same time as the edit, I put a note in the Talk page, citing some evidence:

I added a comment in the main article, saying that it seems to be an American-English practice to pluralise 'lego' to 'legos', before reading some of the comments in Talk (under, for some reason, the Trademark topic). I still stand by my edit, and by way of evidence, I did a search on ebay.com and got "13217 items found for legos" and "14925 items found for lego"; on ebay.co.uk I got "13443 items found for lego" and "6 items found for legos".

What now ?

--Mark 21:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Request for nds-nl logo

Hi Nohat, I was wondering if you could make the Misplaced Pages logo for nds-nl: which was started on the 24th of March. The text can be found here (Nedersaksisch) I would have tried it myself but I don't know which fonts to use exactly. Could you also make a colour version. (is the colour version even allowed? If not then it's fine :)). I think it can best be edited from the Dutch logo, since it's closed. Thanks so much!! Servien 13:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nohat, what fonts do you use for the logo and where can I find them, 'cause I'd like to set up the logo on the nds-nl wiki. Servien 18:18, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, never mind the logo, I managed to scrap together a logo nds-nl:Bild:Wiki.PNG and edit it in Microsoft Photo Editor (I copy pasted some letters from other logo's). Where are people when you need 'm... Servien 20:45, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

WP SVG logo

I been directed to ask you if you are able to do the following: to create the Misplaced Pages logo in a vector format, like SVG. Meta:user:Amgine wishes for the logo to be of the globe/puzzle pieces only and also with the text "Misplaced Pages - The 💕" on the bottom. Can you do that? Thanks. User:Zscout370 06:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The logo is a bitmapped rendering and it is not possible to create a version of the image in any vector formats, such as SVG. Please see meta:Logo. Nohat 07:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Just an uninformed thought -- Would it be possible to use edge-finding to make a 3-D model of the globe pieces, and making a vector fmt from that? +sj + 07:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

There are a variety of ways in which a vectorized interpretation of the logo might be constructed, but then it wouldn't be the Misplaced Pages logo anymore. Nohat 07:29, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

"Separate"

Ah shit, I feel embarrassed. —MESSEDROCKER (talk) 20:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Images listed for deletion

Weatherman90 01:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Confused

You agreed that all of those images should be deleted because they have been obsoleted. But Image:Con-00b.wav is being used in a number of articles. What should I replace those uses with? Please advise at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion/2006 April 12. Thanks. Jkelly 18:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

spanish big logo

Hello, you speak spanish? I don't speak good english. I required spanish big logo. Image:Misplaced Pages-logo-en-big.png Image:Misplaced Pages-logo-es-big.png. Thanks for your atention. --es:user:ganon (es:Usuario Discusión:Ganon) 18:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

You aren't understood? :S --es:user:ganon (es:Usuario Discusión:Ganon)

Thanks, but --es:user:ganon (es:Usuario Discusión:Ganon) 22:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Acronyms

I just wanted to thank you for answering Levi P. I find his pugnacious attitude unpleasant and was not looking forward to having to educate yet another person on the inherent conflict with prescriptive claims about language and NPOV. So thanks for that; it's most appreciated.

I will confess that I am worried about your proposal—using a disputed term in a particular way in an article has a way of giving the article an implied bias in favor of that usage or meaning. I recognize that circumlocutions make for weak writing, but maintaining neutrality is paramount. The other difficulty with defining acronym and initialism as you propose is that there is a large class of things, such as the hybrid types, whose membership in one or the other categories defined by the "received" definitions of those words is questionable. I think that if we are going to "define terms" for the purpose of the article, our best bet would be some kind of ad hoc terminology that is not polluted by readers' preconceptions of what the terms might mean.

Again, thanks for your support. If you think the article is suffering at present from confusing and inconsistent circumlocutions, I am sure we can come to a satisfactory solution. Nohat 08:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Nohat. May I post your above message to me at the Acronym and initialism Talk page and then respond to it there? I have a response, but would prefer to keep the conversation all in one place. There's no more privacy at my own Talk page than there is at the article's Talk page. President Lethe 23:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Nohat 00:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

San Jose logo

I must question your reason for maintaining the logo of the city of San Jose in the article when it seems clear that it is unnecessary and is there just for decorative purposes. The San Jose, California article is in need of cleanup (or it will probably be removed of its featured status) and that pic is a clear candidate for removal. Now that you have added a mention of the logo in the article the logo is now out of place since the logo is mentioned in the lead and the picture is found much further down. Joelito 18:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Cornell template

Hey Nohat, about amonth ago you removed my use of the Palatino font from {{Cornell}}, and I was wondering why. The reason I had put it in was to conform to Cornell's style guide, which says that the name of the University should be either carnelian on white or white on carnelian (the template currently has the latter), and should be in Palatino. I didn't want to change it back without discussing the matter with you first. Please let me know your thoughts on the subject. Truly, JDoorjam Talk 14:06, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

The Cornell style guide only applies to documents created by Cornell. For a trademark like "Cornell", the Misplaced Pages style guide at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (trademarks) says "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment". Nohat 08:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, for what it's worth, the Cornell style guide does say, on page 6, "The logotype should never be retypeset or re-created. Original art or digital master art should always be used for any reproduction." Nohat 08:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject WS

Just letting you know I have created a userbox for WikiProject Writing Systems at Template:User WikiProject WS. It looks like this:

This user is a participant in WikiProject Writing systems.

Just add {{User WikiProject WS}} to your userpage. BTW, any questions or comments should be directed to the project's talkpage, as I will be spamming this message to all current members. Thanx!--The ikiroid (talk) 22:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Highway 17

Some dick just moved this article again against consensus.JohnnyBGood t c 23:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Speech synthesis image

Hello, Nohat. I am a contributor of wikipedia in Spanish. I asked Lucent to allow the image of the woman and the Voder (and other two related images) being published under GFDL license. I just got an answer, that ends with: "In the meantime, please be advised that you cannot use any of these 3 images until you hear of our decision." I noticed that wiki in English is using it. I am not aware about your allowed license policies, so I thought that would be good to inform you, and let you decide if this image should be deleted or not. Chabacano at es.wikipedia

Logo source file

Hi Nohat. I've asked you a while back if you could give the source file(s) of your logo, but it appears that you didn't see my message then. So I'd like to ask again. The reason is that providing the source files for the logo would allow people to make derivatives where needed, when needed, without you having to intervene. It's also in the open spirit of Misplaced Pages that this logo is available; to my knowledge, all other sister projects have open logos, and it's really beneficial to have them around for various reasons. It would be great if you could provide this. Hope to see your response soon! —Michiel Sikma, 14:05, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The best I can provide you with is meta:Logo. There are no plans at this time to modify the Misplaced Pages logo. All copyrights which I have in the Misplaced Pages logo have been transferred the Wikimedia foundation, and they hold a registered trademark with the Patent and Trademark Office as well. Unfortunately, with issues of corporate identity, such as logos, it is important for Misplaced Pages to maintain control over its trademarks, and unfortunately this is one area where the spirit of openness that is central to Misplaced Pages must be curtailed, for the good of the foundation and the project. Nohat 04:48, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Although I understand that the logos are registered trademarks, I don't see why they can't just be open. Isn't the Wikimedia logo open as well? I remember once seeing an SVG version of it somewhere. I'll admit that I also wanted to see if I could change it around a little, not to change the design, but to change some of the issues that I have with a large version. I think that it's the poor quality of the very large version that's annoying to people who want to make print versions of the logo. No offence to you, of course, since I know you must also be able to tell those slight imperfections in the high-quality logo, such as the anti-aliasing at the opening of the globe, or the sawtooth edges of the bevel. They're all very minor things that aren't noticed when the logo is shown as small as at the top-left side of the screen, but I do think they're worth fixing. Maybe I could ask a Wikimedia representative about this? A Dutch Wikimedia convention is going to be held later this year, and I'm interested in making promotional leaflets for it. I'd definitely fix those errors using the flattened version of the file if I were to do it, but I'd like to also be able to contribute those to the original logo. Anyway, thanks for your response. Maybe you know of someone I could speak to about this? —Michiel Sikma, 09:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The files on meta:logo are the "original" logo. The logo was not constructed with a set of Photoshop layers—it is a rasterized 3-D rendering that exists on a single layer. To fix some of the things you mention in the source files for the 3-D rendering would require completely reprogramming the logo in POV-Ray. Also, I did not record the exact set of steps I took when modifying the logo in Photoshop for the final version, so if you were to re-render the logo, it would be very difficult if not impossible to get it to look like the original (in terms of adjusting levels and so forth). I would suggest that modifying the versions of the file already posted is the only feasible solution, and is what I would do if tasked with fixing the small imperfections you mention. You are welcome to post your fixed versions of the logo to meta, but you should make it clear that your versions are not official unless someone official says so. The matter of the logo has been essentially closed since the logo was selected, and as far as I know, the foundation's board of trustees has not taken up the matter since it came into existence. If you like, you can contact them about it at board@wikimedia.org. Nohat 17:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposal to change the Japanese tile in the logo

(from the proposals page I was directed to re-post this here)

I'd like to propose that the Japanese tile in the Misplaced Pages logo be slightly altered to better represent the pronunciation of "Misplaced Pages" in Japanese. The Japanese tile is the one directly above the "W".

If you view the logo in the upper left corner of http://ja.wikipedia.org/ you will notice that while the graphic part of the logo is the same, the text for Misplaced Pages does not match the symbols in the tile.

It is written "ウィキペディア". The first character, ウ, represents 'u', but when ィ is attached it shifts the pronunciation to something closely resembling 'wi'.

The artist who made the Misplaced Pages logo almost had it right. He used ワ as the first character (wa), and attached ィ to shift the pronunciation to what only could be considered to be 'wi'.

The problem is that this combination is very rare in Japanese, and the pronunciation is ambiguous. When asked how to pronounce the ワィ in the Misplaced Pages logo, Japanese people often respond with a confused, "...wai? wi?... wai?". On the other hand, when confronted with ウィ, as I propose (and which is used in all Japanese writings of the word Misplaced Pages), all Japanese people will respond with an appropriate 'wi'.

The truth is, the Japanese language lost the 'wi' sound centuries ago, but everyone seems to agree that the closest thing to it is the combination ウィ.

How hard would it be to change that ワ to a ウ? (ワィ ${\displaystyle \rightarrow }$ ウィ)

On another note, the ィ does seem to ride a little high next to the ワ in the logo, and it looks almost as if both are written in italics. I would suggest the ィ be the normal size and in the normal position; that is, about half the height of the previous full size character ウ, with both standing on an invisible base line (neither elevated).

I'm not a native speaker, but I live in Japan and have about 10 years learning and speaking Japanese. Thanks :)

Wesarnquist 02:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

This is not the first time this proposal has been made. Please see the archives of my talk page. The characters on the sphere do not represent anything in particular. There are no plans at this time to change the Misplaced Pages logo. Nohat 04:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Help for template

Hi, this is the ikiroid again, trying to scout out help for Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Writing systems. I'm looking for anyone who can help contribute to Template:Infobox WS. It's an esoteric sort of template, copied from Template:Infobox Language that now needs to be revised for writing system pages. All ideas and comments about it should be directed to Template talk:Infobox WS. Contact me with any questions or comments. Thanks!--The ikiroid (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Oops

You're right, it was a total mistake on my part, good spot. I was deleting List of frequently misused English expressions per a closed AfD, and List of frequently misused English words was listed as a See also. I must have been looking it over to see if they were similar, had too many tabs open or something, and deleted both talk pages because of their similar names. Nice one, Deizio talk 12:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Logo

Hello, I'm translating Elian's leaflet in french. I have a problem with the logo. This version (http://fr.wikipedia.org/Image:Wiki.png) is too small. And the pdf version needs to be resized. Could you please give me the logo in a png, tif version (or something like that ;) ). It would also be useful for the french chapter. And I won't give the french logo to anybody. Pyb 18:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

You should be able to use the PDF version. Just import into your page layout program and then resize it. If you can't do that, you could just take a screenshot of the PDF version and use that. Nohat 18:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

thx for the tip ;) Pyb 20:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Logo in tswana

Hello nohat, could you maybe create a nice logo for the Tswana Misplaced Pages? They are now still using the English language logo. A native speaker told me that the text should be:

Misplaced Pages

Ensaeclopidia ya mahala

If you could create it it would really be cool. Thanks a lot! effeietsanders 09:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Nohat, could you please consider to create this logo? Or could you maybe advise who I should ask? effeietsanders 13:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Rex Germanus

Hi. Being lazy and just letting you know (because you're an administrator) that User:Rex Germanus is also a vandal. (Only action I'm taking at the moment is what I've just done: reverting the edit.) — President Lethe 15:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hope you can help me :-)

For the 3D articles in German wikipedia, I made a picture in Cinema 4D. Now there was a request on my german discussion site, that one of the circles in background should be the Misplaced Pages logo. At first I tried to texturize one of the circles but the result is.....*censored* :-)...So I think that you made the logo in a 3Dprogram. And there is my question, can you send me the source please when it´s made in a 3D program?...So I´m able to use it in my picture.

--Dachris 10:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Request for Romanian large logo

Hello. Can you create a large, PDF version of the Misplaced Pages Romanian logo, like the PDF version of the English Misplaced Pages logo? I would do if myself, but I don't have the Hoefler Text font that's used in the logo. Thanks. -- Afita 13:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured article work for WikiProject Writing Systems members

Hello WikiProject WS members, it's the ikiroid again, spamming for help.....this time, it's for working on an article. We're trying to bring the article about the International Phonetic Alphabet up to featured status, and it would be great if anyone from our project would be willing to lend a helping hand. You can make suggestions about what to improve in the article here, where we're keeping track of the article's renovation. Thanks for reading. Feel free to ask me any questions about the article's improvement.

P.S. I noticed you've contributed to a lot of the article Nohat, so I thought you may be able to help a little with citing the appropriate facts with the correct references.--The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Help about big spanish logo

Hello, I spoke with you about this in the past, and you make the image, but it were mistake and someone returned to past version. I requiered this image again for make to presentation for popularize Misplaced Pages.Thanks for your atention.--w:es:User:Ganon (w:es:User talk:Ganon)17:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Error in the main logo

Hello. There's a big mistake on the sphere. The Hindi version (under the Tibetan and on the left of the Chinese) is plain wrong. It's not just a spelling mistake or an ambiguous transliteration. It's something that doesn't exist at all. Anyone able to read Devanagari writing will confirm this. This is probably because of a known bug in rendering of Indic writings on some wrong software. What should be written is वि, as in the beginning of the inscription on the Hindi logo. BernardM 20:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The characters on the sphere do not represent anything in particular. There are no plans at this time to change the Misplaced Pages logo. Nohat 21:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nohat,

With regards to what has been raised by BernardM, please see this. It is a petition that was originally meant to bring about a change in the logo. It got both Angela's and Anthere's support (Anthere hasn't signed the petition, though). I request you to look into the matter, and anytime in future any change in logo is due, please incorporate this change also. BTW, the characters on the sphere do represent something. They represent the first alphabet when the word "Misplaced Pages" is written in a particular language. However, even if it didn't mean anything, the devanagari alphabet in the logo doesn't exist at all and is rendered as it appears in the logo because of software limitations of the editor used to design it. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Test Misplaced Pages slogan.

Over at the Misplaced Pages Test Wiki, they're voting on a new logo and it looks like choice "C" (The WP globe inverted) and "E" (A black and white version) are most likely to win. I would like to change the slogan section to from "The 💕" to "Test Wiki". But I don't know what font you used for the slogan. Could you help out by either recreating the winning logo with the new slogan, or tell me what font you used? --LBMixPro 07:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC) (updated 06:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC))

It's Hoefler Text Italic. See Meta:Logos. Nohat 07:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Los Gatos High School

Hello Nohat. You may not recall this far back, but you over a year ago you began what is now the Los Gatos High School article. The year you gave for establishment was 1888, but the book I have, Images of America: Los Gatos, states that LGHS proper was not built until 1908, using a $30,000 bond which was passed on January 17, 1907, and that secondary education up until that point was facilitated by additional classrooms built at Los Gatos Central School (grammar school). It is not uncommon for records to provide conflicting dates this far back, so I was hoping that you might have your original source for the 1888 date so we could cite that as well and let our readers decide in case they wish to research the history further. Yamaguchi先生 08:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

More neat logo stuff

See a model of the logo rendered in 3D using Blender -- http://community.livejournal.com/wikipedians/85924.html ! — Catherine\ 19:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oc logo

Hi! The name of occitan projecte has changed after vote See vote. I made a requeste in Mediawiki to change the logo "Oiquipedià, l'enciclopedia liura" into "Wikipèdia, l'enciclopèdia liura", but I have no news about it... Can you help us or can you tell us who can help us, please?
Cedric31 17:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for help on Inheritance Semantics

I just wanted to thank you for removing the '(object oriented)' disambiguation tag from the 'Inheritance Semantics' article. I'm still somewhat new to editing on WikiPedia (since June 2006).

I will remove the disambiguation tag from the rest of my articles (unless they really need to be there).

Thanks again :-)

Shawnk—-24.12.95.75 14:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Oc logo

Hi! I let you a requeste last month in Mediawiki to change the logo "Oiquipedià, l'enciclopedia liura" into "Wikipèdia, l'enciclopèdia liura". Are you still the one who change the logos? Can anyone else help us? Thanks a lot for your answer!
Cedric31 09:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Deceased fictional characters

Hi Nohat. I have put this category up on CfD (here). The cat has been deleted previously and will probably receive a landslide of support for its re-deletion, but you gave some indication on the talk page that you think it's ok to apply the label to characters like James and Lily Potter. Particularly if you think a cat for such cases is a good idea, please drop-in on the discussion. Best regards ×Meegs 12:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Request for Wiki-LOGO Germany

Hello Nohat, I am a member from the German wikipedia and do some stuff here and there. My profession is milling and engraving and I have a little company. We are producing Parts for the industries and sign making proposes. I want to ask you if you could send me the Wiki-LOGO in a vector format like (*.ai; *.cdr; *.eps; *.dxf). My idea is: I want to work on the german article version of engraving (Gravur). First I want to engrave the Logo and the Name Misplaced Pages in a plate of brass, then take a photo and do the text edition. For an example you may take a look at: http://www.detailor.com/Neue_Dateien/bilderr.html the picture of the Tabasco-logo wich I cannot use for the article. I just want to make one plate, not resell it and just use it for this article. If you don't have a vector format I can use a bitmap in high resolution as well and vectorize it. Best regards ElNolde German Wiki http://de.wikipedia.org/Benutzer:Elnolde --212.20.172.11 16:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Please see . It says "The image is bitmapped 3-D rendering, so there is no vector format version of the image available. That means that the logo is not available in SVG, EPS, Illustrator, or any other vector formats." If you have success in generating a vectorized version of the logo, please share it on that page, because others will be interested. Thanks. Nohat 18:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nohat and thanks. 'will do my best but it takes some time. I will share the information here and on the page you mentioned when I finished it. (now with account) --Elnolde 13:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

IPA redirect

Thanks for your constructive criticism in Talk:IPA_(disambiguation)#Discussion. You said

I would be much less hesitant to change it if there weren't already thousands of incoming links. If all incoming links to IPA can be fixed, then I would not oppose the move anymore. But my opposition remains as long as there are incoming links to IPA. Nohat 06:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Since I have fixed the incoming links, please consider retracting your opposition. --Karnesky 20:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Please at least comment on whether you've decided there are other reasons to oppose the move (despite your remark). Thanks! --Karnesky 21:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Oc logo

Hi! As I said you in previous messages, the occitan wiki has changed its name! We finally succeded in making a correct new logo by ourselves, but we are not able to valid it: oc:Image:Wiki-oc.png. Can you help us please? With best regards! Cedric31 02:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Indo-European pages

Hey, I noticed that you were a member of the now-defunct Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Language families. Proto-Indo-European language, Indo-European languages, and Indo-Aryan migration have all been modified recently to suggest that the Out of India theory (described as postulating that "Vedic Sanskrit essentially equates to Proto-Indo-European") is one of the "three main candidates" of Indo-European origins, and that it's a "main contender" as an alternate explanation to the Kurgan hypothesis. From what linguistics classes I've taken, this sounds crazy, but I'm not familiar enough with the subject and the literature to be able to find sources to back this impression up. Can you help? --Xiaopo ℑ 16:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Speech synthesis

Speech synthesis is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

The Bull-hull merger

Another merger I realized recently that I have, but which is definitely not overwhelmingly common, even around here in California, is the merger of /ʌ/ and /ʊ/ before /l/ to /ʊ/. Thus dull and bull are rhymes. There don't appear to be any minimal pairs for this distinction, so I suppose it should be hardly surprising that there is a merger for some people. Is there anything in the literature about this one? Does it have a name? Can anyone think of anything better than "dull-bull"? "null-full"? "bull-bulk"? I have trouble finding these because I have no intuition about which words have /ʊ/ and which have /ʌ/, unlike the above where which is which can be determined by the spelling. Nohat 3 July 2005 16:57 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be predictable at all when it's /ʊ/ and it's /ʌ/. Is there any cue, whether synchronic or diachronic, to indicate which vowel it is? Or do speakers without this merger simply have to memorize which word has which vowel? Nohat 3 July 2005 21:22 (UTC)

Nohat,

It is a bit predictable which words have /Ul/ and which words have /Vl/ for people without the merger. /Ul/ occurs after a labial consonant, as in "full", "bull", "bully", "bullet", "pull" not followed by another consonant. /Vl/ occurs after other consonants and after a labial consonant when there's a consonant after the /V/ as in "bulge", "bulk" and "pulp". Topses 02:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

WWE Raw article--naming per MOS and vote to move

Hello, I saw your comments regarding Byte magazine and wanted to call your attention to a similar situation. The article for WWE Raw was recently moved from "WWE RAW", a vote that I initiated. Afterward, I made changes to the article to put it in line with the MOS and so forth. Since then, several other editors have reverted my changes, arguing simply that "RAW" is the "official name" and that anything else is the "wrong name". I don't wish to carry on such a crusade by myself, and I don't think it's really proper for me to do so either. I'm also not entirely sure if it would be appropriate to file for arbitration, since reverting these edits after there was a vote that resulted in a move seems like vandalism to me, though I think the other editors are acting in good faith. So, anyway, help from an administrator would be appreciated. Croctotheface 05:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

There is now a Requested Move to put the article back at WWE RAW. Croctotheface 18:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bothering you, but I'm not altogether sure how to go about dealing with this. Since you posted, nothing's really changed. There were a couple of reversions back to using RAW in the text, and nobody on the talk page is willing to accept the obvious mandate of the MOS, and if they do accept what the MOS says, they suggest that it should be ignored. I put in a Request for Comment, but aside from that, is there anything to be done? On some level, I recognize how absurd this kind of business is, and I don't particularly want to police the page, but I don't want to see poor style win out either. Croctotheface 02:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Requesting comments for Lost episodes

Requesting comments for Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Lost/Episode guidelines#Name suffix - a debate over the use of disambiguation titles for episode articles of a TV show when no disambiguation is needed. Although I now agree with the statements you made on Talk:Fire + Water, there is a small group of editors who are trying to push the issue again as apart of a forked episode guideline. Any input you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- Ned Scott 20:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

De-surprisifying

What a great word! —Angr 09:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew logo

Hi,

Could you, by any chance, improve the Misplaced Pages logo in Hebrew? The text is spelled correctly, but i don't like the boring sans serif font. I asked the community and some people agreed that it can be changed, but they requested that a professional designer will do it, with correct kerning etc. Unfortunately i am very far from being a professional designer, so i found you. Can you accept a task in a non-Latin script if we tell you which font to use?

Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 20:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Request for phonetical help

Hi Nohat! I see that you are involved in WikiProject Phonetics. Could you help me out at the article Ertuğrul Sağlam? The last sentence of the article is: "In Turkish, the ğ indicates a lengthening of the preceding vowel, so phonetically, his name is pronounced Ertuurul Saalam." Since this sentence is not about the person, but about the pronunciation of his name, I want to put the phonetics behind his bolded name in the intro. But I don't know how to write the name phonetically, in particular which "type of u" applies, so I was wondering if you could help me out. Aecis 15:47, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Misplaced Pages-UPC-barcode.png listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Misplaced Pages-UPC-barcode.png, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in its not being deleted. Thank you. —Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 17:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Moves

Please stop moving articles around. The discussion at WP:NC-TV is not concluded, and at the very least we were going to be informing the various groups about upcoming moves. Please do not act hastily. --Elonka 01:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Tainted poll?

Hi. Sorry to bother you. You participated in a television episode article naming poll which now lives at this location. Some feel that wording changes have compromised the results of that poll. If you don't mind, could you please take a look at what is there now and add a quick note at WT:TV-NC#Looking for anyone who objects to the last poll to say whether your feelings on the matter remain the same? Of course you can feel free to read over the entirety of both links for more information. Thanks. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Breathing mark on Omega in logo

Hi. Your Misplaced Pages logo is really beautiful. There's a discussion on Talk:Main Page about the apostrophe on the Omega. I'm curious as to whether it's a soft breathing mark, or a hard breathing mark, or something else. I can't quite see which direction the apostrophe is curving. Do you have a list of explanations of all the symbols? --Coppertwig 13:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Your comment in Wikipedia_talk:Naming conventions (settlements)

Your comment, inserted above mine, deserves a section of its own - perhaps you could start one and move it there? Now that you've inserted some real cognition into the debate, I'm tempted to withdraw my last (pessimistic) comment altogether. Anyhow, dot on. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 13:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Good points

I, for one, appreciate your comments on the city name discussion. One thing people seem to overlook when discussing exceptions to policy, guidelines and conventions is that exceptions are only supposed to occur at the individual article level. Certain individial articles can be named in an exceptional manner for good reason and with consensus support. But an entire category-specific guideline is not supposed to be an "exception" to broader guidelines and policies. --00:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

commas vs parentheses

By the way, I think one of the most compelling arguments to disambiguate U.S. city names, when required, with parentheses rather tahn commas is because doing it with commas makes people think doing so is or should be the "convention" for all U.S. cities. I believe the root of the U.S. city naming problem could be the combination of these factors:

1. A large percentage of U.S. cities truly do require disambiguation.
2. For many people it is not clear that City, State is a disambiguation.
3. Once people see many cities named per the City, State convention, they are compelled to want to see all U.S. cities named that way "for consistency".

Is the comma disambiguating convention the root of all evil? Food for thought... --Serge 00:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your points, but I think that using parentheses suffers from the same problem; viz. Category:Lost episodes, no? Nohat 01:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

help request

Your help is requested as someone with current or recent interest in resolving the U.S. settlement naming convention discussion. I have created a "discussion template" modeled off of an RfC to attempt to structure the discussion, which is spinning wheels and spraying mud. I'd greatly appreciate any input you could provide (including "what are you smoking?"--or perhaps, "keep this in your back pocket"). Thanks in advance. --Ishu 16:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages logo symbols.

Please answer at commons. -- Jeandré, 2006-12-09t22:53z

Acronyms

The piece you deleted is not mine. My text (1st sentence) does not contradict the "Nomenclature" section . `'mikkanarxi 01:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

It most certainly does. It takes a side in the "what is the distinction between acronyms and initialisms" debate. Please see Talk:Acronym and initialism, Talk:Acronym, Talk:Initialism, and their archives for background on this controversial issue which is not aided by your unhelpfully partisan introduction. Nohat 01:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

acronyms

See Talk:Acronym and initialism `'mikkanarxi 01:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Logo question

What's on the other side of the logo sphere?--Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 23:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Error in the Misplaced Pages logo

Hi Nohat,

I would like you to check this petition and this message on Jimbo Wales' talk page. I'd like to know if you can fix this? Or whether I ought to approach someone else? TIA -- mowglee 08:28, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Courtesy note about ArbCom proceeding

Hiya, just wanted to drop you a courtesy note to let you know about a current ArbCom proceeding where your name is briefly mentioned: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Naming Conventions. No action is needed on your part, though if you would like to participate in the case by offering a statement, evidence, or comments on the workshop page, you are more than welcome. FYI, Elonka 05:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC)