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The below quote is from someone else: Anyone who complains of anti-Semitism, while silently ignoring the massive daily evidence of the humiliations, harassment and violence dealt out on a systematic basis in Gaza and the West Bank, is ranting hollowly to my ear.

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Notice of noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Just a courtesy note to let you know I've closed that discussion without any particular consensus for any kind of interaction ban between the two of you. I appreciate your reluctance to agree to such a restriction, and without removing the "no fault" part of it there was little chance of a consensus to impose one, given the intentional lack of any evidence against you being provided. But it's very clear that neither of you feel further interactions between you are productive, so I'd strongly recommend you continue your informal non-interaction with each other, and this will be resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Best wishes! ~ mazca 20:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

You misrepresented a source at Jaba', Jerusalem

At it appears that you are suggesting that the source does not call it a "segregation wall", although the section heading is "Jaba' Village and the Israeli Segregation Wall Plan" and the first sentence in that section says "The Israeli Segregation Wall Plan has had a negative and destructive impact on Jaba' village." That's not a good idea, and if you actually want to make sure that NPOV is followed I'd think you would have to use both terms. Doug Weller talk 10:01, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Doug Weller, the link is to separation wall and the article is at West Bank Barrier a neutral term, segregation wall is a redirect and a pov term. It's not a neutral term and shouldn't be used. Sir Joseph 12:16, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
How are they not both POV? And no, the link is to Israeli West Bank barrier, so it's a pov link. The redirect doesn't count, only the actual article. Doug Weller talk 13:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Doug, respectfully, I think the determination as to what is or isn't a pov term in this case should be decided through article talk page discussion. El_C 13:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Doug Weller, she changed the link to Segregation wall which is a redirect to Israeli West Bank barrier a more neutral term, AND THE ACTUAL TITLE OF THE ARTICLE. I don't think I have to explain to you how segregation wall is a POV term, and besides how changing a link from an article to a redirect is not the correct thing to do. Further, as the article itself points out, the BBC and the NYTimes both use the term West Bank barrier. Sir Joseph 13:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Doug, with the utmost respect for you (as I have always had from day 1 of my WP birth) and the need for compliance with NPOV, I did the research regarding your suggestion in an effort to reach a compromise, and the following is what I found: the cited source ARIJ is at the very least, an involved advocacy in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict which is a valid reason to exclude stating material cited to them in WikiVoice. Their views which are based on their research may be included provided we use WP:INTEXT (forgive the wikilink but my use of the term intext attribution was once a target for ridicule so I've made it a habit to wikilink as a safeguard). Having said that, I'm of the mind that DUE is also a consideration since the term "segregation wall" raises a WP:REDFLAG in light of it being supported by a primary source. Talk 📧 15:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Atsme: I think you know I would prefer sources about the organisation, and Applied Research Institute–Jerusalem, not a terribly good article, doesn't mentioned its pov. I am happy with the word barrier, but not with either separation wall or segregation wall on its own. I've been saying that at Huldra's talk page as well. Hopefully the discussion as moved on to the article's talk page. Huldra raised the question of the ARI as a source at RSN but there was no conclusion. Doug Weller talk 15:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Doug Weller, Plus, as I'm sure, it's always best to link to the actual article and not to a redirect. It's this secret POV push this subject area can do without. Sir Joseph 16:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Not to be repetitive, but the primary title on the English Misplaced Pages is Israeli West Bank barrier. All other terms for it are contested. So, that's the starting point. Including (or excluding) these additional terms would depend on consensus reached on the article talk page (or lack thereof). Still early days. El_C 16:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@El C: as you say. That should be the starting point, with no redirects. Doug Weller talk 17:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Doug, I'm glad we're in agreement. El_C 17:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Apology accepted. Sir Joseph 17:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Eek Oppose

Hi SJ. Sorry to see you land in oppose. Given your previous neutral and stated openness to supporting, I'm wondering what in response to your question you found lacking or was it just the March 2019 ANI thread you linked? Not trying to change your mind which is why I'm posting here, I just genuinely want to understand your perspective better. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Barkeep49, to be fair I actually was OK with the answer to that question. Granted, everyone should get equal treatment, but asking for advice on an admin AND established editors is decent advice for a newbie admin. I happened to be reading the ANI thread and I just didn't like the tone of how people were dismissing the civil concerns. I did switch to a weak oppose, if that matters. Sir Joseph 18:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the insight into your thinking. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Assistance

IYO, is there bias being pushed https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Zarcademan123456#Your_edit_of_Aqraba and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Supreme_Deliciousness#Golan_height_villages

Any help appreciated thx Zarcademan123456 (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

A joke

I can't remember who originally added it to WP:JOKES but one of my favorite pieces of content isn't really a joke but is a parable: A Wikipedian and a vandal are stranded on a deserted island. On the first day, the Wikipedian builds a raft, but at night, the vandal destroys it. The second day, the Wikipedian lets the vandal know that one or more of his contributions to the raft did not appear constructive, and rebuilds the raft. The vandal destroys it. The third day, the Wikipedian asks the vandal to please refrain from making unconstructive changes to the raft, and rebuilds it again. Again, the vandal destroys it. The fourth day, the Wikipedian tells the vandal to please stop destroying the raft, and that if he destroys the raft again, he may not be allowed to participate in the building of the raft. The Wikipedian rebuilds the raft and the vandal destroys it again. On the fifth day, an admin finally arrives with the navy, announces that nobody can build a raft until everyone on the island agrees about whether or not a raft should be built, and sails off. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Barkeep49, yeah, that's a good one, and it's true. Many articles get caught up and locked due to vandalism and then good edits can't be placed. Then again, there is also Misplaced Pages:Lamest_edit_wars which is also a fun read. Sir Joseph 17:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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