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*'''Yes''' per my comments above. It is discussed in good sources like ''The Guardian'' and Al-Jazeera (see ]). It meets ] and appears to be ]. This RfC is about material, by the way. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 05:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' per my comments above. It is discussed in good sources like ''The Guardian'' and Al-Jazeera (see ]). It meets ] and appears to be ]. This RfC is about material, by the way. <span style="font-family:Palatino">]</span> <sup>]</sup> 05:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' per ] since it is backed by reliable sources. ] (]) 22:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' per ] since it is backed by reliable sources. ] (]) 22:12, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
*'''No'''. It is not exactly backed by the reliable source. The text says "'''perhaps''' at the age of 11, most are '''expected''' to start doing sex work", is not same as saying "they start doing sex work at 11". Are we going to write that "''Perhaps most girls in Sagar Gram village are expected to engage in sex work by the age of 11''"? ]. None of the words from the source support what you have been restoring; "In India, in what is termed 'caste slavery', an estimated 100,000 lower-caste women and girls are groomed into prostitution as a family trade." Especially when "women and girls" can be of any age and not just children, that is how the source is being misrepresented badly. ]. Now since the whole story from The Guardian is itself about only a single village where prostitution is taking place, why we are even adding it when the broader details about the entire country already exists? This is a clear breach of ]. ] (]) 04:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, I recently studied the Rind controversy in a course about science and culture. When I reviewed the summary here, I felt it omitted important some published/peer-reviewed responses to the article. As such, I attempted to write a concise but rounded overview of the debate that occurred after the article's publication. I hope it was a productive edit.Fixer1234b (talk) 15:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
The prior version was a bit too brief, I will grant, but these edits I feel start to tip a little too far the other way. It's a touchy subject because the study was and still is used by egosyntonic pedophiles to justify their actions, whether that was the study author's intent or not. Did you read the main article on the Rind et al. controversy? It's very comprehensive.Legitimus (talk) 01:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
I am not getting where did John B123 found any connection of this and this with the "Child prostitution" or "Child sexual abuse"? Source does not even support the content. The source is nowhere being specific about the victims being children, then why you see the requirement to misrepresent the source? The source has been badly misrepresented.
You agree that my removal was correct but you are trying to find a way to get through the content anyhow. This is not allowed per WP:SYNTH. The information has to be about "child prostitution" or "child sexual abuse" or else it is just POV pushing and original research. The source mainly talks about a village where girls work as prostitute as they outnumber boys.
NavjotSR, WP:Synth is not being violated here. I've now read the source. It states, When they are deemed old enough, perhaps at the age of 11, most are expected to start doing sex work....She remembers what the adults in her village told her when she was 15, and her family was having money problems....That was when she started....Girls in Sagar Gram, which lies next to a highway, are groomed for this life virtually from birth. Parents decide which of their daughters will fetch the best price. Older girls teach them how to attract customers from passing trucks and cars. The younger ones sometimes stow under beds, observing the others at work....The legal age of consent in India is 18. Madhya Pradesh, the state in which Sagar Gram is situated, recently passed the death penalty for anyone who rapes a child under 12, also increasing jail terms for adults who have sex with someone under 18. Police say seven people were arrested for child sexual exploitation offences in Sagar Gram in the past year, five of them women who sold their underage daughters. The only way this could be synth would be if this was not child sexual abuse. Why are you claiming it is synth? Crossroads13:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Firstly, You agree that my removal was correct but you are trying to find a way to get through the content anyhow is a complete fabrication. As I have previously told you, I do not agree your removal of the content was correct.
@Crossroads: Your text says "perhaps at the age of 11, most are expected to start doing sex work", is not same as saying "they start doing sex work at 11". Are we going to write that "Perhaps most girls in Sagar Gram village are expected to engage in sex work by the age of 11"? Misplaced Pages is not for speculations or dubious information. None of the words from the source support what you have been restoring; "In India, in what is termed 'caste slavery', an estimated 100,000 lower-caste women and girls are groomed into prostitution as a family trade." Especially when "women and girls" can be of any age and not just children, that is how the source is being misrepresented badly. Clearly the Misplaced Pages text is creating out a meaning which is not exactly in the source. Now since the whole story from The Guardian is itself about only a single village where prostitution is taking place, why we are even adding it when the broader details about the entire country already exists on both articles? This is a clear breach of WP:UNDUE. NavjotSR (talk) 16:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I've had a look at the reference and I'd like to point out that it discusses one village, Sagar Gram, as well as one caste, the Baccharas. As of now, the article makes it appear that the behaviour described in the paragraph is occurring on a national basis, rather than among the Bacchara caste of Sagar Gram. Additionally, if you all decide to retain the information, the 100,000 estimate should be attributed to Ashif Shaikh of Jan Sahas, rather than using Misplaced Pages's voice; I should note that he seems unsure of the figure, however. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam00:38, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the above that the content is UNDUE and OR and it must go given the speculations and dubious relevance. Raymond3023 (talk) 15:33, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
It is frustrating when editors meticulously address questions brought up only for it to not be looked at anyway. Makes it hard to have good faith and think every time an issue on India comes up, users get embarrassed or offended. @NavjotSR, you first brought up that "The source is nowhere being specific about the victims being children" and then user:Crossroads quoted the source that literally talks about children and that counts for nothing to you. The issue is brought up that this is not representative nationally, but that it has to exist everywhere in the nation was never a criteria. JustBeCool (talk) 17:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Then you must avoid misrepresenting sources in first place. The information in question is backed with words like "expected", "perhaps", and is ultimately about "women and girls". You need a lot better argument than selective WP:CANVASSING and violate WP:NPA. Capankajsmilyo (talk) 02:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
My comment concerned the paragraph as it was written extrapolating the tragedies occurring in one caste of one village to the entire country. I do not have a problem with mentioning the information, if that is the consensus between the lot of you; however, claims should be properly attributed and the village should be specified, rather than making this seem to be a country-wide activity. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam02:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
RfC about mentioning child prostitution based around caste
Yes per my comments above. It is discussed in good sources like The Guardian and Al-Jazeera (see WP:RSP). It meets WP:V and appears to be WP:Due. This RfC is about this material, by the way. Crossroads05:45, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
No. It is not exactly backed by the reliable source. The text says "perhaps at the age of 11, most are expected to start doing sex work", is not same as saying "they start doing sex work at 11". Are we going to write that "Perhaps most girls in Sagar Gram village are expected to engage in sex work by the age of 11"? Misplaced Pages is not for speculations or dubious information. None of the words from the source support what you have been restoring; "In India, in what is termed 'caste slavery', an estimated 100,000 lower-caste women and girls are groomed into prostitution as a family trade." Especially when "women and girls" can be of any age and not just children, that is how the source is being misrepresented badly. Clearly the Misplaced Pages text is creating out a meaning which is not exactly in the source. Now since the whole story from The Guardian is itself about only a single village where prostitution is taking place, why we are even adding it when the broader details about the entire country already exists? This is a clear breach of WP:UNDUE. NavjotSR (talk) 04:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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