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Antisemitism in Poland: Motion (May 2020)

The following is added as a remedy to the Antisemitism in Poland arbitration case: 7) 500/30 restriction: All IP editors, users with fewer than 500 edits, and users with less than 30 days' tenure are prohibited from editing articles related to the history of Jews and antisemitism in Poland during World War II (1933–45), including the Holocaust in Poland. This prohibition may be enforced preemptively by use of extended confirmed protection (ECP), or by other methods such as reverts, pending changes protection, and appropriate edit filters. Reverts made solely to enforce the 500/30 rule are not considered edit warring.

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Passed 6 to 0 by motion at 19:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

For the arbitration committee, Moneytrees🌴 20:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

See, I told you a little part of you was Polish, Mr. L. Polish by association, anyway. Some say there's a strength in numbers, some say Polish Power! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:43, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Killing of George Floyd

Regarding your edit here, your edit summary indicated it wasn't supported by the BBC source or any source. The content referenced in the cited BBC source is "Mr Lane, prosecutors said, "put his hands on Mr Floyd, and pulled him out of the car." Then Mr Floyd "actively resisted being handcuffed." Once handcuffed, though, Mr Floyd became compliant while Mr Lane explained he was being arrested for "passing counterfeit currency". Did you miss that in the BBC source, or did you have some other interpretation of it? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 03:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi AzureCitizen. Right, the BBC says that the prosecutor said that Floyd actively resisted. We can't say Floyd resisted based on that, in wikivoice. At most, we can say that "prosecutors said Floyd resisted", which is what we already say elsewhere in the article. (BTW, I think the amended complaint changes that, and I'm just about to update the article to reflect that change.) The other part, is "but after Lane explained to Floyd why he was being arrested, Floyd became compliant", which the BBC source doesn't say--it says he became compliant "once handcuffed", not after Lane explained why he was being arrested. Levivich  03:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Hmmmm, the BBC source doesn't just say he became compliant "once handcuffed," it says "Once handcuffed, though, Mr Floyd became compliant while Mr Lane explained he was being arrested for passing counterfeit currency". This means Floyd became compliant while Lane was explaining to him why he was being arrested (rather than before Lane starting explaining it to him). With regard to saying "prosecutors said Floyd resisted" elsewhere in the article, that content appears only once, and only in reference to Floyd resisting getting in the police car. Separate from refusing to get in the car, earlier in the timeline, when he was first removed from his own car, Floyd resisted being handcuffed. Hence, the information that Floyd resisted being handcuffed was removed from the article in the last few hours. If we want to attribute that to the prosecutor, that's fine, e.g., "prosecutors said Floyd actively resisted being handcuffed." Of course, if they've amended the complaint to contradict that, it would be an interesting development. Where is the amended complaint? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 03:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

AzureCitizen, Amended Complaint and here are some recent RSes discussing it Maybe we shouldn't use that BBC source anymore? Levivich  04:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Went to bed for the night right after my last comment. Saw your link this morning and just read the amended complaint; while it doesn't contradict the original complaint, I see that they've removed the part about actively resisting being handcuffed. As a result, the new RS don't mention it either. It is apparent that he briefly resisted the handcuffing in the video, but I'm satisfied with just dropping it entirely now too. Thanks for discussing. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 13:10, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

The purpose of NFCC

This comment is perceptive. A note (completely off-topic for that discussion, hence here): it may be surprising in hindsight how much early policy was driven by the notion that people were going to burn Misplaced Pages on CDs and sell them for profit to schools and libraries, the way Encarta was distributed back then. (Or, like, print Misplaced Pages in books and send them to places without Internet access.) And so early policy was intended to protect the CD sellers from being sued by copyright holders. Jimbo's personal/ideological beliefs played a role too, I'm sure. I agree these policies are worth reexamining but they may be too entrenched at this point.

Apologies if this is old news to you. Wikiacc (¶) 01:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikiacc, thanks! I wasn't an editor then, but wasn't WP:VITAL originally about making a Misplaced Pages CD to compete with Encarta? I certainly think we'd benefit by re-examining the entire "free for any purpose" philosophy. "Free for any non-commercial purpose" should be the philosophy instead. Levivich  02:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I believe so. WP:1.0 and its delightfully anachronistic logo are a related project (I think VITAL may have been an outgrowth of that, though I'm not sure). Wikiacc (¶) 02:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Yup that's what I was thinking of. The logo really is delightful. Kids today don't know what that is. Levivich  02:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Indeed they don't. I'll bet kids today don't know what a non-WP encyclopedia is, either. An addendum: I was perhaps speaking a bit loosely when referring to Jimbo. It's not just him; distaste for noncommercial licenses has a long history in the free software/content movement. See this 2012 Stallman essay for example. (Stallman raises a good point, though it's interesting that his proposed policy on CC licenses is laxer than WMF's current one.) Wikiacc (¶) 03:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

@Wikiacc: Oh, I think you were on target. (h/t Iridescent) Thanks for the link to the Stallman piece, that was interesting. But it's sad that I don't think anything in CC 4.0 addressed the flaws he pointed out. And it's been eight years now. Levivich  04:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

That's quite a find. I had Objectivism more on the mind, though the ad does have a strong "Randian hero" ethos. Wikiacc (¶) 16:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

There are still True Believers in the Misplaced Pages 1.0 project about, who sincerely believe that the purpose of Misplaced Pages is to generate material for an offline project. It's a legacy of Misplaced Pages's history; you need to bear in mind that we developed as a feeder site to Nupedia, and the original intent was always that Misplaced Pages was just an incubator site where articles would be parked until ready to be published. In practice the focus on CD-ROM is dying out—"that girl in Africa who can save the lives of hundreds of thousands of people around her, but only if she's empowered with the knowledge to do so" is considerably more likely to have access to an internet connection than she is to a CD-ROM reader—but the die-hards still cling to the "burning off copies of Misplaced Pages" fantasy; the current wheeze uses a Raspberry Pi, a cheap router, and a flash drive to create mini-hotspots where people within range can read a curated selection of articles via wi-fi. It's why we still have the pointless "importance" ratings, and why we have the full stub-start-C-B-GA-A-FA assessment scale rather than just "inadequate"/"adequate"/"good"; there's a tiny but vocal faction who believe it's necessary so we can select which articles are worthy of inclusion in Published Misplaced Pages when the day comes. (Some projects like WikiProject Visual Arts have called their bluff and abolished the importance ratings, and the world has yet to come to an end.) ‑ Iridescent 09:09, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

I'd heard that quote before, but I didn't realize it was specifically about offline distribution. Your comment gives me visions of Christ himself returning to earth, holding blank CDs, the faithful standing at the ready with a curated Misplaced Pages and their CD burners... Wikiacc (¶) 16:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

"He instructed them to take nothing for their journey except a staff and sandals CDs and internet-in-a-box." Levivich  16:54, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Citation bot

Thank you. I couldn't have said what you did without causing further upset and hardening attitudes, but I'm really glad you made that point so reasonably. --RexxS (talk) 23:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, RexxS, and you're welcome. I hope it takes. Levivich  00:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Line numbering

So per your edit summary I was going to revert, but I was prevented by

1. not being able to think of an appropriately amusing choice of template, and
2. the discovery that line numbers are very convenient!

Obviously, the point I am making is good lord I can't wait until I am able to socialize with my real-life friends in person again .... --JBL (talk) 22:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

If you ever feel like choosing a battlebot in a game without frontiers, there's a war without tears on my Talk Page. Might as well mention RexxS while he was recently here. Seems to have certain interests in one of our presumably fine competitors, the mighty-but-calcifying Citation bot! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

LOL, JBL. Hulk and I make very, very, VERY poor substitutes for real-life friends, but the bot battle might be fun, and I have no idea what to do with line 17, but your post led to the excellent suggestion of a Clowncom. So, yeah, lots of productive stuff happening on Misplaced Pages during the global crisis. Levivich  04:47, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Punch

It was in the lede. And is relevant. Someone took it out. Can you restore it? Thanks. --2604:2000:E010:1100:E48F:2E4B:6149:D9A1 (talk) 20:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, no. You added "punch" to the lead, another editor took it out, per the WP:ONUS policy and WP:BRD guideline, the next step is to start a discussion on the article talk page, which I see you've already done at Talk:Killing of Rayshard Brooks#Add. It wouldn't be proper of me to bypass that discussion and the consensus process by restoring "punch" to the lead. We'll have to wait for editors to respond to your talk page post and see if there is consensus for putting "punch" in the lead. Levivich  01:07, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

continuation

I think you mentioned you were going to continue the list at here. Could you possibly enable your email long enough to email me,? .. DGG ( talk ) 05:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

DGG, YGM. Let me know if it didn't go through. Levivich  05:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

GMO subjects

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