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| :{{u|El C}} - oops, I should have asked you first, I've self reverted. I've also forwarded you Chesdovi's email. ] (]) 19:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC) | :{{u|El C}} - oops, I should have asked you first, I've self reverted. I've also forwarded you Chesdovi's email. ] (]) 19:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
| ::It's okay, but I still prefer it to be out in the open. But upon further thought, I'm not even sure this email report is at all appropriate for a blocked user to engage in. It comes across as ], and I doubt I would allow it to take place on this talk page at this time, anyway. But a user can email the ] at any time. That is a sacred right which can only be revoked by the Committee itself. So, in ~6 months, it might be appropriate to raise these concerns in a compresehnsive ] report. ] 19:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC) | ::It's okay, but I still prefer it to be out in the open. But upon further thought, I'm not even sure this email report is at all appropriate for a blocked user to engage in. It comes across as ], and I doubt I would allow it to take place on this talk page at this time, anyway. But a user can email the ] at any time. That is a sacred right which can only be revoked by the Committee itself. So, in ~6 months, it might be appropriate to raise these concerns in a compresehnsive ] report. ] 19:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC) | ||
| ::Oh, I've also reaffirmed your action by disabling email and talk page access. I should have done it myself sooner. ] 19:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC) | |||
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Editing in IP Area
Hello, welcome back to Wiki. However, you seem to be editing in an area that you are TBANNED from. If you recall, you are not allowed to edit in the Zionism subject area and you haven't requested to rescind that TBAN as such it remains in force. Sir Joseph 02:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Can you ask them to rescind the ban for me then? Appreciated. Btw, the Holocaust is mentioned on David Ben-Gurion the grand total of three times: 1. His negotiations to claim billions of marks in compensation from Germany to prop-up his new state. 2. Obtaining nuclear arms to prevent another Holocaust. 3. Further reading which attempts to exonerate him from claims of complicity in the Holocaust. Considering that it constituted the worst crime against humanity in history, one would have thought it would have at least merited a mention on the page of the leader of the Jewish community in Palestine. What was he doing aged 56 in 1942? Picking oranges? Chesdovi (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- Chesdovi, a third party is not allowed to request removal of a ban, you need to do it. I did a little digging and you have several TBANs. You have one TBAN covering the ARBPIA, you have one TBAN covering Zionism and one TBAN covering the Western Wall. You can appeal at WP:AE but my advice is to edit outside those subjects for a bit since if you just come back to Misplaced Pages and right away request an appeal, it doesn't look too good to jump right in to a subject that you were banned from. That is usually the track record for successful appeals. Sir Joseph 18:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
- You need to be careful with your edits, some of your most recent edits are "broadly construed" in the TBAN area. Sir Joseph 23:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why you aren't heeding my warning. Editing in David Ben-Gurion is a violation of your TBAN most definitely, and you will most certainly not be allowed to appeal your TBANs if you continue to skirt your TBAN. Sir Joseph 22:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- You need to be careful with your edits, some of your most recent edits are "broadly construed" in the TBAN area. Sir Joseph 23:24, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
- Chesdovi, a third party is not allowed to request removal of a ban, you need to do it. I did a little digging and you have several TBANs. You have one TBAN covering the ARBPIA, you have one TBAN covering Zionism and one TBAN covering the Western Wall. You can appeal at WP:AE but my advice is to edit outside those subjects for a bit since if you just come back to Misplaced Pages and right away request an appeal, it doesn't look too good to jump right in to a subject that you were banned from. That is usually the track record for successful appeals. Sir Joseph 18:09, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
שלום רב. בדף המשתמש שלך כתבת ש"יהודי הוא בגלות עד שה' גואל אותו". האם אינך רואה בתקומה המפליאה של עם ישראל אחרי השואה בה כמעט נמחה זכרו, השגחה פרטית מופלאה וחסד ה'? 87.70.156.230 (talk) 15:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Please see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Chesdovi for an AE action that concerns you. Sir Joseph 23:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. I'm a baal teshuva who made Aliyah two years ago. I wanted to ask you to please watch this lecture. Please, pack your bags and leave shmutz lahaaretz before it's too late. The Shechinah is leaving the exile. All the tzadikim here are telling the Jews to come home. Bracha ve hatzlacha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.142.171.239 (talk) 19:14, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
June 2020
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El_C 15:29, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi. This is to acknowledge that I am in receipt of your email. However, I'd prefer to discuss any matters pertaining to the block on-wiki. Please feel free to comment, here, on your user talk page. El_C 11:15, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi again. This is to once again acknowledge that I am in receipt of your email. Now, I realize you wish to discuss your sanction privately, but I'm afraid I have to insist that we do so, here, publicly and on-the-record. Perhaps there is another admin that would be willing to discuss the matter with you privately, but in this instance, I would rather not. Sorry. El_C 17:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi again. This is to acknowledge that, yet again, I am in receipt of your email. I'm sorry, but I do not have Checkuser privileges, so I would in any case be unable to assist with that investigation. Also, please don't email me requests that, even indirectly, contravene your ban. Thank you. El_C 14:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
Look, Chesdovi, regarding your latest email (4th one): I realize that you prefer to engage via email, but in this instance, I simply do not. Please respect that. El_C 16:52, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Please clarify how my request indirectly contravenes my ban. Many thanks. Chesdovi (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Chesdovi, I retract that and apologize for misreading. Indeed, it seems to be Jewish-focused rather than having much to do with ARBPIA. But again, I have no technical means to investigate this, nor am I inclined to do so otherwise. Also, almost all of your links are from 2010. So what is the rush? Once your six months are up, you are free to launch an SPI. Though I'm not sure that's something I would recommend, that remains entirely your prerogative. El_C 17:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- That's okay, I just wanted to be check viz-a-viz the ban. I also would like to understand the rationale behind using my edits at David Ben Gurion as evidence of violating the ARBPIA ban: Why were those edits deemed problematic while those to Elazar Shach or A I Kook were not? I am not aware that my edits at David Ben Gurion touched upon the Arab-Israeli conflict even by the broadest stretch of the imagination. Chesdovi (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, Chesdovi, I am not interested in relitigating the AE ban at this time. For any appeal considerations, please query the Arbitration Committee. El_C 17:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- That's okay, I just wanted to be check viz-a-viz the ban. I also would like to understand the rationale behind using my edits at David Ben Gurion as evidence of violating the ARBPIA ban: Why were those edits deemed problematic while those to Elazar Shach or A I Kook were not? I am not aware that my edits at David Ben Gurion touched upon the Arab-Israeli conflict even by the broadest stretch of the imagination. Chesdovi (talk) 17:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Chesdovi, I retract that and apologize for misreading. Indeed, it seems to be Jewish-focused rather than having much to do with ARBPIA. But again, I have no technical means to investigate this, nor am I inclined to do so otherwise. Also, almost all of your links are from 2010. So what is the rush? Once your six months are up, you are free to launch an SPI. Though I'm not sure that's something I would recommend, that remains entirely your prerogative. El_C 17:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
The proper venue for an SPI report is at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations. There was nothing in your email which needed to be reported confidentially. Your report seems more related to an edit conflict at Elazar Shach and reviving and re-litigating a 9 year old ANI report rather than a genuine SPI case. In light of your 4 emails to El C and now to me I'm revoking your talk page access and email for the duration of your block. Cabayi (talk) 19:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- El C - oops, I should have asked you first, I've self reverted. I've also forwarded you Chesdovi's email. Cabayi (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- It's okay, but I still prefer it to be out in the open. But upon further thought, I'm not even sure this email report is at all appropriate for a blocked user to engage in. It comes across as editing by proxy, and I doubt I would allow it to take place on this talk page at this time, anyway. But a user can email the Arbitration Committee at any time. That is a sacred right which can only be revoked by the Committee itself. So, in ~6 months, it might be appropriate to raise these concerns in a compresehnsive SPI report. El_C 19:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I've also reaffirmed your action by disabling email and talk page access. I should have done it myself sooner. El_C 19:59, 23 June 2020 (UTC)