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::It's still directly contradicted by the primary source. Other than the filmmakers chiming in one way or another I don't see how it can be reconciled that they are not in line with what is shown in the film. Would the plot section get changed to say that Evey dies at the end simply because a reputable source claims it and then it is repeated? Maybe "set in the 2020s" is the best way to compromise between both since it matches both the movie and the articles.] (]) 15:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC) | ::It's still directly contradicted by the primary source. Other than the filmmakers chiming in one way or another I don't see how it can be reconciled that they are not in line with what is shown in the film. Would the plot section get changed to say that Evey dies at the end simply because a reputable source claims it and then it is repeated? Maybe "set in the 2020s" is the best way to compromise between both since it matches both the movie and the articles.] (]) 15:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC) | ||
:::¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The year isn't significant enough to be obvious in the film, so I don't see a need to put the year in the summary. I think the current version is fine. ] (]) 17:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC) | :::¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The year isn't significant enough to be obvious in the film, so I don't see a need to put the year in the summary. I think the current version is fine. ] (]) 17:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC) | ||
::::I would be inclined to agree except for the meme going around with the incorrect year. People see that and come here to verify it so if the movie itself shows it being in a different year and it becomes relevant. I would bet that a large portion of recent traffic to this page is simply to verify what year it is set in, otherwise I would completely agree "near future" is all that is actually important. ] (]) 20:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
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- Booker, M. Keith (2007). "V for Vendetta". May Contain Graphic Material: Comic Books, Graphic Novels, and Film. Praeger. ISBN 0275993868.
- Keller, James R. (2008). V For Vendetta As Cultural Pastiche: A Critical Study of the Graphic Novel and Film. McFarland. ISBN 0786434678.
- Reynolds, James (2009). "'KILL ME SENTIMENT': V For Vendetta and comic-to-film adaptation". Journal of Adaptation in Film & Performance. 2 (2): 121–136. doi:10.1386/jafp.2.2.121_1. ISSN 1753-6421.
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ignored (help) - Williams, Tony (2006). "Assessing V For Vendetta". CineAction (70): 16–23. ISSN 0826-9866.
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ignored (help) "Looks at V FOR VENDETTA in the current political climate." - Shay, Estelle (2006). "Overview: Dan Glass on V for Vendetta". Cinefex (106): 15–20. ISSN 0198-1056.
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ignored (help) "An overview of visual effects supervisor Dan Glass' and Cine -site's work on V FOR VENDETTA." - Winterton, Ian (2006). "Fear Me". Empire (202): 89, 91–95. ISSN 0957-4948.
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ignored (help) "Cast and crew discuss the making of and the themes in the film V FOR VENDETTA." - Wolff, Michael (2006). "R for Revolution". Vanity Fair (546): 44, 46–47. ISSN 0733-8899.
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The article summary states that V for Vendetta is set in 2020. this edit changed it recently and then it's gone back and forth. While the virus in the film started in 2020, the film was set in 2032. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.226.195 (talk • contribs)
- Can you provide any information to support your claim, such as when in the film it's stated that the virus starts in 2020? Thanks! DonIago (talk) 20:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Checking the edit history, 2032 was the status quo prior to January 2020. I've restored it and added a source. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Beat me to it; I concur with your change. Thanks! DonIago (talk) 20:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- I've reverted back to 2020, all reliable sources I could find mention "set in London 2020" and only Misplaced Pages mirrors and self-published content (possibly citing Misplaced Pages) mention 2032. 2032 was inserted in November 2018 by what appears to be a date vandal. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:35, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Rewatching the movie tonight, 2032 seems to match better but there isn't anything specific to that date that I've found yet. The flashbacks to the story from the detention center states that in 2015 Valerie met Ruth and then they were both taken by the government after 3 years together. This would put the very beginning of the actual V story arc at 2018. Meanwhile it would seem that Norsefire's rise to power and the situation in the movie would have taken longer to happen due to things like inspector Finch stating he was a party member for 27 years. Additionally, in the scene where Finch is reviewing Prothere's file he states he was one of the richest men in the country before becoming the Voice of London and the info on his screen states that Prothero bought stock in Viadoxic in 2020 and at some point later has been working for the BTN for four years. This would imply that the absolute earliest year the movie could be set in was 2024 (36:51 in the movie). The only other timestamped thing I found is another screen grab from Finch's computer showing that Father Lilliman's position has been Bishop from 2020-present. I think it is safe to definitively say the movie is not set in 2020. While 2032 is a feasible setting, I am yet to find anything that specifies that exact year but it for sure isn't 2020. Theyoyomaster (talk) 04:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Based on the discussion below it appears that the year has been definitively locked down to 2027-2028. Does anyone else have any thoughts on it before making the change? Theyoyomaster (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- If people don't want to cite IMDB that's fine but the rogerebert.com article is directly contradicted in the film. For a page about a movie, said movie should be the ultimate primary source, especially over a movie critic's article. Screenshots easily prove 2027/2028 as the setting so what is the consensus on the best way to cite that?Theyoyomaster (talk) 22:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Does anyone have any inputs on either citing IMDB or just considering actual dates visible on screen during the film to be a primary source? If no on else chimes in it would seem there is consensus here. It simply can't be 2020 since it is directly contradicted by the film itself. Theyoyomaster (talk) 01:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- I wouldn't support using IMDb per WP:RS/IMDb, and given that we're even having this conversation, I'd prefer a source other than "dates visible on screen" only because sometimes dates shown on screens in films aren't as thoroughly vetted for accuracy as they should be. DonIago (talk) 02:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's not ideal but the dates on the screens are all consistent and point to the same answer. The bottom line is this is a page about a movie and the movie itself presents the answer to this question. A single source of a movie reviewer claiming a date that directly contradicts hard facts from within the movie shouldn't count as the "official" answer simply because rogerebert.com is arbitrarily considered "more academic" than the primary source itself. The desire to use secondary sources shouldn't extend to arbitrary sources (Roger Ebert had nothing to do with the production of the film nor does he cite any sources for his claim of 2020) that directly contradict the primary source. Theyoyomaster (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- I wouldn't support using IMDb per WP:RS/IMDb, and given that we're even having this conversation, I'd prefer a source other than "dates visible on screen" only because sometimes dates shown on screens in films aren't as thoroughly vetted for accuracy as they should be. DonIago (talk) 02:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- Does anyone have any inputs on either citing IMDB or just considering actual dates visible on screen during the film to be a primary source? If no on else chimes in it would seem there is consensus here. It simply can't be 2020 since it is directly contradicted by the film itself. Theyoyomaster (talk) 01:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
- If people don't want to cite IMDB that's fine but the rogerebert.com article is directly contradicted in the film. For a page about a movie, said movie should be the ultimate primary source, especially over a movie critic's article. Screenshots easily prove 2027/2028 as the setting so what is the consensus on the best way to cite that?Theyoyomaster (talk) 22:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Based on the discussion below it appears that the year has been definitively locked down to 2027-2028. Does anyone else have any thoughts on it before making the change? Theyoyomaster (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- Rewatching the movie tonight, 2032 seems to match better but there isn't anything specific to that date that I've found yet. The flashbacks to the story from the detention center states that in 2015 Valerie met Ruth and then they were both taken by the government after 3 years together. This would put the very beginning of the actual V story arc at 2018. Meanwhile it would seem that Norsefire's rise to power and the situation in the movie would have taken longer to happen due to things like inspector Finch stating he was a party member for 27 years. Additionally, in the scene where Finch is reviewing Prothere's file he states he was one of the richest men in the country before becoming the Voice of London and the info on his screen states that Prothero bought stock in Viadoxic in 2020 and at some point later has been working for the BTN for four years. This would imply that the absolute earliest year the movie could be set in was 2024 (36:51 in the movie). The only other timestamped thing I found is another screen grab from Finch's computer showing that Father Lilliman's position has been Bishop from 2020-present. I think it is safe to definitively say the movie is not set in 2020. While 2032 is a feasible setting, I am yet to find anything that specifies that exact year but it for sure isn't 2020. Theyoyomaster (talk) 04:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- I've reverted back to 2020, all reliable sources I could find mention "set in London 2020" and only Misplaced Pages mirrors and self-published content (possibly citing Misplaced Pages) mention 2032. 2032 was inserted in November 2018 by what appears to be a date vandal. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:35, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
- Beat me to it; I concur with your change. Thanks! DonIago (talk) 20:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- Checking the edit history, 2032 was the status quo prior to January 2020. I've restored it and added a source. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:28, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- It's not just Rodger Ebert. See also Wall Street Journal, Meridian Star, and New York Times. These are all from 2006. Note, the April 2006 version of the article did mention being set in 2020 once in a "differences from the graphic novel" section. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:30, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's still directly contradicted by the primary source. Other than the filmmakers chiming in one way or another I don't see how it can be reconciled that they are not in line with what is shown in the film. Would the plot section get changed to say that Evey dies at the end simply because a reputable source claims it and then it is repeated? Maybe "set in the 2020s" is the best way to compromise between both since it matches both the movie and the articles.Theyoyomaster (talk) 15:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The year isn't significant enough to be obvious in the film, so I don't see a need to put the year in the summary. I think the current version is fine. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- I would be inclined to agree except for the meme going around with the incorrect year. People see that and come here to verify it so if the movie itself shows it being in a different year and it becomes relevant. I would bet that a large portion of recent traffic to this page is simply to verify what year it is set in, otherwise I would completely agree "near future" is all that is actually important. Theyoyomaster (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The year isn't significant enough to be obvious in the film, so I don't see a need to put the year in the summary. I think the current version is fine. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's still directly contradicted by the primary source. Other than the filmmakers chiming in one way or another I don't see how it can be reconciled that they are not in line with what is shown in the film. Would the plot section get changed to say that Evey dies at the end simply because a reputable source claims it and then it is repeated? Maybe "set in the 2020s" is the best way to compromise between both since it matches both the movie and the articles.Theyoyomaster (talk) 15:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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This film takes place in 2020 (not in 2032 as a user changed it to say on June 9th). 2600:1700:8461:29F0:8D00:4ABF:4CC4:F96C (talk) 12:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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Change from:
In 2020, the world is in turmoil and warfare
to:
In 2027, the world is in turmoil and warfare
That the Plot section of the Wiki article be updated to not reflect that the film is set in 2020. The current reference being used to state that the film is set in 2020 is from the article 'Dystopia' with a capital V which is not a referenced piece by Roger Ebert, but only an opinion and review of the film, and doesn't accurately reflect details that are apparent in the film. The first example of this can be seen at 16 minutes and 14 seconds into the film. There is an image of a computer record being accessed by Inspector Finch, of Evey Hammond, which states
Jan 2021, JRP Wycombe Unit 789 Workplacement by Juvenile Workforce Prog. JORDAN TOWER TELEVISION CENTRE Employed as a Personal Assistant
This record specifically refers to when Evey had been put in workplacement to work with Gordon Deitrich, which has occurred before her introduction in the film.
Also, as per a response to the question "What year was this movie set in?" in the FAQ on IMDB
2027 and 2028. About 1:30 into the film, the news anchor mentions the St. Mary's terrorist attacks "14 years ago." In the following scene, the detectives discuss two covert intelligence agents who suspiciously died "the day after" those attacks, and the computer screen reads their deceased dates as 06.05.14 (May 6th, 2014). So the film ostensibly is set from November 5th, 2027 to November 5th, 2028.
Please see about updating this, as having the article refer to the year 2020 will only mean that people will try and use this for Memes and jokes that appear to make it look like V for Vendetta is real and relates to the worlds current situation.
- Ebert, Roger (March 16, 2006). "V for Vendetta movie review & film summary". RogerEbert.com. Retrieved 15 June 2020.
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Griffmiester (talk) 07:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- A review of the scenes referenced from IMDB shows that it is correct. The movie is clearly set in 2027/2028. I agree that this is the final answer and the article should be updated. Theyoyomaster (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —KuyaBriBri 14:43, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- A review of the scenes referenced from IMDB shows that it is correct. The movie is clearly set in 2027/2028. I agree that this is the final answer and the article should be updated. Theyoyomaster (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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under plot please change "In 2020" to "In 2032". The source for the year saying its 2020 is not reliable if you go to all the past versions before June 14th of this year the year is 2032, I can't believe you let someone edit it without checking to see if that source is legit. 166.70.52.11 (talk) 07:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Question: Another request above requests the year be changed to 2027 or 2028 - Is there a definitive answer here? --allthefoxes 09:58, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Not done: Duplicate request. If the correct date is 2032 then an investigation with better sources will reveal this; no need to have two of the same open. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:36, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Under Plot, the year the film takes place is incorrect
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The film can not possibly take place in the year 2020, due to numerous context clues throughout the film. 1) When Eric Finch and Dominic Stone go to Evey’s apartment, Finch sees Evey’s old BTN ID card on her mirror. The expiration date on that ID is December 2024, and it is already expired, so it must be at least past that date. 2) In Lewis Prothero’s military records, it states that he was put in charge of the Larkhill detention facility in 2016, meaning V could not have arrived at the facility prior to then. It also says he received a reward for bioscience research in 2017, establishing the St. Mary’s virus as occurring in 2017-2018. 3) in Valerie’s letter, she states that she met her girlfriend, Ruth, in 2015, and they were together for three years before her imprisonment at Larkhill. Therefore, her letter to V could not have been written before 2018, meaning 5 November 2018 is the earliest V could have escaped from Larkhill. 4) In a newscast Evey sees shortly before the end of the film, which takes place a year after the beginning, the St. Mary’s virus is stated as having occurred 14 years before. By the timeframe the movie establishes, that could not possibly have been 2007, as St. Mary’s was created at Larkhill, which opened in 2016. 5) V states that it took ten years to clear the tracks below Parliament. As his escape from Larkhill occurred no earlier than 5 November 2018, the ending of the movie can be no earlier than 5 November 2028.
Assuming that St. Mary’s was unleashed on England at the end of 2017, and V escaped Larkhill on 5 November 2018, it is loosely established that the movie begins on 4 November 2030 and ends on 5 November 2031. 108.53.71.106 (talk) 16:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- ✗ Not done This request duplicates a discussion already underway in an above section. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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