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Please familiarize yourself with Indian scholarly work

Hey Jonathan, it has come to my attention that you're attempting to attack Indian scholars, and when malicious characterizations are removed about these Indians (e.g, Subhash Kak), you're reverting them and letting these insulting remarks stay on their pages without giving any reasoning for why those characterizations are allowed to stay. If this keeps up, you will be reported for being a disruptive user. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not being intentionally racist, so please do not continue to do this. :)

Racism or racist intentions when writing information about people or historical/scholarly topics are not allowed in Misplaced Pages. Thanks for understanding! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeCheers321 (talk • contribs) june 24 (UTC)

Edit warring (and possible POV-pushing) on Proto-Indo-European homeland

@Puduḫepa:, @Joshua Jonathan:, and @Doug Weller: Hello. There is a fairly new editor on Proto-Indo-European homeland who has recently made an addition with a very long string of refs on the Armenian hypothesis (in the main hypotheses section, meant to support the statement that the Steppe hypothesis is "strongly debated" by new evidence). To me, this addition seems somewhat undue and redundant given the fact that the hypothesis is already represented duly in that same section of the article and elsewhere in the article in other relevant sections. I addition, the new editor's many refs contained several that were either already represented, not WP:RS (e.g. blogs and journalism), or in some cases did not even support the Armenian/Southern hypothesis or discuss it. I reverted their addition explaining this in the edit notes, but they simply reinstated their edit with the note that it was "relevant", having seemingly ignored my explanations. I reverted them again asking them not to edit war (and to read my explanations and take objections to the Talk page), but they reistated their edit again with bery few changes (again largely igniring what I had explained). They seem to be edit warring and it looks like it may be a case of POV-pushing. It would be helpful and aporeciated to get your opinion regarding this Thank you and much appreciated. Skllagyook (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Here is the page's history: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:History/Proto-Indo-European_homeland Skllagyook (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

@Skllagyook: it would be better to ping us at the talkpage of that page; anyway, it's also on my watchlist. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:43, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Understood. I will continue the discussion there. Skllagyook (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:CV and WP:PA

Be aware that your insulting and offensive language in the talk page of proto-indo-European homeland has been reported at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard. Please do not repeat that and follow the regulations mentioned in the title of this message. Thank you. سیمون دانکرک (talk) 12:44, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Copy-right violations? Where? Ah, you meant WP:CIV. For the talkpage-stalkers: take a look Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#WP:CIV and WP:PA; Monty Python would love it. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Rigveda

Hi Joshua, hope your doing well. I was thinking to divide the translation and interpretation of Rig veda to Western and Eastern Authors as this would bring about most comprehensive outlook, would like to take up western part? Shrikanthv (talk) 05:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

The map of Brahminism

Very interesting data here. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Brahminism? I'd say, Muslim-influences. Aryavarta was in the Ganges-plain, not the Indus. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:15, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

You mean to say they became vegetarian to distiguish themselves from Muslims? That is in fact what Brahminism is! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 07:12, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I never understood this bullshit connection between vegetarianism and Brahminism that leads to idiots organising idiotic things like Beef parties. A poor animal loses their life for no real reason. Reactionary nonsense like that only further radicalises the other side. Only Brahmin were allowed to gain literacy back then. Should we encourage people to be illiterate and organise illiteracy parties to protest against Brahminism now? TryKid  09:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

No, I mean that vegetarianism iz highest in western India. That may coincide with Muslim influences, fof whatever reason. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

I had a Brahmin room mate once, who told me he doesn't mind us eating meat at all. It is all part of evolution! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:24, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Swaminarayan Sampraday

Hello I would like to get some help to make the following edit to the Swaminarayan Sampraday article.

Currently the section in dispute reads as follows:

Gunatit Samaj

The Yogi Divine Society was established in 1966, by Dadubhai Patel and his brother, Babubhai after they were excommunicated from BAPS by Yogiji Maharaj. The brothers were expelled after it was discovered that Dadubhai illicitly collected and misappropriated funds and, falsely claiming that he was acting on the organization’s behalf, led a number of young women to renounce their families and join his ashram under his leadership. After Dadubhai’s death in 1986, an ascetic named Hariprasad Swami became the leader of the Yogi Divine Society. The Yogi Divine Society became known as the Gunatit Samaj and consists of several wings: namely, Yogi Divine Society, The Anoopam Mission, and The Gunatit Jyot.

There is a proposal to change it to this based on the following sources:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Acts_of_Faith/Sgs9BAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22dadubhai+patel%22&pg=PT170&printsec=frontcover https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Introduction_to_Swaminarayan_Hinduism/tPkexi2EhAIC?gbpv=1&bsq=dadubhai%20patel%20was

The Change (Update Section):

The Yogi Divine Society was established in 1966, by Dadubhai Patel and his brother, Babubhai after they were excommunicated from BAPS by Yogiji Maharaj. The brothers were expelled after it was discovered that Dadubhai illicitly collected and misappropriated funds and, falsely claiming that he was acting on the organization’s behalf, led a number of young women to renounce their families and join his ashram under his leadership. Dadubhai believed Narayanswarupdas Swami, also known as Pramukh Swami, was against him and persuaded the BAPS trustees to remove him. After Dadubhai’s death in 1986, an ascetic named Hariprasad Swami became the leader of the Yogi Divine Society. The Yogi Divine Society became known as the Gunatit Samaj and consists of several wings: namely, Yogi Divine Society, The Anoopam Mission, and The Gunatit Jyot. Yogiji Maharaj's images and prior gurus are displayed at all Gunatit Samaj temples.

Is this something that is allowed or not?

Applebutter221 (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

1. ^ Cite error: The named reference :15 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
2. ^ Melton, J. Gordon (21–23 June 2011). New New Religions in North America: The Swaminarayan Family of Religions (PDF). Annual Meeting of the Center for Studies of New Religions (CESNUR).{{cite conference}}: CS1 maint: date format (link)
3. Swaminarayan Prakash. June 1966. Mumbai (Dadar): Akshar Bhavan.
4. Swaminarayan Prakash. June 1966. Mumbai (Dadar): Akshar Bhavan.
5. https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Introduction_to_Swaminarayan_Hinduism/tPkexi2EhAIC?gbpv=1&bsq=dadubhai
6. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Acts_of_Faith/Sgs9BAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22dadubhai+patel%22&pg=PT170&printsec=frontcover
7. https://www.google.com/books/edition/An_Introduction_to_Swaminarayan_Hinduism/tPkexi2EhAIC?gbpv=1&bsq=dadubhai