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Deletion discussion about Intelligent design (historical)

Hello, Markbassett,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Intelligent design (historical) should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Intelligent design (historical) .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Reinstating edit on Creation-evolution controversy

-- here we have the benefit of the exact item being talked about on google docs, yet guy misquotes a misquote from popper and ... claims that is the better way ... Theories then are never empirically verifiable." and "These considerations suggest that not the verifiability but the falsifiability of a system is to be taken as the criterion of demarcation."; , Karl Popper, The Logic of Scientific Discovery (1935; Engl 1959) pg 18

Hi Markbasset, I see you reinstated your edit I had reverted previously, which removes the word pseudoscience. That word is backed by the reliable secondary source used and quoting Popper directly could actually be considered WP:OR since it's a primary source. It'd be great if you could give WP:BR a read. When an edit you make is reverted you go to the talk page, open a new thread about it and then wait to hear from other editors' input on the issue. Reverting back is considered bad practice and doing so more than three times in less than 24 hs (I'm not saying you did BTW) is considered edit warring. I'd really appreciate it if you could self revert your last edit and open a new thread so we can discuss it. Thank you very much. Regards. Gaba 02:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Please try the article talk since the re-creation means I've really looked and still think the edit is appropriate and so posted there. But first, please consider the desireability of having the primary source on the section topic Falsifiability (the Popper book) in favor of a lesser secondary source and on what wording would convey what is modern application or re-interpretation and where it will have gone too far in rephrasing the secondary source. To be precise, Popper defines falsifiability as a separator for science from all else, not saying the all-else is pseudoscience. Even the secondary source seems to not be making it the determinant for pseudoscience but noting it as a criteria (one of many?) for distinguishing science from psuedoscience is the Stanford extension of modern discussions. Saying a test mentioned in modern discussions is correct of STanford, but saying it as the determination of a duality was not in Stanford. Non-falsifiable pieces might equally well be poetry, law, music, acconting etcetera. And while Popper used the word pseudoscience, to him Pseudoscience usage differs from that of modern day -- he used that for Bolsheviks as epithet for his fellow Jews having to teach politically-correct Marxist views in what we now would call 'soft' sciences. Markbassett (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

School and student project pages

Odd -- at illegal immigration, a Talk post mentioned being a senior at Rice University and intending to craft a page. Healthcare availability for undocumented immigrants She was/isKatcai02 and gotten a barnstar about Use of restraints on pregnant women .

Looking at her activity history led to finding another student at LHall19 and a general search for 'senior at rice' with site:wikipedia.org' turned up Wang1991 (and many others) who mentioned a class page Human Development

Love it ? Hate it ? Maybe systematically such will flush out due to low hits ... but then many small topics are in same kind of situation. Hmm.

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p.s. looking at contributor led to another class Misplaced Pages:Wiki Ed/California State University, Fullerton/Gender and Technoculture (Fall 2015) which says it is autogenerated class page ... hunh. Markbassett (talk) 18:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

pps now there is

Perennial sources

Not sure if you saw my suggestion #2 in this cmt re changing the name of that page to clarify its intent. Also note my cmt here that "The issue perhaps is how to most appropriately and clearly indicate the value-add of 'existing consensus'." You can vote on that here. I indicated my willingness to change my vote if that clarification is implemented. In any case, I'd appreciate your thoughts. Humanengr (talk) 20:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

User:Humanengr - I can see the title of it is wrong, being ‘repeatedly checked sources’ or something else. But then it seems a half-baked effort to what I am thinking seems a bad idea, so a poor title is not much surprise. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 01:05, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

I think we’re largely on the same page — see item 1 in my response to the Template:Supplement RfC. In anticipating the support this RfC would likely garner, I thought it best to make things a bit less inedible. That led to this proposal where my last adjustment to the proposal was prompted by your cmt that “Ultimately a source is only judged RS in some context …”. I see that proposal as a nudge and perhaps a step away from totally inedible. Humanengr (talk) 11:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Talkpage disruption

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• is where this all started. My notification is a courtesy since others seemed unobligated to alert you.--MONGO (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

User:MONGO Thank you for the link. Since it was phrased as a shut up or else, it's seeming par for the course of censorship attempt. If they did not understand my post it would hardly be so violently opposed, it would just be ignored or more detail asked for -- although at some point, I think MrX and Starship do actually know what I am saying, they're perhaps just unwilling to WP:BRDDISCUSS concerns. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

A lot of those talkpage comments require no response. As much as possible, always go armed with a load of references, especially from their approved venues....and keep things as short and sweet as possible to avoid acrimonious entanglements. In verbal conversations, few ever listen anyway, often talking past each other...but in online written discussions, this is even worse. At my job I have found that most people I chat with require me to repeat something twice if communicated verbally, and 4 times if done by email, and I even try to dumb things down for them so they get it. Misplaced Pages is worse even than that many times.--MONGO (talk) 19:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

::Also, Bishonen did ping you but me thinks as a courtesy, the reporting party, while not obligated since its not reported to a complaint board, should have done so...orbetter yet, AGF and simply come here and try to work things out directly beforehand.--MONGO (talk) 19:17, 14 July 2020 (UTC) snip

User:MONGO good hints. Though I still suspect there may be cases of topic selectivity, where some folks just don't want to or are congitively unable to talk about some concerns. That seems just the nature of the world these days Thanks again, the tips might help where it's not a strong block. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 19:27, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

stonkamets

Happened to see talk page of Stonkaments ...

Not sure of wp usage, but memes as topical policy/guidance might be good - philosophical stance is generally policy, and explanation or details is guidance

tiny gods (religion), follow your bliss, feeling your way in (history), etc... though under misc depressing “It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled.”

tiny gods ... it matters what vibes you spread, it matters which tiny gods you make more real through worship

We make the world real through actions that open the heart.

You get to consciously decide what has meaning and what doesn’t. You get to decide what to worship.

Because here’s something else that’s weird but true: in the day-to-day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship–be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles–is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It’s the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you. On one level, we all know this stuff already. It’s been codified as myths, proverbs, clichés, epigrams, parables; the skeleton of every great story. The whole trick is keeping the truth up front in daily consciousness.

Worship power, you will end up feeling weak and afraid, and you will need ever more power over others to numb you to your own fear. Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out. But the insidious thing about these forms of worship is not that they’re evil or sinful, it’s that they’re unconscious. They are default settings.

They’re the kind of worship you just gradually slip into, day after day, getting more and more selective about what you see and how you measure value without ever being fully aware that that’s what you’re doing.

LISTGAP

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Per MOS:LISTGAP (which I linked for you in my edit summary), please don't use leading bullets in unbulleted sections. Thanks. ―Mandruss ☎ 20:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

OK, it got put back though due to the edit conflict ... Markbassett (talk) 22:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)