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Recent reverts on NLP

I fixed up the language on the techniques section of the NLP article. Only to have it reverted by you without discussion. I'll work on another revision of it and post that tomorrow. Please discuss it before reverting. --Comaze 10:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The rules in the policy pages are clear. You will need to read up on language improvement first. NPOV policy page is the best, and there is a lot more you could do about words to avoid - also there is a lot of blurb with no sourcing, you seem to know the subject a bit so I suggest finding sources for that pretty pronto. AlanBarnet 10:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I have access to Psychinfo (OVID), so I can look it up here. I'll rewrite that Techniques section and make sure it is in line with the style/source before posting it. Your edits to the scope section were fine. Please add the {{fact}} to any views that require citations. --Comaze 10:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm working with the actual quotes given in that patterns section. It fits policy perfectly. Any rewriting will need discussion first so best post it in the discussion section. AlanBarnet 10:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with your view on the current patterns section. The format is not within the style guidelines, and it it appears to portray an unbalanced view. How can you say it fits policy perfectly? --Comaze 10:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It uses verifiable and reliable sources, and is written using neutral language. How do you justify your opinion writing in your suggested section? AlanBarnet 10:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree that the language is neutral. And there are much more reliable sources available for those techniques. I've expanded my reasoning on the talk page. --Comaze 12:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I replied to your objections. Basically consensus or agreement does not trump NPOV policy. Sorry. AlanBarnet 12:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you willing to get a third opinion on this? I think my version of that section was closer to NPOV than they version you keep inserting. Nonetheless, I'll rework it. NPOV says that "the article should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a verifiable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each."WP:NPOV --Comaze 02:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, third opinions are fine by me. What I have included has improved the article. AlanBarnet 22:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I want to work with you on this. If we come to any significant disagreements on the page let's use see if we can work it out first and use WP:3PO as a secondary method. Also, let's see if we can work on different sections of the article to bring them up to scratch. I believe that you are editing in good faith given that most of your recent edits have improved the article. BTW, I don't think you are one of the banned editors (as per below). --Comaze 04:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

If you want to work with any editor here you will have to stop deleting information as it is quoted in the sources. Your reasons for doing so are highly transparent as I have worked out how to check your history and your reasons for deleting or changing are not supported by any of the information from the sources I have gathered or the rest of the article. I see that the user Woohookitty has come to similar conclusions as myself. I will see about that third opinion myself. AlanBarnet 13:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I checked the sources myself and my reasons are within policy. Rather than blanket reverting please tag any disputed statements with "dubious" or "fact" tags. I have some spare time now so I'm going to work on the article. If you want to work on specific section then please let me know what section and I'll leave it for a while. Otherwise, I'll be doing alot of changes over the next few days. It is probably best if you wait until then to do any copyediting. --Comaze 14:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Banned from editing Neuorlinguistic Programming

Hi AB,

Are you the user previously known as HeadleyDown or any other user banned from Misplaced Pages? 58.179.189.82 23:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No I never got banned from anything in my life. Who are you by the way? AlanBarnet 10:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Nice try but you're not fooling anyone. Stop your campaign here. You're wasting your life. Your mother didn't get you into Hong Kong university so you could troll your life away. Unless you plan to police the article for the rest of your life you got WP:SNOW. 58.178.104.174 03:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

According to IP lookup http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl, my IP 88.106.13.232 is Dutch and yours 58.178.144.203 is Australian. I have no idea what Comazes is but you and he have very similar editorializing promo and timing. WPSNOW is not a policy page. You have just confirmed that NLP is in fact a cult and I should not waste my time on you. AlanBarnet 05:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

NLP

I want nothing to do with that article. I had my fill and then some. --Woohookitty 14:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm beginning to see your wisdom. AlanBarnet 14:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Please stop! I'm currenting doing a fact and reference check. --Comaze 14:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No Comaze your deletions will get reverted if you persist with the warped changes. You are the one making odd changes so you should be the one trying to persuade on the discussion page so that we can assess such dubious stuff. AlanBarnet 14:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

No AB, it's you who is stirring up a war on the NLP article. It's getting high time that you were checkusered and banned again. You not only fit the profile of the HKU banned users but you are doing identical edits. All users should simply ignore and revert you. 58.178.104.174 03:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoever you are, you are definitely on the wrong foot. User Woohookitty has said it pretty straight and the NLP article is being pushed into a promo booklet style which is very much like the NLP books on the shelf - lots of promo but no delivery and no real science. That is not encyclopedic writing and should be removed from Misplaced Pages. I have just adopted user Woohookitty's attitude and will police this article in the most efficient way possible (without having to deal with committed pov pushers constantly). You and Comaze definitely have non-neutral arguments and due to your last comments here I will push for Comaze to be tested for sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. Sorry but you pushed too hard. AlanBarnet 01:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

You've been around less than two weeks and you're arguing the finer points of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry? Yeah right! Like that's newbie behaviour. Your edits are entirely predictable as one of the returned banned users. There's no one else complaining about Comazes editing on the article, and in fact he has been commended by a couple of editors. Woohookitty's attitude is to be sick of blocking returned banned users like yourself. You are nothing like him.

The threat you made of stalking Comaze's editing on the NLP article is entirely unacceptable behaviour on Misplaced Pages -- but you already knew that. You've been around the block... pun intended. 58.178.144.203 05:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

What threat exactly? I do not threaten people on the Internet. Stalking is a criminal offence where I come from so your allegation is serious. Back it up or back off. I spent a lot of time answering the call to verify certain facts on this article and I even purchased literature to do so. I found that a lot of the article was not supported and I discovered that a lot of info in the history tab was perfectly supported so I put it onto the article. So far the only time well spent was looking up the rules of NPOV on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately those rules dont seem to apply to articles that describe new age cults. I am not going to waste my time dealing with you or Comaze every day. As regards commendations Woohookitty has already said enough. If Comaze was anything more than a promo pusher then Woohookitty would not call this article a lost cause. AlanBarnet 05:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Your statement, "If Comaze was anything more than a promo pusher then Woohookitty would not call this article a lost cause." could be considered as a personal attack. There are other examples. For example, in the edit comments here, . Please visit WP:NPA. Otherwise, let's start again. Thanks --Comaze 12:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok Comaze. Your edits and arguments are diametrically opposed to user Woohookittys urging to remove the promo booklet style of writing from this article. After I complied with user Woohookittys suggestions, you argued that my edits are cynical that the words used are pejorative and that they were not plausible. My edits were derived exactly and directly from NLP authors words. They may not be perfectly suited for the promo booklet style. Anybody with any ability to verify references will be able to revert the majority of your mostly promo booklet style edits. AlanBarnet 07:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

NLP

Could I suggest that mundane editorial disagreements are most likely to resolve quickly and productively when editors observe the following:

• Remain polite per WP:Civility.
• Solicit feedback and ask questions.
• Keep the discussion focused. Concentrate on a small set of related matters and resolve them to the satisfaction of all parties.
• Focus on the subject rather than on the personalities of the editors.

Having said that, on reflection, my choice of words in edit summaries hasn't always been very clever. Essentially, I was trying to say that if after making your edits, if you would check the integrity of the citations, that would be appreciated. Clearly, I should have been able to communicate this without using the word 'lazy'. Finally, your contribution to the article is appreciated. Addhoc 16:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry Addhoc but disagreements are likely on this article mostly because NLP is a cult that relies moslty on hoodwinking the reader. Satisfaction of all parties is unreasonable because Misplaced Pages and NLP users have opposing goals. My profession is mostly about checking sources within journalism research. Lazy is indeed a ridiculous slur in this case - though the laziest verifier would be able to notice the promo booklet pushing going on here. I will stick to NPOV on civility but there is no way that is going to help keep the facts in place or satisfy all parties. AlanBarnet 07:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Characterise views of skeptics. Beyerstein, Lilienfeld and Eisner are harsh skeptics of alternative therapies. If you want to include these views you need to characterise their bias. --Comaze 06:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

They are professors of psychology. That is their title and their bias. You cannot characterize them as harsh skeptics, and skeptics cannot characterize NLP proponents as psychobabble gurus. AlanBarnet 06:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Describing them as harsh skeptics does not have academic tones necessary for wikipedia. Perhaps their concern for the growing research-practitioner gap is closer to the mark. --Comaze 07:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

The Unvanquishable POV Warrior

He was at it for over a year with his continuous POV Warrioring, a relentless attempt to present not an readable overview of what NLP is or claims to be but instead an article that conformed to his 'NLP is pseudoscience/fraudulent/cultish' POV. He was banned and banned and banned sockpuppet, after sock puppet after sock puppet only to keep on coming. Is anyone surprised he's back as 'AlanBarnet' making the same POV changes to the same sections using the same quotes then offering the same denials? Let's keep on top of his POV Warrioring and keep pointing it out...

Clean Version: . Some reviews have characterized NLP as mass-marketed psychobabble

NEW POV AlanBarnet Revision: Reviews have characterized NLP as mass-marketed psychobabble

All reviews Alan/Headleydown? Why get rid of the 'some' if your not tryng to POV Warrior?

Clean Balnced Version: These "power therapies" have been criticised for lacking substantive clinical support.. Devilly (2005) raised similar concerns for psychology and psychiatry. Nonetheless NLP is used or suggested as an approach by some mental health bodies, including the National Phobics Society of Great Britain. MIND, USU: Student Health and Wellness Center, the British Stammering Association, the Center for Development & Disability at the University of New Mexico Center for autism, and Advocates of Child Abuse Survivors.

New POV AlanBarnet Version: hese "power therapies" have been criticised for lacking substantive clinical support.. Devilly (2005) raised similar concerns for psychology and psychiatry.

AlanBarnet Just wipes out the balanced nature of the article to enforce his POV view. Anything indicating and validity or acceptence to NLP MUST simply be deleted, or marginilized.

Clean Version: Research reviews suggested that the techniques and underlying theory may even be untestable.. Moreover subsequent peer-reviewed psychological and experimental research in various disciplines has been sporadic.

New AlanBarnet Version: Uh Oh. AlanBarnet just deletes the inconvenient cited facts.

Why delete that AlanBarnet/Headlydown? Because the idea that NLP may be untestable conflicts with this point of view that NLP has been tested and has failed.

AlanBarnet/Headleydown... you're just going to get banned again for this blatant POV Warrioring and the article is going to get balanced out again. Why not pick up another hobby? The EFT article is looking pretty vulnerable?. No need to reply or complain about good faith. I'm not touching this article again. Let him dig his own hole.74.38.250.5 06:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Whoever you are, you have an obligation to be civil on Misplaced Pages according to the rules. Your comments are not really worth replying to in detail as they are so wrong. Your wild accusations do not help. See my reply to user 58.178.104.174 above. Deleting verified quotes from research conclusions and replacing them with commentary is not encyclopedic at all. So I will correct the problem once again. AlanBarnet 04:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Peer review sources

I want to avoid slipping into an adversarial position on the NLP article. I think the best way forward is to see if we can improve the article by improving the quality of sources for all significant views. I see no better way than to relying primarily on peer-reviewed sources. This removes alot of the controversial sources that have not passed peer-review. They also have an academic tone that is more appropriate for wikipedia. This will also make checking the facts and references simpler. --Comaze 09:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Comaze you slipped into deleting relevant views on a regular basis already. I looked up what can be included according to NPOV policy and relevant views it is. That is my focus. Whatever I verify as relevant and reliable can be included or restored. Straight reporting! AlanBarnet 05:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I've requested page protection so these issues can be resolved. --Comaze 05:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Interesting move Comaze. Protection against what exactly? AlanBarnet 06:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

When a page is protected only admin can edit the page. It can be used as a cool-off period when editing becomes heated. --Comaze 12:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Reasons for revert on NLP

I'm going to revert most of your edits today. The problem is that you've exaggerated the negative commmentary and mixed it with the research. In its current form it is a patchwork of unrelated sentences. It is also against consensus and exaggerates skeptical POV. Essentially, if you want to insert more criticism you will need to balance it with supportive literature as per WP:NPOV. You may not agree with it, but we all need to be able to write for the enemy on wikipedia. I will return the favour. By the way, several of your editing patterns are very similar to Camridge / JPLogan / HeadleyDown; can you explain this? --Comaze 07:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I can. You don't want me to edit this article because I keep reverting your editorializing or reverting whenever you delete relevant views. I have already identified you and user 58's edits as being just about the same and coming from the same country. You run a company that promotes NLP. It is clear from your own user page. Both you and user 58 have called me by the wrong name and suggested that I am dishonest. I suggest you watch your step. Whatever way you look at it you have broken NPOV policy so many times in the last few weeks that any effort to continue your antics will be reverted. I see no such activities on the other articles I am editing. Your biased editing is completely uncooperative. Please learn to collaborate with the verification efforts of the other editors. AlanBarnet 07:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll address the specific policy violations. Firstly, writing for the enemy is not an official policy but is part of the normal practice on wikipedia to encourage writing from a neutral point of view. This is something you have failed since your first edits here. You have inserted exaggerated skeptical statements. This is a violation of original research and neutral point of view. On wikipedia we write we give preference to mainstream science, but we need to present NLP as atleast plausible. Even if you think it is pseudo-science. Notice that I have written on both criticism and definitions of NLP. When there is significant disagreement in the literature then the dispute is to described objectively. Secondly, you continually add a patchwork of statements from various minority sources that comment on NLP. At the same time you have been confusing this with the research review. As you know we've had many sockpuppets on this page so forgive my questions about your similarity to banned editors (HeadleyDown etc.). Furthermore, the text you inserted has often been written by those banned editors. Much of the text written by those edits has been found to be grossly misleading. Pasting in their text only serves to undermine the confidence in your more constructive edits. In light of this Assuming good faith with your edits has been increasingly difficult. Nonetheless I will look for positive aspects of your contributions to see if we can comprimise. I would appreciate it if you could return the favour. In your previous comment, you say "watch your step" - is that a threat? Please see No personal attacks on wikipedia. Let's keep personal comments out of this. Comment on my specific content, not my person. --Comaze 08:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

No it is not a threat. I do not threaten people. I am giving you sound advice in order that you don't get blocked. None of my edits are exaggerated and I have been writing for the enemy throughout. Unfortunately you keep deleting that information. It is all relevant including the information concerning the NLP authors views on rituals. I will restore the information that is the result of writing for the enemy. AlanBarnet 08:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with your personal comments. On wikipedia it is expected that we discuss the specific issues of reverts. By pointing to the relevant policy I hope you will learn to write within policy. Other editors, including me, will respond well if you are more specific objections. It is even better if you can quote from policy and provide links to the edits you disagree with. As it stands the reluctance to discuss the issues makes it very difficult to find a comprimise. Discussing the specifics issues with reverts is a necessary part of wikipedia revert policy. May I suggest for balance perhaps you could merge some of your negative views with some counter examples from supportive literature. Including unsupportive views as well would allow you to write for the enemy more effective to reduce the skeptical point of view --Comaze 10:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I partially reverted your recent contributions as those quotes have already been incorporated into the article. It is good to see you're learning more about wikipedia policy (eg. WP:COI). There are better places to resolve conflicts than using AN/I. I don't think COI applies in full to me as explained on AN/I. Nonetheless, I will continue to edit the page. Can you be a little more specific with your objections to my edits. You seem to be escalating the situation without first engaging in 3rd party opinion, request for comment, or other dispute resolution systems available for content disputes. You'll find that most articles are edited by people interested in the topic. The COI is really there to stop organisation promoting themselves. Or researchers promoting their own research. None of this applies to me. --Comaze 10:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA and WP:RPA

You wrote that "conspiring with Comaze and following his POV (he is also from Australia and runs a company that promotes NLP)" These details you have posted about me are incorrect. Previously you have made remarks could be considered defamatory in nature. None of these allegations are appropriate in a public forum on wikipedia. If you suspect violations of WP:sock there are more appropriate venues to present your case. Disrupting the talk page with these allegations is unwikipedian. Please remove all these personal attacks with 7 days. see WP:NPA and WP:RPA. --Comaze 14:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

AlanBarnet. This article needs people who are prepared to take the time and effort to research the subject. HarrisTweed, who looked like a really good source of scientific thinking and had access to research papers, appears to have been frightened off by all the conflict on this article. Please lets all start again and try and keep it calm and clean. I for one am interested in seeing what extra references for research you are proposing to produce (Williams, Drenth etc). I'm also interested to see if Comaze can come up with any research that supports NLP. Nobody else has found any yet! I also think we need to consider the pseudoscience question in the light of any verifiable claims NLP makes to be scientific. Lets not waste time and space on all this arguing and reverting. Yours in hope Fainites 17:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Fainites. Yes its really regretable that helpful editors are bullied into leaving by incivil meatpuppets/sockpuppets. I myself have had ridiculous accusations chucked at me from the beginning despite my purely NPOV based edits, and despite my strong efforts to find the relevant information in quote form. In reply to your concern on the talkpage; your edits are not at all consistent with Comazes or the seeming meatpuppets or sockpuppets he seems to be using to support his POV pushing. You do seem to be conducting your efforts with a neutral article in mind. I havn't seen you attempt to snip away at the science views in the way that Comaze and the numbers have. I have compiled evidence to sort this out by the proper means in order to reduce the problem of editors being pushed away by groups who have no concern for civility, fact, or balance. Your continued help and concern is appreciated. AlanBarnet 04:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I tried to negotiate with you on several occasions. I directed you to relevant policy, explained the reasons why some of your edits were being reverts. I agree that solid referencing is the way to go. Also a separation of "skeptics views" from experimental psychology from research from other disciplines. Each discipline has its own stance on what is acceptable as evidence. I think you're also confusing the views of pseudoskeptics and an objective description of what is available from the psychological and experimental evidence. --Comaze 09:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi AlanBarnet. You can e-mail me your sources now. Thanks. Fainites.

Hi. I've put my e-mail on the preference page. Any advance on those sources? Better still, don't leave. Fainites 22:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Journalism standards

Hi, Alan. I saw your note on the journalism talk page. I might be interested in collaborating. These days I mainly work at wiki focused on journalism, and the info could be useful at both places. It's easiest to contact me at my Journawiki talk page. Maurreen 23:57, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks much Maurreen. Yes that sounds like a good project to collaborate on. Will do. AlanBarnet 04:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPA

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Comaze 12:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Comaze. None of my comments has constituted a personal attack. Not one. You seem to me to be complaining about me pointing out your known conflict of interest on the NLP article. You have a known conflict of interest. Please stop editing articles related to NLP. AlanBarnet 05:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's get to the specifics. It seems that you think the article is becoming too promotional. Guy has asked for it to be more descriptive. I agree with this. You have relied on some old statements and quotes that were misinterpreted by HeadleyDown. A number of editors have been working to check the facts and reference to restore this. I'd rather we concentrate on desribing the different points of view of reputable/reliable sources. There are going to aspects that we can agree to disagree. There are going to be aspects where we can find some agreement. I cannot argue against the inclusion of verifiable / reputable view from reliable (peer reviewed) sources. In fact this should be encouraged. There are a number of main points of views that are emerging from the article and the criticism now appear more reasonable. Trust in the wikipedia collaborative process and we'll be ok :) --Comaze 05:29, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

You have just against posted a link to personal details. Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. --Comaze 05:33, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Guy has expressed the wish that you stop editing NLP related articles because of your known conflict of interest. I agree with Guy entirely. The longer you stay editing NLP related articles the longer Misplaced Pages seems to suffer as a result. I cannot and should not have to collaborate with NLP provider or promoter companies. Your strategy now seems to be to present the facts but not clearly and not with due weight. Your presence as an NLP provider on the NLP article is unacceptable. I have notified Guy and asked if I am doing anything out of line. As an NLP provider company I cannot trust your statements. I will take advice from Guy on this matter. AlanBarnet 05:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no "NLP provider" company here. I'm happy to provide proof to a third party. Let's focus on sorting the content issues. How do you propose to objectively determine due weight? --Comaze 05:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Your harassment of editor Comaze

Please read. WP:HA.

• Posting of personal information

Posting another person's personal information (legal name, home or workplace address, telephone number, email address, or other contact information, regardless of whether or not the information is actually correct) is harassment, unless that editor voluntarily provides or links to such information himself or herself. This is because it places the other person at unjustified and uninvited risk of harm in "the real world" or other media. This applies whether or not the person whose personal information is being revealed is a Misplaced Pages editor. It also applies in the case of editors who have requested a change in username, but whose old signatures can still be found in archives.

You CANNOT argue your right to post someone's personal details. You seem so obsessed with arguing that you are incapable of recognising a gross misdeed. Posting personal details is blatant harassment. It would be nice for you to apologise to Comaze including removing the personal details you posted, but I'm not sure if that's enough as the damage is already done. Many editors will judge your character on your ability to be sensitive to real world damages you may be creating. I'm quite profoundly surprised you take yourself so important here at wikipedia that you feel you have a right to maliciously comprimise another persons personal details. 211.26.210.90 21:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

User 211. There was no way of knowing user Comaze's personal information until he admitted to it whereupon I stopped posting the information. There was no harrassment at all. Plus - the information is freely available on Comaze's userpage anyway. Comaze has been acting in a highly suspicious way and continues to work on NLP articles despite admin's request to stop doing so. Comaze continues to obscure relevant facts and present incomplete facts as is in evidence from yesterdays edits. He even removed his personal details from his userpage yesterday and said he would leave Misplaced Pages when nobody is asking him to leave. What is so stressful about not being able to edit NLP related articles? Then he returns (with a passion he states) and starts editing again. I'm reporting Comaze's odd behaviour and COI and you seem to be asking me to stop doing so. AlanBarnet 04:53, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi AlanBarnet. I've refactored your personal comments on Comaze to his talk page to avoid letting the discussion on the article talk page get polluted with trolling and argument. I intend to continue to refactor any personal comments you make on the article talk page. Please read wikipedia policy carefully so you will note that talk pages are for discussing articles, not editors. Also note that WP:AN/I is for notifying admins of users that need to be banned for serious offenses (such as posting another users personal information; as you did). WP:AN/I is not for arguing the contribution merits of edits and editors. Take care. 58.178.234.128 05:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

58. Considering your close association with an editor who persistently ignores the COI policy - you have zero credibility concerning any of those subject you mention above. So far the only replies of admin have supported my notifications and assessments. I am perfectly within my rights to help the article by warning editors about their COI. I will use ANI for notifying admin of your and Comaze's unconstructive activities until admin notify me otherwise. AlanBarnet 06:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Really? You're just going to ignore policy because I pointed it out to you? That seems a trifle spiteful. WP:AN/I is perfectly clear:

This is not the Misplaced Pages complaints department. If you came here to complain about the actions of a user or administrator, or if your problem is a content issue and does not need the attention of people with administrator access, then please follow the steps in dispute resolution. These include: mediation, requests for comment, and as a last resort requests for arbitration.

Take care. 202.67.115.1 09:39, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

202 or 58 whoever you are! I took a good long look at the Posting personal details information and it shows very clearly that my posting of Comaze's details is not harassment at all because of the clearly stated clause "unless that editor voluntarily provides or links to such information himself or herself.". Comaze has provided that information himself and you and he (if you are not indeed the same person) have actively tried to cover up that information on the ANI noticeboard. Similar to your distortion - minimization - cover up - of key science views on the NLP article you've definitely been <..WP:RPA..>. Furthermore if you look further down on what constitutes harassment - you've clearly been harassing me on this talkpage. Do it again and you get reported! AlanBarnet 06:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Let me get this straight. You start two WP:AN/I notices about me and then you contest my decision to discuss it on your talk page? Go ahead, file a complaint about me. I note that ALL 1000+ admins on Misplaced Pages ignored your last timewasting complaint on WP:AN/I. What do you think will happen when you post a third timewaster notice? 203.134.139.32 11:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

On the comaze issue. Actually, Comaze asked you specifically not to post his personal information, including his real name and his occupation. As I saw, you then went ahead anyway and posted his real name against his wishes and you also speculated about his occupation. It is this speculation which is the basis for your claimed conflict of interest. 203.134.139.32 11:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Still posting users personal details after several warnings

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. "Posting another person's personal information (legal name, home or workplace address, telephone number, email address, or other contact information, regardless of whether or not the information is actually correct) is harassment". Please stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Comaze (talk • contribs) 13:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Comaze. Your posting of unwarranted warnings can be seen as harassment according to the harassment article link posted above. Please stop. I have only reiterated the view of admin. Clearly admin Guy is not personally attacking you and neither am I. AlanBarnet 07:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for comment on NLP dispute

AlanBarnet, Let's try and work out some of our disputes. Perhaps we could get request for comment. Is the opening (third paragraph) the pressing issue for you? If so, would you like to a third opinion on that? --Comaze 13:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Comaze - further to the above - you have no right to be editing NLP articles. Working out this problem means you leaving NLP and related articles alone completely. I don't need a second or third opinion on any of this information. You heard it from admin and you heard it from me and its writ clear on the related article on COI. (..text removed under WP:RPA..) You have a very obvious COI. Stop editing NLP related articles. Your bias is clear and extreme - and you are causing conflict by persistently editing on NLP and related articles. AlanBarnet 06:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

AlanBarnet. The WP:COI you claim is incorrect because Comaze was already one of the subjects of a 4 month long arbitration case in which 7 arbitrators determined he was entitled to edit the article. That is about the most binding decision you can ever get on wikipedia, and carries a couple of megatonnes more weight than any single admins opinion. Your only sanctioned recourse is to follow the dispute resolution process. It's a good process and it might be just the thing we all need to get working together again. The article can only benefit from third opinions and requests for comment. Comaze has held out an olive branch a few times now. Would it really kill you to give him the benefit of the doubt? 203.134.139.32 11:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea about Comaze's prior conflicts but you as an anon IP are not really to be taken seriously - and of course the situation now is that there are no sockpuppets at all on the NLP article. Only as Guy said to you - there is a pressing problem of those with a vested interest obscuring the key issues on the article. You seem to be one of those obscuring key views against NPOV as I will explain in more detail on the NLP article. As far as admin goes - unless you are a grade A hacker - you have no idea about all my communications with administrators. As it is we seem to be on very good terms. AlanBarnet 07:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

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