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This User Page discussion is currently being vandalized. For recent news on this topic, see WP:NPA, and a new notice up at WP:PAIN. Insults may change rapidly as the event progresses.

For those of you that keep vandalizing my page, please feel free to continue to do so. I do not know what I said that triggered this vandalism, so if you wish to explain in civilized terms, I will be happy to receive you.

你这个没有教养的狗崽子，想骂我就骂吧。爱怎么骂怎么骂！ 你是UBC的学生吧。

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Falun Gong Sarcasm

OK as long as you were being sarcastic I withdraw my comments. Jsw663 06:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

PS Is mediation even possible for an entry about Falun Gong? Given the controversy, I don't think true mediation is possible, regardless of whether you ask the ArbCom, the MedCab or any other party. Think about it - how many people can have truly neutral views on both the CCP and FLG, as well as have a relatively centrist political inclination (ie not pro- or anti- human rights / 'freedom of religion') and not be involved in the matter in some way (eg through ethnicity) yet be sufficiently knowledgeable? Jsw663 06:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

In response to your questions

1)I've studied Falun Gong in North America and in Taiwan (I currently live in Taiwan), but not in Mainland China. 2)As much as I know about the inner workings of the CCP, which is a fair amount, I certainly know a lot more about the inner workings of Falun Gong practitioners. 3)I would say that I know Mao's background better than Mr.Li's. There's a whole lot more info available on Mao than on Mr. Li.

4)I've taken undergraduate courses on Chinese history, art, religion, and poli sci. I've also done a fair amount of research on my own. I've written papers on the Taiping Rebellion, so I'm quite familiar with it (and I think Falun Gong is rather different). I'm also quite familiar with the Korean Tonghak rebellion, which is often compared with the Taiping Rebellion.

Hope that answers your questions --Mcconn 15:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I feel sorry for you, Communist dog.

You can never ever assimilate in Western culture, all the years of brainwashing in hte Mainland ensured that is so. When will you ever get out of the box? Think outside the box- you heard of that???????? Chinese people are so dumb.........

Be responsible of what you say! You should not confuse a single person with the whole ethnic group. Although Colipon is dumb, that does NOT mean that all Chinese people are dumb. You could be accused of racism.

Next time, at least sign your comments so I can hear why I'm such a dumb person. Colipon+(T) 00:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Arbcom

Informal mediator WikieZach| talk is preparing to move the Falun Gong mediation case to the Misplaced Pages:Arbcom. I have been asked to alert concerned (to the best of my knowledge) editors about this matter. Thank you. --Fire Star 火星 23:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism removed

User:MAOZEcriminAL vandalised your user page, so I reverted it as you were away at the time. I left his jibe on your talk page though, as I thought you might get a kick out of it or something. John Smith's 11:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection

If you would like, your user talk page can be protected from editing by IPs. —Centrx→talk • 18:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:1996 Leaders of the Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation Leaders’ Forum

Template:1996 Leaders of the Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation Leaders’ Forum has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Indon (reply) — 10:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Falun Gong mediation

Hello, I'm sorry it's been awhile, but I recently agreed to mediate that case. I don't know if it's a stale issue, so it would be good if a few of you let me know whether or not mediation is still needed. Since there are so many of you, I'm going to assume that all of you agree to me mediating until and unless I am told otherwise. I'm also going to assume public mediation is fine, unless someone asks for private mediation, or I come to think private mediation might be better. I would, however, appreciate it if you just said something there to let me know if you are still around. Also, assuming you are still interested in mediation, please watchlist the page if you haven't already. Thanks! Armedblowfish (talk|mail) 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

about Xiao Zhuang Wen

Hi, Colipon, why did you move without discussing on the talk page? I think that Xiaozhuangwen Grand Empress Dowager should be moved and Xiao Zhuang Wen should be redirected because Xiaozhuangwen Grand Empress Dowager has a much longer edit history (from 12:21, 22 November 2003) than Xiao Zhuang Wen (from 22:49, 28 September 2006). --Neo-Jay 10:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. A solution is to move Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang back to Xiao Zhuang Wen and then requet to move Xiaozhuangwen Grand Empress Dowager to Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves. See Talk:Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang. --Neo-Jay 20:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

more on Falun Gong

On Jsw's talk page you mentioned that you think Falun Gong has characteristics of a cult, and I wonder if we could discuss this further. I will start by saying some things, then you can respond, and we may progress towards understanding. I think that this would be beneficial. I will tell you some things; you may know them already. Falun Gong practitioners meditate and read the Dafa books. Now they are also doing a lot of things to tell people about the persecution against Falun Gong in China. None of the teachings in Falun Gong tell practitioners to do bad things. The teachings have as their focus telling people how to do good things, and think in good ways. In conflicts, Falun Gong practitioners are supposed to look inside themselves for the reasons and then improve themselves. The basis of it is personal improvement and attempting to increase self-knowledge and self-understanding, and the goal is complete self-knowledge and understanding, attaining the Tao, 返本歸真, 圓滿, probably you know those. I won't say too much more here. Maybe you have some misgivings and you think that practitioners worship Li Hongzhi, or that their understanding of Li Hongzhi is one that you do not think is true. I can only put it that way. I don't know what you think or if you want to discuss this with me, so I won't say more on that point yet. One main thing I should say is that despite what you think about the teachings or the beliefs of Falun Gong practitioners, those things are not harmful, they are not telling people to do bad things, and they are not actually bad. Falun Gong practitioners are being tortured, raped, beaten, burned, and simply executed in China right now. The CCP has also been taking the organs from live Falun Gong practitioners for sale, and incinerating the bodies. Did you know that? Have you read the Kilgour-Matas report? Maybe what I am saying is hard to believe, so I would recommend you read that report, which looks at the evidence in a pretty straightfoward way. What is happening to Falun Gong practitioners is completely unjustified, totally unjust, and it is really shocking and horrible. If you do not know where to read this information, or you have not read it before, I can give you some links. It is very well documented by many third parties. You also said that a lot of the commentary has been from a western perpsective. Can you tell me what you mean by that? Most of the things I have read are sort of recounting the tortures that Falun Gong practitioners have undergone at the hands on police, along with photos... Do you think an Asian based human rights organisation would do it better? So I guess I don't really understand that comment. If you respond then we can discuss it further. --Asdfg12345 23:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I am nearly twenty one. I am Australian by nationality, and my home is in the capital, Canberra. I am in my third year of an arts degree, majoring in philosophy and english. I am from a middle class family. I am not sure what more information you would like, if I am giving you the kind of information you want, and I do not understand why you would ask me for that information. I had some reluctance to say things about myself and was going to respond to your question with another one: "Why?", but I guess it is fine, though I don't really understand. Anyway, I will tell you some more. Over the course of one or two years I read books about philosophy, mysticism, and also supernormal things. From philosophy what most interested me were writers like Plato and Spinoza - I do not like 20th century european philosophy, like postmodernism etc. Also, I found a writer called Colin Wilson who has written several books compiling a large amount of information about paranormal events or things that cannot be explained with our current empirical/materialistic model of understanding ourselves and the universe. Reading one of his books led me to finding out about an Armenian mystic called Gurdjieff, who lived in the early 20th century. His writings influenced my thinking a lot. He had a pupil called Ouspensky who wrote a great deal about higher dimensions and introduced a completely new way of thinking to me. His book Tertium Organum had a very strong influence on my thinking, and soon afterwards I encountered Falun Gong. I do not consider these occurences coincidental. I initially had a strong intention to study political science but my interest in it faded and these other things gave me different ways to think, and particularly to understand the meaning of human suffering, which I initially woke me up to questions about the meaning of life and the universe in the first place. If you have never read these things or taken an interest in them I do not think you will understand me, the way I think, or truly understand Falun Gong. In the last discussion I had with a university friend I found that my understanding of reality is incompatible with political interests and that I am also no longer able to participate in discussions about those topics, as it is absolutely and fundamentally unrelated to what I think at this time. We were talking about Marxism and I think some other modern stuff. I notice that you have studied history, sociology and politics, and those things are so far different from what I have in my head. I think that in the things one comes across in this world people interpret them through their own particular tools of understanding or comprehension - either political theories, sociological theories, philosophical theories, whatever it is... For me, I am looking at things in a particular way as well. I am sure you have seen the film The Matrix, and maybe you have also read Plato's story about the Cave? That is pretty much what I think, this reality we are presented with, three dimensions, our bodies, this environment - our world - the general understanding of life and death, suffering, everything, is a complete delusion, it is totally fake, and not true at all. I had thought this before I practiced Falun Gong. So when it comes to the things that happen here I pretty much do not have a view of them, I understand them all as cause-and-effect relationships playing out, and that human beings are totally lost in delusion and do not realise it. I think it is sort of inevitable, this state, and it has to be this way. I think the purpose of human existence is to rise out of this and return to a state of completion or truth, or full realisation of being. I do not know if I am helping you, or this is what you wanted me to write. I interpret your question to me to be for the purpose of finding out about me so you have some idea of who I am.. though I guess in the end I do not understand how that could be related to responding to me. I have written a fair bit, so I do apologise if this is not what you were after. I have written this to help to orient things. In the end my purpose of communicating to you is to tell you that Falun Gong is not bad. Falun Gong practitioners meditate and read books, wish to harm no one, and understand themselves to be living for the purpose of realising the truth of their existence. This will not harm anyone, society, or anything. It is actually good for the people around them, because they are always trying to be kind and conduct themselves well... There is also the insane and brutal genocide... I could write a great deal more, and I could write for a very long time about many more subjects, to explain myself more. Sorry this is so long. I hope this helps. Look forward to your response.--Asdfg12345 22:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)