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I sacrifice the integrity of wikipedia for my goals? what do you think my goal is?--Yueyuen 23:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Asdfg, I've responded to your Nov. 29 response regarding the Misplaced Pages Talk: Requests for mediation/ Falun Gong. I should also point out that randomly and baselessly accusing others of un-Misplaced Pages behavior is un-Wikipedian behavior in itself. Jsw663 11:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

haloo, if u used this language universal salvation to all sentient beings. i ask u did you founder teach (example: the wild dogs, crazy dogs, bunch of wolfs, tiger and shark) with meditation and lecture them did he do that? did the crazy dogs or shark understand his language? so i more considered humanity than universal its look vague to me if you used the word universal salvation to all sentient beings, is there aprrrove or evidance that your founder talk with wild dogs, shark, tiger and suddenly they understand and follow meditation? and suddenly they not eat meat again forever even when times they over with meat? .Daimond 15:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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Response to your accusations on my talk page

Reproduced here for you:

Asdfg, your actions speak louder than your words. Your edits on the Falun Gong page, by supporting Omido's version, shows that you support a totally biased version and have no interest in seeing genuine NPOV. It has undone all the hard work put in by both sides to reach a consensus. Such un-wiki actions is worrying, because for a while there was a remote possibility that you were willing to adhere to WP:Civility. Accusing others who insist that you adhere to Misplaced Pages policy as supporters of the opposition is also distinctly unhelpful. And finally to address your post, show me some reliable non-pro-FG proof of the above, AND be willing to accept the CCP's rebuttal to such an allegation, THEN we can engage in the "frank discussion" you claim to be promoting. After all, if Falun Gong practitioners were 'defenders' of the 'truth', then what have they got to hide by letting the other side air their views? Why take such drastic steps to hide any criticism of FG? Is there something unworthy that must be hidden? If Falun Gong were really that good, why hasn't the entire world converted to Falun Gong?

In the future, please adhere to Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines when editing. If you show yourself to be a trustworthy editor who abides by, at the very least, Misplaced Pages rules, "frank discussion" can be engaged in and maybe a satisfactory compromise veresion can be agreed on. But as long as you support one side's version only despite having agreed on compromise versions on the discussion page of the Falun Gong entry backed up by your support for a version by someone who has persistently engaged in edit-warring and violated the 3RR rule over and over again, a final version will never be reached. Thus arises the question: are you, Asdfg, interested in arriving at a compromise version between the two camps that was a result of a constructive debate that adhered to Wiki policies? If so, please be careful of your words and actions in the future. Insulting admins like Fire Star, for example, is not a good start. Jsw663 03:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Falun Gong

Hi. Before I respond to your comment on my talk page, could you please provide a rough demographic background of yourself so I can correctly phrase my response? Colipon+(T) 06:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I wonder how I should put this. Before I go forth I must say I admire your faith and level of understanding in philosophy. I have studied the works of Plato and in fact recently compared it to The Matrix in terms of their parallel philosophies, I enjoyed both works. Whether or not you are actually a 21-year-old living in Canberra I will not go beyond my comfort zone to attempt to confirm, but from my understanding you are not ethnically Chinese. You have been searching for a purpose, an underlying philosophy about life which you seemed to have found in Falun Gong. For this, I say again, I admire your faith. I am here to bring to submission that I have not reached that level of understanding myself.

As a subscriber to certain taoist and buddhist beliefs myself, please understand me when I say I find it difficult to relate to Falun Gong. I have read parts of Zhuan Falun, watched many Falun videos while I was in China (long before the crackdown), my understanding of it comes from years of discussions with religious experts, practicing buddhists and taoists, and political analysts, as well as my personal experiences. I have talked to many Falun Gong practitioners myself. I will not attempt to debate with you about your beliefs as I think it would be unfair to interfere with them, as I consider it rude for someone else to come and interfere with my own. What I will say here is that from the empirical evidence I have gathered, Falun Gong's founder, Li Hongzhi, and its practices within China before the crackdown were at best, questionable if not outright illegitimate, bordering on being fraudulent. I am not against any of the major principles of Falun Gong, I am but trying to voice a concern that these principles were abused in a way not generally understood in the West. Every time I bring forth these facts I am always considered a lier and a dog of the Communist Party of China. Anything I say against Li is an attempt at slandering his image on behalf of the CPC. I feel that this treatment is unfair and deeply deprecating of my person and beliefs.

Colipon+(T) 23:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you have an e-mail? Perhaps it will make our communication easier. Colipon+(T) 23:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you can add me on Windows Live Messenger with my account hongshi_fang@hotmail.com if you also use this form of instant messaging. Colipon+(T) 23:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)