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Thanks for the wikibreak. I appreciate it. ◊PRAHLAD (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 20:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of MediaWiki:Offline.css

Hi TonyBallioni, You have deleted MediaWiki:Offline.css. This is mandatory for a proper rendering of the offline Misplaced Pages. Therefore we have a problem now. Would you be able to restore please or if not to point me to the discussion/rationals behind this decision? Thank you in advance for your help. Kelson (talk) 12:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC) @Docjames, Nemo bis, and Bluerasberry: Kelson (talk) 12:56, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Propose undeletion pending discussion. The deletion was tagged as noncontroversial when discussion first is the norm. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:07, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kelson and Bluerasberry: talk to Primefac about it. I did procedurally as an IntAdmin at his request on the understanding that the underlying page it relied on no longer existed (So really should have been G8, I guess.) TonyBallioni (talk) 13:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Primefac: What are the rationals behind your request? This is breaking a lot of things, a quick action would be appreciated! Kelson (talk) 13:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

At this discussion it was mentioned by Xaosflux that the .css could be deleted following the template deletion. Since this is apparently incorrect I suppose the page should be restored. Primefac (talk) 16:50, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm.. @Primefac: thanks for the note, though I'd be interested to hear where this is a problem? Without that template, what is still invoking a class that needs to style content that the TfD discussion basically said didn't need to be styled? — xaosflux 16:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kelson: I suppose you would have the examples? — xaosflux 17:00, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: "Template:OnlyOffline" is needed to have something displayed only on offline version of Misplaced Pages. "Mediawiki:offline" is a stylesheet which is applied to any offline Misplaced Pages article. Wheither used or not (at some point it was used and it might be used in the future), the template is not there, it is not possible anymore to do that. For the stylesheet, AFAIK there was a few rules to do specific things but here again everything erased so not history and no way for me to recreate it. I'm a strong supporter to clean unused things but here you went a bit too far and I would really appreciate your restore these two pages. What wonders me a bit is that you have been specifically warned about the problem during the discussion, but still went through to the deletion. Kelson (talk) 16:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kelson: so I'm a bit lost here - please provide an example of a page that is not working here on the English Misplaced Pages? If you are referring to an off-site resource, they should manage their own style sheets. — xaosflux 16:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: Yes "offline" means "off-site". There was no problem AFAIK, 3 volunteers at least explained to you there is a problem. You don't really get it, but you still explain to me how we should work to avoid the problem you created. Now all of this is going to take hours and hours of discussion... why? Next episode tomorrow. Kelson (talk) 17:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Kelson: so if some non-Misplaced Pages site is having some problem, it's not really our problem. The contents of that page were literally:

.onlyoffline {
display:inline !important;
}

but also, I'm not aware that we are even declaring that class on any of our pages, so where would that even be used (please point to a page if it exists)? If an external site is injecting their own classes into our content, they can provide their own styling for their class as well. If you are here to argue that we should maintain, and actually use Template:OnlyOffline you can take that up with the others because that is a much bigger argument that I haven't been involved in at all. — xaosflux 18:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I'm assuming this breaks something to do with or WP:1 (Kelson is named on the latter page). That... isn't our problem at all, and Kiwix/WP 1.0 should consume Misplaced Pages as-is instead of asking us to maintain workarounds. -- a 18:25, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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As you may know, I welcomed the user, and in response, they said that they are not new. User page design and knowledge of procedures support that. I checked the list of missed friends (of the "... or have just given up" kind) but nothing turned up. All I know is that I didn't see anything "disruptive" in their editing. The collapsing of a section with a non-neutral belittling header offended me also. It's only my stubborn abstinence from that kind of discussions preventing me to interfer. The calculation that when you wrote 50 FAs you are entitled to do such a thing hurts me as well, but same. Moxy has it right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:38, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

70.49.251.168

user:70.49.251.168 is abusing her talkpage. CLCStudent (talk) 13:51, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

CLCStudent, sorted. Glen (talk) 13:58, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Rename request & courtesy vanishing

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I have chosen to ban myself from this website indefinitely due to an indiscretion that I made. The mistake was completely unintentional and not malevolent, but it doesn't seem like it was taken that way, and people's feelings seemed to have been hurt, so I will no longer edit. I completely misread the names of and mixed up two people that I shouldn't have. I have apologized.

Before I do leave, I'd like for my name to be changed and my account to thereafter be vanished, please. I put in a request via email, but it was rejected due to a duplicate request. I've tried contacting several renamers, but it's become a very complex issue. I would like to let bygones be bygones in this case. Had my mistake been intentional and maleficent, I would completely understand the seeming disputes between editors to have my account renamed. Is there any way for you or another administrator to manually get this done or to look over my request, please? Factfanatic1 (talk) 17:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Cuties

Hi there. I see you have protected Cuties for violations of BLP policy, but the page in question is not a BLP. While I don't intend to point fault I would be interested in hearing why this was done, in case there is something I have missed. Naleksuh (talk) 05:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) While it's mainly about biographical articles, the very first sentence of WP:BLP says "Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Misplaced Pages page" (emphasis original). So protections under WP:BLP can be applied to any page on which information about living people is being abused. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:38, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I suppressed a lot of information on that page, and usually most admins know that a BLP protection with a ton of gray lines means that the protection was because of suppressed material. We try not to call attention to issues involving the oversight policy. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Boing! said Zebedee: Ah okay, so BLP policies is more "any information about living persons" rather than an actual BLP page?

@TonyBallioni: I am sorry if any undue attention was called to Oversighted material, I was just wondering about the page. I have no objections to this topic being removed either if it is a problem. Naleksuh (talk) 00:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Naleksuh, BLP applies on every page on Misplaced Pages. No worries about asking about it. It’s difficult for non-admins to tell if something is suppressed. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:38, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

@Naleksuh: Exactly. The "BLP" name is a little misleading, and I suspect it originated as something specifically about biographies before being extended. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 05:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

The BLP policy sprang from the Seigenthaler incident in the ancient days of 2005. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:19, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Aha, interesting, thanks. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 07:56, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Request for uninvolved administrative assistance

Hi TonyBallioni, I have come across a situation that could use the eyes of an uninvolved administrator. In the process of reviewing an RfC closure that I made as an uninvolved administrator on the page People's Mujahedin of Iran, I noticed that a prominent quote appears severely misquoted or potentially made up. Unfortunately, the page is under a consensus-required restriction authorized by community general sanctions, so I fear I cannot unilaterally remove the quote. Could you review this and advise and/or take proper action as an uninvolved administrator? Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 01:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, L235, I’m not sure there is anything I can do as an uninvolved administrator, but if you want my advice as an editor who has been active for a while and is familiar with sanctions I can give it. I would remove the text because WP:V is the ultimate content policy, and general sanctions are not designed to allow unverifiable text to overrule V. While I ordinarily would not recommend this approach in a GS/DS regime, if you are of the view that there’s significant doubt as to the authenticity of the source WP:IAR and then seeking review on the talk page seems to be the best way to go. I’ll go ahead and do it if you’re concerned because of closing the RfC, though I think it would have been fine for you to remove as well. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping an eye on the article, guys! El_C 01:31, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

FYI

Hello TonyBallioni, few arwiki sysops told me that TheEagle107 is a sock (behaviorally confirmed) to this master. As Bbb23 now retired, so if you can deal with it, or at least pass to other enwiki CUs please. Thanks in advance --Alaa :)..! 17:03, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

That Zorro guy is back again

I also have stopped sock-puppetry you can check to I have a suspicion these three accounts are zorro's account he or she loves making pie charts especially in religion in turkey and both dogan and hossein seem like diversion accounts something he or she also did in the past like with chechenwarrior I could be wrong but hereIamNotU can check to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/ShamilAzeri https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Hosseinxxx1945 https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Dogan2000

Btw I had to make this account I can't tag others from my main account when I tried it before. Arsi78602 00:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)