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: You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The fact is it happened, many leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film made comparisons between this film and Trump and this was all reported in ] publications. Take a look at ] and enjoy the Trump references in that article instead. -- ] (]) 04:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
: You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The fact is it happened, many leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film made comparisons between this film and Trump and this was all reported in ] publications. Take a look at ] and enjoy the Trump references in that article instead. -- ] (]) 04:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
:So yes, it is a "fact" that some Hollywood people and leftist commentators have political opinions. This is a common journalistic technique in use today—reporting someone's political narrative (i.e., opinion) and claiming it as a fact in the sense that the person actually said it. Is it really surprising or notable that leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film (i.e., Hollywood types) made comparisons between this film and Trump? I don't think so. IMHO, the Legacy section is merely promoting a political narrative that Trump and his supporters are idiots, and I don't think the section is appropriate for this Misplaced Pages article. —] (]) 12:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
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The section of Commentary seems to state in a factual manner that Trump's policies mirror ineffective and unintellectual themes of Idiocracy, rather than clarifying that that is what the article in question is making claim to. I believe this needs to be reworded to accurately reflect it is an opinion, not factual, in order to follow Misplaced Pages's guidelines on neutrality. Tradeojax6 (talk) 02:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I'd say it is pretty cautiously worded already "others expressed opinions". I edited the bit about the Salon.com article to make it more neutral since the author of that article was warning the left against making simplistic comparisons that would alienate people, so that should be providing a counterpoint but perhaps it needs to rephrased again to make it clearer. Maybe the article should explain that Trump is in the WWE Hall of Fame (and incidentally Dwayne Johnson is not).
I can understand that because the section includes many left wing opinions it might seem biased but I do think it is accurately presenting those left wing opinions in a fair way.
I made an attempt to remove a bit of bias from the "Legacy" section and renamed it to better fit the content. Feel free to let me know or change it if you disagree, but I think it retains its meaning without being overtly controversial. {CA S U K I T E } 05:10, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I restored the WP:STATUSQUO before I saw this comment. I think the recent repeated vandalism doesn't deserve the level of consideration you've shown. The wording "wrestler turned president" was not unintentional, it was quite deliberate. Donald Trump was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame in 2003. This topic didn't get just a few articles, it was covered in Time magazine. and many others. If anything the section is too restrained and doesn't offer half enough explanation, analysis, and emphasis, for the amount of coverage it has received. Also I wouldn't limit the Legacy section to Trump. It has been a big deal but it has hardly been the only time people have compared the state of society to the film Idiocracy.
Trump voters are gonna Trump. Misplaced Pages editors should do what is best for this article even if it means having to revert and be vigilant. -- 109.79.169.6 (talk) 04:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
That seems fair. If the community here agrees that the section is acceptable, which seems to be the case, I am happy to continue reverting the vandals. Thanks! A S U K I T E 14:36, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Table to prose
I'm just going to note here that the article would be greatly improved by changing the table in the Box office section to WP:PROSE. I'm not ready to do it myself yet, and I don't want to slap a big ugly Template:Table to prose tag on it, so I mention it here in case anyone is feeling enthusiastic and might do it before I eventually get around to it. -- 109.78.218.56 (talk) 13:45, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The fact is it happened, many leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film made comparisons between this film and Trump and this was all reported in reputable publications. Take a look at Air Force One (film) and enjoy the Trump references in that article instead. -- 109.76.198.1 (talk) 04:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
So yes, it is a "fact" that some Hollywood people and leftist commentators have political opinions. This is a common journalistic technique in use today—reporting someone's political narrative (i.e., opinion) and claiming it as a fact in the sense that the person actually said it. Is it really surprising or notable that leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film (i.e., Hollywood types) made comparisons between this film and Trump? I don't think so. IMHO, the Legacy section is merely promoting a political narrative that Trump and his supporters are idiots, and I don't think the section is appropriate for this Misplaced Pages article. —hulmem (talk) 12:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
