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:'''Q''': Why is this presented as a conspiracy theory when the New York Post and others say it is true? |
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:'''Q''': Why is this presented as a conspiracy theory when the New York Post and others say it is true? |
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:'''A''': The New York Post is not considered reliable by Misplaced Pages, and the core components of the conspiracy theory have been known to be false since 2016. |
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:'''A''': There factual reliability of The New York Post has been ] by editors, and a consensus has been reached that it is not a ]. The core components of the conspiracy theory have been known to be false since 2016. |
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:'''Q''': But Joe Biden withheld US aid to get Ukrainian President Poroshenko to fire the prosecutor! |
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:'''Q''': Didn't Joe Biden withhold US aid to get Ukrainian President Poroshenko to fire the Prosecutor General? |
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:'''A''': Viktor Shokin was widely regarded as corrupt. There were demands for his removal from within Ukraine as early as June 2015, before Joe Biden got involved. US policy for removal was bipartisan, and the US was joined by the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Shokin was removed after an overwhelming vote of the Ukrainian Parliament in March 2016. Contemporaneous investigations showed no evidence of undue influence. |
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:'''A''': Viktor Shokin was widely regarded as corrupt. There were demands for his removal from within Ukraine as early as June 2015, before any international involvement. The US policy seeking his removal was bipartisan, and the US was joined by the European Union, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. Shokin was removed after an overwhelming vote of the Ukrainian Parliament in March 2016. Extensive investigations showed no evidence of undue influence. |
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:'''Q''': But Shokin was investigating Burisma! |
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:'''Q''': But wasn't Shokin investigating Burisma? |
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:'''A''': No, the entire problem was that he was ''not'' investigating Burisma, or multiple other companies. The investigation of Burisma was on hold, and there is evidence that Shokin was pursuing investigations only when the companies refused to pay bribes. Removing Shokin made it ''more'' likely that Burisma would be investigated, not less. |
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:'''A''': No, the entire problem was that he was ''not'' investigating Burisma, or multiple other companies. The investigation of Burisma was on hold, and there is evidence that Shokin was pursuing investigations only when the companies refused to pay bribes. |
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:'''Q''': What about Hunter Biden's laptop? |
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:'''A''': The FBI has warned since 2019 that Rudy Giuliani is being used as a conduit for disinformation by Russian intelligence. The provenance of the laptop is considered dubious by all respected media sources, and the situation has parallels with the Russian ] operation against Emanuel Macron in 2017. The idea that Hunter Biden, a California resident under intense public scrutiny, would drop off an unencrypted laptop at a Delaware computer shop run by a Trump supporter, rather than use an Apple store or a local trusted repairer, is also considered dubious by mainstream sources. There are also reports of Burisma being hacked by Russian actors early in 2020. At this time, no serious sources take the laptop at face value. |
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:'''Q''': But the laptop! |
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:'''Q''': Wasn't Hunter Biden unqualified for the Burisma job? |
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:'''A''': The FBI has been warning since 2019 that Rudy Giuliani is being used as a conduit for disinformation by Russian intelligence. The provenance of the laptop is considered dubious by all mainstream sources, and the entire operation has parallels with the Russian "Fancy Bear" operation against Emanuel Macron in 2017. The idea that Hunter Biden, a California resident under intense scrutiny form the right, would drop off an unencrypted laptop at a Delaware computer shop run by a Trump supporter, rather than use an Apple store or a local trusted repairer, is also considered dubious by mainstream sources. There are also reports of Burisma being hacked by Russian early in 2020, and multiple statements from connected individuals telegraphing the release before the event. At this time, no serious sources take the laptop at face value. |
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:'''A''': Hunter Biden had experience as a corporate lawyer, as executive vice president of a bank, and in government. He was hired to advise on corporate governance. It is not a stretch to assume that this was in part due to his name, but nepotism was not involved – he was not hired to a job by a family member. |
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:'''Q''': But Hunter Biden was not qualified for the Burisma job! |
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:'''Q''': Didn't Hunter Biden have drug and alcohol problems? |
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:'''A''': Hunter Biden had experience as a corporate lawyer, an EVP of a bank, and in government. He was hired to advise on corporate governance. It is not a stretch to assume that this was in part at least due to his name, but there was no nepotism involved - he was not hired to a job by a family member, or due to a family member's influence. |
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:'''Q''': But Hunter Biden had drug and alcohol problems! |
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:'''A''': This is well known and openly acknowledged. |
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:'''Q''': Aren't you representing mainstream media as the truth, when conservative media says a different thing? |
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:'''A''': This is well known and openly acknowledged. Joe Biden spoke about it in the first presidential debate. |
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:'''A''': Editors measure the reliability of sources against a standard ], including for ]. A source's political orientation, liberal or conservative, is not a factor. Editors then aim to write from a ]: giving due weight to sources that are known to be reliable, while avoiding giving undue weight to sources that are known to be unreliable (for more information, see ]). Our policies do not state that extraordinary claims and fringe theories, such as the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy, need to be presented along with commonly accepted mainstream scholarship as if they were of equal validity (see ]). |
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:'''Q''': But you're representing mainstream media as truth, when conservative media says a different thing! |
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:'''A''': The opposite of mainstream is fringe. The opposite of conservative is liberal. Mainstream media contradicting the fringe narrative includes the '']'' and the '']''. |
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