Our article, rhinoceros, says "a group of rhinoceros is called a "crash"", which suggests they often move in groups. However, this page suggests "As solitary creatures, both male and female rhinos establish territories.". I do not know how reliable either of those sources are. The African Wildlife Foundation suggests it depends which species you pick, saying "The black rhino is usually solitary. The white rhino tends to be much more gregarious." where 'gregarious' means roughly 'friendly/outgoing'. So it generally looks like they don't have a herd mentality similar to sheep, but some species may spend more time with other rhinos than others. Skittle 14:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd think the meaning of gregarious here is the original, literal one: "living in flocks or herds", from Latin grex, gregis, ""flock"" or "herd".  --Lambiam 14:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

No, Rhinoceroses do not have a herd mentality like sheep. The adult males are invariably single. The females are occasionally found in small groups (2-4), together with calves, but they wander off on their own (with the youngster) apparently as they feel like - no "follow the leader" phenomenon. One does not see large families, like elephants or hippopotami. But then, maybe we are looking at the result of decades of slaughter, maybe a hundred years ago they used to occur in large families or herds - I'll have to retract my initial response than, and say we do not find them like that "these days". Unfortunately I would not have access to older books before next year. --Seejyb 01:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I attempted to edit a page, but after clicking on "save" I did not see my changes in the page.

I attempted to edit a page, but after clicking on "save" I did not see my changes in the page. I am registered, and I was logged in when I tried to save the page with my addition. What did I do wrong?

Thanks.

The911Show 12:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Your history does not mention any changes made, I advice to try again. Alternatively it could be that you tried to edit a locked down article which only established users can edit. Joneleth 13:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Also when you try to save while another edit has been made you will be redirected to the edit page again and have to merge your changes by hand. Aetherfukz 13:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes you get a cached, earlier version. See Misplaced Pages:Bypass your cache for a way around. You can further click the tab at the top of each page to see whether you edit went through; this has always shown me the actual situation.  --Lambiam 15:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes, even after the edit goes through and I clear my cache, I still get the older version of the page. I know this isn't just a problem with my cache because sometimes the following happens: I come upon vandalism on a page. I attempt to edit the page, but when I get to the edit menu, the vandalism is gone. You could argue that the vandalism was removed between when I loaded the page and when I pressed edit (and sometimes this is true), but the edit history shows that the last edit was actually a few hours before I loaded the page. --JianLi 20:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Sometimes when I type something it appears, but is deleted again a little while later.172.189.77.244 20:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

My little puzzle

Tell me what this means and where it is inscribed:

"insensé que vous êtes pourquoi vous promettez vous de vivre longtemps, vous qui ne pouvez compter sur un seul jour."

V-Man737 13:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Should be the Catacombs of Paris, but as I speak not a word french, I have to resort using babelfish: Foolish that you are why you promise to live yourselves a long time, you who cannot count over only one day. I'd say it would roughly mean something akin to Live every day as if it would be your last day. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aetherfukz (talk • contribs) 14:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

It can be found inscribed somewhere in the Catacombs of Paris and translates roughly as "demented you are why do you promise you will live long, you who cannot count on one day." Keria 14:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

And it is a translation of the original Latin Ha stulte, quid cogitas te diu victurum, cum nullum diem habeas securum?, from The Imitation of Christ by Thomas à Kempis.  --Lambiam 15:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is a translation of the original, as literal as possible: "Hah fool, what do you think you shall live a long time, when you have no day for certain?" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lambiam (talk • contribs) 15:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

yellow 1st down stripe

I would like to know how the yellow stripe is done on tv broadcasts for football games. That stripe being the first down mark displayed on the screen for viewers.

    gary

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Braggsaltydawg (talk • contribs) 15:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

( http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/first-down-line.htm) is probably what you want. ny156uk 15:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

• It's called "1st & Ten", and Misplaced Pages has an article about it at 1st & Ten (graphics system). Dave6 10:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Columbia Ice Company, Pittsburgh, PA

Looking for information on the Columbia Ice Company, Pittsburgh, PA. Owned and operated by Jeremiah McKinley around 1920.

Siamese behavior, part deux

A while back, I asked about my sister's cat sleeping with his head up against the corner of something here, and I finially got a picture to clarify - here. So again I ask; is there any reason behind this, or is he just a strange cat? Thank you! 71.220.127.97 18:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

They probably find it more comforting to be close to something, eg as though they are back with their mum. However, all cats are inscrutable. I've seen them adopt some very strange sleeping positions.--Shantavira 18:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Cats do that for the same reason you lean your head against the window when sleeping on a train or use a pillow in bed. -THB 20:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

pawn shops

Can I please get a list of pawn shops in Orlando, Fl?

Here you go. The Misplaced Pages Google Queen 18:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Magnet

Hello, I'm looking for an aluminum magnet. Can anyone find one and tell me where to get them? Thanks. - Xoshe 22:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Well you're going to have to start by finding some Unobtanium, 'cause that's what an aluminum magnet is made from. Good luck! 192.168.1.1 2:30pm, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Aluminium is not ferromagnetic, so it can't hold a magnetic field. See paramagnetism for further info. Still, alnico alloys make good magnets, and they contain the element. — Kieff 01:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

It does work nicely in electromagnets, though. And it's a component of alnico.

Atlant 14:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

HagermanBot (talk · contribs)

How exactly does HagermanBot tell the difference between an unsigned comment, and an alternative signature, such as when people just paste the time, date, and their name, as you frequently see here on the RD? Also, how long does it take HagermanBot to find an unsigned comment

Did you read User:HagermanBot#Conditions?

Odd that HagermanBot has yet to pick up on this conversation, and sign us

Hmm, maybe HagermanBot backs off if it realizes we're talking about it. Actually, I think it could be to do with the template in the heading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shantavira (talk • contribs) 10:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

OK. That seems to be because I left a blank line before my comment, unlike this test. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shantavira (talk • contribs) 11:06, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

I give up.--Shantavira 11:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a crack at one of the conditions... "The edit must either create a new heading or exist as an indent under an existing heading."

Hm. And this really belongs at WP:HD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Froth (talk • contribs) 01:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC).

December 31

Making dates into links

On 31st December 2006 Mmoneypenny wondered why people keep making dates into links. Is this helpful to Misplaced Pages? The work of a malevolent bot? Perhaps I am missing some subtletly, some unwritten rule which says every date must be linked? I await gratification. With thanks Mmoneypenny 00:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, have found "build the web" and the other link to dates in the manual of style. But is this really a way of building the web?Mmoneypenny 00:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is. It interconnects Misplaced Pages pages related to a certain date. Also, if we didn't link to date pages they would probably be close to orphans, given the fact very little articles would link to them otherwise. In turn, the date pages wouldn't have a whole lot of info. — Kieff 01:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The purpose if linking dates is not to "build the web". Instead its to allow specialist formatting. WP:MOSDATE explains, "If a date includes both a month and a day, then the date should almost always be linked to allow readers' date preferences to work, displaying the reader's chosen format. The day and the month should be linked together, and the year should be linked separately if present." Rockpocket 01:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

big ben chimes

on mid night on new years eve does the first or last chime mark the 12 midnight

A Striking clock begins to chime on the hour, making the first one the hour's most accurate mark.Wolfgangus 01:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

First chime of the big bell, that is, not the preliminary ding-dong-ding-dongs. --Anonymous, December 31, still 2006, 02:27 (UTC).

If you want to be truly pedantic, the big bell is Big Ben (i.e., "Big Ben" is the name of the bell, not the clock or the tower). The tower it's in is actually St. Stephen's Tower (although everyone calls it Big Ben), and the clock itself, AFAIK, doesn't actually have an official name. Grutness...wha? 09:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I always thought Big Ben lived in Pittsburgh... V-Man737 20:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

In films it is usually the last chime, but I expect this is just to add suspense, as they only have twelve chimes of the bell to do whatever it is.

Hot Dogs

Why are hot dogs (also called frankfurters) always curved?

Are they?  --Lambiam 06:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hebrew National hot dogs are more or less perfectly straight. I don't think that has anything to do with them being kosher, but you never know... —Keenan Pepper 06:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

From Hot Dog History:

In 1852, the butcher's guild in Frankfurt introduced a spiced and smoked sausage which was packed in a thin casing and they called it a "frankfurter" after their hometown. The sausage had a slightly curved shape supposedly due to the coaxing of a butcher who had a popular dachshund.

Does that help? — Kieff 09:01, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

If you mean "why do they curve when cooked", this happens because uneven heating causes uneven shrinkage. The side that gets the most heat will be the shortest. StuRat 15:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hot dogs are not always curved. If yours a so consistently, they are not being cooked properly. --Nelson Ricardo 18:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I've never had a curved one - always straight - you didn't mean bratwurst perhaps?87.102.14.212 18:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not positive on this, but whether a sausage is curved or straight may have something to do with if it is made with natural casings (curvy) or artificial casing (more likely straight). -- 21:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Premonitory dreams at a school

WikiProject Reference Desk Article Collaboration This question inspired an article to be created or enhanced: Pantglas Junior School Please consider contributing

Does anyone know anything about a premonitory dream that saved the lives of hundreds of children in an, I believe, English school disaster in the sixties or seventies? Uh, sorry that sounds so crazy. I remember reading something about it. Thank you. 66.65.50.46 03:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

You may be referring to the death of 144 people at the Pantglas Junior School in Aberfan, Wales in 1966. There were reports of precognition, however they were not reported until after the event and thus, sadly, never saved the life of anyone. Here is an article about it with sources Rockpocket 03:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

endless night

when was the novel endless night, by Agatha Christie, set(in what time period)? """"

According to Allreaders, the time period is somewhere in the 1930's to 1950's. SWAdair | Talk 03:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

On the other hand, The Agatha Christie Companion by Dennis Sanders and Len Lovallo (1984, ISBN 0-517-47925-7) says the book "deals with the swinging youth of London, as did Christie's two previous novels". In other words, they say it was set in the present day (which was the 1960s: the date of publication was 1967). I've read it myself, but didn't like it and hardly remember it, so I can't comment from my own knowledge. --Anonymous, December 31, still 2006, 05:45 (UTC).

Well, the book deals with swinging youth but has very little to do with London. I can't think of anything in the novel indicating the setting wasn't contemporary to the time of writing (1967) - the modernist architecture could place it any time from the 20s on but the ease/ frequency of international air travel tell me it was definitely later than the 40s. Natgoo 12:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

bankrupcy

My friends husband passed away not leaving a will. He owned a small newspaper that the attorney turned control over to my friend on a temporary basis until it is settled in surrogate court. In the meantime the business is going bankrupt, who is responsible for any of the debt for the business, my friend or his estate? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.31 (talk) 13:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

This is a legal question for an unknown state or country, so we really can't help you, other than to point to the article on probate. --Zeizmic 13:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

According to WHOIS, the above poster is from City: Germantown, MD, 20876, US. OF course this could just be where their ISP is based--71.247.246.54 21:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

It depends in part on how the business was incorporated, and in what way the business was 'turned over' to the friend. Anchoress 21:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Clock face positions

I would like to know what it is called when people give positions of objects relative to something else, I don't know if it is themselves, using the numbers on a clockface. An example is in 24 day 2 when Nina spots for Jack and says things like, "Your eleven o'clock, 90 meters" etc. Also is there an article about it? Algebra man 15:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

This is an example of relative direction, but using clock face directions. I haven't found an article about it. I'd think it would be in Category:Orientation. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, the term "your six", as in, "I'm your six", has come to mean being somebody's backup, just like "I've got your back", from air battles when one plane flies directly behind another one to protect the one in front from attacks from behind. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that it has a specific name, once somebody explains it to you its very hard to forget. If you wear a watch look at it, all will become clear; 9 o'clock is your exact left and 3 you exact right and so on, this creates very accurate directions for somebody when you are telling them the direction in which they should look, you say " ten o'clock" so that they know what you mean and where to look as quickly as possible. Using your own ten o'clock when talking to somebody will only create confusion.AMX 18:09, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

It's called the "clock method" or "clock face method" and it is frequently used to tell blind people where their food is on a plate. -THB 23:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it? how do you explain the concept of a clock and the location of the numbers to somebody who has never seen one before? Braile?AMX 17:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

What, no one answered this? You give them a clock where the hands and numbers are uncovered (and where the markings can be felt). --Anon, January 5, 18:38 (UTC).

note in colloquial usage 'on your six' simply means right behind you, it can also mean, in dogfighting an enemy plane directly behind you in optimal position to use its cannons. I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but to give directions in clock-face, simple put 12:00 directly in front of the subject in question, 3:00 to their right, 6:00 to their rear and 9:00 to their left. Thus 11:00 would be left-foreward (a 30* angle left from center) and so on. Hope that helps Wintermut3 05:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Old Family Videos to DVD

I was recently cleaning out the basement when I came along some old family videos. I'd really like to burn them onto a DVD, but I'm not sure how. I know there's probably a way to get the videos (on VHS) onto my computer, and from there I know I could burn them onto a DVD. But, I don't know what kind of equipment I would need to do that. Besides getting them on the computer, are there alternatives to getting them onto a DVD? If anyone could point me in the right direction or help me with what sort of equipment I would need I would appreciate it. Thanks for the help. --71.117.40.40 18:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

To do it on a computer, you would need a DVD Burner, and either a Capture Card (which pulls both audio and video at once) or a graphics card with a video-in port, and a sound card with a line-in port. You would plug your VCR in to the computer, and and use one of several programs that can then capture it, and convert it to MPEG-2 to burn to DVD, (The capture card may even come with bundled software to do so). Video Help is an excellent resource to help if you decide to go this route. If you would like an easier all-in-one solution, you could buy a set-top DVD recorder, you would just plug the output of a VCR (if possible, to improve video quality, try to use Composite(RCA) or even better, S-Video, instead of Coaxial) into the input of the recorder, and go to town, but the recorders can be expensive, to the point where it may be cheaper to just find a company in the area that offers the service. Cyraan 19:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Some modern camcorders can turn external video signals into digital video. And I disagree that modern DVD burners are expensive, but the nuisance factor of getting it all done may still convince you to use a commercial service. On a Macintosh, iDVD makes it all pretty easy, though.

Atlant 14:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, should have been more clear, I meant the set-top recorders can be expensive, DVD burners for PCs are indeed very cheap nowadays. Cyraan 17:39, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Do Black US males actually talk like this?

I just saw Boyz n the Hood - I had never seen it before. Though I am British and found much of the spoken script difficult to follow, it was an easy enough storyline to follow, indeed very powerful. But my question is (and I know the film was made about 15 years or so ago), do Black males in LA or anywhere else in the States actually talk like the characters did in the film? Do they call each other, Bitch, Whore and Nigger - the last of these being actually used by a Black Patrolman more than once? Do they actually say, "What's up?" and "Who dis?" when answering the telephone. And as an aside, how can it be possible (as portrayed) for anyone to get hold of an AK47 and enough ammunition to make LA look like an everyday scene in Iraq? I have travelled reasonably frequently to the USA - East and West, as a tourist, but have never personally seen or heard anything like the behaviour or insulting, threatening and self-deprecating language used in the film. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.242.119 (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC).

Bitch, Nigger, and Nigga discuss those words usages (whore doesn't). Perhaps you have never seen this video of a bank robbery with automatic weapons. It is possible, does occur, but Hollywood is generally prone to "dramatic" exaggeration. Rmhermen 19:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Some do, perhaps even the majority in the US. --Proficient 19:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, there are people who talk like that all the time, though I wouldn't say its the majority, at least around here, though maybe in some other places. I actually have black friends who abhor what the BET age has done to their peers. As for getting an AK-47/lots of ammo, while its of course possible to obtain one illegally, its definitely not as easy as just stopping by the local Gun Shop, you may be able to get a semi-automatic replica there with the right permits (California has fairly strict controls though, so I cant say for sure). There have, however, been cases of resourceful criminals wreaking havoc with them. Cyraan 19:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Swap out whore, insert Ho, and check out the recent Snoop Dogg single Vato, in which Nigger is repeated eight times in the chorus.Wolfgangus 19:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the LA African-American's represented in the film, I would suggest it is pretty realistic. Sociolects can be remarkably complex (see here for an example) and that one draws from many sources, including African American Vernacular English. Its also presuasive, consider the ubiquity of the word nigga (as opposed to nigger) in US culture these days. (Incidently, an extremely middle class African American friend of mine from LA always greets me with a "Whats up!", actually its usually "What up!", and he will often add an ironic "nigga" for good measure) I don't know where you are from in the UK, but expect you have been exposed to Geordies or Glaswegians speaking in in equally complex liguistic dialects. It would be incorrect to assume that all black males from LA speak like that of course (just as all white male Glaswegians do not speak like Rab C. Nesbitt), but some certainly do. I couldn't comment on the source of weaponry, but news reports like this would seem to suggest there are AK47s in the less touristy parts of southern California. Rockpocket 19:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, the language isn't limited to African Americans or urbanites. The Wigger is one example.Wolfgangus 20:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the story featured in Rmhermen's video reference is from the North Hollywood shootout. Frightening stuff, and hardly the norm.Wolfgangus 20:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't generalize about all black males in the United States. However, I think that the speech style you describe is common in some urban areas. This speech style would occur mainly in the urban districts where African Americans are concentrated and are the dominant ethnic group. These are not usually the neighborhoods that foreign tourists frequent. Also, many individuals who use this speech style with peers probably shift to a different, more standard speech style when they are interacting with non-peers, such as white employers or foreign tourists. (See Code-switching.) Re the previous comment, there are young white men who use this speech style, but, except for the few who grew up in an African American environment, I think that it is usually an affected attempt to be "cool". As for AK-47s, there are no doubt individuals in the US who have them, but they are not widely distributed. I'm not sure that black males are any more likely to possess such weapons than white males. Marco polo 20:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

True AK-47 are somewhat rare in the U.S. (as ownership of fully automatic weapons is highly restricted) Civilian "cousins" of the AK-47 are more common and can function in an almost automatic fashion with simple modifications. Other automatic weapons like the Mac-10 are also somewhat common. Rmhermen 20:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Bear in mind Boyz in the Hood is a 15-year-old movie. People don't fly Concordes anymore, but there's plenty of footage around suggesting they do. The World Trade Center doesn't exist any more, but there's plenty of footage suggesting it does. Vranak 23:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Also bear in mind that this film portrays one of the most troubled areas of the nation's second largest city. Writer/director John Singleton grew up in South Los Angeles and wrote the script to this film as his thesis project for the film program at the University of Southern California (which is located at the edge of this district), so it's reasonable to conclude that the dialog is authentic regarding certain members of some very specific neighborhoods. It's no more representative of African-American speech in general than to suppose that everyone in the UK speaks the same English as the queen. When I've heard the cruder parts of that dialect it was mostly from children in late childhood/early adolescence - I was an outsider so adults may have cleaned up their speech in front of me. I wouldn't recommend that experiment to the unwary: to paraphrase Humphrey Bogart from Casablanca There are certain sections of Los Angeles, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade. Some of the organized criminals in this neighborhood do own illegal assault rifles and occasionally use them. Durova 09:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Some do. Probably not a majority. -THB 23:21, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Half Life 2 Impulse 76

While playing through Half-Life 2, I tried to use hte impulse 76 command as I used it in the first one. This command should spawn an enemy soldier at the player's crosshairs. Indeed, when entered, the words "You must now restart to use Grunt-o-matic" appeared. However, when I reloaded the map and entered "impulse 76" again, the console told me that "Attempted to create unknown entity type NPC_human_grunt!" in red letters....and nothing happened. Has anyone managed to get it to work? 68.160.1.125 19:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Make sure you have the right command, if I recall the 'spawn' command is now used in Half-Life 2, but Http://www.gamefaqs.com should have a list of console commands if you search for 'half-life 2' Wintermut3 05:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

What do OP and OG stand for?

See header, I've seen such terms used across Wikimedia project discussions, and don't know what they mean. For an example of usage, see the ref desk talk page. 86.135.55.231 21:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

OP is "original poster". I don't know what OG means, except "Original Gangster". I have also used OQ on the ref desk, for "Original Questioner". User:Zoe|(talk) 21:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand your confusion. As Zoe said OP means Original Poster, which as far as I can see has been used more during the last two months than in the last two years. As for OG, I'm still with Zoe. Can you provide a link or two so that we could perhaps figure it out? If we can't then we could go back to the Original User to find out what OG means. --hydnjo talk 23:30, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

In England OG stands for Old Girl (of a school). OK this is no help, but it may be interestingpetitmichel86.216.251.99 15:10, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Postage stamps

In 'The Office,' the UK version, Ricky Gervais says that postage stamps are legal tender - I don't know if he meant generally or just in England. Is this true? Algebra man 22:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Look up Legal tender, and you'll see it isn't true. --Zeizmic 23:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

This is an old issue in the US also. In the 1950s and earlier, when amounts of money less than a dollar actually bought something, before checking accounts and metered postage were universal and long before credit cards and Fedex, advertisments in magazines, comics, and sometimes newspapers for small items would sometimes say something like, "Send 50 cents in coins or stamps". Everyone used stamps and so everyone needed them, and occasionally small mail order items could be paid for with stamps. Not in stores though, so not technically "legal tender". alteripse 23:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I've seen shareware developers ask for "stamps" rather than cash payment. However, this was in the 90's, and I know not whether they were asking to build up their stamp collection or the reasons above. --Wooty Woot? contribs 23:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a form of bartering to me. V-Man737 20:52, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

January 1

mexican communitites

I am doing a cultural diversity project in class and I was just wondering if someone could help me. My part of the project is to state where Mexican Americans live in Columbus, Ohio. I guess that means if there is a large population on east, west, north, etc. Thanks for your time.

One quick way is to look in the phone book for Mexican restaurants. Chances are, where you find most of the restaurants you will also find a concentration of Mexicans. Please note: Taco Bell neither qualifies as Mexican nor as a restaurant. StuRat 02:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you asking what would be meant by: "state where Mexican Americans live in Columbus, Ohio"? Indeed, one would expect them to live almost everywhere, but not everywhere in the same concentrations. If you knew the concentrations in various areas, you could make a color-coded map. Next to the culinary approach you can retrieve the data of the 2000 census from the U.S. Census Bureau's "American FactFinder". Unfortunately, it only has a category "Hispanic or Latino", which is not the same as "Mexican American".  --Lambiam 02:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't the simplest method be to ask a Mexican in Columbus, Ohio? -THB 23:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Cost of 9/11 Attack

I would like to know the approximate monatary cost to the US caused by the attacks of 9/11. This should include the direct cost to NEW YORK CITY as well as the loss of thousands of jobs and their income, the loss to airlines, ports, added security measures and I could go on and on. Thanks.75.108.158.9 01:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Fred Adkins

Total cost is very complicated. For example, if fewer people took airline flights after 9-11 that probably also means more people took trains, buses, etc., so shouldn't the increased sales there be taken into account ? Also, do you include the cost of the Afghan War, which was a direct consequence of 9-11 ? StuRat 02:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

You often read in the newspapers that something cost so-and-so much to the economy, but if you think about it it does not mean much. In this case, even people who just staid home did not spend the money on transportation, so unless it is still in their pockets, they spent it on something else, like food or clothes. In all cases the US did not lose it. In the end it is really only the direct cost to the community that counts: time and money spent on (for example) rebuilding the WTC that could have been spent on other things.  --Lambiam 02:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes - and it wasn't only the US economy that was affected. Speaking as a regular overseas traveller, I experience the consequential delays and increased security procedures in every worldwide airport I pass through, so the additional costs must have been, and continue to be, enormous. Though as Lambiam correctly points out, those costs have merely been diverted from other resources, always met in every case of course, by the end-users - you and I.

I think even indirect things can be considered costs — lost wages, for example, are not physically lost, but that does not mean that they have no meaning. --24.147.86.187 15:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

No-one claims they have no meaning, only that it is difficult or impossible to integrate them in a coherent and meaningful notion of total cost. Suppose Mr. Jones of Stillwater, Oklahoma, wanted the world-famous Quark quartet from Seattle to play at a function on September 2, 2001. Because no air traffic was possible, he had to hire the Quirk quintet from Tulsa instead. He paid them $1000 dollars. Can you say now that Mr. Jones had a cost of $1000 dollars, because he had to pay the Quirk quintet (which he would otherwise not have done), while the Quark quartet also had a cost of $1000 dollars because they lost the fee (which they would have received otherwise): a total cost of $2000? But Mr. Jones also saved $1000 dollars, because he did not have to pay the Quark quartet (which he would otherwise have done), while the Quirk quintet also had an extra income of $1000 dollars for performing (which they would not have got otherwise).  --Lambiam 18:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

nude vampire

Can you do a movie about a girl who becomes a vampire and she is naked with only cape?

Sure. Knock yourself out. Battle Ape 08:10, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

No, sorry. I don't do movies and neither does Misplaced Pages. --Nelson Ricardo 08:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Try taking a filming class to make your own. --Proficient 18:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

But try not to plagiarise Lifeforce.

Atlant 14:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Can Misplaced Pages sue me for copyright infringement

lets say i was to copy material on wikipedia word for word.Could wikipedia sue me for copyright infringement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clancy60 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

All articles on wikipedia can be copied and reused under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License. Cyraan 04:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Also alluded to in your Misplaced Pages Bill of Rights:

1. you have the right to fork (plagiarise shamelessly)
2. you have the right to leave

Vranak 05:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

It's still possible to plagiarize GNU licensed material by failing to credit the original source. Durova 08:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps -- but what exactly are the consequences of being caught plagiarising? Being expelled from your college or university association, I suppose. Whoop de doo. Vranak 08:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's always legal action by the Wikimedia Foundation, 'though I'm not suggesting it will, and to my knowledge never has, been taken. I guess if ethics don't get in your way there is nothing but the shame of being found out.—WAvegetarian•(talk) 10:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

As I understand it, neither Misplaced Pages nor the Wikimedia Foundation could sue you for copyright violation, because neither is the copyright holder. Copyright is still retained by the author(s) of the material, or to whomever the author(s) assigned copyright to. It is important to note that by contributing to Misplaced Pages you are not assigning copyright! By releasing your contribution under the GFDL (or any free license, I believe) you are not assigning or surrendering copyright. While Misplaced Pages/Wikimedia may not be able to sue you for copyright infringement, the original author(s) could, since they retain their copyrights. Of course, the Wikimedia Foundation could assist in pursuing a significant copyright violation, and would probably be highly motivated to do so.–RHolton≡– 14:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

RHolton's answer is the only one which is really on topic here. The issue is that the copyrights are still owned by the contributors, so any infringement suits would have to come from them. The WMF does not hold the copyrights. And yes you can easily infringe upon the copyrights of Misplaced Pages contributors — the GDFL is a copyright license, and if you don't follow the terms of the license you are liable to be infringing. --24.147.86.187 15:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Magic and Supernatural

Sometimes, we hear, read, or talk about the term magic, usually in stories, novels, and films, to describe some kind of power and ability. But at other times, we hear, read, or talk about the term supernatural. For example, we hear and religious believers claim that the power and abilities of God (and/or the Gods, angels, demons, spirits, or ghosts, etc) are supernatural, but not magical.

I don't understand. What is the difference, I mean the real difference, between "magic" and "supernatural". Is there really any difference, at all, between the two things and terms? And does the claim by religious believers that the power and abilities of God (or those other things) are supernatural, but not magical, really make belief in God (or those other things) more scientific, more logical, more likely to be true, less superstitious, and more credible, etc?The Anonymous One 05:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the only difference is that "magical" holds a more hokey, childish sound to it, where "supernatural" just seems more technical. I would argue that anything that is supposedly above the natural should be considered "magic", but that's just my opinion. Simple case of euphemism-overload. --Wooty Woot? contribs 06:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Magic is generally associated with the occult, spells etc. Supernatural (beyond-the-natural) is a broader term. BenC7 11:44, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that someone should say: "Hair-splitting semantics is best handled over at the Language reference desk" --Zeizmic 13:54, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Since people don't agree about whether either of these exist, it is unlikely that there would be universal agreement about whether they were the same thing or not! For some people they are both contrafactual nonsense; for some 'magic' is real but natural, so not 'supernatural'; for some they are more or less synonymous; for some they are both real, but different; and so on. --ColinFine 18:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

"Magic" often refers to a trick, that is, nothing supernatural at all, it only appears to be so. The sawing a woman in half trick, for example, has the woman fold up into one half of the box with a pair of fake legs hanging out the other end. Once you know this, there is clearly nothing supernatural going on, but only the appearance of such. Religions may get quite upset if you call their "miracles" magic, as this implies that they are just tricks. One particularly amusing story in Judeo-Christian mythology is how Moses supposedly created a bigger snake by a "miracle" which ate the smaller snake produced by one of the Pharaoh’s priests, presumably by "magic". This pretty clearly shows how anything unexplained by other religions is called a magic trick, while the same thing produced by your own is called a supernatural miracle. StuRat 18:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Supernatural means you are postulating that the phenomena cannot be explained within the natural world. Magic is not necessarily supernatural, even if we don't mean conjuring. Paracelsus, for example, believed in magic, but he thought it was a natural property of the world and could be studied as any natural phenomena. Similarly Newton's original postulation of an invisible force called "Gravity" was originally accused of being "occult", supernatural, though it was not "magical". The boundaries between the definitions have shifted considerably over time, is all I am saying. If it was thought that ghosts were actually part of the natural world, they would by definition not be supernatural, in the same sense that these mysterious entities called "quarks" that scientists now believe in are considered part of the natural world, despite the fact that you can't see or experience them directly. ;-) --24.147.86.187 02:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Invisible in no way means supernatural, or else we would have to accept that air is supernatural. StuRat 17:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Air isn't invisible, it is blue as it contains oxygen.Hidden secret 7 21:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The Misplaced Pages article on oxygen says: "Appearance: colorless (gas)". Is that wrong? Do you have a source for the gas being blue, so that we can correct this error in our encyclopedia?  --Lambiam 01:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Programming help request

I have recently obtained a TI 89 Titanium calculator and am wondering: is there is any logic to the numbering of the keys (for the getkey() command)? Please post your reply on my user page. Alphabetagamma 06:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC) By the way... In the 1985 Boise, Idaho, mayoral election, there were four write-in votes for Mr. Potato Head.

Nobody will want to post on your user page. We get wiki-points for witty answers! Once in a while I go over to the Computer ref. desk, and they deal with this sort of thing. --Zeizmic 13:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Alphabetagamma 22:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Odds are, the reslut of getkey() has something to do with the (electrical) geometry of the keyboard. The keys are arranged in a scan matrix of rows and columns (which may not follow the exact physical arrangement of rows and columns) and getkey-like functions typically return a value (a scancode) based on the row-and-column.

Atlant 15:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

the guide book for the TI-89 is here. the answer is on page 928. Jon513 18:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Can you give me a good name for this?

Image is of a bottle usually filled up with Aquavit or Danish Snaps. The Danish call it a Klukkeflaske, but haven`t got as far as to write about it yet. Article in Norw.Wiki is titled Klunkeflaske, both names referring to the sounds one gets out from pouring. But we are at a complete loss to what it may be named in English or other languages. I visit my homepage here at times, but prefer answers directly to my discussionpage in Norway. And all of you:Happy new Year!--Bjørn som tegner 11:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

The name I encounter most is cluck-cluck bottle (for example here), and most of the time Holmegaard is mentioned as the manufacturer.  --Lambiam 12:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for prompt answer. I then take it that this is a Nordic invention - since all three of the old Norwegian Glass-producers have had them in their inventory. Wonder who made the first one?--Bjørn som tegner 21:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

According to a book on the History of Transylvania, "clucking bottles" were made in the 17th century in the most famous of Transylvania's glassworks, at Porumbák. There is no hint of the origin, although there is a general mention of the influence on glassware of Italian, Czech, and Silesian models. The name in Hungarian is kotyogós üveg, and using that as a search term I found a picture on an auction site (look for item 164) that confirms this is the same type of bottle. So it is somewhat doubtful that this is a Nordic invention unless it can be established that they were produced earlier there than in Transylvania. But even then one might suspect a third, common origin.  --Lambiam 02:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Surrogate Court

My husband passed away not leaving a will. I was appointed temporary control of his small business two years ago pending the surrogate court decision on the business. The company is an "S" type and on the verge of bankrupcy. Am I responsible for any of the debt incurred by the business including taxes owing? The business is located in New York State. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.18 (talk) 15:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

We can give no answer here, as mentioned the first time you wrote this. --Zeizmic 16:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

.  --Lambiam 16:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do the various Misplaced Pages Reference Desk Contents Lists (in Blue) have different date ranges?

As per the above question. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.161 (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

The more popular the desk, the faster it grows to an unmanagable size and so the faster it will be archived. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Subatomic particles

What color are they? Яussiaп F 18:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

An object has colour if it reflects visible light with different intensities for different wavelengths. The range of "visible" wavelengths is about from 400 to 700 nm. An object only reflects waves if its size is much larger than the wavelength. Therefore, objects less than 1 µm in diameter have no colour; the concept does not apply. The diameter of the larger subatomic particles, protons and neutrons, is less than 2×10 m. Therefore they fall short of the required size for having a colour by a factor of more than 500000000.  --Lambiam 19:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

To confuse matters though, some particles such as quarks are said to have a special type of charge known as color charge this has nothing whatsoever to do with real colour. It's just a word they came up with :-( Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 19:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Subatomic particles having no color is quite interesting indeed. --Proficient 20:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I suspected as much. Thanks, Яussiaп F 20:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Subsidiary question: This suggests to me that atomic particles and molecules have no inherent colour either. They would still be too small?--Shantavira 09:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, except for macromolecules such as polystyrene. A red blood cell is just large enough to have a colour. Anything that can pass through a HEPA filter (including many bacteria) is not.  --Lambiam 14:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why you couldn't shoot photons of a range of frequencies at a single atom (practical difficulties of holding the atom steady and aiming aside). Some of those photons will be absorbed by the atom. The human eye can't see it but with suitable detectors you can make a statistical plot of what frequencies are absorbed and deduce what color a visible pile of the atoms/molecules would be. Weregerbil 11:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Would this predict the colour that a macroscopic ensemble of these atoms has? For example, the Na atom has absorption at the twin sodium D spectral lines in the yellow range. Are sodium atoms then blue? I think not; they emit "yellow" photons in the same amounts as they absorb. In metallic unoxidized form sodium has a colourless metallic appearance. While I'm unclear about the mechanisms behind surface colour, I think it is an emergent property of the ensemble, and not a property of the constituent atoms made intense by sheer number.  --Lambiam 15:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The question verges on the metaphysical. If you'll consider gamma rays a color of light, then you may well consider subatomic particles to be coloured as a gamma ray of sufficiently-short wavelength could interact with the particles. But if, by colour, you mean just the visible spectrum, then, no, sub-atomic particles have no colour.

Atlant 15:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Returning back to Weregerbil's issue, an interesting case is offered by nitrosyl chloride: as a gas it is yellow; as a liquid (below −6.4 °C) it is red.  --Lambiam 15:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The article on nanotechnology provides insights about how different materials have different properties at micro scales. V-Man737 21:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for a good question, Яussiaп F. I have to rethink the glib way in which I ascribe a color to an element or molecule. --Seejyb 00:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Globsl Warming quote

Is there a quote by Al Gore (either in his movie 'An Inconvenient Truth' or during his speeches) concerning the rate of the shrinking landmass of Antarctica? for example something like: "...Antartctica is shrinking at the rate of 10m per year..." -Al Gore. Thanks. Jamesino 20:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to make sure: you do understand that most of Antarctica has land under it, and that can't "shrink", right ? Only the ice shelves can be lost, like the Ross ice shelf. StuRat 20:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, something about the loss of ice of Antarctica. Jamesino 20:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

global warming is a legend, and it isn't really that bad.

How do you know Antarctica even exists, unless you have been there?

Psionics

Can a normal person do psionic activities even though he has no psi backgrounds or any psuedo-psi backgrounds?Im trying to say if anyone can do it with practice.Thanks

No, and there isn't even any good evidence that somebody with a "psi background" can do anything special. StuRat 20:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

If by "psionic" you mean telekinesis and telepathy, actually nobody in the world can. On the other hand, if you think being a grandmaster of chess, being able to memorize huge lists without repetition or performing lightning-fast mental calculations fits your definition for "psionic", then practice and method definitely IS your friend. --Taraborn 21:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Telekinesis is easy to learn, people just always assume they are going to find it even easier than it is. Try doing something that needs almost no effort to move, and work your way up from there.172.159.156.28 15:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: For the above method to work you should use some kind of hallucinogen drugs, which have extremelly negative effects on health. --Taraborn 09:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Warrants and Court orders

What is the difference between a court order and a warrant? Bill Silver

Our articles on court order and warrant (law) seems to answer your question. Rockpocket 22:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

January 2

Deletion

I have moved this question to the Misplaced Pages Help Desk and responded there. Rockpocket 08:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

environmental studies

please help me by defining the topic cement jungle related to environmental studies. define cement jungle.

points related to the topic are given below.

cement jungle building up due urbanization industrialization deforestation.

This sounds suspiciously like homework, I mean: "points related to the topic..." ??!! 惑乱 分からん 11:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, sounds like homework, so here is a hint rather than a full answer. You could start your research by looking at our articles on concrete jungle, urbanization, industrialisation and deforestation. Gandalf61 11:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Gandalf, for providing the original poster with some concrete answers. Hopefully, he'll be able to cement them together into a report for school. StuRat 12:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheppard Smith & The Fox Report Mugshots

I noticed at the end of each year on THE FOX REPORT, Sheppard Smith often presents mugshots of celebrities that circulated that internet, and he gives recaps on them. I know that a few years back, Sheppard Smith himself was arrested for battery and his mugshot circulated the internet. How did they deal with when they had the mugshots episode? Did they not mention his mugshot at all, or just quietly drop the mugshot feature for that year?

I can't confirm it because specific dates are not mentioned, but looking at Shepard Smith and Fox Report, it does not appear that Shep was the host of the program at the time of his arrest. It also appears that his arrest was incidental to covering the 2000 Florida vote recounts. --Measure 22:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

archived

Would some one please provide me with a link to the ref desk archived pages. thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.144.161.223 (talk) 13:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC).

It's actually at the top of the page. Here it is anyways. | AndonicO 13:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

From 2000 to 2010

We refer to the 1920s as the '20s. Is there an expression for the years from 2000-2010? The "Zeros"? Are the years 2010-2020 referred as the teens?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.194.22.39 (talk • contribs)

For the first part of your question, see 2000s.--Shantavira 15:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

For the second part, the article 2010s engages in some crystal-ball gazing.  --Lambiam 15:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

since we are approaching the end of the 2750s no, it isn't going to affect us for a while.

Who are "we"? Is that some Chinese calendar, or what? 惑乱 分からん 15:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The press in the UK like to call 2000-2009 the "noughties", which is a bit twee. I think we should call them the "aughts" like they did a hundred years ago. Nicknack009, 22:04, 3 January, year of aught-seven (UTC)

Tic Tac Toe

In Tic Tac Toe, why is a cats game called a cats game?

--24.39.182.101 15:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Good question, which I couldn't find a definitive answer to. Here are some thoughts and suggestions on the matter, though. --Maelwys 16:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Men/women telephone bills

What do men, compared to women, spend on average for their phone bills? 216.194.22.39 15:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that anybody has ever done a study on that, sorry. The study would be fairly meaningless anyway, since that varies so much by provider and area. And many people now offer flat rate service now, so somebody that uses a phone for 5 minutes a day could be paying the same as somebody that uses it for 5 hours a day. So basically it would be a combined question of which sex is a smarter shopper and spends more time looking for deals, as well as (possibly) which sex spends more time on the phone, and which sex talks to more people that live far away (to incur possible long distance charges). And when you combine that many criteria, the relevance of 1 sex over the other becomes pretty unimportant. --Maelwys 15:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that anybody has ever done a study on that, sorry.

I don't believe that for a minute! I'll bet any telephone service provider could tell you the exact answer, but probably won't. Atlant 16:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

That assumes they know the gender of the subscribers. And it ignores the fact that this may vary by provider.  --Lambiam 18:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Let me be more blunt: I'm not assuming that they got the answer by casually data mining their billing records. I'm sure this exact question has been explicitly researched by many carriers and they have used this data to "fine tune" their marketing efforts. Atlant 18:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The question is nevertheless ill-posed, taking no account of geography, for instance. Presumably the average expenditure by Indian females is not the same as of USian females. Even if there were easily available figures allowing such an average to be calculated, it would be somewhat meaningless. I suspect I hear an axe being ground somewhere in the background. --Tagishsimon (talk)

That point is well-taken. What is almost certainly known – for major carriers in developed nations – is the detailed breakdown of telephone users by age, sex, income, and geographic locale, along with their pattern of usage: time of day, total minutes, weekdays versus weekends versus holidays, etc. Presumably one could make a statement about usage by men versus women after you controlled for the other factors. As noted above, the telephone companies view these figures as competetive information that is very closely-held.

As to the amount spent, that's more difficult. You could take the usage figures and plug them into the known prices of various rate plans from different providers to get an estimate of what they might pay. Of course, if you're just arguing with your wife about who uses the phone more you're just going to have to put a stopwatch and a clipboard by the phone. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 20:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... I've read all the posts, and I'm still scratchin my noggin trying to figure out how (excluding cell phones) billing info could give telephone companies any reliable information about demographics. Most people do not live alone, and because home telephone service is billed to one individual householder, any data gleaned from the activity of the phone line in that person's name would be IMO hopelessly corrupted. Just a tiny for instance; for the first two years I lived with my ex BF, the phone was in my name, the last four in his. I've lived alone for two years, but my phone is still in his name. I wonder how useful our usage statistics are? It also discounts the demographic impact of the thousands of people (in North America at least) who run businesses out of their homes with residential phone lines. Surely a) business-related phone calls would factor differently in the original poster's question, because much business communication isn't voluntary, and b) employees and others using the residential line would, over time, skew the stats. Anchoress 21:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, to simplify my question, any available studies on how much time each gender spends on average speaking on the phone in the US?216.194.22.39 21:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Not the US but there's a lot of data on usage differences between men and women in the UK in 1998/99 here. This file claims that 89% of females and 83% of males have/had a mobile and that females use up all their minutes more often. Maybe you can combine all these with something like this and get some estimates of amount spent for whatever price structures the phone companies have where you live. JMiall 23:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, JMiall. Very helpful.216.194.22.39 03:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Wind in the Willows - not PC in 2007

As a child, many years ago, I played the judge at the trial of Toad after he had stolen a motor-car and driven dangerously and crashed it. I enjoyed my short acting career and the whole storyline immensely. And I have grown up to be a responsible, law-abiding citizen, notwithstanding the flagrant criminality portrayed by Toad, and others, in the book by Kenneth Grahame. But on reflection wasn't I the lucky one? My question? Having just watched a TV production of WitW with the animal and rodent roles played very well by humans; and having revisited the non-stop criminal actions therein, would WitW be considered today as suitable set-reading for young and impressionable children? I am thinking not only of Toad's car-thieving and dangerous and reckless driving, but also of his conspiracy with the gaoler's daughter and the bribery of the washerwoman to escape from Gaol. And also of his attempt to defraud the railway company by obtaining passage on a train (as a means of escape from lawful custody and arrest) minus a ticket. What about his attempt to fool the bargee into giving him a lift to Toad Hall by pretending to be a washerwoman; and his subsequent theft of her horse? And what of the housebreaking into Mole's burrow by the hedgehogs and the illegal occupation of Toad's Hall in his absence. The carrying of Guns and Clubs and their liberal use in expelling the squatters left me agape. And at the end, in the middle of a huge garden party, we see Toad lusting after his new ambition, an aeroplane. All this would seem to my 2007 senses to suggest to young innocents that they can do whatever they want, including breaking the law, escaping from gaol, and getting away with it. Should not such dangerous books be severely censured in future so that our civilisation is not imperilled by the criminal havoc that might otherwise result?

Translation for Americans: gaol = jail. StuRat 02:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It's possible to frame the same sorts of reservations about the most (seemingly) innocuous books - see the ugly truth about Peter Rabbit ..., for instance, and the ripostes at Murder among the cucumber frames, from recent editions of the Grauniad. I'll not conjecture on The Wind in the Willows, but note that our article lacks a summary of the plot: you seem like an excellent candidate for adding such a thing, if you would. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Wind in the Willows, to me, seems to be a commentary on the silly nature of people (and anthropomorphic amphibians) in general. At the time, the lawlessness you described was unheard of and foolish. The events in the story go to develop Toad's character as a silly, fun-loving creature who gets into trouble for his exploits. As for censuring the book, good luck. ^_^ V-Man737 21:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

What about Little Black Sambo? -THB 23:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Cute. Just, ...Cute. V-Man737 23:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wind in the Willows, in my estimation anyway, is the best children's book ever written. For true shock value you might try reading an unabridged version of Peter Pan. Clio the Muse 01:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The moral-educational value of those scenes of misdeeds and mayhem cannot be underestimated, especially in today's world. Besides the real threats of bullies and gangs (some of whom use weapons), children encounter situations in which friends, or they themselves, are tempted to misbehave, break rules and even laws. Acknowledging the fact and consequences of bad or criminal behavior is part of growing up, and literature in the home and the classroom can be a positive force for learning to cope with difficult circumstances. While children appreciate being told the truth, attempts to hide it from them may cause irreparable harm to their sense of trust in and respect for adults. -- Deborahjay 10:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

sandals in Christmas

During Christmas, I see ladies wear sandals to their friend's house in Canada when it is -18 degress Celsius. How come?

Some more information would be handy, such as the country in which this outrage took place. Why do you think it strange to see sandal wearing females? --Tagishsimon (talk)

Possibly for the same reason that well-off American teenagers would rather stand at the school bus stop freezing their anatomies off rather than wear a coat, especially if their parents suggested they wear said coat. Apparently, it's "un-cool" to wear seasonally-appropriate clothing. See The Fantasticks for more details of why the kids put beans in their ears.

Atlant 00:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Partly that, but also, in my opinion, the eagerness of growing numbers of people to embrace the Los Angeles styles modeled by their favorite celebrities. If the latest pop idol wears it at 25C in Los Angeles, his or her slavish fans will wear it at -25C in Winnipeg, no matter how uncomfortable it may be. Marco polo 02:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I hate wearing my coat, even in winter. I always feel far to hot with it on, and never seem too be too cold without it. But it never gets below freezing here, which might help. 172.159.156.28 15:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I've heard Geordies talking about how their women wear "Clingfilm overcoats" in winter, while parading around the "Toon" wearing their underwear as overwear in subzero conditions a polar bear might find unfriendly. Perhaps these women are wearing "clingfilm Galoshes". --Dweller 15:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

(FWIW, I understand children put beans in their noses, not their ears.) ;-) V-Man737 21:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

You'll just have to go see The Fantasticks (or buy the soundtrack album) ;-).

Atlant 02:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

See also this comic strip. --Anonymous, January 4, 2007, 23:22 (UTC).

alien

ive honestly just been abducted by a alien 3 hours ago, not much happened but i have scars, what should i do, really beinfg serious here, help

saw t in my room (could have been a dream) but i was suurew i was awake, blaced out a few hours just remember a beeping noise and pulsing and seeing scissors that were blurry, have scars ion back of neck

Go to a hospital or your nearest doctor. Get it all checked out. Skittle 21:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure it was an alien as opposed to a demon or ghost, or perhaps even malicious burglars? I wonder what must have happened for there to be scars on the back of your neck as opposed to new wounds? Do you think perhaps you've always had scars there and only recently noticed them? (I like Skittle's approach to the IANAD policy.) Also, when you get some time, I'd suggest you read our article on hypnagogia. V-Man737 22:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Your experience may have been caused by sleep paralysis: "In a typical sleep-paralysis episode, a person wakes up paralyzed, senses a presence in the room, feels fear or even terror, and may hear buzzing and humming noises or see strange lights. A visible or invisible entity may even sit on their chest, shaking, strangling, or prodding them." Skarioffszky 22:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Watch some X-Files. The truth is out there. -THB 23:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a classic case of daemons. Vranak

If they stitched you back up and your cuts have healed to the point where they're scars, then it seems like they know more about human healthcare than we do and you shouldn't worry about it --froth 03:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a list of support groups at alien abduction.--Shantavira 09:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I also sometimes have scars that I don't remember getting. Also cuts can heal so they are just scars in a few hours. What did it look like?172.159.156.28 15:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Type of gun?

What's the gun shown in this video around :58? 67.169.56.188 21:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks like some kind of AA gun --froth 21:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The sound reminds me most of the MG3. The Germans may have made dual-gun versions of its predecessor, the MG34 (and other versions) and mounted them like this for infantry AA. 81.93.102.185 21:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Edit: I am 78% sure that that is a dual MG3 mount. :) 81.93.102.185 21:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Second edit: I am actually MORE sure that it's an MG81 Zwilling (twin, dual). The MG34 article mentions this in particular, so there's your answer. The third, but as accurate as any I could provide. 81.93.102.185 21:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:RfA

Hi there,

Is it possible to delete my own Request for Adminship? I have someone that is willing to nominate me for the adminship, however, for some reason, I ended up nominating myself. Is there a way to revert this? --Smcafirst or Nick • Sign • Chit-Chat • I give at 23:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

This question should go on the RFA talkpage or the WP helpdesk page, but I believe you can remove your own nomination. Anchoress 23:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone with a sig like that does not deserve to be an admin. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I wouldn't go that far, but you really should tone it down. It's beyond distracting. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone who thinks that a sig like that should keep someone from being an admin does not deserve to be an admin. :-P V-Man737 23:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Try asking at the help desk. Also, just to point it out, you deleted Anchoress's comment when you changed your sig (I've put it back). –The Great Llama 23:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Part of being an admin is about judgement. As I noted when opposing Smcafirst's nomination, the sig indicates to me that he/she shows more enthusiasm than sense. Your cues may vary. --Tagishsimon (talk)

LOL! I didn't know what you meant at first, then I realized that Smcafirst had changed his/her signature. I thought you were overreacting. ^_^ V-Man737 00:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

January 3

America vs China

I want a no bias answer here. Who would have a better chance if America and China were to start a war aginst each other? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.58.48.104 (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

I think in an all-out war both wouldn't stand a chance; this would be a total lose–lose situation.  --Lambiam 09:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, in most aspects a big loss for both nations. There's a saying, don't fight a ground war in China. The outcome of any war depends on the situation, where forces are placed, et cetera. China may endure more losses than the Americans, but a war isn't simply soldier versus soldier - it's government versus government. The answer can't easily be answered. 81.93.102.185 11:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's in the interests of either country to go to war in this century (unless there's a drastic change). If they were to fight, it would depend on more factors than just armies. Hypothetically, anything could happen. | AndonicO 12:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It depends on the kind of war. The US could nuke all of China many times over, but China would be able to hit quite a few prominent American targets. It wouldn't be worth it for either. --24.147.86.187 14:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

No. cities in China > No. US nukes Vranak 14:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Given that the US has about 6000 active nukes, I don't think that inequality really matters. — Lomn 15:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's a full out nuclear war as you say, it wouldn't be worth it for anyone on Earth. That's how a nuclear winter would start, as well as all the other nuclear hypothesises (did I spell that right?). | AndonicO 14:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It could be Hypothesies, or Hypotheses

Ok, thanks. | AndonicO 15:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Err, I've never seen the plural of hypothesis as hypothesies. It's hypotheses only. (Hint: Think thesis > theses, not thesies). JackofOz 22:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think a key point for any scale of warfare, assuming the two countries match each other (that is, if A uses nukes, B uses nukes too, for example) is power projection. China has a much larger army than the US, but has no way to get that army to the US. The US has better potential to inflict damage either by conventional or nuclear means, but no way to ultimately win a ground war. — Lomn 15:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The most likely way this would happen is if China invades Taiwan, which is under US protection. China could invade, assuming their would be nothing more than temporary sanctions against it as a result. The US could then counter-attack, possibly limiting the offensive to Taiwan and surrounding waters, assuming China could not use it's army and wouldn't use nuclear weapons. A limited war might result. I don't see it going nuclear, as that would be in neither country's interest. StuRat 17:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Usa and China could not have a large-scale war between themselves. The major nations of the world would all take sides (which side would depend on the circumstances) and thus it would descend into another world war. I would expect America (and it's allies) to edge out China (and their allies) because of technology and also because in the current climate America would (in my opinion) be more likely to have the stronger allies. ny156uk

The US would have no reason to enlarge the war beyond Taiwan. China might then try to use it's large army to invade it's neighbors, but, as you've pointed out, that would be a losing strategy, leading to global opposition, so I don't see that as likely either. StuRat 22:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Counting out all other countries if it was China vs the US, I wouldn't be surprised if the US just parked their boats offshore and bombed China into oblivion. --froth 04:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Assuming the war does not go nuclear, it would be a losing draw on both sides. The US doesn't have the manpower to invade China, while China doesn't have the naval capability to invade the US. The most likely outcome would be a naval blockade of Chinese harbors, with occasional attempts by either side to alter the status quo, causing casualties but with no real change. --Carnildo 07:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This sounds like the war between the 'western world' and the middle east, which has lasted for 5000 years so far, and doesn't seem likely to end any time soon.Hidden secret 7 21:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

No biased answers? I'm in Australia and if that was broke out, I would fight for China, but only because the cuisine is so much better ;) Vespine 02:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

football

Why is a football players running statistic referred as rushing?

Does this refer to football (soccer) or american football? 惑乱 分からん 12:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Presume the reference is to Rush (American football)--Melburnian 13:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

That's actually a really good question. I'm not sure the average football fan would be able to answer. --Maxamegalon2000 21:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I've always heard that but never looked it up (what rushing means). --Proficient 04:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

As an Englishman living in France may I tell you what my American dictionary says ? "to advance the ball by running with it." So it does not apply to soccer, and I have never heard it used in rugby.-DaviddeleMidi90.27.172.42 15:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

spontaneous juggling

Is it possible to be able to juggle without ever having tried to before? Could I have learnt all the necesarry skills from other activities? Or could I be remembering learning to juggle in the future, or something wierd like that? Also why is it that I have no idea how to juggle, it just happens when I want it to. (Does this need a question mark at the end?)172.159.156.28 15:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Juggling is just co-ordinated throwing & catching. And yes, it is possible that you're dexterous enough to be able to do it with little or no practice. --Tagishsimon (talk)

"Also why is it that I have no idea how to juggle, it just happens when I want it to. (Does this need a question mark at the end?)" Grammatically speaking, that's a complex-compound sentence. It would be in the form of a question, but the clarifying information that sounds more like a statement would be entombed in parentheses: "Also, why is it that, although I have no idea how to juggle, it just happens (when I want it to)?" V-Man737 22:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I have had an interest in juggling for a while now and have taught several people to juggle three objects. From what I have seen, anyone can learn to juggle three objects, unless they actually have a disability, even seemingly uncoordinated people can juggle three things also there are people who have never juggled before who pick it up very easily. There is a general school of thought that because three objects are really easy to juggle, you can only really call yourself a juggler once you can juggle five objects, i'm up to four and can flash five. so I'm not a juggler yet.Vespine 22:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I can only juggle two, but have only been trying for a few weeks. Three doesn't seem that easy to me.172.189.77.244 18:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I am now trying to learn to juggle with my eyes closed instead. It isn't too difficult as long as the balls don't go too high. I think it might be useful later if I can learn exactly what I am doing without being able to see it.172.189.77.244 19:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Something that helps a lot of people is that juggling is about 90% throwing and 10% catching. Most people starting out think it's about 50/50 but catching actually has very little do with juggling, if you throw well the catching is easy if not automatic, if you throw bad doesn't matter how well you catch. Keeping that in mind, get three balls and stand with your legs against a table so that if you drop a ball you don't have to bend down to pick it up, or kneel in front of your bed if you can. Hold one ball in your right hand and ONLY throw it to where your left hand would be, imagine an imaginary box in front of you, throw the ball to the top of the box, then completely ignore it after you've thrown it and let it drop, don't even try to catch it, THIS is what is important, do that for five minutes and swap hands, DON'T CATCH! Just practice the throwing. After five minutes in each hand, put your left hand out and throw with your right hand, if the ball goes ANYWHERE except for almost directly to your left hand DON'T CATCH IT! Only if the ball practically lands in your hand should you catch it. Once you can throw the ball with your right and left hand, the next step is to throw the right ball and before it lands, throw the left ball but again DO NOT CATCH! It's surprising how hard that actually is, you have to force your self to throw, when I started, i did this alone and actually as silly as it sounds, if you call out " THROW (short pause) THROW!" it actually helps a LOT! At first ONLY concentrate on the throwing, all you are doing is throwing one after the other, once you get ok with that, you can try catching, but TRYING to catch the balls before you are any good at throwing them is actually counter productive. Try it and you'll see:) Good luck!Vespine 02:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

'Borebkole' in the Colcannon article

I want a no bias answer here. Who would have a better chance if England and Ireland were to start a fry-up war aginst each other ?

No, but seriously.

OK: in the article Colcannon, an anonymous editor ("207.104.148.124" - no talk page) added something about "borebkole".
Googling "borebkole" yields nothing at all, 'cept the original article, and a "Did you mean: "boerboel?" (those being mid-sized, short haired puppy-doggies -cute!)...
My opinion is that the link should be to 'boerenkool' ("farmer kale(?)"), an non-compulsory ingredient in "Stamppots".
What do you think?
Appreciate all your help about this.

--Shirt58 15:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree to that. The Dutch dish Boerenkool is made from potatoes and kale, mashed together with milk, butter, salt, and pepper. Here is a nice article. I think the anonymous editor tried to write boerenkool. Pieter-Bas 15:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I've made the change. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Yes, but what if I was crumbling some of those those yummy speculaas cookies into vanilla ice-cream at the time... and I was wearing a mask? --Shirt58 17:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

To Study

I am very interested in various religions, theology, especially the old testament, and the forgotten books such as The book of Enoch, and the various testaments. I wish to study something in this line. But What? And what employment oppertunities would there be in these fields? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.144.161.223 (talk) 16:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Not to insult your intelligence, but Christian ministry seems an obvious one. Just remember that the Book of Enoch isn't part of the Bible (as I know it, anyway). It's in the Apochrypha (spelt wrongly, but something like it). There's going to be numerous books on theology you could get, like Bible commentaries, etc.martianlostinspace 17:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I beg to disagree. The field of study is religous studies, in which one can earn both undergraduate and graduate degrees. Even a highly academic training for the ministry would include at most a single course on the apocrypha, and none at all on the non-canonical books. But if he/she majors in religious studies, he can learn all the ancient languages and read all the books he wants with academic credit for it, and no expectation that he will become a minister. alteripse 04:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

And please sign, by the way.martianlostinspace 17:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Apocrypha. Jon513 17:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Enoch isn't part of the capital-A apochrypha either (which usually means those books used by the Catholics or Eastern Orthodox but not held to be part of the Protestant Bible). Enoch is only in the Bible of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Rmhermen 18:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you mean "Enoch isn't part of the capital-A apochrypha as defined by the people I heard talk about this". "The Apocrypha" means different things to different people from different denominations. Catholics, for example, do not generally use the term "apocrypha" to refer to the books in Catholic Bibles but not in Protestant Bibles, but they do use the term. Skittle 19:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The term "Deuterocanonical books" is used by the churches which accept those books which Protestant generally label "Apocrypha". I am not aware of Catholics using the term "Apocrypha", as opposed to "apocrypha". The capitalized version is an established set, while the uncapitalized is a general class. Protestant and Catholics alike would consider a number of ancient works to be aporyphal which are not considered part of the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical books. Rmhermen 21:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

For that part of this discussion, y'all oughtta try apocrypha. V-Man737 22:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Edit: Open mouth, insert foot: I see John513 already pointed there. ^_^

Dogs

I recently saw a dog in south africa, i was told it was a Boerboel, but now looking at the article, it does not look like the dog in the picture. This one was much larger, and had the clouring of a doberman but was much bigger and alot heavier built. I cant stress how big it was. It appeared to me to be a Doberman/St. Bernard/Boerboel. Can you tell me what kind of dog it was please? I really want one, it made my Alsatian cower, poor thing.

Could it have been a rottweiler, which are often built heavier than dobermans, but don't tend to be taller. They are popular is Suth African too. Perhaps it was a cross with a larger breed. Rockpocket 19:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It might have been a Rhodesian Ridgeback, a wonderful gigantic sandy-coloured breed with an over-sized labradorian face and a ridge of hard hair running from the nape of its neck towards its shoulders, which when the dog is roused into hunting action (including Lions, of which it displays no fear), lifts vertically like a cockscomb. An enormous, loveable and loving dog, but one that needs equally enormous amounts of rough walking and exercise. Sorry if this is the wrong dog, but get one anyway. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.240.154 (talk) 20:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Thats a good point, our article has images. Rockpocket 21:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Dogs again

What does one call the breed of dog that looks just like a pit bull, but its snout comes to a point rather than being stubby as seen on the dog in the article Pit Bull. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xnton (talk • contribs) 17:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

The Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull Terrier articles have pictures which may help you. --Seejyb 01:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

For Profit Colleges & Universities

Helloe out there, I need a listing of all for-profit colleges and universities in the United States. I tried to use the list you have on your site, but it contains all colleges & universities - I just need the for-profit schools. Is there any such listing out there? Thank you to who ever can help me! Lynn"""" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lrappa (talk • contribs) 17:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

I'd start by looking at a list of private schools. Any of the state universities are going to be non-profit, of course. --Measure 18:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks like we have a category: For-profit colleges and universities. That should do it for you. --Maxamegalon2000 21:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you want only accredited schools, or also non-accredited ones? --Carnildo 07:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

New Years' Song

What's the name of the song everyone sings during New Year? It was featured on the Charlie Brown movie and can be heard here. Thanks. --24.76.228.161 18:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

That is Auld Lang Syne, it also features in When Harry Met Sally. I think it is a traditional song so not sure if there is a listed artist but the wikipedia article will no doubt clarify further. ny156uk 18:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Scars

How come I see scars on my body, most often resembling clawing by some hand-sized phenomenon? I assure you my own nails could do nothing of this sort in my sleep, but I do not have a picture right now. They show up on my arms or places on my torso, even on the way back. Some places are out of reach from my own hands unless I did it in a VERY peculiar way... The scars are only light, red in colour, and fade after fewer than five days. 81.93.102.185 19:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC) And yes, there are a lot of phoney questions asked here, but this isn't one. I am genuinely interested in knowing what this can be, and if other people experience this as frequently as I do.

Could they be Stretch marks? These seem to fit the description pretty well (they start out red, and then gradually fade), and are generally caused by rapid growth, exercise or pregnancy, forming often on the abdomen, torso or upper arm. Would this fit the bill? Laïka 19:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

They can also form from rapid weight gain. StuRat 21:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

A picture of an early "scar", and one when it has almost healed might get you an answer as to what more or less looks like that. --Seejyb 01:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

They are not scars if they fade and disappear. Scars are not made of normal skin, and the color may fade, but the skin is always of different quality forever after to a close look. alteripse 04:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

(I'm the OP on another IP) Okay, so they don't fit the bill for scars - nor stretchmarks. They are very red, are most often three or four parallell lines (lightly curved like a roadcurve would), and are coherent. By coherent I mean that they do not fit the stuttering looks of stretchmarks. :) I don't have a picture of them since I haven't experienced these lately. When I DO get them, I'll be sure to take a photo. 213.161.190.228 10:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Upon the next outbreak, I would recommend seeing a dermatologist. The description sounds similar to Herpes zoster, commonly known as shingles. The virus responsible grows in nerve cells and is transmitted to the skin near those nerves. Outbreaks are common in the areas you mentioned, and the article says that the rash and pain commonly subside within 3 to 5 days. Still, it could be something else entirely. A dermatologist is much more likely to be able to properly identify the cause than we are, even with a photo. SWAdair | Talk 10:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes I get scars like this, but usually only one at a time. They are often dark orange and made of lots of little spots in a line. I don't get them as much now, and never seem to notice them happening, until I see them later.172.189.77.244 18:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I got blood red marks like you describe, under my skin when I did weight training. I was told not to worry, and they disappeared after a few days. 82.0.70.16 02:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

ALL HAIRSTYLES

I'm looking for EVERY and ANY hairstyle that may exist. The names and the description on what they look like. And if possible, pictures would be very very great, if not possible, then I'll have to settle without. :D

You guys able to link me to any kind of page like this ??? I certainly am NOT able to find any myself.

Krikkert7 19:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Krikkert

HERE'S A START. Not only the pics, but the sites (like hairstyles.org) that they are hosted on. Anchoress 19:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Why aren't you named "Google Queen?" V-Man737 22:15, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The list given at hairstyle is pretty comprehensive.--Shantavira 09:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Banco UNO S.A. located in Managua, Nicaragua

I am trying to find the complete address including postal code for this bank. Can anyone help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.14.243.164 (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Per http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/product-compint-0001276671-page.html : Banco Uno S.A. International Private company. Rotonda El Guegueense 20 vrs al Oeste, Managua , Nicaragua. Tel 505 254 4848, Fax 505 266 8796. http://www.bancouno.com.ni --Seejyb 01:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

investing donations

When we have more money than we can spend in the same amount of time as the period offered for a CD with virtually any interest rate we buy the CD (from a reputable bank of course) as a hedge against inflation. We use a savings account if the period is shorter even if the interest is much lower. In this way we are able to hedge against losses due to inflation. If we did not do this we would loose nearly $40,000 on the value of a million dollars in just one year. What does the Misplaced Pages do with the money it can not spend within an allocated period of time? 71.100.10.48 19:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it will completely answer your questions, but you can take a look at Misplaced Pages's Financial Statements here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/2/28/Wikimedia_2006_fs.pdf --Measure 20:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The Correct Way to Exercise

I am looking to improve my physical fitness/strength over the next few months. In order to do this, I have decided to do sit-ups, pushups, lifting weights with one arm moving only the forearm (sorry I don't know the proper name) and holding weights in hands in a sort of crucifix position for as long as possible. I am also looking at doing some cycling on my Dad's exercise bike. Is this a good set of exercises? If so, can someone please tell me what the correct way to do a pushup is? I've looked ll over the Internet, but everywhere seems to conflict with everywhere else. I used to be able to do them relatively easily, but now I get a pain in my shoulders after doing just one. I am sure I am doing them wrong, but don't know how. Then again, I have got quite a few aches today... Can anyone point me in the right direction please? (I've read the article, but that doesn't help much, but I'm still looking into it). By the way, I'm 14 and male. --80.229.152.246 20:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem here is that there is just about NO single correct way to do any exercise and a lot of people with an opinion think they are experts. I think the dumbbell move you are thinking of is called a dumbbell curl. The exercises you have picked are quite good really, if you wanted an opinion, try to find somewhere to do chin ups and also do some Squat (exercise), those two moves possibly exercise the biggest groups of muscles. Because of your age I would strongly advise you don't do very heavy squats and remember that technique is much more important then how much weight or how many reps you do. Also, I wouldn't exercise more then 3 to 4 times a week, if you really want to, just go for a jog on alternating days and also if do stretching on the days you are not exercising you won't get as sore for days after. Vespine 21:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking at our article on Physical exercise, I think you might find it interesting. One thing to remember, from our article, "One caveat is that heavy weight training in adolescents can damage the epiphyseal plate of long bones", so keep your weights relatively light until you're more developed. The exercise bike should improve your overall aerobic fitness as it is an aerobic exercise. Sit-ups and push-ups are fairly good for improving muscle strength in specific muscles. What you might want to do is get an exercise video/DVD of some sort to give you an idea of some more exercises, and to help you work out a variety of muscles. A good video/DVD will also show you what the exercises should look like, helping you to avoid doing them wrong. An optimal solution, in my opinion, would be to visit a gym and get some tips from an instructor there, but that might be expensive. Skittle 21:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Skittle, that's a good idea. In my city, community centres with weight rooms do that kind of thing for free (to members). Anchoress 20:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips guys. I'm not sure I can find anywhere to do chin ups, but I'll have a look. I don't think I'll bother that much with the dumbell curl, I wasn't going to do it much anyway. Thanks again for your pointers. --80.229.152.246 21:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I just recently started doing stairs (actual stairs), and I was and am amazed at how much it has strengthened my quadriceps and the muscles around my knees. Anchoress 22:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm perfectly happy to let my muscles waste away... Vitriol 01:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Amen brother --froth 04:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I anchored a thick dowel across my doorway and did one chin-up every time I went through the door -- at least, until I got tall enough to hit my head against the top of the doorframe. --Carnildo 07:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You should add some exercises for your back, to balance the exercises you are doing for your stomach. Back extensions (lying on your stomach, elbows out, hands under chin, then elevating and lowering the upper half of your body) are fairly easy to do and require no equipment. BenC7 08:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I would also rather have smaller muscles. It sounds like an easy way to lose weight.172.189.77.244 20:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, more muscle mass makes it easier to lose weight (fat), because they (the muscles) require more energy to use and maintain. Losing muscle mass is not a weight loss solution. BenC7 00:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Chuff chuff (train weight)

What did the old steam railway engines weigh in comparison to the modern deisel or electric engines. And have the tracks been changed in any way to account for this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.109.93.42 (talk) 21:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Well, with the weight, a quick Google brings up this stat page about a 1944 steam locomotive, while this one has a range of locomotive types and weights listed. For diesel locomotives, we have this page with lots of stats available. I can't find anything on the way tracks have changed over the years, but our page at Rail track might be of use to you. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) 21:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

The mass of loco+tender is pretty similar in general to the diesels which replaced them - for a BR britannia class ~130-140 ton, cf ~100 to 120 ton for a type 5 diesel. The steam loco of course has more wheels so the load is spread more.

Using common sense it's clear that the diesels built to replace the steam locos would be built to the same loading gauge/track force - since they were intended to simply replace them (no track improvements then). I can't think of any changes needed for diesels in terms of the track - though over time rail strength (width) has to be increase to cope with faster trains - that's not specific to the diesel/steam crossover though. More train questions please.87.102.19.50 02:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

A few points. First, the weight of steam locomotives increased greatly over the 100+ years of the steam era, and this process went farther in North America than in Britain. British express passenger locomotives of the 1930s were generally 4-6-0's or 4-6-2's and weighed around 180 short tons. The class K4 4-6-2 on the Pennsylvania Railroad weighed 234 short tons, but many North American railroads used 4-6-4's, 4-8-4's, etc.; the Class T1 4-8-4 on the Reading Railroad weighed 405 short tons. Not that all engines were this heavy, but some were. Some western lines used Mallet articulated locomotives, up to the Union Pacific Big Boys, which were 4-8-8-4's weighing about 600 short tons including the tender.

Part of the reason this growth was possible was precisely that these big engines had more wheels to spread out their weight. However, using a large number of coupled driving wheels means that the loco has a long rigid wheelbase and puts heavy sideways stresses on sharp curves, or can't take them at all.

In steam days most railways preferred to operate each train with as few locomotives as possible, because each extra loco meant an extra crew as well as extra maintenance; hence the preference for building large engines. But since they also had to operate smaller trains, they would have smaller locomotives as well. The transition to diesel engines also meant that multiple-unit train control could be applied, i.e. one person can drive a whole group of locomotives. So one or two big steam engines would be replaced by three or four or six diesels, but one small steam engine might be replaced by one of the same diesels. This has happened more in North America where trains have tended to be larger and heavier: in Britain they were more likely to replace one steam with one diesel locomotive, as in Tony Fox's numbers.

--Anonymous, January 4, 2007, 07:05 (UTC).

Need help about public domain and U.S. government agency

There is a photo of a natural gas processing plant (that I want to upload for use on WP) which is available at A Department of Transportation (DOT) website. The photo is part of an article by the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) within the DOT. The website includes this statement: Information presented on this web site is considered public information and may be distributed or copied. Is it okay for me to upload this photo and select "Work of a US Government Agency" option from the licensing list? - mbeychok 21:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks that way, from this page - the DOT tag is on the list there. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

information about my grandfather

i`m trying to find out information about my grandfather who served in the royal horse artillery during the second world war (ww2). his name is james edward murphy his address then was 53 tudor street/road cardiff his date of birth is 21/06/1909

if anyone knows or has information so that i can do a search about him,because the family wants to know where he was during the second world war and what who his regiment was.thank you

You are in the area of genealogy. A search on Google for genealogy military records uk produces a lot of compilations of links to search sites that you could look through: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=genealogy+military+records+uk&spell=1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.1.80.33 (talk) 01:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Try for example www.findmypast.com findmypast dot com. You could alternatively pay a genealogist to find out what they could, even though your granfather is happily still alive. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.1.80.33 (talk) 01:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

You could also try contacting the Imperial War Museum in London and asking the advice of an archivist. --Dweller 14:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There's also the National Archives website here which has a lot of material on military history. In the case of WWII soldiers it appears that you need to contact the Veterans Agency - see this webpage. --Richardrj 14:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

hairstyle

i was sent here from humanities for guys if hair is gelled and spiked are teh sides usually cut short —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 162.83.255.135 (talk) 22:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

depends on whether you want to look like Ken Dodd or not ! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.109.93.42 (talk) 22:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Was the last time I checked.martianlostinspace 14:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

and science

darth vader

How come darth vader cant do force lightning? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.102.217.142 (talk) 22:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

I'm pretty sure he can, but in my opinion he chooses not to. He grabs their throats instead. I bet it saves on the energy bill! V-Man737 22:33, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What happens when Darth picks up Palpatine?... fried electrical circuits. Vranak 22:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Quite ironic, I was just working on this article: see Force lightning! --Wooty Woot? contribs

thank you

Psiball

If I make a psi ball can I make it do absolutly ANYTHING i want?And is it true that I can use them to hurt people(i won't lol)and use it to give of a strong aura so I can stay out of trouble?Thankz —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.27.205 (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Can you maybe describe for us what a psiball is? I'm guessing its a ball of some kind. I also don't know what an aura is. To me your question makes no sense.--Taida 22:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Psi balls and auras are in a field of paranormal research. I don't know anything else about them... V-Man737 22:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Whenever they have been explained to me by people who believed in them, they have sounded very like the effect you get if you try to press outwards to seperate your hands while someone presses them together for a minute. When they stop, as long as you move slowly and carefully, it feels like there's something between your hands, keeping them apart. All the methods I've heard to achieve 'psiballs' sound like they would have this effect, and all the first-hand accounts I've heard of what people have actually managed to achieve sound very like this. Skittle 22:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ooh! That sounds similar to something I've done. Press your hands together as hard as you can, and rub them together really fast. Do this for about 20 seconds, and then hold them apart like you're holding a basketball. It feels cool! V-Man737 22:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

What was so cool about that? I must've done it wrong. There is also the very old, very much working method of putting your hands in your pants' pockets, forcing them out to the sides (not leaving the pockets) by all the force you can, for some twenty-thirty seconds. Then take the hands out of the pockets, and flyyyyyyyy! :D 213.161.190.228 10:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

All of which are simply mean tricks we play on our Proprioception senses. The idea that any of this has anything to do with PSI is, err, balls. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Well yes, but we were all too polite to say that. Skittle 20:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

footballs &c have internal air pressure measured in psi. Does this count?

Five points to Gryffindor for the puns. Mister Potter, you may thank Tagishsimon and our IP address friend for their efforts on your behalf later. V-Man737 20:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

???172.189.77.244 21:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Ignoring any skepticism - when considering what you can do with a psi-ball you have to consider karma, (you are responsible for what you do).

Yes a Psi-ball can help keep you out of trouble.

As for any other powers of a psi-ball I don't know - personally I doubt it can do 'anything'.87.102.8.102 21:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC) Looking at psionics#constructs "According to some psionic practices, constructs are masses of dense psionic energy that have been formed into a specific shape and given a specific task to perform" - in the case of a psi-ball it's primary task is to be spherical. Programming it to do more may be difficult - especially if the action you wish it do do affects other things - since this may deform it's spherical nature. Hope that helps.87.102.23.224 21:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't that be 'I doubt it can 'do' anything.'Hidden secret 7 21:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I meant 'i doubt it can do "everything"'...87.102.23.224 21:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Telekinesis is easier and more practical. At least it almost makes sense, even if noone has proved it works yet.Hidden secret 7 21:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

My psiball could beat up your psiball. :-P V-Man737 21:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't Son Goku destroy his enemies using those Psi Balls? --Taraborn 09:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

January 4

Baby Teeth vs. Permanent Teeth

How can you tell the difference between Baby and Permenant teeth? - A MoM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.154.167.139 (talk) 00:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

No idea. Our article on baby teeth is at Deciduous teeth, fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Presumably a child's tooth would be much smaller than an adult's tooth --froth 01:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It's actually not that hard after you have looked in a few mouths. When looking in the mouth of an older child, the secondary incisors have serrated edges and the baby teeth do not. The baby teeth include 2 molars in each quadrant but they are noticeably smaller than the newer secondary molars. alteripse 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The size diff is quite dramatic. It's easy to tell based on the size. StuRat 06:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Which ones are secondary incisors?

I'm guessing Maxillary lateral incisor and Mandibular lateral incisor, since these are distal from the midline of the jaw; rather than the Maxillary central incisor and the Mandibular central incisor. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Joker meanings

What is the description of a news reporter's joker?

Your question is incomprehensible to me. Can you explain what you mean? JackofOz 03:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to have my user name removed?

Is it possible to have my user page deleted? --GMS508 02:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Probably better to ask on the help desk. WP:HD BenC7 03:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about deleting your user page but to answer your first question no it is not possible to have your user name deleted as it would violate terms of the GFDL. See m:Right to vanish. --froth 04:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You can have your user page deleted - can't remember how.. This will leave your user name 'red' - however your user name will obviously still appear in edits - as it does above.87.102.23.89 04:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Asking for a 'Delete article' for your page should do it.87.102.23.89 04:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems one can have their name and account banned and blocked and protected indefinitely, which seems to be an effective (permanent) deletion... V-Man737 07:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

see Misplaced Pages:User page#How do I delete my user and user talk pages?. Jon513 16:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

O.K. corral

Why was the O.K. corral called the O.K? does anyone know what the OK stands for? Thanks - from a curious girl

We had this question (and answer) before. Anchoress 03:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL! From now on I am naming all of my sources "sauce." V-Man737 07:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

An interesting sidenote: "sauce plz" is a very common way to ask for sources in certain places on the Internet. --Wooty Woot? contribs 08:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Sometime, in the future, they'll have an argument on the tenth-generation Misplaced Pages why the hell we suddenly changed source for sauce. 213.161.190.228 10:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think Cleopatra was known to her intimates as "The Sauce of the Nile".  :) JackofOz 20:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Oho, you're a saucy boy! V-Man737 20:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

What's a wiki?

why do they call this wikipedia? what's a Wiki?

The articles on wikipedia and wiki have what you are looking for. Vespine 03:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Quote I can't quite remember

There is a quote I'm trying to remember but it's just out of reach. I have done some google searches, but I must not be close enough to the original quote to bring up any relevant hits. From what I remember, it goes something like "Someone who has all friends, actually has no friends at all." or something like that. I would appreciate it if someone could help me find the original quote. Thanks for the help. --71.117.43.72 04:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a saying: He who seeks friends without faults will have no friends at all. Since it's a proverb, there's no original wording, so feel free to modify to your own taste. There's also a quote attributed to Doris Lessing based on that proverb: "Trust no friend without faults, and love a woman, but no angel."--Rallette 07:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

THere is something wrong with that last quote. Surely most people loving a woman would be men.172.189.77.244 19:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikimedia Funding

Does anyone know how the wikimedia foundation manages to stay afloat? I don't imagine they get many donations except during fundraising drives like the one right now, and this drive will cap at 1.5 million. This page says that right now WP costs 75,000 per month to operate, but they plan to buy 1.7 million dollars of hardware next year. They're looking to increase their bandwidth bill tenfold and their payroll threefold, and sponsor an additional 300,000 dollars in events.. how can they afford all of this?! --froth 04:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

They must get a considerable amount of donations year-round; otherwise... the end of the wiki. | AndonicO 13:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a forward looking & aspirational budget. Based on the Christmas donation-fest, the foundation will not have sufficient funds to carry through its plans. As I understand it, the foundation has raised $850k in the last few weeks, and had about $500k in the bank. It'll have to do any of three things: pare back its aspirations; get the donation can out more regularly; or try to shake down some more servers from the likes of Yahoo or Google. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Hey, look at this! Someone donated over $250,000! | AndonicO 22:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that was the input of some matched funding. Not sure if it was from one or more than one source. I saw a note about it somewhere on the funding site but can;t find it right now. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Love

Hi

I fall in love with someone which i don't know physically or facially. I know her only through online chat room.But i love her very much. Is there any term, like sight lovet,hat expresses this kind of love?

Internet romance? Splintercellguy 08:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

That term describes the situation, not the love. Long before the Internet, people fell in love while exchanging letters. You might call it "blind love", but most people will assume it means something else (such as senseless love). Additionally, I don't think that when you are in love, that what you're experiencing is love. Love and being-in-love are different things; each is possible without the other.  --Lambiam 17:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Martial Art - Niyuddha-kride

I've seen 2 different descriptions of this martial art, where one describes it as a type of wrestling (http://www.pvv.org/~leirbakk/rpg/streetfighter/styles/sf_fightingartsofindiaandpakistan.html) and the other as a type of striking art (http://en.wikipedia.org/Niyuddha-kride). As I have limited rsources, it would be muchly apprecited if someone could give me clear infomation or some links to this art, as much as possible too ;). Thankyou —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kachi (talk • contribs) 09:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

Plymouth

How fast does a 1969 Plymouth Barracuda go?

Google is your friend. This sauce says that the top speed was 110 mph or 178 kmph depending on which part of the dial you're reading. Dismas| 10:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

jan

where is jan 3?

Up there, just before America vs China. JackofOz 10:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of sounding obvious,have you tried looking between jan 2 and jan 4 :)? Lemon martini 17:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

London to New York via Royal Mail Airmail?

What are people's experiences with delivery time via the regular Royal Mail airmail London to NYC? is their official target of within 5 days more or less reliable? I'm curious... thanks! Bwithh 12:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The royal mail couldn't deliver something ten miles away in five days.172.189.77.244 20:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

We got something from China to England in two days. Does this help?

I often experience 1 week timescales when dealing with the US (mostly Chicago). Considering it can be a week for mail to move inside the US, this isn't bad.Robovski 01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Three brains

what is it that is commonly mistaken for having 3 brains when it only has one?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.87.241 (talk • contribs)

Octopus?--Shantavira 15:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

three people172.189.77.244 20:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Trademarking of colours

Whilst posting my parcels this morning,I saw this at the bottom of one of the leaflets 'ROYAL MAIL,the Royal Mail logo,the cruciform Royal Mail symbol AND THE COLOUR RED are trademarks of the Royal Mail and may not be used without their permission.'

Can someone please explain how on earth this is possible?How did they managed to convince someone legally that the colour red is their idea?Or is this statement just meaningless legally unenforceable gobbledegook?I'm curious as to how they'd even begin pursuing a case against someone for 'infringing their copyright on the colour red' :)

I've checked Trademark but nothing like this appeared there...

Lemon martini 17:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you can register colour in a context as part of a trademark, such as Stelios' easyjet & easy???? orange (planes, car hire, cruise ships), none of which prevents Orange (phones) from sharing the colour. Looks like poor wording on the part of the royal mail. --Tagishsimon (talk)

There are trademarked colours out there. The specific colour make-up of the red of Royal Mail is probably what is trademarked (i.e. a specific pantone). The context of where it can be used is also key. Pantone 0607298 is a trademark of United parcel Service EDIT . Read trademark, patent, copyright for more insight, the rules vary and can be quite complex. ny156uk

(edit conflict!) "You can register a name, logo, slogan, domain name, shape, colour or sound.". Royal Mail haven't registered just any red, but the particular shade of red they use in that context. Cadbury have registered their purple colour. Harley Davidson have registered the sound produced by their engines. Orange would be prevented from using easyjet's orange, but free to use a different orange. I'm sure breaches would be dealt with as are any others. See non-conventional trademark for further info (which is linked right there in the introduction of trademark). Natgoo 17:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If I was to do something in the same colours as were used in a book or film, could I be sued by its copywrite holder?

No. Trademark is not the same thing as copyright. --Carnildo 21:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

colours questions

Why is it that red means hot and blue means cold?

By association, I guess: because very hot things glow red, whilst ice tends to look a little blue?

Also cold causes people to go 'blue' due to blood flowing away from the skin (vasoconstriction) and turn red when they are hot (vasodilation).87.102.8.102 21:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

What is the name for the shade of blue Copper Sulphate crystals are?

The anhydrous form of Copper(II) sulfate is a pale green or gray-white powder, while the hydrated form is bright blue. The archaic name for copper(II) sulfate is blue vitriol, which is possibly the answer you're looking for? --Tagishsimon (talk)

Why are pink things pink? Is it because they have less red colour in them, or an actual pink colour.

They reflect less red than a red thing that reflects more red. (the spectrum of reflected light contains a smaller spike of red than does the sp[ectrum reflected form a red thing) --Tagishsimon (talk)

There is no 'pink' as such - it's white with a little red - though near ultraviolet also appears pink.87.102.8.102 21:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is pink consedered inappropriate for boys?

Culture is an odd thing (and a thing, apropos nothing, that we appear to be blind to - at least, we're blind to the oddities our own culture). Our article Pink has this to say on the question:

The color pink is now associated with womanhood and little girls, just like light blue is associated with little boys and manhood. However, in 1918 "Infant's Department" (an industry publication) said the reverse was the "generally accepted rule", describing pink as "more decided and stronger" while blue was "more delicate and dainty" . Pink continued to be used for both boys' and girls' clothing through the early 1960s, though it is becoming more and more associated with femininity.

--Tagishsimon (talk)

Why are white things white? Is there something in them that makes them appear this colour, or nothing in them to make them appear any other colour?

By & large, they reflect the whole spectrum of light without absorbing particular colours. It is the absorption of particular wavelengths in the spectrum that causes things to be coloured. I heartily commend our article Color to you. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Why are white things white? That's like asking why →this← word is a word. It just is. Vranak 22:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

172.189.77.244 19:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

So there is nothing in things like milk or white paint that makes them that colour?172.189.77.244 20:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes there is; there are proteins or pigments which reflect the whole spectrum of light. --Tagishsimon (talk)

White paint typical has chalk or titanium dioxide in which are both white.

Milk is white because it is an emulsion - the compounds in milk would be mostly colourless if they were not dispered.87.102.8.102 21:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Current Purchase Cost of Future Pensions

Maybe this isn't the correct place to ask this, but I can't think of anywhere better, so here goes. My wife and I recently retired from the British Public Service, both aged 60, each with individual inflation-proof pensions, paid monthly; the survivor of either of us pre-deceasing the other will continue to collect 50% of the other's pension benefits for life thereafter. I get £12,000 pa, and my wife gets £9,000 pa, both before tax deductions (we also own our home and have several investments that will supplement our old-age over and above the pensions in question). And we will each collect the British State Pension at the relevant ages (Female 60 - Male 65), though that income should not affect the answer to my query. On the basis of the information given, I wonder if some clever and well-informed Wikipedian could tell me what the approximate cost in cash at today's predictable inflation rate would be to buy such pension benefits given whatever the current actuarial statistics might forecast as our relative ages at death? We both enjoy good health at present but that should not form part of the calculations. And neither of us would re-marry. Any information forthcoming will NOT be used or quoted in any financial discussions or planning exercises - I am genuinely just curious. Thanks in anticipation for any answers . CasualWikiUser 20:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe that Misplaced Pages would carry a liability if we gave an answer to this, much like legal and medical questions. That said, I'm now into those calculations myself, and they're a bitch! --Zeizmic 19:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Zeizmic, I appreciate your help. And I unreservedly and publicly exonerate and release you and Misplaced Pages from any responsibility or Liability in respect of any attempts to answer my foregoing pension-related question. Thanks again. CasualWikiUser 20:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hand to hand combat

In some martial arts, students are taught a "special move" that suppsedly kills the opponent in one hit. Usually when I hear about this, it is in the form of a palm-heel to the nose, ramming the ethmoid bone into the brain, causing immediate death. Is that really fatal the way combat enthusiasts insist it is? (The article on the ethmoid bone describes that injury, but does not say if it is fatal.) V-Man737 20:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to that precise question but I have seen that blow being demonstrated when doing martial arts training myself - the only difference being that the instructor, a 6th Dan I think, continued sliding the palm of his hand up the face after striking the nose as described above, sufficiently high enough to permit him to grab a good handful of the recipient's hair and holding on tight, and then to drag the head downwards until the already damaged nose came into violent contact with the hair-grabber's raised and ascending knee. If not altogether fatal, the results would be indescribably dangerous, damaging, and painful.

This sounds like the 'handshake' I read about once, but then he shut the other guys nose in a book instead.

Evidence of the evolutionary value of a receding hairline. Indeed, I theorized with my friend that perhaps this single strike could be eventually fatal via loss of blood, but I was met with insistence that a bone enters the brain and causes immediate death. I asked for sauce, but for some reason the onus was put on me. V-Man737 20:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't there also a way to strike the chest so as to stop the heart? | AndonicO 22:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

So far it's all sounding like urban legends to me. I NEED SAUCE!! V-Man737 22:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes.Coolsnak3 22:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

No, the nose bones are not strong enough to break through the skull, they would shatter. I would bve very painful, but not fatal.

Multiple sex partners

What is the exact proportion of population in the US, UK etc.. that have multiple sex partners? How is that different from treatment of marriage in Islam i.e. one man having a number of wives? 20:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)~~

Interesting question, I can't tell you the exact numbers of people who have multiple sex partners but I'll give my opinion on the second part of your question. Firstly, if you define multiple sex partners as having them during the same period of time, then I think it isn't really that high, not in my demographic anyway, most people in developed countries will have had more then one sex partner in their life but not at the same time. The people that do would be called promiscuous and the people who do it while raising a family at the same time would be cheaters, no doubt it does happen but it is not socially acceptable in the western world. Secondly, in the west, females are as free to have multiple sex partners as males, in my experience, where as it is my understanding a woman is likely to be stoned to death or otherwise murdered if she attempted anything of the sort in Muslim culture. Those are the differences immediately obvious to me at least. Vespine 21:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Pretty bold statements there Vespine. I'd add the word "most" to a lot of your statements above. Most people that do would be called promiscuous and most people who do it while raising a family at the same time would be cheaters, no doubt it does happen but it is for the most part not socially acceptable in the western world. Though a small percentage of the overall population, there are people in consensual polygamous relationships, though this is largely frowned upon by both church and civil authorities. Grutness...wha? 23:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's a good sub-question: Why do polygamous groups make the news, but people who merely engage in sexual activities with multiple partners don't? The intuition here is that marriage is a way to make sex legit, and extramarital sex is a less-than-legit thing. Better question: If the government makes polygamy illegal, why not multiple sex partners in general? V-Man737 23:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, of course I agree Grutness!:) I try to speak in as general terms as I can and yes, most definitely fits into where you placed it. Typically I do not expect people to read things like what I have written to mean "absolutely every single person down to the last individual" just because I didn't say "most". Whenever you are describing any culture or group, you can only ever speak in generalities. Even to say humans have two eyes and ten fingers is only a generality, just as I am sure there would even be exceptions to monogamous women in Muslim culture, but those are exceptions. Vespine 00:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The above responses are not concrete enough! Whether one engages in promiscous activitities under religion or the other sect exposes it like the US does both can be equally condemned. Every state of mind cant be recognised as freedom and be abused like the current practices of the US. 11:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)~~

A question for anyone who has taken time to upload information to Misplaced Pages

Hi, I'm researching motivations for voluntary action and you guys have given time to upload information to this site. My questions how are: Why? What was your motivation? (no matter how weak any feeling was, there's probably some driving motivation) Do you volunteer for other causes? What do you think caused this site to create such a huge following? Thank you

About your first question, it's very simple: I think knowledge is the most important thing we (humans) have, so I try to perpetuate, distribute and achieve as much as I can of it. — Kieff 21:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If an article strikes me as both important and lacking, I will modify it. Vranak

If there is something I know that Misplaced Pages doesn't have, I'll add it, even though there isn't any personal gain. I personally don't volunteer for other causes. Finally, this site has a large following for one reason: most people like to contribute to something others can use; it's psychology from back in the caves. :-) | AndonicO 22:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I like to show off and annoy other people with my superior knowledge

See also Motivations for Contributing to Online Communities.  --Lambiam 02:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Lambian's link is interesting. Of the various possible motivations put forward in that article, the one that comes closest to describing my own reasons for contributing is Sense of Efficacy. But mostly I just contribute because it is fun. And no, I don't volunteer for other causes. Gandalf61 10:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

How is content added?

My question is:

Is all of the information on Misplaced Pages manually typed in by the volunteers and users, or are there other methods used such as scanning in text, importing text from electronic encyclopedias, etc?

Thank you

Mostly by users, though there was once a bot that added in a series of geographic locations automatically - see User:rambot. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Mostly typed in by volunteers, but cut & paste plagiarism from copyright and non-copyright sources does happen.--Measure 21:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Anata wa jitensha dewa arimasen. V-Man737 21:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but was I supposed to understand? In other words, what does that mean, and what does it have to do with the question? | AndonicO 22:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

ARGH. That was the result of an edit conflict... Someone had made a post in Japanese, and I responded (in Romaji). They were asking if they were a bicycle, and I reassured them of their non-bicycle nature. V-Man737 23:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

V-Man737さん、ありがと。わたしはむしんろんしゃですか。わたしはいちじはんですか。　＜＿＜　＞＿＞　すみません。

BJAODN, anyone? Grutness...wha? 23:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Sup and sub on top of each other

Is it possible to have a  section directly on top of a  section? I don't think it is, but it would fit. Thanks! Reywas92_Sigs 22:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it would work. I've got them pretty close together here: User:Measure/test and the words look like they would overlap if they were any closer. --Measure 22:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Like this:?

Do ^{_{you mean}} <sub><sup>Like this ???

Do

It just seems to shrink the font - -87.102.23.224 22:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Or <sup>you mean _likethis</sub> ???

Or

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Wouldn't this question do better at the help desk? | AndonicO 22:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It did reasonably well here. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I think he/she meant it like:

Is this what

you're looking for?

... But that's probably not practical enough. — Kieff 23:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow. That is a lotta sandboxin' under your belt. Props! V-Man737 23:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I understand now - sorry you must have meant C₆ - but with the 6 under the 14 - didn't get it. Sorry I don't know how - the help desk is probably the place to ask about wiki syntax and markup.87.102.19.164 01:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

${\displaystyle C_{n}^{k}}$. like this - but more generally - does any one know?87.102.19.164 01:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

How about this: ${\displaystyle _{Under}^{Over}}$ ? StuRat 04:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Or, we can also use the <sub> and <sup> tags to alter the height slightly: _{${\displaystyle _{Under}^{Over}}$} ${\displaystyle _{Under}^{Over}}$ . StuRat 04:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

University/college

In Canada, we generaly use the term university to refer to major educational institutions that grant bachelor (or higher) degrees. The term college is more loosly defined but usually refers to institutions that grant diplomas after 2-4 years of study. Two things that bug me: A) why do Americans use the term college (esp. college sports) to refer to even the most prestigious educational institutions? Why do so many institutions in Canada that offer only technical or trade training (as opposed to academics) call themselves a "college" or even "university"? Isn't there (or shouldn't there be) a legal definition of college/university? One more thing, can anyone tell me if ther are other "real" universities or colleges in the Greater Vancouver area other than the following: University of BC, Simon Fraser University, Vancouver Comunity College, BC Institute of Technology, Capilano College.

You may wish to review our article College#The_origin_of_the_U.S._usage, which contains your answer as to the US/Brit usage of the word! Hipocrite - «Talk» 22:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a difference between "college" and "university" in U.S. usage. A university is generally made up of one or more colleges. For example, Harvard College is the undergraduate part of Harvard University. If Bard College had more than one college, it would be "Bard University." Americans use "college" to refer to higher education in general because not all higher-education institutions in the country are universities. The Commonwealth English expression "I'm going to university" sounds awkward to American ears. -- Mwalcoff 00:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

and to Pittsburghese ears, anything other than "caw-edge" sounds strange. V-Man737 00:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

does the earth really rotate?? or is it a myth??

The earth is approx 24000 miles in circumference, which means if it does rotate once in 24 hours it should be travelling at roughly 1000 MPH from west to east.

Which means if a plane is travelling at say 600 MPH from west to east it would never get to its destination, likewise if it was travelling from east to west it would be travelling faster (ie) 600 MPH plane speed + 1000 MPH rotation = 1600 MPH.

Lets say the earth does rotate this means if I were to jump up in the air when i landed I would land further away from where I jumped this surely meand that the earth is static and the sun moon & stars rotate around it. stars

YES, it rotates that fast. NO, you'll land in the same spot because you will also be moving that fast, and since the air is also moving with you two, there's no resistance to slow you down. In the case of airplanes, (probably because of their high altitutude) it does make a difference, but not as big as you think. Crossing the Atlantic ocean in one direction only takes about an hour more than the other direction.

• The only reason there's a difference at all is due to winds. For crossings between Europe and North America, eastbound flights can often take advantage of the eastbound jet stream, giving them an advantage in speed. The fact that the Earth is rotating and the bulk of the atmosphere along with it makes no difference to a plane. --Anonymous, January 5, 01:42 (UTC).

Question for science desk, but in a nutshell I'd say your issue deals with frame of reference. Fully reading that article should qualm your fears about the earth-rotation conspiracy theory. V-Man737 22:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Here is a little experiment you can do. Get in a car, get someone to drive it along quite fast (the faster the better, well the more fun) Now through a ball up in the air. According to your argument above the ball should stay still relative to the ground which means that it should travel backwards inside the car. Try it! You can easily catch the ball. It does not travel backwards. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Allow me to impovise on this experiment. Try it in a train. Since the air inside the train is also moving with the ball and the train, it does not "slow the ball down" and make it land further back. Now, if you dare, try this experiment ON TOP of a moving train. Since the air OUTSIDE the train is NOT moving with the ball, it WILL slow the ball and make it land way farther back.

Of course the atmosphere does rotate along with the Earth. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Would that be because of pressurization? | AndonicO 22:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be due to friction, that the atmosphere is carried along in rotation? If it weren't carried along, there would be a heck of a lot of friction between the ground and the air. -GTBacchus 22:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

If it weren't carried along there would be one hell of a wind at the equator. Whereas in actual fact we have the doldrums Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 22:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, when we launch rockets into space, we take advantage of the velocity imparted by Earth's rotation, and launch them eastward from points in lower latitudes, where available. That's why the US launches shuttles from Florida instead of New York or something, and why the Europeans launch rockets from French Guiana - see Escape velocity for more on this point. -GTBacchus 22:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course. It's so much more plausible that the entire rest of the universe revolves and the Earth stands still. Of course, the more distant objects would have to travel faster than the speed of light, but that's just a minor detail. Clarityfiend 02:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The train examples may be misleading if the person throws the ball while the train is accelerating or decelerating or turning, which is quite frequent in metro trains, you should specify that the train has to be going at a constant rate, like the earth, for the experiment to work properly. Vespine 04:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Objective evidence that it is the Earth that is rotating and not the rest of the universe comes from the Coriolis effect and Foucault's pendulum. However, according to certain interpretations of Mach's principle, it may not make sense to ask whether the Earth is "really" rotating - all we can say is that the Earth is rotating relative to the fixed stars. Gandalf61 10:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Silly law

There's a sign in my appartment building (in Vancouver, BC, Canada) that says: "Lighting and blackout regulations: all blinds must be drawn between dusk and sunrise" Is this stupid or what? The government can't tell me when to open and close my blinds! What about privacy? I'm not sure if this is set by the municipal, provincial, or federal gov't. Please tell me this law/regulation is one of the silly old ones that are never enforced...;;

It's to protect others from seeing you engaging in your preferred bedtime activities with the lights on silly!!!!!!!!

(Granted that the owner of your building might be the government) the rule is probably one set by the building owner, not by government. And there's probably a reason for it. As to whether it is enforced I couldn't conjecture. --Tagishsimon (talk)

The impending questions would then be: what about free speech? What if I WANT people to see me engaged in my preferred bedtime activities? V-Man737 22:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You'd be advised not to have entered into a contract (e.g. a lease) with a covenant up with which you could not put. --Tagishsimon (talk)

The rule probably dates from WWII. I doubt that the building owner set it, and I doubt that it is enforceable. If you live in a condominium, check your bylaws. Anchoress 23:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

You really should take a picture of that sign! It's a classic! --Zeizmic 23:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you are not on the right track, the rule is probably made by the body corporate, or UK equivalent. What you can and can't do with windows is actually not uncommon in shared buildings like apartments and high rises, especially within a CBD. You may own office space within a high rise but what you can put in the windows and how you affect the outside appearance of the building you reside in is definitely subject to rules and regulations, sometimes quite strict. I worked in an office once where we wanted a panel of window tinted from the inside and the building wouldn't allow it because only the middle row of windows was allowed to be tinted due to the way it affected the architectural design of the building. You may own your apartment but you do not own the building or the façade, you couldn't also for example remove your apartment, even if you didn't structurally weaken the building. Ok, that's a far cry from using blinds during the night but I think it's along the same lines… Also, as to free speech, there was a case not long ago in Australia where someone was exercising their free speech by watching a porno on their in car DVD player, a youngster in a car beside him at the lights saw the screen and what was on it, the parent driving the car was alerted to what had happened and reported the other driver and they were fined for public indecent display or whatever it is called. Vespine 00:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, what would the Canadian equivalent to the 'body corporate' be? You're right about common property in buildings, but (I was on the strata council for my building for four years, and I am very familiar with rental rules in British Columbia) to my knowledge a law requiring residents to 'black out' their windows at night would be unenforceable. Your examples about free speech and modifying building exteriors are not applicable, because one is related to an act (watching porno), and the other is related to common property (the actual windows, as opposed to the interior window coverings). I did a bit of a search and I wasn't able to come up with anything definitive about Vancouver bylaws. Anchoress 01:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

It's possible that the intention is to reduce the hazard to birds. Many birds are killed by flying into buildings at night, because they associate light with open sky. --Anonymous, January 5, 01:44 (UTC).

Or perhaps it's to prevent light pollution in general, so people have some hope of seeing the stars at night. StuRat 04:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Accurate websites needed for english food crop/ornamentals growing conditions.

Hello,

I am trying to locate good English websites as mentioned in the subject line. I am trying to find sites with optimum growing temps/frost damage threshold temps/ chilling injury temps etc as well as the durations of the frost etc. Even if there a book available, that would be handy. As long as I have a place to start, I do not mind doing the research myself.

I have looked on many sites but it's handy if just one or two sites or a book could supply the necessary information.

The most important crops are the expensive ornamentals and other commercially valuable fruits/salad crops. (Especially peppers, tomatoes with their delicate nature towards chilling/frost.)

Thank you for helping,

Andy123451 22:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC) Andy123451

Picture of an old Parker pen.

Hello
I would really appreciate it if anyone could find the picture of a Parker pen I'm looking for. I can not find it on the Parker website (I assume its out of production), and I can't see to find a picture anywhere else either. The picture I have found so far that has been the best fit is this: http://www.luxus.cz/obchod_pic/nahledy/pen_5267237_velikost_x256.jpg
However, the pen I am looking for is silver where this pen is gold. Licensing of the picture does not matter, as the most I will be doing with the picture is linking people to it. Really appreciate it. Clq 22:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Joker

In the world of television and news reports, What is a joker? Are they the fill in presenter for when the main presenter is away?

I haven't heard that term, but that sounds like a reasonable guess to me. StuRat 03:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

What time does Newcastle run to South Shields?

When is this?

Do you mean the Great North Run? If so, then this year it is on Sunday 30th September. JMiall 00:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Soft Aerogel

Can Aerogel be made from a soft rather than a ridgid material? Barringa 00:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The qualification of Aerogel having friability implies that it would have to be based on a rigid material, although in the world of science I am sure there are many strange exceptions. V-Man737 23:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

using Misplaced Pages to advertise a business

what are the rules for a store like ShopRite being mentioned in an article for example in the Perth Amboy NJ article --Javierbaires1 02:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Javierbaires1

The mention in Perth Amboy, New Jersey looks fairly gratuitous / unnecessary / superfluous to me. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I agree. Removed. SWAdair | Talk 04:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Coca Cola arsenic

Hi all!

I read somewhere that a few years ago a law was passed in USA that prohibited excessive amounts of arsenic, lead, uranium and others in food. As the story goes, Coca Cola was forced to change its formula. Is this true? Is it probable? Is it posible?

Thanks all! --Thor Waldsen 03:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Doubtful, improbable but possible. I think arsenic & lead are more likely to be things found in drinks because they were in the water, rather than in the formula. Scopes has nothing on this in its cokelore section, fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I seem to recall there was discussion a few years ago in the US of changing the maximum allowed level of arsenic in ground water, which would also end up in anything made from that water, like Coca Cola. I don't remember the outcome of those discussions, however. StuRat 03:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Why "Misplaced Pages"?

How did Misplaced Pages get its name? It sounds vaguely Australian. I've been sent in circles trying to find an answer to this seemingly simple question.207.69.139.6 04:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

"Wiki-wiki" is Hawaiian for "quick", and "pedia" is from "encyclopedia". Although, judging from the number of Brits here, perhaps it should be Wikipǣdia. StuRat 04:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

See also wiki --Tagishsimon (talk)

I'm Australian and fail to see how it sounds vaguely Australian, if anything it sounds vaguely New Zealandish, obviously because if you swap the syllables around it makes kiwi. Vespine 04:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe they meant the Aboriginal languages. For example, how about Wajarripedia ? StuRat 05:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Luxury commodities by country

I'm putting together a piece on luxury commodities, and in associating certain luxury goods with certain countries, Persian rugs from Iran come quickly to mind, while maybe Swarovski crystal from Austria not so quickly, and Laguiole knives from France even less so. Can someone help me out with some other suggestions, preferably along the line of the knives, i.e. not as well-known or obvious as the rugs? I'd appreciate any help. Wolfgangus 04:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Luxury good and Category:Luxury brands may be a good starting point. SWAdair | Talk 05:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone who is anybody simply must have a Sub-Zero Refrigerator from the US and several Ming dynasty vases from China. StuRat 05:17, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

scientists

I am a third grade teacher with students from diverse backgrounds in my class. I am looking for American scientists that I can hold up as inspiration. I am looking for both male and female from these backgrounds in particular: black, hispanic, Asian Indian, Somali, and European. My problem is that I can't figure out the background of the scientists. Pictures/photos are a must-have.

Thanks for your help. Suzanne

Try this for black Americans scientists (I don't know if any are of Somali origin): . StuRat 04:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't see any Americans scientists which appear to be from India here: . StuRat 04:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Most of the American scientists listed here, both male and female, are of European ancestry: . StuRat 05:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Just guessing from their names, I would say these two might have ancestry from India: Ramesh Jain, Geerat J. Vermeij and this one might be Hispanic: Robert Remez. StuRat 05:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Among Indian scientists who became American citizens, Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar, E. C. George Sudarshan and Hargobind Khorana are probably the most famous. Tintin (talk) 06:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a list of Indian-Americans at Category:Indian Americans. I can't say if any of them are scientists without actually reading the articles. But if you include engineers, there are some big some big names there. Tintin (talk) 06:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Well it's not exactly what you ordered, but astronauts have science degrees. Anchoress 05:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Geerat J Vermeij looks rather Dutch to me. JackofOz 05:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Family History

I'm having a hard time looking up my Family History on my Mother's side, her madan name was Herzog. Her Dads name was Raymond Benjamin Herzog (1908-1966), his Dads name was Benedict Nicholas Herzog and Mothers madan name was Gertrude Richter. If anybody can help me, I would be very thankful to the people who helps me.

Signed GLRasmussen(Herzog)

I need help

_{Subscript text} i want to find out my natiive american identification number, im from the pueblo of acoma tribe and i know that there is some sort of government assistants out there. I also cannot find out what the officical term for those numbers. pleases help me i would greatly appericate it thank you!!!1

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