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Relation to Africans and Australians

Uh, Dravidians ARE closely related to Africans and Australians. This is supported by the fact that a migration wave of humans related to modern Australians moving through India: Recent single-origin hypothesis

Along with the works of Carleton S. Coon: Australoid

This, which shows heavy genetic admixture from Australoid groups throughout India, more and more prevalent the farther south you go: http://members.tripod.com/%7Etanmoy/bengal/races.html

Along with http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/pasa.html and http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/bengal.html.

Yes, I know the last two links are from an afro-centric historian site, but the Australoid/African admixture in India is undeniable. It's different from afrocentric crackpots grabbing at straws over the facial features of Egyptian statues or saying Aristotle stole from Alexandria, or that Beethoven was half-black. This is real and should be included.

If we can find credible sources then we can create a sub section under 'modern views to talk about the Australian link RaveenS

Organized the article

I took the liberty to organize the article as it was a jumble of too many views sometimes not relating to the subject matter on hand. Please forgive me for any transgressions. I think the article is better now. We still have to do more pruning and adding to make it truly encyclopedic.RaveenS

Views from Pakistan and Bangladesh

I have read official documentations (such as tourist advertisement in Newsweek by the Government of B'desh) that claims the people of Bangaldesh are Dravidian although they speak Indo-Aryan lanaguage. Pakistani websites claiming that the substratum of all Pakistani languages are Dravidian and thus they are not Aryan but Dravidian. These have to incorporated as part of the Political ramifications section.

"Racial classification"

I doubt that the recently added reference Khan, Hayat. Differences between Pakistanis and Indians. 2006. August 26, 2006. http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/differences.html is of significance. An essay on a GeoCities homepage? Looks like a bad joke. Also, is it intended to be a reference for what classical anthropologists did in the past or a reference for an assumed fact? --Pjacobi 14:23, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, should be removed. Is not credible RaveenS 14:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Dravidians and Vedic culture

This is about the definition of what and who are Dravidian people, if such a concept is exits. About the prevalence of Vedic culture in South India, it is a different subject matter altogether and I have created a stub and linked it here. Please expand it properly. Thanks RaveenS

Also the external links about Aryan Dravidian controversy belong in the appropriate linked article called Arayna Invasion theory (history and controversy). 64.201.162.1

Removing fair use images

The images that are provided with this article, are not covered by a free license. They have been uploaded on fair use claims, which do not allow them to be used on this article. Their use would amount to copyright violation. Thus, I am removing the pictures from the article. Please do not revert back. Thank you.-- thunderboltz 04:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I bet you were dinner monitor in school or register collector.... ;)

Merge Proposal

These articles appear to be about the same subject, or close enough for a merge considering the small size of the Dravida article. Thoughts? Brad T. Cordeiro 19:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes it should be merged. It's the same subject. Paul B 22:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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(moved from article page by BostonMA 14:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC))

There could be some logic to this. As in the tamil (the oldest dravidian language)tongue, the word for homeland is 'Ur'. Ur was the first city of the world in the Middle East region. Other aspect, perhaps by the sea expeditions of the South Indian Kings, is the remarkable cultural similiarities between the people of East Asia and South Indians.

This page is a joke. There is no such thing as a Dravidian

I cant believe there are still people who think there are people who call themselves Dravidian.....THe term Dravidian is a racist term made up by Euorpeans....In India nooooobody calls themself Dravidian.....I live in America and ive never met one person from south India who says there Dravidian.....I dont know anyone that takes pride in saying there Dravidian......And a big chunk of people dont even know what a Dravidian means!......Dont u people get it by now!....Its 2006!.....The Aryan invasion theory is a joke.....ANd the label of Dravidian is a joke to!.....Brrrrrrrruah Punjab India! ARYAN818 22:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Dravidian is a classification for a family of aboriginal ethnic groups throughout the Indian Sub-continent from Pakistan all the way down to Sri Lanka. Just like the term Oriental was used as a clssification of the ethnic groups in China and Japan. You are right that the average South Indian would not say that he or she is a Dravidian, just like a Chinese or a Japanese would not tell you that they are an Oriental. Also, one cannot say that Dravidians are just only in South India. Even though they are densely populated in Southern India and Sri Lanka, they are scattered throughout Central and Norther India too. In the case of Central India and some other parts, there have been intermarriage between both Dravidians and Indo-Aryans. Also, as far as linguistics go, there are Dravidians of Central India and Northern India who speak Indo-Aryan languages, and those whose language is mixed in between Dravidian and Indo-Aryan words. So, to say that Dravidians do not exist, is like saying that Indo-Aryans do not exist. I understand the importance of the unity of India is through diversity. Live and let live. Regards.

Wiki Raja 06:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

So what are ur goals? Proving that there are 2 different Races in India? Are u an expert in such things? Or let me u ask one thing.... Did u ever met a "DRAVIDIAN" in real life? The term Dravidian is not considered insulting, like Oriental is....get it, "Dravdians" do not exist but Tamils, Malayalis,Telugus, Kannadas and others do.. Asian2duracell

Off the top of my head, I would estimate that the majority of political parties in Tamil Nadu identify themselves as Dravidian. --BostonMA 21:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

But most of the Tamil People dont identify them as Dravidians, that term is outdated. And neither do Northern Indians identify them as Aryans... (most dont), everyone identify him/herself with his/her ethnicity...like Punjabi, Gujarati,Bengali, Tamil, Telugu or whatever Asian2duracell

Dravidian project

For some odd reason, this page on Dravidian people tends to be talking more about the Indo-Aryan civilizatin instead of focussing on the Dravidian family of ethnicities. Much work and research needs to be done on this page. If anyone would like to start a Dravidian project please let me know. This project with include language, ethnicity, dance, religion, and more on the ethnic groups which belong to the Dravidian family. Thank you.

Wiki Raja 00:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Do we really need that...

Someone ruined the hole article with his/her afrocentric view, why do people who even dont know what "Dravidian" is editing this article.... this article should be a reedited. finally there is no RACE called Dravidians...

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