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Can you please review this and possibly remove it? User:Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington appears to be confusing WT:RFA with WP:RFC. This discussion has woefully gone from a discussion on the nature of my question to an attack on me. You know me and you know my history and you know that I'm the last one to cry, "Rogue admin!" but Mimsy's behavior of late has become bizarre. I've even been blocked by this administrator in order to prevent me from participating in discussion at WP:RFA. Thanks! —Malber (talk • contribs) 13:28, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Protected Edit page

Hi! See this and if you can, link it into the main page. T'would be a good idea to disimbedd the three 'In-Your-Face' tags to a seperate sub-group, and then fix up the order in this to match. Also, is there a tag which asserts something smells of pov, along the lines of {{Fact}}? I'm rushed and can't find right now. Thanks // FrankB 19:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Sandy Dancer

This User is clearly a sock puppet for someone. Is there no way it can be checked? He is changing articles on right-of-centre Tory groups in Great Britain so that fundamental details relevant to them have been removed altogether. The articles naturally become demonised. The only other Users I can see who relentlessly did this before were Guy Chapman, Ed Chilvers, and Homeontherange. Chelsea Tory 21:44, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, right. Anyone whose political opinions lie to the left of Atilla the Hun is clearly a sockpuppet of Stalin as far as you're concerned :o) Guy (Help!) 19:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • SV, I just noticed this here - someone inquired on my talk page once if I was the same person (apparently we both speak Spanish). Yikes - no, I'm not a dancer, don't agree with her assessment of the best countries for beer, and have spent one week in the UK. Yikes - too much similarity having another Spanish-speaking Sandy on board. Sandy (Talk)
    • Having checked around more now, if there's ever a checkuser, I hope someone will make sure I'm notified and included, so I can be absolved - because there is mention of socks, it's troubling me that someone asked once if we are the same person. Sandy (Talk) 15:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
      • Hey Sandy - chill! There's no need for a checkuser and no-one looking at out edit histories would ever think you and I were the same person. To my knowledge, this is talk page is the first time we've ever edited in the same place!
      • As Guy says, the user who is complaining about this is someone with a political agenda proudly displayed on their user page, with no interest in maintaining civility or NPOV. Ignore him, like I am. Let the "Real Conservative policeman" tend to his lonely beat. Happy editing! --SandyDancer 01:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Image:Karenga4.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Karenga4.jpg, has been listed at Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. — BigDT 01:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Taylor Allderdice High School

Appreciate some help at the above page, I think I've got a POV or OR pusher, who is attempting to slowly insinuate the school endorsed a drug culture based on their schooling their. It's quite a complicated debate, you may need to read the whole talk page to get the gist of it all. Anyway, your thoughts would be most welcome, I've had an RFC up for a couple of weeks and gained no responses. Steve block Talk 12:51, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Your congrats

Hi SlimVirgin :-) Thanks for your congrats and your support. I found out I got the seat by seeing your congrats on my talk page! Wishing you a Very Happy New Year! --FloNight 13:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

lol ;-) FloNight 13:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Philosophy

Trying to improve the above.

Encountering arbitrary & capricious Reversions.

Your expertise (against "troublemakers?") would be useful & certainly appreciated by me.

Yours truly, --Ludvikus 14:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Marsden/Lotuslander

Check the earliest edits to the article in the deleted edit history, looking for a specific red-linked user. I'm not convinced in the present case, and the user's other edits are too old for checkuser, so the only thing that could verified is a "likely" finding based on the geographic location of the IP address. Dave702 and Lotuslander and Howlder are certainly knowledgable about wiki procedures and the Marsden case, and I doubt they are either of the two admins in good standing who previously edited the article. Thatcher131 15:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Your explanation

Nice. Jkelly 03:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Jkelly. Thank you for writing that; it's well-stated and considerate, and is especially nice to see given that I know that you have disagreed with parts of it in the past. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 04:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you both. Well, I was a late convert, and you know what they say about the zeal of the convert. ;-) Seriously, I've been slowly persuaded by all your arguments, yours and Greg's, and also by feeling guilty every time I went to the Commons and saw how much easier it was each time to find appropriate photographs. If everyone relied on fair use, that resource wouldn't exist, and that helped me to step back and see the bigger picture. I'm sorry it took me so long. SlimVirgin 04:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Muhammad al-Durrah

Could you please look in at Talk:Muhammad al-Durrah#2 disputed links? Thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 04:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Slim, did you read the linked article? I don't uniformly object to World Net Daily being linked (though I happen to think it is often gutter journalism), but in this case, the linked article is dreck. It is an exaggerated rehash of someone else's opinion column. There are plenty of better pieces from essentially the same point of view already linked. - Jmabel | Talk 06:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Sandy Dancer et al

I thank you for your message. I will see what I can do for you but I am pressed for time. It is not just the Left who play a prominent part in British politics but also the Right. Therefore some degree of balance is required. Sandy Dancer has significantly demonised the Conservative Monday Club article, removing information on the organisation which appears to me, at least, to be part of its story. Guy Chapman completely deleted the article on Western Goals (UK) without proper procedure, and redirected enquirers to the Western Goals Institute which he subsequently put up for deletion. That failed so it was then "re-edited". Now the well-known Conservative Democratic Alliance has been flagged for deletion by Ed Chilvers, who has been on some sort of crusade against all those involved in these right-wing Tory groups since arriving on Misplaced Pages. In addition some of his more revealing remarks on the deletion log appear to have been removed by...Sandy Dancer, who, as it looks like the proposal for deletion may fail, has announced that he will now "re-edit" the article. It seems to me that if these few Wikipedians don't like traditional Tories (those who Guy Chapman refers to above as "to the right of Attila the Hun" - rather giving his own position away) then you should delete all these articles rather than permit their demonisation and the unfair slurs on the thousands of members who must have passed through them all. Chelsea Tory 11:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• I wish to place it on record that I completely refute all of the above allegations.--Edchilvers 11:26, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Me too. All total nonsense and should be treated as such. People should be allowed to participate in the Misplaced Pages project without harassment - SlimVirgin, please don't help him do so to me or anyone else. This "Real Conservative policeman" seems to want a police state on here!
• I removed a long post by EdChilvers (containing quotes from a third person) because I thought they shouldn't have been posted, particularly not in a AfD debate. If that is enough for this person to instigate a witch hunt against me, then you are letting CheckUser be used for blatant fishing. Don't give him the satisfaction. --SandyDancer 01:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It is interesting that Ed Chilvers has also called for the deletion of Michael Keith Smith, but even more interesting that Sandy Dancer makes the following comment on the deletion log: "This looks like a re-run of Gregory Lauder-Frost". From what I can see Sandy Dancer did not exist during that argument. Chelsea Tory 12:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yawn ... but I have read the discussion, after you accused me of being EdChilvers' sock, didn't I? As I have previously explained. You are really clutching at straws now. Pathetic, tiring, and dull. Stop harassing me. As you will see from my edit history, I make legitimate edits to Misplaced Pages. You do not - you are just here to push a partisan line. --SandyDancer 12:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I have made legitimate complaints to a responsible administrator. I hope they will be investigated. Chelsea Tory 11:02, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

If you think any admin is going to do a checkuser for no reason and simply to allow you to go fishing, you are deluding yourself. This is frankly ludicrous - you were asked to provide diffs backing up your accusations and you aren't able to, because the whole thing is groundless. You yourself have been accused of being a sock puppet - and look how you responded, here and here. Why was that "childish", and this "legitimate"? Just another example of your double standards. I am tired of being harassed by you. --SandyDancer 15:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

User KazakhPol

Hi SV, Thanks for your edits etc on the page about the Tahrir party, related to the unfounded claim that they are terrorists. I suspect you hold similar views to my own about the user KazakhPol; he lacks civility, launches regular personal attacks, is very biased, and uses very poor english. I thought I might warn you that he seems to be moving in on a number of pages related to Islam, I have noticed that he has started deleting whole sentences on the page Caliphate. Aaliyah Stevens (talk) 12:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

He also making regular accusations of terrorism against HT in the following articles:

• Al-Muhajiroun
• Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami
• Terrorism in Kazakhstan

And contributed to a ludicrous article about a respectable british lawyer named: Makbool Javaid, and provides references in these articles that don't say what he claims, or are not credible references, or sleectively quotes misrepresenting the reference.Aaliyah Stevens 16:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I did not start the page on Javaid, and the references support the content on those three pages. KazakhPol 16:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

List of dictators

I'm really annoyed.

After I and many others worked hard to make this article truly excellent and indeed an exemplar list on wikipedia, the same people that tried to get the previous list deleted come along a pull a scam like this.

I don't know if the deletion was marked at the top of the page, but I check the article from time to time and didn't notice it. They picked the holiday season when no one was looking, lost the vote, deleted anyhow using the same argument that was explicitly rejected by the community now and before. They gave no notice to the people who were watching the article. Deteting admin Doc Glasgow had previously been heavily involved in the article and should have recused himself anyway. Hundreds of hours of people's time have been deleted on the whim of a admin with in axe to grind.

Carefully worked out criteria, methods of discussion, 120 references, dozens of articles linking in, a fantastic resource.

Again to refute the silly argument made by some that dictator is an "inherently POV" descriptor, simply search wikipedia for the word dictator and notice how many people are described that way. Britannica, Encarta etc all do so, as do all news outlets.

What can I do?

juicifer 14:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatever you do, count me in, and let me know, pls. Sandy (Talk) 15:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

hmmm, why did I know 172 would be there. Deleted in spite of a Keep consensus. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of dictators. Sandy (Talk) 15:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Slim

Can you help me ?

people are using WP:OR and "www.Palestinieremebered.org" instead of WP:RS here:

Palestinian_exodus#The_so-called_.22Suba_Ruins.22

Thanks, Zeq 15:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Slim: There is a problem with the WP:OR policy which may allow users to enter via the caption OR info that has never been published (because it is not true) . The policy must be changed so that caption info (and connection of the caption to the photo) will have a primary source verification. (other than wiki editor) see above link. Zero argue that the photo is true because he trust the wiki editor who loaded it. Zeq 07:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

What's up with Ancient Historical Persecution By Jews?

Appears that Sjakkalle wants to delete this article -- please don't let that happen.

One thought on the article. Ancient Historical Persecution By Jews is quite an awkward title. It certainly isn't intuitive as a search term. Any thoughts on what would make a better name? Majoreditor 01:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy New Year

TfD nomination of Template:Messianic Judaism

Template:Messianic Judaism has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. IZAK 19:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

I am sorry that I have not yet had the time to catologue my complaints. With three children my time is limited. In the meantime you might care to assess the comments made on my Talk page and also the comments on the Talk page for the Western Goals Institute as well as the remarks on the AfDs for the Conservative Democratic Alliance (now failed) and Michael Keith Smith]] (current). It is important to check the histories also as some remarks are removed after they havd been posted. Chelsea Tory 11:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

If you genuinely believe I am a sockpuppet of EdChilvers - see here Misplaced Pages:Suspected sock puppets. Initiate a discussion about it. If you don't genuinely believe I am a sock puppet, and you are only doing this harass me, stop doing it. In other words - put up or shut up.

Likewise if you genuinely believe some of my edits have been unhelpful - either discuss on the talk page of the article in question or just go ahead and make edits. If you don't have any legitimate reason to disagree with any of my edits, and are only posting messages about me here and elsewhere on Misplaced Pages in order to be abusive, stop doing it. --SandyDancer 17:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

happy new hear!!! Blueaster 00:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jewish people

Hi SlimVirgin: Have you ever had a close look at this strange article: Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jewish people? It's full of red links for the supposed Jews he had contact with (do they deserve articles just because they were Hitler's alleged dentist/shoe-shine-boy/chimney-sweep/whatnots etc?) It's weirdly prurient. The heading stinks. Do all the Jews killed in the Holocaust get to be in it? How about all the theories about Hitler having a Jewish ancestor, does that also count as him having "contact" with Jewish people? I doubt that the originators of this article and those who worked on it have rational objectives. It should be merged with something else involving Adolf Hitler or even deleted for its stupidity. (If not, how about Adolf Hitler's contacts with gypsies, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Italian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with Russian people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with retarded people, Adolf Hitler's contacts with murderers this can go on forever, and then we can even create Category:Adolf Hitler's contacts with people. IZAK 02:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Renaming Zionism and racism

Hi SlimVirgin: Shouldn't the Zionism and racism article be renamed to Allegations of Zionism and racism as with Allegations of Israeli apartheid? What are your thoughts? IZAK 02:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Happy New Year, Slim. All the best for a great 2007! El_C 04:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Mala Zimetbaum

of possible interest to you, see also User talk:IZAK#Mala Zimetbaum. Cheers, Tomer 01:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Question

Why did you remove this comment? Thanks, Dar-Ape 21:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I personally would have given the benefit of the doubt and simply responded like this, but I respect your judgement. Thank you for the prompt reply, Dar-Ape 21:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:AlexLinder.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:AlexLinder.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Misplaced Pages articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

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Image:AlexPacheco(PETA).jpg

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If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that any fair use images which are replaceable by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MECU≈talk 02:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

About WP:ATT, could you maybe provide the rationale on top of the talk page?

Hello, I really like the WP:ATTRIBUTE proposal, and since I've messed it up completely, you might want to fix it up again :) However, it would also be nice, if you would place a nice infobox on top of the talk page that explains what were the motivations and what is the intention of the proposal. --Merzul 13:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi. You might want to take a look at the proposal at WT:V to discourage removing unsourced information, which comes from a recent sex slang dictdef AfD spree. Jkelly 23:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Funny Swastika

Hi SlimVirgin: Take a look at these templates:

• {{Hindu Links}} (top left)
• {{Hinduism small}} (bottom)
• {{HinduFestivals}} (top right)
• {{Hindu Deities and Texts}} (top right)
• {{User WikiProject Hindu mythology}} (left)

with the displayed prominently. Honestly, of all of Hinduism's symbols' did this one have to get "headline" billing on these templates? Alternatives are aplenty if one were to look around on articles listed on {{Hindu Deities and Texts}} where there are dozens of less offensive symbols that could be chosen for the same purpose. While the swastika may be ok with some Hindus, it should not be flashed around "in all innocence" because for the rest of the world that was caught up in World War II it was the symbol of literal EVIL, DEATH and DESTRUCTION emanating from the Nazis. It was Hitler's personal diabolical "symbol of choice" and for that reason it is VERY far from neutral, no matter in what context it is used. It violates Misplaced Pages:Civility to have it displayed in such an "in your face" fashion on these Hindu templates, giving it a dubious "place of pride" it does not deserve. Need one say more? IZAK 22:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Hi: NOTE: Talk about this is now centralized at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Hinduism#Use of Swastika. Thanks. IZAK 02:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Universal Image Format

This is why it was protected. This group of IPs keep coming in, all Uifan (talk · contribs · logs). — RevRagnarok 23:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello SlimVirgin and a Happy New Year! --HIZKIAH (User • Talk) 17:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey there cool breeze

I kvetch about it enough that I've finally made a small change to the request for comment template. Wasted effort, scrap everything? - brenneman 06:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

recomendation

Post-Zionism, Post Holocaust

by: Elhanan Yakira

Get this book: http://www.am-oved.co.il/HTMLs/product.aspx?C1010=17211&BSP=13483 by Prof Yakira. It will go a long way to get academic backing to many things you already know as well as some new ones. Zeq 07:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Forking Religious anti-Semetism / Anti-Judaism

I'm just going to fork these for now as I'm rather conviced these two terms have distinct meanings. By wikipedia's own definition, anti-Semetism "can range in expression from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution." Anti-Judaism, as a theological position, has nothing to do with any of that. -- Kendrick7 07:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

When I restore Anti-Judaism in the next few days, there will be plenty of sources attesting to the difference. I will hope you will not continue blanking the page and replacing it with a redirect, as this could be considered vandalism. -- Kendrick7 00:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Joel Teitelbaum

Hi Crz, would you mind reverting this back to the pre-3RR version? It's currently protected on Chussid's version with the link to the personal website. Cheers, SlimVirgin 22:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I am not going to do that. You may very well be right, but I am not editing the protected page crz crztalk 23:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

You protected it. :-) It's quite normal to revert to a pre-3RR version before protecting a page, because otherwise the protection rewards the violator. But it's up to you; I don't want to interfere with your admin decisions. SlimVirgin 23:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be tantamount to joining the editwar. Figure it out, ask some nonjews for input on whether the links are up to WP:EL, and then we can all remove it together once it's unprotected. crz crztalk 23:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

For an unbiased look. I like to involve a gentile or two in intra-Jewish wars to try and be neutral. crz crztalk 23:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I am suggesting there are hardly any Jews that do not hold pre-conceived opinions on the issue of Israel and Zionism, which is what this war comes down to. crz crztalk 23:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

BigDT's RfA

I agree, sort of, with your comment here, but what do you want to do about the problem? It's not the candidates' fault that RfA regular voters tend to over-represent IRC fairies, wanna-be admins desperate to increase their Wikispace edit count, and non-writers in general, with the result that the process becomes an exercise in groupthink. Wikispace edits are wonderful. Article writing? Anyone can do that. Most Misplaced Pages editors, the ones who actually create the content, wouldn't know where RfA was. I go through periods where I apply 1FA and the like, but it never lasts. I'd hardly ever support anyone, and what good would that do for something that is supposed to be no big deal? Looking for some good ideas, Yours grumpily, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:35, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for helping with Yzak

I am hesitant to get into any kind of dispute since I'm still ... a little off balance due to personal messes. :) --Elaragirl 09:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

RE: Some advice

Thank you for approaching me in a civil manner about it. Is there some formal process to take Barnstars away or something? I didn't think Doug Bell should be blatantly trolling WP: Gundam on his userpage like that. Yzak Jule 10:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess I'll have to. Thanks for being helpful instead of just screaming at me. :-) Yzak Jule 10:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Antisemitism

Hi SlimVirgin,

Please have a look at this

Please read the "Bernard Lewis, whose Jews of Islam..." onwards. Thanks --Aminz 13:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Help:Talk page

SlimVirgin, Help:Talk page has thousands of incoming links - until these are fixed, there should be a redirect in place to Misplaced Pages:Talk page. I'll create one shortly. Is there any reason not to have one, other than the fact that it's a cross-namespace redirect?Picaroon 22:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I already added the redirect before I came here; hope that's okay. There's also some confusion in the talk pages for these pages (which are about talk pages). Misplaced Pages talk:Talk page redirects to Misplaced Pages talk:Talk pages, while Misplaced Pages:Talk pages redirects to Misplaced Pages:Talk page. The plurality of the project-page and the talk-page-for-the-project-page should probabbly agree. —DragonHawk (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that so quickly! —DragonHawk (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Protection on Anti-Zionism page

Is this necessary? At what point will it be removed? I left a comment for you on the talk page. Thanks, Mackan79 15:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)