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  • Add a few small screenshots to illustrate the plot.
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Legacy

The whole Legacy section is leftist gibberish and a good example of the POV problem that plagues Misplaced Pages. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:98A:503:1C20:89C1:A2AA:1650:8EE6 (talk) 23:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

You can have your own opinions but you can't have your own facts. The fact is it happened, many leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film made comparisons between this film and Trump and this was all reported in reputable publications. Take a look at Air Force One (film) and enjoy the Trump references in that article instead. -- 109.76.198.1 (talk) 04:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
So yes, it is a "fact" that some Hollywood people and leftist commentators have political opinions. This is a common journalistic technique in use today—reporting someone's political narrative (i.e., opinion) and claiming it as a fact in the sense that the person actually said it. Is it really surprising or notable that leftist commentators and the director and writer of the film (i.e., Hollywood types) made comparisons between this film and Trump? I don't think so. IMHO, the Legacy section is merely promoting a political narrative that Trump and his supporters are idiots, and I don't think the section is appropriate for this Misplaced Pages article. —hulmem (talk) 12:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
It received substantial coverage and was picked up by various publications which Misplaced Pages considers notable. There are more than enough reasons to justify it being there.
The section even includes a commentator who took the point and chastised leftists for being so simplistic about it. You can criticize the comparison but when various commentators including the filmmakers have made such comparisons you can't ignore it or exclude it.
Perhaps the section title "Legacy" sounds too serious but it is not meant to be and that section title is used across various film articles (other potential section titles like "Influence" end up not sounding serious enough)
There's room for improvement and I'd prefer if the section had other references, and think the film was mentioned in politics in other contexts too, but unfortunately I haven't found sources that might allow me to broaden the scope of the section. -- 109.79.82.182 (talk) 22:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I do agree that it is leftist gibberish because the articles mentioned come from leftist sources. However, since the advent of Obama, people on the right have been using Idiocracy in their opinions for years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabinal17 (talk • contribs) 11:01, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Reality has a well known liberal bias. More attempts to vandalize the Legacy section from someone acting a lot like a hurt little snowflake. If there are reliable sources offering other perspectives or analysis of I'd love to add them to the article too. There's simply no good reason to ignore this widely reported perspective on the film, a view that was shared by the writer and director of the film. -- 109.76.147.33 (talk) 17:06, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Film intro in the plot?

It's arguable a synopsys of the first 5 minutes of the film should go into the Plot section. While they don't form part of the main story arc, they set the background for rest of the film, and without this the conclusion makes less sense. A potential paragraph is below that, if consensus is found, could go into the article mutatis mutandis. Viewing the film itself will show that there is no analysis, evaluation, interpretation or synthesis here, and we should continue to respect WP:Primary. Chumpih. (talk) 05:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Oppose: I don't see how this is necessary to describe the primary thrust of the plot. DonIago (talk) 06:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Support: It's a memorable part of the film. It sets the trajectory from the contemporary society to the future world where the bulk of the film occurs. Without this context the rest of the plot makes less sense. The theme of this intro is dysgenics, and 'different types of people'. These themes may be unpleasant, and it is because of this that there should be straightforward summary so readers can understand what the debate is about. Indeed, some of the points elsewhere in the article already reference these themes, which are writ large during the intro. This part of the film is significant. The writers and director felt the inclusion was worthy. Despite the constrained budget, the producers of the film spent money on this part . It should be included in the plot. Chumpih. (talk) 10:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

potential paragraph

Human evolution is at a turning-point. Natural selection was no longer rewarding the usual traits of strength or intelligence, and instead was dumbing-down, rewarding those who reproduced the most. A case study: Trevor and Carol (IQ 138 and IQ 141 respectively) remain upbeat while at first delaying, then later struggling and failing to procreate. By contrast, Clevon (IQ 84) cheats on his wife Trish (mother to their several children) with the neighbour Britrney, and later Mackenzie, fathering more children. Even an accident involving a jet ski, an iron gate and his crotch didn't curtail Clevon's reproductive function. Clevon's son, Clevon Jr. (IQ 78) had success on the football pitch and with his female fans, leading to yet more children. Meanwhile Trevor apparently dies of a heart attack in the course of producing sperm for an artificial insemination. Carol's hopes for motherhood seem desperate. However Clevon, through a complicated family tree, was father or grandfather to dozens then hundreds as shown.

WP:FILMPLOT recommends 400-700 words. As such there is no room to include a long preamble like this, at least not in the plot section. -- 109.76.129.179 (talk) 05:36, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

How does this article NOT reference "The Marching Morons"

Seriously - The Marching Morons wiki specifically mentions Idiocracy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.106.73 (talk • contribs)

WP:SOFIXIT? But notably, the part of the TMM article that mentions this film has no references, and I've tagged it accordingly. DonIago (talk) 19:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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