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Wolfsangel or Idea of a Nation

What is this WikiProject's opinion on the naming of a symbol used in several far-right Ukrainian political groups' logos? Is the symbol seen at eg. Azov Brigade or Social-National Party of Ukraine a Wolfsangel or a similar but unrelated symbol named "Idea of a Nation"? This has been the topic of dozens of disputes and edit wars, and I think at this point there should be a real consensus about this.

The resemblance is obvious, and foreign sources like The Telegraph say it's a Wolfsangel. It has also been used as a symbol by unquestionably neo-Nazi groups like Aryan Nations. On the other hand, the Azov brigade itself says it's simply a monogram created by putting the letters I and N together.

Andreas Umland has said the Wolfsangel itself is not considered a fascist symbol in Ukraine. If so, is it still considered distinct from the NI-symbol used by the Azov brigade and such? And if they are considered separate symbols, do they still have the same connotation? Should the Misplaced Pages articles that include the symbol(s) be changed to reflect this cultural difference? This is not something I know much about, so I decided to ask here before starting an RfC. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 09:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I suggest you discuss specific potentially controversial changes to article text where you intend to make them. Trying to create an official Wiki consensus on a controversial topic could lead to a lot of WP:NOTCHAT and very little progress in building the encyclopedia.  —Michael Z. 16:34, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

By the way, the topic falls under WP:GS/RUSUKR, and non-extended-confirmed users are not permitted to make edits in articles or discussions on it, with a few exceptions.  —Michael Z. 16:37, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

I posted here and not in an article talk because the issue is relevant to several different articles. What do you mean by WP:NOTCHAT, if I may ask? Misplaced Pages has discussions like this all the time, right?

Anyway, I won't discuss the Wolfsangel thing anymore. Thanks for alerting me to the GS. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 10:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

I meant that this could launch a huge, wide-ranging discussion that consumes a lot of energy and generates a lot of heat, but doesn’t necessarily lead directly to any improvement in articles’ text. Already there’s a single comment below that addresses the naming of all similar symbols in the full context of history rather than even in the scope of the articles you mentioned, and gets us no closer to any specific text changes. Even if the scope is several articles, better to quote the text from them that would be affected, than to ask for the extremely broad and open “this WikiProject's opinion on the naming of a symbol.”  —Michael Z. 19:53, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

All reliable sources are calling it Wolfsangel, pointing out obvious WW2 and Nazi connotations, the "Idea of Nation" version emerged much later, and it's accepted basically only by the sources related to Azov Marcelus (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Are you implying Andreas Umland is "related to Azov"? Because I'm pretty sure WP:BLP applies to talk pages too. TylerBurden (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Post-Soviet transition in Ukraine#Requested move 19 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Post-Soviet transition in Ukraine#Requested move 19 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 06:51, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:First Battle of Lyman#Requested move 28 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:First Battle of Lyman#Requested move 28 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:01, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

FoP in Ukraine and the war

I was just thinking that while Russia is trying to destroy Ukrainian culture etc. through military means, we help due to combination of meta:copyright paranoia and bad Ukrainian law (no freedom of panorama). See commons:Category:Ukrainian FOP cases. I know Ukrainian gov't is busy, well, fightign for survival and such, but maybe it is also good time to try to encourage them to change this law so we can help preserve Ukrainian cultural heritage? Is there anyone here who could reach out to Ukranian Wikimedia chapter and suggest this may be time to do this? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

WM Ukraine is aware of this and, as far as I know, they think it is not possible at the moment. Ymblanter (talk) 12:31, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Wagner Line#Requested move 31 August 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wagner Line#Requested move 31 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ❯❯❯ Raydann 16:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Input needed at Talk:Ukrainian language#Little Russian language

There is currently a dispute about whether verifiable references to Ivan Kotliarevsky, Ivan Vahylevych, Pylyp Morachevskyi (and possibly others) calling the language Little Russian before the 1860s should be included in the article, or excluded. Crash48 (talk) 16:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon

Hello WikiProject Ukraine:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

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