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Thanks for the heads up. Looks like I created the new category a week after the CfD discussion began; were I aware of the discussion I would have waited to see its outcome. I don't have time at this very moment to read through all the comments there, but it seems as though part of the debate centers around the question of whether 'political prisoner' is a valid concept. Is that more or less your reading of it? If so, that's...interesting. Homunculus (duihua) 20:54, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I've read a bit more carefully now. I think there are valid concerns with the categories, but they don't outweigh their utility, in my view. I've replied. Homunculus (duihua) 21:39, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
There is a general trend to remove helpful categories that are related to history and politics, including a lot of cats on terrorism-related subjects and anything that can be defined as "victims of political repression" (the latter was referred to as "victimology" during CfD discussion). May be this is because of US-centered views of contributors who work with the categories. For example, defining person as a "terrorist" is something controversial in modern-day US politics. After reading something like this, one can conclude that there is no such thing as terrorism because no one knows what terrorism is. See my comment here. You understood it correctly: these contributors believe that there is no such thing as political prisoner. My very best wishes (talk) 01:44, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
That's an interesting parallel, but it complicates the issue for me. I wouldn't feel comfortable with 'terrorist' as a category; it seems to be incompatible with WP:LABEL, and possibly WP:BLPCRIME (terrorism generally being regarded as a crime, but one where habeas corpus often doesn't apply. My understanding is that we're not suppose to describe people as criminals unless they have been so convicted). Moreover it's a pejorative and often politically charged term that can be applied extremely broadly. China, for instance, calls Tibetans who try to go to India without permission 'terrorists.' I think we need to be much more conservative when applying negatively charged labels like this, especially to living persons. Homunculus (duihua) 02:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I think this is relatively simple, even in the most controversial of controversial cases. We have already categories "terrorism by country". Let's take any country, such as Category:Terrorism in Indonesia. It includes a number of pages about notable terrorism acts in the country. There are no doubts that each of them is actually a terrorism act. Exclude all disputable cases, like US bombing of Japan during war time. Find people who actually did each terrorism act (usually they are convicted or at large) and include them in the corresponding category "terrorist by country". This way one can avoid marking people who are actually not terrorists (your example). My very best wishes (talk) 03:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I see. Well, the battleground has lost its charms for me (not that it ever really had any). Lately I've enjoyed writing about deceased international legal scholars. I've developed a real fondness for this guy, who seems like a real rule-bound academic, with maybe a touch of pedantry. I feel I can relate to him a little, and best of all, no one comes along to engage in mass section blanking on pages like this ;) Homunculus (duihua) 07:04, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
You did excellent work with this article. He looks to me as a very interesting man. So, he said in 1935 that "Nobody except perhaps Russia would gain from our victory in such a war". True. And as we know, Stalin probably already planned to gain from this war during this time or may be a few years later. And he actually gained his new communist empire, including Eastern Europe, North Korea, and China, from the war see this old version. But that was mostly deleted by Russian political partisans here. My very best wishes (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
I really ought to devote more time to Soviet history. It was one of my first loves, you know, and helped disabuse me of utopian fantasies. But China ultimately proved far too interesting. Homunculus (duihua) 19:37, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
Good job. I started Ronald Macleay, red linked within in, you might find more on him. I noticed a lot of bare google book URLs. Just paste them into here and it'll draw them up for you, just click last name to reverse author names to surname first♦ Dr. Blofeld17:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
Looks like a good start. I'll take a closer look in a few days. I love MacMurray's comment about Macleay, though evidently he felt badly afterwards, as he struck through it in his final submission to the state department. Homunculus (duihua) 05:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Judicial system of the PRC
I was just looking at the talk page history for Talk:Judicial system of the People's Republic of China, and saw your (very old) comment. This is likely the longest article I've found that cites no references. It's strange how these barren deserts emerge on Misplaced Pages, and on top-importance articles no less. In any case, I'm thinking of having a crack at reordering the page. If you have an ongoing interest in the topic, please partake! Regards, Homunculus (duihua) 06:15, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Indeed! It looks like a lot of that was due to the wholesale copying, which has since been deleted. Now the article is needing expansion again, hopefully this time with a better balance of outside assessments of judicial independence, domestic perspectives, and good old basic facts. -- Beland (talk) 00:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Yea....this has been on my list for a long time now. I guess I'll try to revisit it soon. I might start with proposing an outline on the talk page and fleshing it out from there. We'll see. Homunculus (duihua) 05:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Liao Yiwu speech
Hello, I saw the speech live on German TV (www.daserste.de) this Sunday. Unfortunately no full text of the speech seems to be available online anywhere now - neither in audio or video nor in text form. I think I will be able to provide a source once Monday's newspaper are out in Germany. -- 78.53.147.5 (talk) 03:19, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
I see. In that case, I am going to remove the material for now. Misplaced Pages is quite strict about sourcing in biographies of living persons, as you can read about here. You are welcome to restore the material when a source is available (you can consult the article's history to see what you wrote before—everything is archived here). You may also want to familiarize yourself with WP:NPOV. Happy editing! Homunculus (duihua) 03:28, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm notifying you as I noticed your impressive work on the GA Quality article, Weiquan movement. If you're interested, here are some easy things you can do:
Seems like a worthwhile initiative. I've started adding project banners to a few pages that would fall under the purview of this project. Homunculus (duihua) 22:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Back mid-November? That seems to coincide with the expected concluding time of a certain political party's largest confab... not that there would be any connection. TheSoundAndTheFury (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm not totally offline till mid-November. Just dealing with some demanding writing deadlines and such. Come to think of it, one of those deadlines is related to the congress... ;) Homunculus (duihua) 20:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Category:Political prisoners and detainees of China
Dear Homunculus, Please, if you have time, take a look at the artice on Xi Mingze I just created. I just want thoughts on the article, whether positive or negetive, from a long time China hand. I am still trying to add content about the DPRK and China but it is an uphill struggle. Please edit, suggest, or critque. :) Geraldshields11 (talk) 17:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello again Hom, this is Scott, the Gutter oil guy. Gre's have tired me out and I'm ready to get back to wiki for a bit.
Any thing of importance that I can assist with or do the leg work on? Let me know 67.183.192.63 (talk) 09:14, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Hey Scott, glad you're back. I think I left you a note a while ago asking if you'd be interested in helping with an article I created on the Shifang protest in China. That one is in reasonably good shape now, but it could still be expanded. I also started work on the related Qidong protest, and it needs lots of work. Let me know if you're interested. I may think of other things down the line. Cheers, Homunculus (duihua) 01:34, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
By the way, how did you like the GREs? I hear they've changed the format since I took them. And have you decided which programs to apply to? Homunculus (duihua) 02:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
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That was a mistake, hence the self-revert. In light of our earlier exchange, when I saw your name pop up on my watchlist today I decided to check in and see what you were working on. I think I must have accidentally hit "rollback" when perusing the article history, and didn't even notice until a while later. I've concluded that rollback rights don't get along with checking wikipedia on small touch screens—too much room for error. Anyway, that's not to say I agreed or disagreed with your edits. If you scroll up on this page, you will learn why I no longer contribute to that topic. You may find it enlightening. Homunculus (duihua) 01:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Wow. That's kind of outrageous. I mean the arbitration, not that you were following my contributions or anything ;) Can you do anything about it? TheBlueCanoe13:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Not sure what you mean by "do anything about it." What I've done is write articles in other areas of interest, and regain a more normal work/life/Wikipedia balance. I hope you can appreciate why I will not discuss it further here. You're welcome to email me if you really want to. Good luck. Homunculus (duihua) 19:16, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Homunculus, I started the review for Shifang protest. This looks excellent to me; I've only suggested one small addition to the lead. You can see details on the review page. Thanks for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:39, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
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I've forgotten how to use Misplaced Pages over the years so give me a little time to reacquaint myself. Not sure if you heard about my problems I had on Wiki about 3 years ago but if so I'm better now and ready to start working again. Hint-A beer we had together (from the middle place that uses little sticks) :-)Hope to work together with you again, it was fun and so much more now to work on, I think Africa is still way undercovered1Johns1945 (talk) 20:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
I see you've been busy. What projects are currently on the docket and need help? I need to return to things slow so helping a bit with others would suit me well. Let me know. Take care hom. I can't sign <dounai> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.93.246 (talk) 07:10, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey Scott, good to hear from you again! I haven't been very active on Misplaced Pages these days either; several months ago I moved to a new country for a job opportunity, got busy, and then inertia set in. I think the last time I reached out to you I was working on articles about NIMBY protests in China (eg. in Qidong and Shifang), and thought you might like to edit in that area. I'm also thinking to update/create some new pages on Chinese rights defenders like Cheng Hai, Li Chengpeng or Guo Feixiong, all of whom have been in the news lately. More broadly, I've found articles related to the Chinese environment to be underdeveloped, but it's a fascinating and important field. Do you have ideas for what you'd like to work on? If so, I'm happy to help. Maybe you can provide some motivation for me this time...Homunculus (duihua) 02:38, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good....I need to get my mind focused on something and occupied for certain reasons...I'm not working right now so I have lots of time. Wiki would be great for that. Can you help with the chinese articles assuming your chinese is much better than mine? I could do english and find articles on google books or whatever that is...I have interest in the blind lawyer, bo xi lai cover up, and I got an offer from a chinese student to help with the following
"信息管制 和 乞讨现象" but I don't know what those are...She or He seems really interested..and sounds like there in China. Their english level seems about intermediate. Let me know Hom...You seem very devoted...Just hope you arent in China when you're writing about all this :-) So don't tell me your location.
Let me know, Take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.93.246 (talk) 13:38, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
I also have interest in alot of other stuff but having been keeping up on my china news recently...So tell me what is hot right now and undercovered. I'm up for anything....China in Africa, South America anything....let me know meanwhile I've forgotten how to use wikipedia and all the functions and I lost my email account for this dounai account so I have to have a new one before I start or just use an IP. <dounai>. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.93.246 (talk) 13:45, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to be so frequent in questions...Would you be able or willing to translate some of the articles of the protest movements into Chinese so they can actually see whats going on? Many can't read english. I didn't know all of these protests for environmental things were happening and I'm very interested and I think its a start of broad stirring of the population and could be a sign of very monumental things coming. So I want to help on this issue because I love the chinese people (not gov or big business) and would like to offer a hand to repay the hospitality and warmth they gave me when I was there for over 4 years of my life. This might sound kind of mushy and idealistic but it's how I feel. I will contact the person that asked to colloborate with me and see what they want to do. Ok Hom, I'll leave you alone now...Take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.93.246 (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Where to start...I worked on the Chen Guangcheng article several months ago, and it was one of the more positive collaborative experiences I've had. It's now in rather good shape, but further improvements are always welcome. I also worked lots on the Bo Xilai page, which was a decidedly less positive collaborative experience. Which cover-up are you referring to? The whole spectacle of the trial, or something more specific?
My passive Chinese skills are respectable--I can read and listen well enough--but I don't think I could do an adequate translation from Enlgish. I believe several of those articles are already on the Chinese wiki, in any case. Your sentiments about the Chinese people (and government) are shared here, by the way.
China in Africa would be an excellent and fascinating topic to expand on, and one I'd love to help with when I return from vacation. The economist has carried some fairly balanced pieces on that relationship that you may like to look into. I may not be too responsive for the next week or so, as my internet connectivity is limited, but I look forward to working with you. Homunculus (duihua) 16:07, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm referring to the likelihood that he might be more innocent than commonly thought and that he just ruffled the wrong high level feathers. Plus his trial only lasted several days! Plus he was attaining a cult of personality like Mao and had his sights set on the central politburo, right, to work. What if he brought his corruption fighting with him, at that level many officials are corrupt but so far untouchable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.49.95.52 (talk) 04:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Right. You might be interested in this article by Ai Weiwei on the Bo trial and what it says about the Communist Party today.. There's no doubt that Bo's trial was not fair; the way that evidence was collected, and the fact that the people testifying against him were probably doing so under duress, wouldn't hold up in a Western court of law. But there is also little doubt that evidence brought publicly against him was incomplete, and that his real transgressions—which could threaten the whole system and indict far more people if aired publicly—were kept from view. Bo was implicated in some horrific human rights abuses, but since those abuses are ongoing elsewhere, and since even higher-level authorities were involved, you'd never hear about about them the carefully stage-managed trial lest party unity and legitimacy be undermined. As for Bo's 'striking black' anti-corruption campaign, it seems to me that he was using this mainly as a pretext to take down his political opponents; he certainly did not provide fair trials either for those he accused (and then executed) on corruption charges. I don't think there was any risk that Bo would have be an advocate for openness and transparency had he risen to the Politburo Standing Committee, but there is a risk he would have destabilized the leadership transition and the power structure in other ways (ie. by consolidating too much power and influence for himself). Anyway, I'm getting caught up now, and will respond to your other notes later on today. Homunculus (duihua) 10:51, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello again...I was looking at "barefoot lawyer" and noticed it didn't have a chinese version! How can this be? Only arabic. So I
left messages for 8 native chinese translators who know very good english. Hopefully a few of them will respond then they can work
together. That is a very important article for a chinese person who is having their rights trampled and wants to learn about what recourse they have. So we're both not able to translate :-(. No problem. Is Chen the blind lawyer? Seems like he has a gag order as part of his deal to come here or he's afraid for his family still in china. Hom, anything you want to work on I'll help out (not the ancient text or anything) because I need to be occupied. I will gather the info and try to write it and I think I'm an easy guy to work with because I'm a beginner and have a fairly small ego. So maybe china in africa, they are super super busy there buying influence. Take care and have a good vacation, put on the sun tan lotion! Dounai99 (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
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I did wechat global censorship section while you were gone after seeing story on it. You have interest in cadmium rice in Guangdong or electronic recycling world capital also located in guang? I got bad virus from bad Misplaced Pages link on suichang county page that had cadmium blurb. Cost 200 to fix it and had to wipe disk! So be careful on these controv topics. Talk later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dounai99 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
The cadmium rice story is a good one to pursue, and relates back to the topic of food safety. I'm not sure it's related to the electronic recycling in Guangdong province (although that's also a topic that probably merits more coverage here, and not just in the Chinese context), since I think the rice mostly came from Hunan. The article Food safety in China might be one you'd like to help develop more. There's also a page Food safety incidents in China, though it's kind of a mess and could benefit from an overhaul. But yes, watch out for bad links. I'm really sorry to hear you encountered that problem.
As for lawyers, yes, Chen is the blind lawyer. I encountered another editor a little while ago who had an apparent interest in Chinese human rights lawyers, and maybe you could suggest to him that he work on a translation of barefoot lawyers (see User:Hanteng). If you decide to work on the China/Africa article, let me know—I'd be happy to pitch in where I can.Homunculus (duihua) 00:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello Hom, just noticed you got back...Sorry for switching back and forth so much on my topics there's
just so much to cover and my condition causes me to not able to concentrate on one thing; you can guess
as to what it is. The electronic waste one is already covered but cadmium rice isn't so I think I'll take
that on in addition to the Africa one. I really like the Africa one and think teamwork would be good for it.
I didn't know you wrote the barefoot article before I looked for a translator. It was by chance and then
afterword I saw on your page that you wrote it! For Africa, I was thinking of having the general summary and then going
country by country with its own section. Does that sound good? You were right on the Economist having a
truckload of articles about it. What are your ideas for the Africa article? Country by country or something else.
I will try to calm down from now on because I can get a little manic if you know what I mean.
I will start with Zambia because I met a nice woman from there a while back :-) Take care.71.49.95.52 (talk) 12:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
I wrote the barefoot lawyers page, and have also had a hand in most other articles on Chinese human rights lawyers (Weiquan movement, and most of the individuals listed under Category:Weiquan movement). It's a niche I got into a while ago, and just found that when I didn't know what else to work on, it was a good topic I could default to and chip away at.
For Africa, you can start by working on improving the existing articles dealing with bilateral relationships, though I hope you'll also find time to work on the Africa-China relations page. There is good material there, but it doesn't really capture the contemporary dynamics too well. Homunculus (duihua) 22:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
I see you have not been editing for a while. The wiki-kitten misses you :) Cheers,
Thanks for the reminder. I fell out of the habit of editing and got busy with other writing projects. One of these days I'll rediscover my motivation. Hope you're well. Homunculus (duihua) 18:20, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
== Hello again
I'm back...This is the guy that created the article about the American beer that went overseas to find new life and the city in the south of a country that I really liked and which I lived in. Sorry to be so private I'm just trying to be careful not to run afoul of any government. Sorry for being so sketchy before but was going through some rough times. I'm a lot better now and hope to get back in the groove of things and relearn how to edit the Wiki pages. My language skills have also improved quite a bit but still not good enough to translate anything. I really enjoyed collaborating with you before and really appreciated your help and mentor-ship. Hope we can continue where we left off. Notgoingtotellyou (talk) 21:28, 23 December 2015 (UTC)==
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Just noticed you haven't been active for 2 years. You must have moved to the country of censorship? Or just got sick of the drama on the site? You were the only friendly person I met one the site so it won't be the same without you. Come back!! :-)Notgoingtotellyou (talk) 21:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)==
Thanks for the note Scott. I moved to a new country, yes, but it's not censorship that's kept me from editing. Just fell out of the habit when I got busy. I've been meaning to come back and resume editing for some time—maybe a good new year's resolution? Homunculus (duihua) 21:47, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
Hi hom how you been it's been at least 2 years!! Hope your in a safe country because they've got a large target on my head for some reason and they're scooping up anyone related to me, not literally though. Would you like to collaborate on an article or two in the coming week/s. I was thinking about the Chinese in Nigeria one or nig China relations. I have enough material to expand them more than 20 fold😉. Let me know and take care. Notgoingtotellyou (talk) 21:59, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
On the "seek truth from facts " page you say I was sure that Mao first said this. Am I wrong? and of course you would have been wrong.
I was a bit surprised, since the article itself goes into some detail about exactly why and how you would have been wrong. Yet you seem to be a capable and sensible person. Shouldn't you perhaps remove the query, which makes you look careless?
Your overall oeuvre is impressive, indeed intimidating, and I look forward to learning from it from time to time.
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How have you been professor? This is dounai from many years ago we worked on pbr and gutter oil forgot what else. Would you like to begin work again, I’m unemployed still but in school so have plenty of time to work. Let me know what you’re interested in and if your still in the land of dragons. Take care 104.192.162.217 (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
