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Watchlist

Hi COFS , Welcome to WP! Jpierreg 03:30, 15 February 2007 (GMT)

Thanks! COFS 06:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject updates

• I have done some updating to the WP:SCN, added some new articles, added a "to do" list to the top of the project, and fixed up some categories and assessment stuff. I suggest we should all pick one article at a time, or at most two, to work on bringing up to Featured Article status. You could give input on the project's talk page... Smee 21:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC).
  • Also, a Userbox for project members, {{User Scientology project}} Smee 21:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

Quentin Hubbard

It's widely sourced that Quentin is gay. As you are a Scientologist yourself, I can't help but see your motivations and would like to ask your from refraining in removing the LGBT people category from this article as it belongs there just as much as say, Rock Hudson's article. It's fact, not allegation. ~Zythe 22:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

What has gay to do with me being a Scientologist? And as for "facts" in the article, I invite you to familiarize with WP:ATTRIB or WP:RS and have a look at WP:BIAS. COFS 21:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm well aware of all those. And I'm not biased, I just think it's sourced very heavily. Also, your comment on my talk page was very rude, but nevermind.~Zythe 16:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of sources on Inside Scientology

Hi,

I can't help but notice you removed "ref overkill" from this article. There is no wiki policy regarding "too many references", in fact, the feeling generally is "the more the merrier!". Furthermore, as you quite openly self-identify as a Scientologist, and given the fact that most of your edits revolve around the CoS in some way, the removal of such links could be easily interpreted as a conflict of interest.

I don't want to discourage you from working on these articles, but please keep Wiki policies like NPOV in mind.

Thanks!

Lankiveil 12:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, if you would go into the actual changes you would see that I removed doubles and triples of the same source text and left the ones which were from reliable sources while the others were not. If you criticize me for applying Misplaced Pages Policy in uncluttering articles and evaluate at the same time my religious affiliation I cannot help but reminding you that you are getting close to violate Misplaced Pages Policy geared to prevent discrimination on here. I am interested in learning Misplaced Pages Policy and for sure I would not claim that I am not in error here and there. But unless you are able to point out the exact violation please refrain yourself from personal comments. Thanks, COFS 21:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of navigational boxes

• Please discuss on the talk page of {{ScientologySeries}}, instead of summarily removing navigational boxes without discussion. Some people have worked really hard on these. Thanks. Smee 04:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

I thought there was a consensus that the bottom box is being used?! I missed the discussion that time but would have supported it. "Further reading" is always at the bottom or end of articles. The color is still a problem but that is a different discussion. COFS 04:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Please revert your mass removal of the box that other users have worked hard on, and instead discuss at Template talk:ScientologySeries. Thanks. Smee 04:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

• COFS, I am not comfortable at this point in time to converse via email. Please instead take all of your concerns to the discussion page, Template talk:ScientologySeries. I will respect the unwritten rule, and not mention directly what you wrote in the email, but I highly suggest you bring all of those points to the talk page. Thank you. Smee 05:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry, I am not comfortable to go over this with everybody. COFS 04:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I take it that means you do not wish for me to reveal what was said? By default, without your say, I will not. Yours, Smee 06:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Tks. COFS 03:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Your mass removal of links to {{tl:ScientologySeries}} and to sites that you don't agree with must stop. You are misinterpreting policy on NPOV -- it doesn't mean "I get to remove whatever I disagree with". Cleduc 18:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand, but you are mistaken. The site I remove is officially an anti-Scientology site which keeps Black lists of Scientologists. It is run by Kristi Wachter (as a private enterprise) whose main activity in regards to Scientology is to picket in front of Scientology members and yell at them. If this is not biased/slanted in the direction of unreliable behavior and thus totally violating WP:NPOV, WP:BIAS and WP:PG (Pt. 5), there is no hope for Misplaced Pages to ever become a resource of knowledge. It is good for giggles right now but if the Wachter's and Lerma's hateful views on a subject are presented as "RS", Misplaced Pages is not RS anymore itself. COFS 18:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

As for the boxes, I am removing double entries here. There is a box at the bottom of the article and one at the side of it, both with identical content. One must go and in the tradition of good old books I prefer an index at the end of an article and not in the middle of it. It looks trashy and degrades the articles., especially the stub/short ones. COFS 18:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Last comment here: WP:EL says under the heading of links to be avoided: "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." Wachter is far from being an authority and it is undoubtedly a private website. If such crap link is passed, the only consequence would be to include pro-Scientology links to personal blogs and private websites of Scientologists. There are thousands of them on the Internet. Is that what you would prefer? Misplaced Pages is trashed with links to biased and hateful sites which only sometimes come along with a "neutral" cloaking. So, think it over and let me know. COFS 18:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Your removal of links

Please stop going through articles deleting links while using plainly bogus edit summaries (e.g. "vandalism removed"). There may be an issue with whether the links are needed, but you should discuss this with other editors rather than going on a controversial link-deleting spree. -- ChrisO 18:45, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I noticed. And send you an email as requested. Appreciated that you are caring. But I also notice that you picked up the ONE different edit summary (of 51 total) to criticize me. How about turning REALLY neutral? COFS 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Mass-deleting links from controversial articles without discussing tends to upset people. You have a better chance of convincing people that those links need to come out if, you know, you actually discuss the matter with them first. I'm sympathetic to your concerns, but let's not do this in a way that will just get people annoyed with you. -- ChrisO 18:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Got your point. This is going to take aaages! But fine. I have to go to work now, will be back some time tonight. So long, lad. COFS 18:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I'll unblock you in the meantime. -- ChrisO 18:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Catherine Bell

Hi! You removed the source for Catherine Bell's status in scientology. Your reasoning makes sense, but can you provide a reliable source for the date of her entry into Scientology and her status as a Clear? If you'd like to dicuss this further, please do so on the talk page for the Catherine Bell article. Enuja 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

She is not clear, as far as I know. Why don't you ask her. Or google for her, she is quite active as a Scientologist. COFS 03:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ask for Source 139 in your nearest org. You'll notice that she is indeed clear. "as far as I know" is not really a source - it is very likely that for whatever reason, she didn't contact you when she went clear to tell you these "good news". --Tilman 18:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Removals

Please see User talk:ChrisO#COFS removal of non-RS, POV, Scientologist "outing site" and my talk. --Justanother 21:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:NPA warning

This comment in the edit summary: you must be on drugs or you did not read the book is uncalled for. Please respect WP:NPA. --Tilman 18:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

In the US this is a pretty normal saying. Sorry, I forgot for a moment that you are coming from this country where the Nazis ruled not long ago. COFS 18:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

And that statement you just made is also a highly inappropriate personal attack. Comment on content, not contributors. Thanks. Smee 18:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Spreading hate sites is not debatable content. It falls back on the "contributor" and his motives. And yours as well. What agenda are you running here? COFS 18:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)